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Johan said:
Why is the Haruka one only 48-52 (G).

Everyone please make sure they go and vote that psychotic piece of shit guilty every day. You're allowed to vote more than once. Please this should be like 90-10.

iShipMyFriends said:

I'd say this is actually pretty good. It stayed at almost a perfect 50/50 until the EP released, with the largest point difference being like 49.98/50.02 once it stabilized a few days after the video dropped. It looks like the main problem was the number of people who thought he either deserved to be voted Innocent based on the video alone, or that voting him Guilty would have negative consequences—and then the voice drama made them change their minds completely. I honestly think it's extremely unlikely that he's going to end up being judged Innocent at this point, seeing as Guilty has had the lead the entire time since the voice drama dropped.

That said, keep voting. I've seen some people say that it would be smart to keep him Innocent to separate him from Muu (as she's going to end up Guilty without a doubt), but it's pretty obvious that reaffirming his ideas would be an extremely bad idea at this point. I really don't understand how it took this long for the voting to shift in favor of Guilty lol

Johan said:
we should be voting based on guilt or innocence.

Johan said:
I think the bar for "guilty" needs to be very high and anything short of seeing a body on screen isn't going to cut it for me.

iShipMyFriends said:

Sorry if I'm reading you wrong here, but just to make sure that I'm not misunderstanding anything: are you voting based on whether or not you think they've killed someone, or on whether or not you can forgive the action? Because it kind of sounds like the former (especially if you need to see a body). I don't really understand why the options were translated to "Innocent" and "Guilty" in the first place (it's originally "Forgive" and "Don't forgive" in Japanese), since I've seen a number of people misunderstand and really try to figure out who killed someone and who didn't. Just to be clear, they've all killed someone in some way (obviously I don't think of abortion as murder, but I assume that was included because some people do), and you're just supposed to decide whether or not you can forgive them.

The thing with Haruka is that he's clearly mentally unstable and in need of help rather than punishment; the problem that comes with S2 is that he now thinks that he's in the right for having murdered someone (which is a drastic change from S1 where he clearly felt guilty about it). There's also no doubt that this development is a direct consequence of him being manipulated by Muu rather than his own feelings. The situation around the current voting is similar to how a lot of people voted both Fuuta and Amane Guilty in the First Trial to force them to realize that they were in the wrong. On the other side are the people who stick to the Innocent verdict because they don't think he should be punished for something that only happened because he's mentally ill.

A lot of the people who voted Mikoto Innocent in the First Trial most likely thought the same thing with him and that he deserved to get help for his personality disorder (the rest of the people were for sure just thirsting for him), but I think almost everyone has come to agree that he's (almost) without a doubt just faking it. The results from his voting are most definitely based on that. Both he and Muu are currently being regarded as manipulative assholes who did their best to lie their way through the First Trial, so I can't see either of them getting out of being judged Guilty this time.

But yeah, I assume Haruka is going to end up being voted Guilty this time and Innocent in the final round.

Johan said:


This post gives me a headache lol. I'll respond later.

Vote guilty: Bad people

vote innocent: good people

vote based on the evidence , that simple. Only 3 guilties should have been haruka, muu, and the MPD guy.

I dont get what youre arguing here. But its annoying me. Maybe im in a bad mood, ill edit this later lol

What is this nonsense logic that "oh so and so needs help or doesnt need help" like no the MPD guy and Haruka are sick psychopathic pieces of shit who need to be prosecuted and executed.

iShipMyFriends said:

I've never been able to stay concise, so sorry in advance for the new headache you'll get from this post lol

Thing is, I don't understand what exactly you mean when you talk about "evidence" in this context. Evidence that they killed someone? Because that's all of them, in some way or other. Even if you don't think it's fair to vote someone Guilty if their crime is something like having pushed someone to suicide (as we can assume is the case with Fuuta), there's still Amane and Kotoko, right? Kotoko is especially clear. She beat the shit out of a guy and he died as a result. You don't actually see Amane kill anyone in her video, but we do know that her actions resulted in someone dying, and I think it's pretty clear from her video that it was 100% on purpose. She's also depicted beating someone with a pole in Undercover, so...

I also don't like the thought that a mentally ill person should be punished the same way a healthy person would if that illness is the sole reason for their crime. I don't think Haruka is evil. He doesn't seem fully conscious of what's going on around him at times, and I highly doubt he would have killed someone if he had gotten treated in time. Mikoto is different in that he's most likely not sick at all, and is only pretending to be to use that as an excuse.

Johan said:
Haruka and Mikoto are both deranged psychopaths, who consciously killed and had the mens rea to kill.

Johan said:
Pushing someone to suicide as is the case of Fuuta isn't murder. If anything i relate heavily to him, because he was targeting bad people and exposing what they were doing.

Johan said:
If fuuta is guilty of anything it sure as hell isn't murder, and he sure as hell didn't have the mens rea even for that person to kill himself.

Johan said:
Ok Kotoko actually killed someone, but it is legally justifiable.

Johan said:
b) That young girl was her from the past, and she was seeking revenge

Johan said:
The Amane situation is extremely vague and ambiguous.

Johan said:
We never directly see her kill anyone, and there's evidence to suggest she was abused and caught up in some kind of cult.

Johan said:
I'm not going to condemn a child as "guilty" without some type of facts and evidence.

Johan said:
But of the 3 Muu is shown to be a 1 time offender, and directly targeted her bully.

Johan said:
Haruka: Deserves Death Penalty
Yuno: Should have never been in prison
Fuuta: Innocent, maybe some type of probation or something at worst.
Muu: 2ndt degree murder; 1 time offender. - 20-25 years in prison
Shidou: Need more evidence exactly what was happening. The 2 varying leading theories are wildly different in guilty/innocence and culpability. Innocent pending further developments.
Mahiru: Also should be innocent. Maybe not the type of girl I would date (ok maybe it is >////>) But for real we don't know exactly what she did. Innocent pending further developments.
Kazui: I really want to believe in Kazui. Innocent for - now but there still could be more to his story? Awaiting future developments
Amane: Lean Innocent. Need more developments.
Mikoto: Deserves Death Penalty
Kotoko: Justified killing. Completely innocent.

iShipMyFriends said:
Haruka was hardly conscious of what was going on at all. He never had the intent to actually commit a crime. If anything, he most likely felt threatened due to his mental state and ended up murdering her to "defend" himself. From an outside perspective, it's obvious that his life was never in danger, but his intense fear of abandonment made him snap.

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A crucial part of his arc is how he stopped caring about the justice in it. As the video progresses, it becomes increasingly more obvious that it's about his own ego and hero complex rather than actually doing what's right. We don't know what he even accused that person of, and that in itself says a lot about how it didn't really matter to him. Fuuta's goal was to feel powerful, not to seek justice or whatever. Sure, he started off in the right, but he ended up completely misguided as things progressed.

Also, you relate to him? I'm sorry, but cyberbullying is just...oof. Calling out people when they're obviously in the wrong is understandable, but Fuuta passed that point very early on.

You're right in that he didn't directly murder anyone, but his actions caused a suicide. He's regarded as a murderer because of how the program works, but I obviously wouldn't define him as one. The thing is that he still had the leading role in a person's death, and that puts the blame on him. He may not be a murderer, but he sure as hell deserves to carry some of the guilt. It's not like he couldn't just, y'know, stop.

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Dunno if killing for revenge is "legally justifiable" but ok.

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Literally no.
Yes to the cult stuff. There's no doubt about that part.
Her whole video is presented in metaphors, so obviously we don't actually see her murder anyone. There's enough material to assume that she did directly murder someone, though, with very little doubt.

• Her magical girl transformation shows her accepting her role in the cult—which naturally includes condemning the cat she's shown helping earlier on (which is exactly what she was punished for). All of the characters obviously represent real people, so this cat is without doubt an actual person.
  
• The same cat is missing when the credits roll, despite the other normal animals being present. Something has clearly happened to them, and I doubt it's a coincidence that they're the one to suddenly disappear.
  
  

  Omajinai / Magic
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• She's shown beating Es with a pole in Undercover. Obviously not all of the prisoners are depicted doing exactly what they did to cause each death, but Amane's is pretty clear. The other ones who are shown being equally direct (Muu, Mikoto, Kotoko) committed their respective murders in the ways depicted in Undercover in their own videos. It's pretty safe to assume that Amane beat her victim to death with a pole.
  
  

  Undercover
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• Bonus thing: the magic staff she passes judgment with most likely symbolizes the pole she killed her victim with.

There's tons of evidence. I don't see how else you're interpreting this. It's not like it's that vague, either. Sure, it's not super obvious at first glance, but I don't get how else you'd interpret this after actually looking at the facts. Or do you think she just condemned the cat to make up for her "sin" of helping them and someone else killed them because of that? I find that incredibly hard to believe. I don't think they'd put a very clear image of her beating someone with a pole in Undercover just because they could. Almost every single person who voted her Guilty in the first round did so to make her realize that she's in the wrong. She's still brainwashed, and the current goal is to break through that brainwashing and make her face that what she did was wrong. Very few people think she's actually to be blamed for what happened; she just has to accept that the cult was wrong and she's going to be voted Innocent in the Final Trial.

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Wrong. The girl she killed is never actually shown bullying her. The three girls laughing at her and filming her while she's inside the hourglass are her bullies (img 1). We only see two of them (img 2), but we know for a fact that there are three of them. We later see her phone screen when it's open to their group chat, which shows that there are 4 people in their group (img 3). The third girl's profile picture is also visible. Next we see all 4 of them in a group photo together (img 4). The girls in the picture match up with the girls making fun of her and the two girls whose faces you can see in the chat, so we know that her bullies are the three in this group. And here's the thing: the girl Muu kills doesn't look like any of them (compare img 5 to img 4). It's true that she ignores the bullying and just passes right by, but we know that she's not one of the bullies. The fact that she's the only one other than Muu whose face is shown makes it very likely that they're connected in some way, but it's impossible to know what kind of relationship they have to each other yet. We just know that she wasn't one of the girls bullying Muu.

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Oh geez...

• Haruka: Innocent. He's too ill to carry the blame of his crime. He should get some sort of punishment, but he mainly needs help.
  
• Yuno: Innocent. Obviously.
  
• Fuuta: Innocent. He's guilty of the crime, but I'll forgive him if he shows that he regrets it. His "murder" is far from the most serious, and I think he could grow from this.
  
• Muu: Guilty. Manipulative piece of shit.
  
• Shidou: Too vague. I'm leaning towards Innocent, but there's far from enough information. I've got theories for both sides.
  
• Mahiru: Guilty. This is mostly based on her behavior inside the program rather than the nature of the crime, though. Side note: she's giving yandere vibes and I just don't like her. She seems icky.
  
• Kazui: Too vague. I want to believe Innocent, but he's giving off some odd vibes.
  
• Amane: Innocent. She got manipulated into committing the crime by a cult. She's fine as long as she admits she's wrong. I won't hesitate to vote Guilty if she insists she's right in this round as well, though.
  
• Mikoto: Guilty, obviously. He's for sure faking his disorder to avoid the consequences of his crime. Might fuck around and vote Innocent because he's hot and voiced by a guy I like (๑˘︶˘๑)
  
• Kotoko: Guilty. The guy she killed obviously deserved it. Her behavior inside MILGRAM is seriously bad, though, so reaffirming her ideas would be a shitty idea. Her original target had it coming, but she's clearly a bad person.

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And finally, I find it odd that you said that you vote based on who's "good" and who's "bad," but then you only actually base your judgment on their actual crimes. One crucial thing that I didn't actually ask before now: do you only watch the videos or do you listen to the voice dramas, etc.? Because I don't see you getting a feel for any of them through only their music videos.

Johan said:
Whatever mental illness, neglect, abandonment issues Haruka has is the furthest thing possible as an excuse or justification to mass slaughter animals and kill his mother. There is absolutely no defence for that. That's some Tedd Bundy level shit. And i seriously question anyone's real life personal character that defends him or thinks he can EVER be innocent.

Johan said:
A bunch of fangirls relating cause "OMGGGG MENTAL ILLNESS HOW RELATABLE XD <33333" and "OMG SERIAL KILLERS SO HOT <33333" like nah you're all sick.

Johan said:
The people got what they deserved.

Johan said:
clearly Fuuta was torn up about it once he realised what actually happened, when he wipes the blood on his face , and the video ends with him curled up in a ball with a blanket.

Johan said:
And you know... even if he did, like Kotoko if hes targeting rapists, and people that bad and they kill themselves then.... how about, GOOD????

Johan said:
Your Amane anaylsis is full of way too much speculation.

Johan said:
i'm not voting a child fucking guilty unless they're a deranged haruka and going out there leaving a wake of bodies behind.

Johan said:
it seems very odd shed randomnly just murder some girl that had nothing to do with nothing

Johan said:
but even if it was the bully, you don't get to murder your bullies. LMFAO. So either way she's guilty

Johan said:
Mahiru I mean again way too much assumption.

Johan said:
Kotko: I mean Yes, I'm not going to condemn someone as guilty for the Light Yagami approach.

Johan said:
First of all i think its very fair that yes she literally did save a child from being abused, or saved future children from being abused. Even if it was from her past, maybe that guy was still out there doing the same shit to others. So its not like this is some one-off event he raped her as a kid, and then 20 years later she goes and seeks revenge. She seems to be keeping very close eye on active investigations, etc. She was a bringer of justice, and doing what the police were failing to do. She should thanked and commended.