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Dec 30, 2021 3:25 PM
#1
S4 no doubt has many flaws, more than you can count tbh. Zoe Hange, went from a funny and witty character, to easily the worst character in the show. None of her actions in this season are relatable, justifiable, or even on par with her character. Anytime shes on screen shes just there to piss you off. Crazy how we went from Erwin to this mess |
Dec 30, 2021 3:35 PM
#3
_spoon_ said: yeah same… it felt appropriate/decent she didn't bother me that much in s4 |
Dec 30, 2021 3:39 PM
#4
depressandotaku said: _spoon_ said: yeah same… it felt appropriate/decent she didn't bother me that much in s4 she spends half the season crying to erwmins ghost that he made the wrong decision and that shes useless. its the equivalent of deku and eren's crying |
Dec 30, 2021 3:44 PM
#5
I think mappa made AOT darker, both in animation and character wise. Maybe it wouldn't make sense if eren was threatening the whole world and she was like "haha titan go brrr, Am I right?" |
No le sabo al ingles |
Dec 30, 2021 3:44 PM
#6
She was funny and charming as usual. The story has just evolved into being much bigger than Scouts vs the titans. She was always a solid side character at best, so I'm not sure what you thought you'd be getting. |
Dec 30, 2021 3:45 PM
#7
NickCipolla said: depressandotaku said: _spoon_ said: she didn't bother me that much in s4 she spends half the season crying to erwmins ghost that he made the wrong decision and that shes useless. its the equivalent of deku and eren's crying She's lost someone close to her, of course she's crying I actually quite like hange's character. She seems calmer after Erwin's death, which clearly really affected her as a person. She's lost so many people along the way and it finally shows how mature she's become. |
Dec 30, 2021 3:54 PM
#8
NickCipolla said: depressandotaku said: _spoon_ said: she didn't bother me that much in s4 she spends half the season crying to erwmins ghost that he made the wrong decision and that shes useless. its the equivalent of deku and eren's crying I’ve only watched episode one of mha, so Idk about that, but I don’t understand why people shit on Eren for breaking down when he thought he had to sacrifice the rest of humanity and completely destroy his chance of being with the person he loves to save her and his friends. No one shitted on him for breaking down in what everyone calls one of the masterpiece chapters, chapter 131 |
Dec 30, 2021 3:54 PM
#9
DoobieSam said: She was funny and charming as usual. The story has just evolved into being much bigger than Scouts vs the titans. She was always a solid side character at best, so I'm not sure what you thought you'd be getting. Name one thing she gets done in s4 post eren attack on marley. ill wait. |
Dec 30, 2021 4:27 PM
#11
m15l16 said: Simple: it didn’t it clearly did if u just watch the show |
Dec 30, 2021 4:30 PM
#12
It clearly did not because that is called character development, it does not need to make the character more happy or whatever, Hange suffers because she/he is one in the charge of everything instead of Erwin when thing turn dark and it is delightful to watch such a positive character go through that experience, so no, we are not that simple here sorry |
Dec 30, 2021 4:33 PM
#13
m15l16 said: It clearly did not because that is called character development, it does not need to make the character more happy or whatever, Hange suffers because she/he is one in the charge of everything instead of Erwin when thing turn dark and it is delightful to watch such a positive character go through that experience, so no, we are not that simple here sorry name one thing she gets done in s4 |
Dec 30, 2021 4:36 PM
#14
NickCipolla said: m15l16 said: It clearly did not because that is called character development, it does not need to make the character more happy or whatever, Hange suffers because she/he is one in the charge of everything instead of Erwin when thing turn dark and it is delightful to watch such a positive character go through that experience, so no, we are not that simple here sorry name one thing she gets done in s4 You keep saying s4 but it is actually manga which the studio just follows so I am having slight troubles to understand what are you talking about. Anyway, Hange shows us the way he/she changed and how the whole rebellion thing changed her/him for more depressed character, it is seinen, characters don’t need to do “anything” to be fun to watch and spoiler alert: she/ he is gonna do a lot more |
Dec 30, 2021 4:38 PM
#15
m15l16 said: NickCipolla said: m15l16 said: It clearly did not because that is called character development, it does not need to make the character more happy or whatever, Hange suffers because she/he is one in the charge of everything instead of Erwin when thing turn dark and it is delightful to watch such a positive character go through that experience, so no, we are not that simple here sorry name one thing she gets done in s4 You keep saying s4 but it is actually manga which the studio just follows so I am having slight troubles to understand what are you talking about. Anyway, Hange shows us the way he/she changed and how the whole rebellion thing changed her/him for more depressed character, it is seinen, characters don’t need to do “anything” to be fun to watch and spoiler alert: she/ he is gonna do a lot more right, so aka she does nothing in this season, her character is pointless. she brings nothing to the story or plot. got it! |
Dec 30, 2021 4:39 PM
#16
NickCipolla said: m15l16 said: NickCipolla said: m15l16 said: It clearly did not because that is called character development, it does not need to make the character more happy or whatever, Hange suffers because she/he is one in the charge of everything instead of Erwin when thing turn dark and it is delightful to watch such a positive character go through that experience, so no, we are not that simple here sorry name one thing she gets done in s4 You keep saying s4 but it is actually manga which the studio just follows so I am having slight troubles to understand what are you talking about. Anyway, Hange shows us the way he/she changed and how the whole rebellion thing changed her/him for more depressed character, it is seinen, characters don’t need to do “anything” to be fun to watch and spoiler alert: she/ he is gonna do a lot more right, so aka she does nothing in this season, her character is pointless. she brings nothing to the story or plot. got it! Wait for it I guess |
Dec 30, 2021 4:45 PM
#17
Well all I can say is that part 2 will show the less comedic side of her and we get to see her fighting but too bad her life went short during the rumbling arc |
CQLLISTDec 30, 2021 5:16 PM
"......If I told you that I was a real witch, would you believe it?" |
Dec 30, 2021 4:57 PM
#19
S4 didn’t ruin anything but adapted the story that was already written by the mangaka blame him not the anime. |
Dec 30, 2021 5:04 PM
#20
I see you everywhere on mal, it's baffling to see that one person can have so many bad takes. |
Dec 30, 2021 5:04 PM
#21
NickCipolla said: DoobieSam said: She was funny and charming as usual. The story has just evolved into being much bigger than Scouts vs the titans. She was always a solid side character at best, so I'm not sure what you thought you'd be getting. Name one thing she gets done in s4 post eren attack on marley. ill wait. She's not central to the story lol. Whether she did something or not means nothing. |
Dec 30, 2021 5:08 PM
#23
you shouldn’t create a forum just because you want people to agree with you… posting your opinion is a invitation for other people to share their opinions- if you can’t handle others not agreeing with you than don’t create a discussion on the matter lol |
Dec 30, 2021 5:11 PM
#24
NickCipolla said: m15l16 said: NickCipolla said: m15l16 said: It clearly did not because that is called character development, it does not need to make the character more happy or whatever, Hange suffers because she/he is one in the charge of everything instead of Erwin when thing turn dark and it is delightful to watch such a positive character go through that experience, so no, we are not that simple here sorry name one thing she gets done in s4 You keep saying s4 but it is actually manga which the studio just follows so I am having slight troubles to understand what are you talking about. Anyway, Hange shows us the way he/she changed and how the whole rebellion thing changed her/him for more depressed character, it is seinen, characters don’t need to do “anything” to be fun to watch and spoiler alert: she/ he is gonna do a lot more right, so aka she does nothing in this season, her character is pointless. she brings nothing to the story or plot. got it! What does sasha do this season I wonder. Oh right, she dies, aka her character is pointless |
Dec 30, 2021 5:40 PM
#25
NickCipolla said: S4 no doubt has many flaws, more than you can count tbh. Zoe Hange, went from a funny and witty character, to easily the worst character in the show. None of her actions in this season are relatable, justifiable, or even on par with her character. Anytime shes on screen shes just there to piss you off. Crazy how we went from Erwin to this mess I agree with you. She is the smartest character in AoT, with an 11/10 (same as Zeke) in intelligence in the official stats, but still she didn't do anything in the whole season. Armin also was really nerfed, even if his strategies weren't as amazing as the characters tried to make them appear, he was smarter in the previous seasons, but still works in this one unlike Hange who has her most important trait (well, there's also the titan obsesion, but that wouldn't work as well now that everyone know what titans are) nerfed |
Dec 30, 2021 6:27 PM
#26
I don’t understand the point of this at all. She’s different because the situation is different now. They’re facing possible extinction while also being in a civil war. And to top that off, she now is the Scouts leader and that means she has a lot to worry about. And the last thing is... wait for it.... SHE’s not the MC so she doesn’t get much screen time, but she will later on. Do you understand now why she doesn’t go around saying “titans make me horny” anymore? Imagine calling normal development a flaw. You should wait for season 4 to end before making such comments. |
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Dec 30, 2021 7:13 PM
#27
DoobieSam said: NickCipolla said: DoobieSam said: She was funny and charming as usual. The story has just evolved into being much bigger than Scouts vs the titans. She was always a solid side character at best, so I'm not sure what you thought you'd be getting. Name one thing she gets done in s4 post eren attack on marley. ill wait. She's not central to the story lol. Whether she did something or not means nothing. right, shes not central to the story. oh wait, shes supposed to be replacing the 3rd most important character of the story in erwin. youre right tho, her role isnt important as commander |
Dec 30, 2021 7:14 PM
#28
ynel776 said: NickCipolla said: m15l16 said: NickCipolla said: m15l16 said: It clearly did not because that is called character development, it does not need to make the character more happy or whatever, Hange suffers because she/he is one in the charge of everything instead of Erwin when thing turn dark and it is delightful to watch such a positive character go through that experience, so no, we are not that simple here sorry name one thing she gets done in s4 You keep saying s4 but it is actually manga which the studio just follows so I am having slight troubles to understand what are you talking about. Anyway, Hange shows us the way he/she changed and how the whole rebellion thing changed her/him for more depressed character, it is seinen, characters don’t need to do “anything” to be fun to watch and spoiler alert: she/ he is gonna do a lot more right, so aka she does nothing in this season, her character is pointless. she brings nothing to the story or plot. got it! What does sasha do this season I wonder. Oh right, she dies, aka her character is pointless how did i know before even clicking your page that u were under 16 years old lol |
Dec 30, 2021 7:25 PM
#29
NickCipolla said: Thats kinda dumb because being commander or leader also effects ur behavior in real life if u also have an immense pressure above ur head.Mental health exist dude it's stupid to think otherwise.S4 no doubt has many flaws, more than you can count tbh. Zoe Hange, went from a funny and witty character, to easily the worst character in the show. None of her actions in this season are relatable, justifiable, or even on par with her character. Anytime shes on screen shes just there to piss you off. Crazy how we went from Erwin to this mess |
Dec 30, 2021 7:36 PM
#30
I wouldn’t say she’s ruined, more like it feels unnatural due to the fucking 5 year time skip between seasons. I mean even Eren is completely different from what he was in season 3. Point being: everyone feels different and that’s ok, except for Mikasa since she never had a personality to begin with. |
Dec 30, 2021 7:37 PM
#31
Gengenpresser said: NickCipolla said: Thats kinda dumb because being commander or leader also effects ur behavior in real life if u also have an immense pressure above ur head.Mental health exist dude it's stupid to think otherwise.S4 no doubt has many flaws, more than you can count tbh. Zoe Hange, went from a funny and witty character, to easily the worst character in the show. None of her actions in this season are relatable, justifiable, or even on par with her character. Anytime shes on screen shes just there to piss you off. Crazy how we went from Erwin to this mess what are you even talking about? she had no pressure above her head. she created that pressure by being a fucking idiot and a poor leader |
Dec 30, 2021 7:38 PM
#32
Fr, she isn't the worst Character but she is the worst commander of scouts rather than doing something logical she just blamed Erwin as why he made her commander. 4 years she didn't do anything lived under kindness of kiyomi and when eren tried to do something for the country she tried to stop him. She was useless in marley arc and even more useless than Armin in the upcoming arc. Not a single Character was left out every character was monged in the end. |
Dec 30, 2021 7:43 PM
#33
DoobieSam said: lmao... means nothing? That's the whole point the OP is trying to prove. In short, hange zoe is an overrated useless character(in s4)NickCipolla said: DoobieSam said: She was funny and charming as usual. The story has just evolved into being much bigger than Scouts vs the titans. She was always a solid side character at best, so I'm not sure what you thought you'd be getting. Name one thing she gets done in s4 post eren attack on marley. ill wait. She's not central to the story lol. Whether she did something or not means nothing. |
Dec 30, 2021 7:43 PM
#34
NickCipolla said: What do you mean by there is no pressure on her head, there is fricking war coming, her comrades are dying, eren being all genocidal and shit and she is the commander when all these things are happening. I don't know what does "pressure", " tension" or "depression" mean to you but she definitely has the reason to be tensed or depressed, almost every character in the show has.Gengenpresser said: NickCipolla said: S4 no doubt has many flaws, more than you can count tbh. Zoe Hange, went from a funny and witty character, to easily the worst character in the show. None of her actions in this season are relatable, justifiable, or even on par with her character. Anytime shes on screen shes just there to piss you off. Crazy how we went from Erwin to this mess what are you even talking about? she had no pressure above her head. she created that pressure by being a fucking idiot and a poor leader |
Dec 30, 2021 7:46 PM
#35
Lone_wolf2021 said: DoobieSam said: lmao... means nothing? That's the whole point the OP is trying to prove. In short, hange zoe is an overrated useless character(in s4)NickCipolla said: DoobieSam said: She was funny and charming as usual. The story has just evolved into being much bigger than Scouts vs the titans. She was always a solid side character at best, so I'm not sure what you thought you'd be getting. Name one thing she gets done in s4 post eren attack on marley. ill wait. She's not central to the story lol. Whether she did something or not means nothing. Nah, I disagree. Her purpose has always been to be a comic relief, side character. That didn't change in season 4. |
Dec 30, 2021 7:48 PM
#36
Her nose looked weird in the zeppelin ship scene in Episode 7, Assault. The reason I bring that up is because that is the only personal flaw MAPPA did to her in S4. Other than that, she was Hange Zoe, and I love her. |
Dec 30, 2021 7:49 PM
#37
DoobieSam said: bruh are u telling me that hange served as a comic relief in s4? She didn't even have enough screen time and didn't contribute anything. She was just there.Lone_wolf2021 said: DoobieSam said: NickCipolla said: DoobieSam said: She was funny and charming as usual. The story has just evolved into being much bigger than Scouts vs the titans. She was always a solid side character at best, so I'm not sure what you thought you'd be getting. Name one thing she gets done in s4 post eren attack on marley. ill wait. She's not central to the story lol. Whether she did something or not means nothing. Nah, I disagree. Her purpose has always been to be a comic relief, side character. That didn't change in season 4. |
Dec 30, 2021 7:49 PM
#38
DoobieSam said: Lone_wolf2021 said: DoobieSam said: NickCipolla said: DoobieSam said: She was funny and charming as usual. The story has just evolved into being much bigger than Scouts vs the titans. She was always a solid side character at best, so I'm not sure what you thought you'd be getting. Name one thing she gets done in s4 post eren attack on marley. ill wait. She's not central to the story lol. Whether she did something or not means nothing. Nah, I disagree. Her purpose has always been to be a comic relief, side character. That didn't change in season 4. Whoa whoa there buddy boy, now I'm not defending against your claim because of my personal likening to Hange Zoe, but I feel you must be missing a whole lot of the show if you think she is solely comic relief. |
Dec 30, 2021 7:50 PM
#39
Gengenpresser said: so you are saying because of depression she wasn't able to contribute anything to the show?NickCipolla said: What do you mean by there is no pressure on her head, there is fricking war coming, her comrades are dying, eren being all genocidal and shit and she is the commander when all these things are happening. I don't know what does "pressure", " tension" or "depression" mean to you but she definitely has the reason to be tensed or depressed, almost every character in the show has.Gengenpresser said: NickCipolla said: Thats kinda dumb because being commander or leader also effects ur behavior in real life if u also have an immense pressure above ur head.Mental health exist dude it's stupid to think otherwise.S4 no doubt has many flaws, more than you can count tbh. Zoe Hange, went from a funny and witty character, to easily the worst character in the show. None of her actions in this season are relatable, justifiable, or even on par with her character. Anytime shes on screen shes just there to piss you off. Crazy how we went from Erwin to this mess what are you even talking about? she had no pressure above her head. she created that pressure by being a fucking idiot and a poor leader |
Dec 30, 2021 7:55 PM
#40
Lone_wolf2021 said: Dude it's a season, every character doesn't have to contribute shit in everysingle season, I'm pretty sure someone already told this to you before as a reply and u seem to completely ignore it WOW.Gengenpresser said: so you are saying because of depression she wasn't able to contribute anything to the show?NickCipolla said: Gengenpresser said: NickCipolla said: Thats kinda dumb because being commander or leader also effects ur behavior in real life if u also have an immense pressure above ur head.Mental health exist dude it's stupid to think otherwise.S4 no doubt has many flaws, more than you can count tbh. Zoe Hange, went from a funny and witty character, to easily the worst character in the show. None of her actions in this season are relatable, justifiable, or even on par with her character. Anytime shes on screen shes just there to piss you off. Crazy how we went from Erwin to this mess what are you even talking about? she had no pressure above her head. she created that pressure by being a fucking idiot and a poor leader |
Dec 30, 2021 7:56 PM
#41
Gengenpresser said: so then just agree with the OP that hange was useless in this season. You seem to be aware of it.Lone_wolf2021 said: Dude it's a season, every character doesn't have to contribute shit in everysingle season, I'm pretty sure someone already told this to you before as a reply and u seem to completely ignore it WOW.Gengenpresser said: NickCipolla said: What do you mean by there is no pressure on her head, there is fricking war coming, her comrades are dying, eren being all genocidal and shit and she is the commander when all these things are happening. I don't know what does "pressure", " tension" or "depression" mean to you but she definitely has the reason to be tensed or depressed, almost every character in the show has.Gengenpresser said: NickCipolla said: Thats kinda dumb because being commander or leader also effects ur behavior in real life if u also have an immense pressure above ur head.Mental health exist dude it's stupid to think otherwise.S4 no doubt has many flaws, more than you can count tbh. Zoe Hange, went from a funny and witty character, to easily the worst character in the show. None of her actions in this season are relatable, justifiable, or even on par with her character. Anytime shes on screen shes just there to piss you off. Crazy how we went from Erwin to this mess what are you even talking about? she had no pressure above her head. she created that pressure by being a fucking idiot and a poor leader |
Dec 30, 2021 8:00 PM
#42
NickCipolla said: Season 4 isn't over yet, smartass.m15l16 said: It clearly did not because that is called character development, it does not need to make the character more happy or whatever, Hange suffers because she/he is one in the charge of everything instead of Erwin when thing turn dark and it is delightful to watch such a positive character go through that experience, so no, we are not that simple here sorry name one thing she gets done in s4 Also, getting shit done doesn't apply to just Hange here, no one gets shit done in Season 4, the only one who does is Eren Jaeger. He's the one in charge now. |
Dec 30, 2021 8:03 PM
#43
Also I don't even know why there is even a thread bitching about the writing of a character who have such low amount of screen time, and not even a main side character. It's like bitching about the writing of lelouches sister in CG or that bicycle girl in Stein's gate lmao. |
Dec 30, 2021 8:06 PM
#44
For me the question is how did s4/time skip in the manga make me disconnect/not care about every character in the series other than reiner, zeke and eren even thou I was binge watching the show from s1 to s4 |
AkitokamisenDec 30, 2021 8:10 PM
Dec 30, 2021 8:08 PM
#45
Lone_wolf2021 said: Pretty sure she is the one who found out injured levi, so I definitely don't think she's useless and OP said S4 ruined her character because she "contributed" nothing in a particular season, I really don't see how a character is "ruined " if he/she doesn't have much big of a role in a particular "season".Gengenpresser said: so then just agree with the OP that hange was useless in this season. You seem to be aware of it.Lone_wolf2021 said: Gengenpresser said: so you are saying because of depression she wasn't able to contribute anything to the show?NickCipolla said: What do you mean by there is no pressure on her head, there is fricking war coming, her comrades are dying, eren being all genocidal and shit and she is the commander when all these things are happening. I don't know what does "pressure", " tension" or "depression" mean to you but she definitely has the reason to be tensed or depressed, almost every character in the show has.Gengenpresser said: NickCipolla said: Thats kinda dumb because being commander or leader also effects ur behavior in real life if u also have an immense pressure above ur head.Mental health exist dude it's stupid to think otherwise.S4 no doubt has many flaws, more than you can count tbh. Zoe Hange, went from a funny and witty character, to easily the worst character in the show. None of her actions in this season are relatable, justifiable, or even on par with her character. Anytime shes on screen shes just there to piss you off. Crazy how we went from Erwin to this mess what are you even talking about? she had no pressure above her head. she created that pressure by being a fucking idiot and a poor leader |
Dec 30, 2021 8:14 PM
#46
Alvacka97 said: NickCipolla said: Season 4 isn't over yet, smartass.m15l16 said: It clearly did not because that is called character development, it does not need to make the character more happy or whatever, Hange suffers because she/he is one in the charge of everything instead of Erwin when thing turn dark and it is delightful to watch such a positive character go through that experience, so no, we are not that simple here sorry name one thing she gets done in s4 Also, getting shit done doesn't apply to just Hange here, no one gets shit done in Season 4, the only one who does is Eren Jaeger. He's the one in charge now. wow you are so smart, u surely must have a college phd with knowledge like that. its almost like, watch this pretty crazy, im talking about the current s4. woahhhh so in that case, her character can be ruined in this season! dang!! |
Dec 30, 2021 8:53 PM
#47
Are you kidding? She’s great in Season Four. She’s the only one that is acting with any kind of logical, realistic sense and it’s hilarious. She tries to crack a joke at Eren and gets a thousand yard stare in return. She acts like she should be bemoaning her new job that she NEVER wanted over at a bar late at night while teenagers are constantly being edgy around her. She’d be drunkenly cursing out Levi for his sexual tension with Zeke and saying how much she misses Moblit. |
Dec 30, 2021 9:25 PM
#48
"aot greatest story ever told its a masterpiece!!!" when u have these type of shortcomings and flaws in a series/movie it ain't a masterpiece at all humanity is clearly evolving but backwards and aot fandom is one of the best proof of it |
Dec 30, 2021 9:27 PM
#49
NickCipolla said: Alvacka97 said: NickCipolla said: m15l16 said: It clearly did not because that is called character development, it does not need to make the character more happy or whatever, Hange suffers because she/he is one in the charge of everything instead of Erwin when thing turn dark and it is delightful to watch such a positive character go through that experience, so no, we are not that simple here sorry name one thing she gets done in s4 Also, getting shit done doesn't apply to just Hange here, no one gets shit done in Season 4, the only one who does is Eren Jaeger. He's the one in charge now. wow you are so smart, u surely must have a college phd with knowledge like that. its almost like, watch this pretty crazy, im talking about the current s4. woahhhh so in that case, her character can be ruined in this season! dang!! her death is also even worse and pointless in the manga well i mean the whole shitty writing after ch 131 that occurs is laughable |
Dec 30, 2021 9:48 PM
#50
how dumb can this forum get? you can't expect everything to be the same compared from the previous seasons, considering all the shit going on. and I see you keep on saying "nAmE onE ThIng tHat sHe diD iN s4", and honestly, what do you really want from Hange? It wouldn't really make sense for her to do some heroic shit all of a sudden/or any action. Tell us what you wanted her to do if you're really that concerned that Hange is 'ruined' my mans. |
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