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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- I swear to god if this ends with Sayu breaking up with Chizuru to go be with Kei that's gonna be the biggest f u ever lmao Regardless, finally the dreaded "I'm a better man for you" shoujo cliche has come into play. Here's hoping the words of wisdom from the 2nd ML are, just as in a regular shoujo, going to be used to spur Sayu into properly confronting Chizuru, and not some situation where Sayu can't stop thinking about kei or smth Seriously though, what has been going on these last few chapters? Remember when this was a cute smut with lots of communication and whatnot? I mean sure from time to time an arc where one of the characters needs to properly communicate their concerns is needed, but it feels like it's been ages since Chizuru was like how he was early on in the series lol |
Short_CircutJul 8, 2021 9:56 AM
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shutcardboard said: It is the same story on repeat with another guy with rapist-behaviour that probably will even get rewarded in the end. nah it definitely is not on that level. Not even close to the actual borderline rape that can be in josei smut lol |
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shutcardboard said: Ah, my bad! Forcing yourself on someone that trusted you, as in kissing said someone in their sleep while not wanting it(?) is quite knightly and cute, all the while knowing said someone is in a relationship. I even went for the "rapist-behaviour" since most smut is full on rape to start off but I guess it wasn't at all. Thanks for sharing your point of view, tho. Are you referring to Chizuru or the 2nd ML? |
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shutcardboard said: Ah, my bad! Forcing yourself on someone that trusted you, as in kissing said someone in their sleep while not wanting it(?) is quite knightly and cute, all the while knowing said someone is in a relationship. I even went for the "rapist-behaviour" since most smut is full on rape to start off but I guess it wasn't at all. Thanks for sharing your point of view, tho. Ok, so going back to this post, even with the unnecessary hostility I still stand by my original point. It's (unfortunately) pretty common in josei smut for the ML's to literally force themselves onto the FL's and treat them poorly sexually, regardless if the FL actually wants to or not, with the justifying being either she for some reason doesn't care or because she's wet therefore she wants it (silly, I know). That is borderline rape/"rapist behavior" because well, the ML is literally sexually assaulting the FL (as in full-on sex). Something like Netafurishitemo, Mudakara is a perfect example of this where hell, the ML literally rapes the FL but she doesn't care because "he's hot and she's in love" Now comparing it to this, all he has done was give her a soft kiss while she was asleep. Don't get me wrong what the 2nd ML did was scummy as hell given the context, but to classify it on the same level as ML's that are literally penetrating FL's with half-assed consent is absurd. He never forced her into that position, he doesn't start to grope her, doesn't try to feel her up, hell doesn't even pursue the kiss thing any further afterward. By that logic, all the FL's who go for a kiss when the ML is asleep while sick are all showing "rapist behavior" I share the same frustration with the recent developments yes, no one's calling what he did "knightly and cute" but to classify what the 2nd ML did as "rapist behavior" on the same level as other, far worse ML's is just asinine. |
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| @shutcardboard Turning her into an ignorant girl that stays with another man is random and just to create artificial drama. She could easily stay with another woman or in the lobby if there really is no other way. I do agree Sayu's character destruction, but this instance I don't think Sayu is really in the fault for this particular decision. She was basically coerced by Kei and the manager into accepting the single room, there's no guarantee that there would be another woman available (and willing to share a room) and staying in the lobby seems irrational. Plus as you've mentioned she does trust Kei at the end of the day, it is not just some random man. She even immediately chose to call Chizuru once they were in the room. The real issue lies with Sayu's half assed explanation to Chizuru, and Chizuru acting like a complete manchild (and not trusting her of all things). But, and a big but, saying quote: "he doesn't start to grope her, doesn't try to feel her up, hell doesn't even pursue the kiss thing any further afterward. [...]" is a dangerous mindset. If there was absolutely no context given as to the characters involved and their relationship, then sure it can be. But this situation is not like that. Yes Kei can appear as deceiving at times, but there is nothing as of this chapter that indicates that Kei would intend to sexually abuse Sayu for his own benefit In usual settings where a MC/character kisses another one while sleeping or sick there is some sort of developed relationship maybe even romance. This here is pretty much a stranger that is forcing himself on her while asleep Except they're not though? They were both good friends in high school, Sayu had a crush on him and he had and still has a crush on her now. This isn't any different from any other typical shoujo in that regard (only the ages would be shifted down). Even in harems (where I think most of these scenario's show up) the relationship between the characters involved are usually less than what is shown here FL waking up and brushing it off is huge and a massive breach of trust but I wouldn't want to elaborate on that further, as FLs established character is not like that though this I do not deny Finally, I never tried to make anyone think that stranger dude is on the same level as other far worse MLs as you said I mean, the whole discussion started off with: Short_Circut said: shutcardboard said: It is the same story on repeat with another guy with rapist-behaviour that probably will even get rewarded in the end. nah it definitely is not on that level. Not even close to the actual borderline rape that can be in josei smut lol to which came that hostile reply. If that was just my misunderstanding then my bad, I take it back. Edit: I should just clarify that I just am of the opinion that changing a strong female lead in a Josei that went through the whole ML forcing himself on her stage already (in this case it was gradually over the filming- thats why it should NOT be compared to these more intense cases) is bad writing and unnecessary. But it is nonetheless uncalled for, too random, a cheap way of creating drama and can be categorized as sexual harassment -at the very least-. That is the whole problem here- this "smut" Josei had a whole other intensity. It just randomly changed to push some more chapters. these parts I do more or less agree with. Definitely share similar sentiment |
Short_CircutJul 11, 2021 10:34 AM
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| Ya see I'm not surprise with the 2nd ML confessing to him but at least Sayo didn't really reveal Chizuru that much about his personal business and such but still doesn't make a justification that Sayo's action is completely right to the 2nd ML, she could've bluntly rejected him that's simple. |
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