Attack on Titan
| no it's pretty good the only problem i had is Annie getting a happy ending and the last 4 chapters were pretty rushed |
| I am going to say it. It was just OK *Starts getting cancelled* |
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| I cannot imagine how it could realistically be worse. It's honestly impressive how bad everything about it was. |
| Average. Not as atrocious as it is made out to be, but certainly not good. |
| the ending was decent, there were many consistency problems even before chapter 139 but SnK always had those problems |
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| Ending is fine because it kinda made sense for what happened |
| I've been reading this manga for 9 years, and been discussing it actively, i'm not kind of a person who just enjoys the ride and doesn't think about the story. So over the years, we in active manga community came to a conclusion that FT cannot possibly have the power to control the other great titans, meaning cannot manipulate their memories, because if he could then the great titan war makes no sense, the war because of which Karl Frtiz lost all hope in his empire, after the bloodshed he witnessed in that civil war. That's also why Frieda didn't just erase Grisha's memories during the cave conflict. That rule has to be the case for the lore and the story of the series to make sense, logistically. Then 139 comes out, and we get not only FT being able to manipulate the great titans, but he can also manipulate the memories of Ackermans, meaning Karl Fritz easily could have ended the bloodshed any moment he wanted, and he also could easily made sure to neuter the attack titan, and also the entire thing with Ackermans being persecuted within paradis because their memories couldn't be erased, is a nonsensical bullshit. So Isayama broke two rules, and why did he do that? - For the cheap melodrama with Mikasa, and his friends saying "what a man you are", it has been done to create a scenario in which Eren can make up with his friends. That to me is a case of an extremely weak writing. Add that to the fact that he robbed Eren of his character agency in attempt of absolving Eren of his sins, and the ending just feels like a complete cop-out. The way i see it determinism exists in a poor attempt of Isayama trying to make sense of the story by claiming that everything effectively happened because it was destined to happen, to tie up the loose ends. Also a case of extremely weak writing. If he didn't have the balls to go all the way, then he shouldn't have drawn the rumbling in the first place, and post-time-skip Eren pre-138 shouldn't even exist. The ending reveals that Eren's plan was detitanization, the future he saw. Which means the entirety of Marley arc and Revolution arc have no basis. And Eren didn't need to play 4d chess with Zeke in order to activate the rumbling. He could have just used Historia, she would detitanize anyway, there was no sacrifice. And even if there was sacrifice who cares, why was Eren ready to sacrifice the rest of his friends but not Historia, it makes no sense. None of it makes any sense. The ending reveals that for 2000 years a loli goddess couldn't find another girl that really loved a guy. Something that is absolutely absurd at face value and needs no further explanation. And don't even get me started how it completely contradicts 122, which depicted how Eren frees Ymir and says "you were waiting for me all this time, weren't you?". And it's not like Eren was delusional. The chapter itself clearly depicted everything in such a way. Go reread it and see the face Ymir makes, it makes no fucking sense from narrative standpoint. Literally none of the post time skip shit needed to happen. Marley was completely pointless. Revolution was completely pointless. The Yeagerist stuff was completely pointless. The Yelena stuff was completely pointless. Fucking Falco somehow became the fucking beast titan for 0 fucking reason and learned to fucking fly. It makes ZERO sense. The fucking silliness of Ymir resurrecting all the past titans with their silly designs that just don't fit in the context of the final battle, of the culmination of a series that was taking onto itself very serious themes and discussions. It was more like out of a marvel movie. So what do we have at the end here: -Eren's character assassinated and turned into the slave of Ymir/Fate with fried brains, that actually wanted to flee from his own war and seclude himself in his own walls, that's why people started calling him Karl Yeager, or Eren Fritz. -Mikasa, a one-dimensional character that was not properly developed since season 1 turned into the centerpiece of the entire story. A weight her character had no ability to carry whatsoever -Numerous plot contrivances and straight up plot holes. Falco suddenly turns into the Beast titan and learns to fly. Characters just happen to be exactly where they are needed for the plot. Alliance charges in into heavily controlled enemy territory and gets out with ZERO casualties. The founding titan suddenly can manipulate the memories of other great titans and Ackermans, rendering the entirety of the lore and the history of the series into nonsense. Rumbling making no logisitcal sense when it comes to time-frame and the scale, Eren himself was still in Africa. -Nonsensical story-lines that go nowhere, like the pregnancy, which literally is a plot hole with the dates and her lying about when she got pregnant and complete nonsense on how it was needed for the plan. -Eren's motivations and decisions make no sense with 139 revelations, and retrospectively make both Zeke's plan and Kiyomi's plan much better alternatives, both of which he rejected because muh Historia, even though he didn't give any real shit about her, and lied to her and didn't even bother to send a farewell message to let her know that he fucking lied to her. -Characters literally disappear and written off the story, like Yelena, god knows why she existed, god knows what she did, and god knows what happened to her. -Ymir, literally everything about her. I can keep going, and long. But i think Eren's "I kept moving forward so that Mikasa kills me" settles it. Completely ruined narrative. |
XilverJun 17, 2022 5:01 AM
TheGoldenCatch said: I can see how somebody could think that at first glance but I think AoT's ending is very different at it's core because it's focused on different themes and the message is very different The Anti-hero protagonist turns against the whole world for his loved ones and after almost completing his task lets himself be killed by his childhood friend. Which anime we talking about? |
I love Monogatari Series |
| Post-timeskip Attack on Titan is absolute garbage in general. |
AlZeta said: Man_of_hardcore said: Let me just say this - it wasn't satisfactory. I don't care who was right and who was wrong. It should have an satisfactory ending. I never cared about marlyens and I don't give a shit if they have fucking backstories. They were the one who started this war and they should have been the one to pay for this. Season 4 totally ruined everything. Even my favorite scenes feel completely useless now. Somebody, please erase my memories and manipulate me for not watching season 4. I second this, imagine betraying your friends to help your enemies, and for what? Alliance just followed their ideals, it's not great how it was executed, the entire concept of the alliance. And it's hard to believe all of them would find the motivation to keep going like that considering the circumstances. But it doesn't fundamentally betray anything. The problem is Eren:  |
| Thread #1001 on "what do manga readers think about the ending?" "Was the ending actually bad?" "Do you think the ending was good?" |
IsimpEren said: aktiwkunn said: The Anti-hero protagonist turns against the whole world for his loved ones and after almost completing his task lets himself be killed by his childhood friend. Which anime we talking about? The thing is, Eren is a villan, not an anti hero. He committed genocide for his own selfish reasons which is something very unlike what Lelouch would do. I know. But you still can't deny the fact that Code Geass ending was a motivation for this |
| I love Monogatari Series |
| We actually do, Eren alters their memories from miles away. Same with what Karl Frtiz did to the people of paradis. |
IsimpEren said: Xilver said: We actually do, Eren alters their memories from miles away. Same with what Karl Frtiz did to the people of paradis. Frieda couldn't alter grisha's memories because she didn't have full control of the founder due to the vow to renounce war. Frieda could do that historia, probably because she was of royal blood. All the other stuff is explainable. Fritz probably discovered the power to alter memories after they fled to paradis. Listen don't waste my time with this sort of indefensible garbage, the story is not well written, if you want it to be well written i leave it to your cognition, reality won't change one way or another. Vow of renouncing of is only that, a vow to not to allow people in paradis to threaten others. So yes it limits the powers of the founder, to act aggressively against outsiders, which necessitates the ability to brainwash the people in paradis, something the royal family always did in paradis for generations. That's also why Ackermans were persecuted within the walls, because royal family couldn't manipulate their memories, and you stand here telling me "whell achsually the royal family couldn't the alter the memories of anyone!!! the story makes sennnnsee, cuz i want it to make seennse, reeee". 139 broke the rule with ackermans too of course, but that's besides the point. All the other stuff is explainable. Fritz probably discovered the power to alter memories after they fled to paradis. Okay i'm just gonna stop talking to you. Good luck to you with your life, you'll need it. |
| I love democracy....... |
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Xilver said: I'm been reading this manga for 9 years, and been discussing it actively, i'm not kind of a person who just enjoys the ride and doesn't think about the story. So over the years, we in active manga community came to a conclusion that FT cannot possibly have the power to control the other great titans, meaning cannot manipulate their memories, because if he could then the great titan war makes no sense, the war because of which Karl Frtiz lost all hope in his empire, after the bloodshed he witnessed in that civil war. That's also why Frieda didn't just erase Grisha's memories during the cave conflict. That rule has to be the case for the lore and the story of the series to make sense, logistically. Then 139 comes out, and we get not only FT being able to manipulate the great titans, but he can also manipulate the memories of ackermans, meaning Karl Fritz easily could have ended the bloodshed any moment he wanted, and he also could easily made sure to neuter the attack titan, and also the entire thing with Ackermans being persecuted within paradis because their memories couldn't be erased, is a nonsensical bullshit. So Isayama broke two rules, and why did he do that? For the cheap melodrama with Mikasa and his friends saying "what a man you are", it has been done to create a scenario in which Eren can make up with his friends. That to me is a case of an extremely weak writing. Add that to the fact that he robbed Eren of his character agency in attempt of absolving Eren of his sins, and the ending just feels like a complete cop-out. The way i see it determinism exists in poor attempt of Isayama trying to make sense of a story by claiming that everything effectively happened because it was destined to happen, to tie up the loose ends. Also a case of extremely weak writing. If he didn't have the balls to go all the way, then he shouldn't have drawn the rumbling in the first place, and post time skip Eren pre 138 shouldn't even exist. The ending reveals that Eren's plan was detitanization, the future he saw. Which means the entirety of Marley arc and Revolution arc have no basis. And Eren didn't need to play 4d chess with Zeke in order to activate the rumbling. He could have just used Historia, she would detitanize anyway, there was no sacrifice. And even if there was sacrifice who cares, why was Eren ready to sacrifice the rest of his friends but not Historia, it makes no sense. None of it makes any sense. The ending reveals that for 2000 years a loli goddess couldn't find another girl that really loved a guy. Something that is absolutely absurd at face value and needs no further explanation. And don't even get me started how it completely contradicts 122, which depicted how Eren frees Ymir and says "you were waiting for me". It's not like Eren was delusional. The chapter itself clearly depicted everything in such a way. Go reread it and see the face Ymir makes. It makes no fucking sense from narrative standpoint. Literally none of the post time skip shit needed to happen. Marley was completely pointless. Revolution was completely pointless. The Yeagerist stuff was completely pointless. The Yelena stuff was completely pointless. Fucking Falco somehow became the fucking Beast Titan for 0 fucking reason and learned to fucking fly. It makes ZERO sense. The fucking silliness of Ymir resurrecting all the past titans with their silly designs that just don't fit in the context of the final battle, of the culmination of a series that was taking onto itself very serious themes and discussions. It was more like out of a marvel movie. So what do we have at the end here: -Eren's character assassinated and turned into the slave of Ymir/Fate with fried brains, that actually wanted to flee from his own war and seclude himself in his own walls, that's why people started calling him Karl Yeager, or Eren Fritz. -Mikasa, a one-dimensional character that was not properly developed since season 1 turned into the centerpiece of the entire story. A weight her character had no ability to carry whatsoever -Numerous plot contrivances and straight up plot holes. Falco suddenly turns into the Beast titan and learns to fly. Characters just happen to be exactly where they are needed for the plot. Alliance charges in into heavily controlled enemy territory and gets out with ZERO casualties. The founding titan suddenly can manipulate the memories of other great titans and Ackermans, rendering the entirety of the lore and the history of the series into nonsense. Rumbling making no logisitcal sense when it comes to time-frame and the scale, Eren himself was still in Africa. -Nonsensical story-lines that go nowhere, like the pregnancy, which literally is a plot hole with the dates and her lying about when she got pregnant and complete nonsense on how it was needed for the plan. -Eren's motivations and decisions make no sense with 139 revelations, and retrospectively make both Zeke's plan and Kiyomi's plan much better alternatives, both of which he rejected because muh Historia, even though he didn't give any real shit about her, and lied to her and didn't even bother to send a farewell message to let her know that he fucking lied to her. -Characters literally disappear and written off the story, like Yelena, god knows why she existed, god knows what she did, and god knows what happened to her. -Ymir, literally everything about her. I can keep going, and long. But i think Eren's "I kept moving forward so that Mikasa kills me" settles it. Completely ruined narrative. how to fucking upvote this???? |
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| Mikasa did cop out move forward and backward at the same time. That is enough to say its not worth my times. Those extra pages were very atrocious for multiple reasons. |
AdampkMar 16, 2022 6:22 AM
  Click for a anime mashup! Still not gone bandwagon u, keep crying. Here u are welcome to CRINGE at my EXISTENCE |
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| Its complete and utter dogshit tbh |
Xilver said: My favorite thing was the extra pages because they ultimate proved that genocide was literally the only way to go here and that everyone the Alliance did was retarded from the get go lolI'm been reading this manga for 9 years, and been discussing it actively, i'm not kind of a person who just enjoys the ride and doesn't think about the story. So over the years, we in active manga community came to a conclusion that FT cannot possibly have the power to control the other great titans, meaning cannot manipulate their memories, because if he could then the great titan war makes no sense, the war because of which Karl Frtiz lost all hope in his empire, after the bloodshed he witnessed in that civil war. That's also why Frieda didn't just erase Grisha's memories during the cave conflict. That rule has to be the case for the lore and the story of the series to make sense, logistically. Then 139 comes out, and we get not only FT being able to manipulate the great titans, but he can also manipulate the memories of ackermans, meaning Karl Fritz easily could have ended the bloodshed any moment he wanted, and he also could easily made sure to neuter the attack titan, and also the entire thing with Ackermans being persecuted within paradis because their memories couldn't be erased, is a nonsensical bullshit. So Isayama broke two rules, and why did he do that? For the cheap melodrama with Mikasa and his friends saying "what a man you are", it has been done to create a scenario in which Eren can make up with his friends. That to me is a case of an extremely weak writing. Add that to the fact that he robbed Eren of his character agency in attempt of absolving Eren of his sins, and the ending just feels like a complete cop-out. The way i see it determinism exists in poor attempt of Isayama trying to make sense of a story by claiming that everything effectively happened because it was destined to happen, to tie up the loose ends. Also a case of extremely weak writing. If he didn't have the balls to go all the way, then he shouldn't have drawn the rumbling in the first place, and post time skip Eren pre 138 shouldn't even exist. The ending reveals that Eren's plan was detitanization, the future he saw. Which means the entirety of Marley arc and Revolution arc have no basis. And Eren didn't need to play 4d chess with Zeke in order to activate the rumbling. He could have just used Historia, she would detitanize anyway, there was no sacrifice. And even if there was sacrifice who cares, why was Eren ready to sacrifice the rest of his friends but not Historia, it makes no sense. None of it makes any sense. The ending reveals that for 2000 years a loli goddess couldn't find another girl that really loved a guy. Something that is absolutely absurd at face value and needs no further explanation. And don't even get me started how it completely contradicts 122, which depicted how Eren frees Ymir and says "you were waiting for me". It's not like Eren was delusional. The chapter itself clearly depicted everything in such a way. Go reread it and see the face Ymir makes. It makes no fucking sense from narrative standpoint. Literally none of the post time skip shit needed to happen. Marley was completely pointless. Revolution was completely pointless. The Yeagerist stuff was completely pointless. The Yelena stuff was completely pointless. Fucking Falco somehow became the fucking Beast Titan for 0 fucking reason and learned to fucking fly. It makes ZERO sense. The fucking silliness of Ymir resurrecting all the past titans with their silly designs that just don't fit in the context of the final battle, of the culmination of a series that was taking onto itself very serious themes and discussions. It was more like out of a marvel movie. So what do we have at the end here: -Eren's character assassinated and turned into the slave of Ymir/Fate with fried brains, that actually wanted to flee from his own war and seclude himself in his own walls, that's why people started calling him Karl Yeager, or Eren Fritz. -Mikasa, a one-dimensional character that was not properly developed since season 1 turned into the centerpiece of the entire story. A weight her character had no ability to carry whatsoever -Numerous plot contrivances and straight up plot holes. Falco suddenly turns into the Beast titan and learns to fly. Characters just happen to be exactly where they are needed for the plot. Alliance charges in into heavily controlled enemy territory and gets out with ZERO casualties. The founding titan suddenly can manipulate the memories of other great titans and Ackermans, rendering the entirety of the lore and the history of the series into nonsense. Rumbling making no logisitcal sense when it comes to time-frame and the scale, Eren himself was still in Africa. -Nonsensical story-lines that go nowhere, like the pregnancy, which literally is a plot hole with the dates and her lying about when she got pregnant and complete nonsense on how it was needed for the plan. -Eren's motivations and decisions make no sense with 139 revelations, and retrospectively make both Zeke's plan and Kiyomi's plan much better alternatives, both of which he rejected because muh Historia, even though he didn't give any real shit about her, and lied to her and didn't even bother to send a farewell message to let her know that he fucking lied to her. -Characters literally disappear and written off the story, like Yelena, god knows why she existed, god knows what she did, and god knows what happened to her. -Ymir, literally everything about her. I can keep going, and long. But i think Eren's "I kept moving forward so that Mikasa kills me" settles it. Completely ruined narrative. That and Eren suddenly being madly in love with his dog Mikasa |
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