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Jun 9, 2020 11:58 AM
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I have been Team Hina ever since but somehow, even though she won, I don't feel happy or complete.
Do you feel the same?
:/
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Jun 9, 2020 12:07 PM
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Even though I'm team Rui, I wouldn't have mind if team Hina won. The problem was that the story deteriorated severely and had such a terrible ending. If the author wanted Team Hina to win, than he should have done it in a better way than he did.
Jun 9, 2020 12:26 PM
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literally YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!!
Jun 9, 2020 12:27 PM
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Not "he did". She did...
Jun 9, 2020 12:50 PM
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concerned2 said:
I have been #TeamHina ever since but somehow, even though she won, I don't feel happy or complete.
Do you feel the same?
:/

I am in team Hina. And I feel happy. But yes, I feel the author needs Hina to Breed with Natsuo and make a child to make the story "more completed/


Anyway, I feel a sense of fulfillment when seeing Hina in a wedding dress and wedding kiss. She deserved the wedding.
Jun 9, 2020 12:51 PM
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Because they both won, neither properly won
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Jun 9, 2020 4:54 PM
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The ending skipped the time by a lot and basically now Natsuo is married with Hina but has a baby with her sister Rui.
I am honestly wondering what the hell was the author thinking whilst writing this ending, like oh well the manga is going well let's ruin it
In the chapter 275-276 it just went from Natsuo proposing to Hina in coma and next he f**ks Rui, bruh wtf, at this point get both and do a harem
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Jun 9, 2020 6:08 PM
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That's the worst ending I have seen. It was just lazy in my opinion. Brought the whole book down about 8 notches for me.
Jun 9, 2020 7:18 PM
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That's the worst ending I have seen. It was just lazy in my opinion. Brought the whole book down about 8 notches for me.

Well, look at the bright side. Unlike a hiatus had occurred for fairly popular manga, like Freezing or Black Lagoon, the author BURNED all the needed fuel/imagination needed to finish this manga.

No offense. but I am a satisfied fan.
I mean, I disliked the result of other drama manga; like how I was mad at drama like Fuuka and Iinazuke Kyoutei for the pointless trope of "putting in a girl that like the Male Character for a LONG time only to be used for some dramatic heart break". But DomeKano, it was the GIRLS that decided everything, not the male character.
Jun 10, 2020 1:27 AM
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I think that the ending should've been like this:

WITH TIME SKIP:
everything goes just as in the manga but when Rui says she's moving out, Natsuo opposes and in the night goes into Rui's Room. They Start talking and she says just what she said in the extra manga chapter
RUI: I wanna give your space so you feel like a real couple
NATSUO: Please don't go. I want you to be around. After all, We're a Family.
RUI: How can we be, you're married to Hina
NATSUO: That doesn't mean that i don't love you. Even if I'm married, I consider both of you as my wives. We have a child.
RUI: It's Impossible
NATSUO: Why? Havent we gone through many complex things together. Rui, I fell in love with both of you and i love both of you equally.
Rui: It's not like i don't love you but we can't live together, What about Hina? You're her husband

**Rui continues to oppose but then out of nowhere Hina comes into the room.**

HINA: Rui, Me and Natsuo have decided we want you to stay. i don't want to steal him from you, I want you to be happy as well. After all, I did so much work to get you guys together. I also want you to be with the person you love.

**Rui starts crying. After a while, She grabs Natsuo's Pinky finger and says:

RUI: You Sure? I wil start treating him like my Husband as well
Hina: Of Course I'm sure Silly

Just like this, The three of them start living toghther and the ending scene should be like this: The go for a picnic. Rui holding Natsuo's Arm (LEFT SIDE) and Natsuo has his baby in his arms and hina's holding his hand (Right Side). In the Night, While Rui's putting their baby to sleep, Natsuo enters the room and sits on the bed with Rui. When she falls asleep, They start talking and:
RUI: Hey Natsuo, Did you really meant what you said to me?
Natsuo: I meant every word of it

**Natsuo takes the half locket from her neck and puts it on his neck**

NATSUO: You three are my whole world

**Suddenly, Rui kisses Natsuo out of Nowhere. Natsuo's Shocked**

RUI: What? Did you not like it?
NATSUO: No, Not at all. I loved it. I was just shocked 'Cause it was our first kiss in a while.

**Natsuo Starts kissing Rui**

**In the night, When Natsuo goes to bed, Hina crawls into his bed out of Nowhere**

NATSUO: What are you doing Hina? (Asks shockingly)
HINA: Well, You were kissing Rui, So i would be lying if i said i wasn't a little jealous.

**Natsuo starts laughing (Quietly) and looks at hina's cute jealous face and kisses her too.**

In the End, All four of them live together

WITHOUT TIME SKIP:
Hina's Nearly dead neurons start waking up when Rui says that she can't marry Natsuo 'Cause she could hear their voices in her head. She wants her sister to live happily. Miraculously, Hina wakes up in just 2 weeks and starts getting better (Able to talk and walk) in 2 months and the rest goes as in the time skip but this script proves that the time skip wasn't really needed

I need your opinion man. What do you think about my Script?
Jun 10, 2020 5:27 AM
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I'm team Hina but yeah i think there is something missing from the ending, maybe it's because the timeskip is just too much so we don't get to see how Natsuo and Hina's relationship grow after Hina awake. Or maybe because nothing really happens after they get married no new baby or something... just a book/novel titled "domestic na kanojo" and it just end.

But overall it's still a really good manga, and still have a special place in my heart. Props to Kei for giving us an amazing romance manga.
Jun 10, 2020 8:34 AM

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DID THIS FUCKING GARBAGE MANGA GOT ENDED OR WTF ? ITS NOT LISTED AS COMPLETED IN MAL SOMEONE ANSWER ME BEFORE I BUST.
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Jun 10, 2020 10:27 AM
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Not "he did". She did...

I apologize for saying the wrong gender
Jun 10, 2020 12:26 PM

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I enjoy being a part of the few who liked it and was able to talk in detail about it. Everything came full-circle, even if it didn't have the best delivery, but chapter 276 & the following 276.2 in particular actually delivered given the amount of time Sasuga Kei had to work with.

Climax arc overall was also quite enjoyable for me as it played-off a major already established plot-point taking part in the "prologue" (ch 1-71/anime adaptation) which set the rest of the story in motion. The very thing that made Hina & Natsuo have to separate early on threaten his future once again came to haunt them, with Hina once again working in the background(this time with my man Kiriya) to protect Natsuo's future. She once again pays a great price for it, but it's also the catalyst to reveal all the feelings she's been suppressing for so long and this time and while it separated the two the 1st time, this time it brings 'em together again.

You could've executed it better sure, perhaps 2-3 more chapters would've been nice as well, I'd loose track of how many endings of anime & manga end up being botched up to the point where you can't even call 'em actual endings. This one was at least conclusive, the characters' actions made perfect sense if you've been paying attention to the story up 'till now and as I've already mentioned, the events that set things into motion was build off an already established plot-point ~ bringing back Tanabe was also a nice touch.

My biggest complaint about the ending arc would be the amount of time skips, and how lengthy they are as I feel that less years would've sufficed. Hina could've also been in a coma for like 1y initially or a few months and you could've reached the same conclusion. I get why Sasuga did it, because she probably wanted Haruka to be born & grow a bit to show that Natsuo & Rui were still being responsible parents despite no longer being in together in the romantic-sense and perhaps to show the gratitude Natsuo had towards Hina's by taking care of her all these years. Alas, I'd rather the accidental pregnancy never happened and everything else could've stayed almost the same, just a much shorter time in the hospital for Hina. But overall I'm still pretty happy with what we got.

I also just wanna say that I'd never let the opinions of the masses influence my thoughts on something, a lesson that's been drilled into me during the years I've been into anime & manga. I'll consider them, sure, but doesn't mean I have to agree with them. Sometimes I may align with 'em , sometimes not ~ 'tis just how it goes ~ and I'm sure all of us have been in that position at some point.
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I did really enjoy the manga as a whole but I completely agree that this ending was trash. Infact, a wise man once said: "This ending was like being 10-1 up in a football match then for no reason you decide to play golden goal, and score an own goal."
Aug 1, 2020 7:50 PM
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Shi-no-tenshi said:
I think that the ending should've been like this:

WITH TIME SKIP:
everything goes just as in the manga but when Rui says she's moving out, Natsuo opposes and in the night goes into Rui's Room. They Start talking and she says just what she said in the extra manga chapter
RUI: I wanna give your space so you feel like a real couple
NATSUO: Please don't go. I want you to be around. After all, We're a Family.
RUI: How can we be, you're married to Hina
NATSUO: That doesn't mean that i don't love you. Even if I'm married, I consider both of you as my wives. We have a child.
RUI: It's Impossible
NATSUO: Why? Havent we gone through many complex things together. Rui, I fell in love with both of you and i love both of you equally.
Rui: It's not like i don't love you but we can't live together, What about Hina? You're her husband

**Rui continues to oppose but then out of nowhere Hina comes into the room.**

HINA: Rui, Me and Natsuo have decided we want you to stay. i don't want to steal him from you, I want you to be happy as well. After all, I did so much work to get you guys together. I also want you to be with the person you love.

**Rui starts crying. After a while, She grabs Natsuo's Pinky finger and says:

RUI: You Sure? I wil start treating him like my Husband as well
Hina: Of Course I'm sure Silly

Just like this, The three of them start living toghther and the ending scene should be like this: The go for a picnic. Rui holding Natsuo's Arm (LEFT SIDE) and Natsuo has his baby in his arms and hina's holding his hand (Right Side). In the Night, While Rui's putting their baby to sleep, Natsuo enters the room and sits on the bed with Rui. When she falls asleep, They start talking and:
RUI: Hey Natsuo, Did you really meant what you said to me?
Natsuo: I meant every word of it

**Natsuo takes the half locket from her neck and puts it on his neck**

NATSUO: You three are my whole world

**Suddenly, Rui kisses Natsuo out of Nowhere. Natsuo's Shocked**

RUI: What? Did you not like it?
NATSUO: No, Not at all. I loved it. I was just shocked 'Cause it was our first kiss in a while.

**Natsuo Starts kissing Rui**

**In the night, When Natsuo goes to bed, Hina crawls into his bed out of Nowhere**

NATSUO: What are you doing Hina? (Asks shockingly)
HINA: Well, You were kissing Rui, So i would be lying if i said i wasn't a little jealous.

**Natsuo starts laughing (Quietly) and looks at hina's cute jealous face and kisses her too.**

In the End, All four of them live together

WITHOUT TIME SKIP:
Hina's Nearly dead neurons start waking up when Rui says that she can't marry Natsuo 'Cause she could hear their voices in her head. She wants her sister to live happily. Miraculously, Hina wakes up in just 2 weeks and starts getting better (Able to talk and walk) in 2 months and the rest goes as in the time skip but this script proves that the time skip wasn't really needed

I need your opinion man. What do you think about my Script?


Man, for me, this would have been perfect. I even made a post over the matter.
I guess the perfect ending would be the 3 of them to acknologe they all love each other and want to be happy together. Have a non monagamous relationship and give Haruka 2 mothers. That would have been great. The ending we got is a little messed up, but i think that the author might have though about the possibility, otherwise i don't think she would go so far and make them live together and so on
Aug 1, 2020 9:11 PM

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Yeah, the end was just bullshit, i was TeamHina, but if Rui would have won to make the end better i could have lived with it better than i now do ^^
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I'm just really angry ... I started being angry when Rui was going to new york and said to Hina: Hey I wanna be selfish don't try to make me cry! like what the fuck the evil one was always Rui who was pushing and kissing Natsu even when he was with Hina ! and when Hina dumbed Natsu for his future she knew that her sister still loves him but she pushed more! okay if you love him but think about your sister and family she is so selfish during all the manga when Natsu couldn't write she left him !! Like what the fuck child you just care about yourself ! and the author, in the end, make Natsu run for Rui to New york !!! Hina who supported was forgotten but Rui who is like a child he runs after her... The things were unbelievable and the author made Hina's life like hell .... I wished Natsu got exposed really because he didn't even try to talk once to Hina about what happened he was arrogant and tried to ignore everything because he was afraid he was stuck he knew that Hina is better but he always chose Rui the dumb one who was so arrogant to her sister ...

and in the end marriage to Hina like she was so pitiful and she just has a gift for being crushed by a car !! Really this is dumb it made me really angry to make her like a miserable one who needs their pity ! the author preferred always Rui but he knew that he did many things unforgivable to Hina he didn't know how to make things good without making Rui miserable ! in the ned he made her sacrifice her husband to her sister!
If Hina was dead it was better for me than this bullshit s ! I'm really angry
Aug 5, 2020 6:10 PM

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Anything would have been better than what we got. Even just leaving out the coma and pregnancy would have made it tolerably okay. Something crazy like a harem ending wouldn't have been out of place for a series like this.
Aug 9, 2020 1:08 AM
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So I finished reading this manga and how do I feel angry, disappointed,sad
This feelings are not only for the ending but how the author portrayed the characters.The MC Natsuo is a total trash.At 1st I liked the manga very much and I got well connected with the characters but the ending ruined everything.Its completely illogical..when Rui was in NY Su told Natsuo that Hina still loves Natsuo wholeheartedly but however Natsuo did the right thing and chose to be with Rui..Then Rui got pregnant and they decided to get married and now the cafe manager came and tells the same thing that Hina loves Natsuo but this time Natsuo doesn't think about the future of Rui and his daughter but choses Hina...and the main prb is if the author intended to end up the MC with Hina then why spend so much time on showing how perfect couple Rui and Natsuo are and when everyone accepted them the SH*T HAPPENS
Aug 9, 2020 8:01 AM

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Razuke- said:
The ending skipped the time by a lot and basically now Natsuo is married with Hina but has a baby with her sister Rui.
I am honestly wondering what the hell was the author thinking whilst writing this ending, like oh well the manga is going well let's ruin it
In the chapter 275-276 it just went from Natsuo proposing to Hina in coma and next he f**ks Rui, bruh wtf, at this point get both and do a harem


He didn't have sex with Rui after marrying Hina, are you dumb? The extra chapter with Rui is literally called "Memories with Rui", it's a flashback to when Haruka was conceived. The ending makes sense, you just clearly can't read.
Aug 9, 2020 8:03 AM

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khouloudre said:
I'm just really angry ... I started being angry when Rui was going to new york and said to Hina: Hey I wanna be selfish don't try to make me cry! like what the fuck the evil one was always Rui who was pushing and kissing Natsu even when he was with Hina ! and when Hina dumbed Natsu for his future she knew that her sister still loves him but she pushed more! okay if you love him but think about your sister and family she is so selfish during all the manga when Natsu couldn't write she left him !! Like what the fuck child you just care about yourself ! and the author, in the end, make Natsu run for Rui to New york !!! Hina who supported was forgotten but Rui who is like a child he runs after her... The things were unbelievable and the author made Hina's life like hell .... I wished Natsu got exposed really because he didn't even try to talk once to Hina about what happened he was arrogant and tried to ignore everything because he was afraid he was stuck he knew that Hina is better but he always chose Rui the dumb one who was so arrogant to her sister ...

and in the end marriage to Hina like she was so pitiful and she just has a gift for being crushed by a car !! Really this is dumb it made me really angry to make her like a miserable one who needs their pity ! the author preferred always Rui but he knew that he did many things unforgivable to Hina he didn't know how to make things good without making Rui miserable ! in the ned he made her sacrifice her husband to her sister!
If Hina was dead it was better for me than this bullshit s ! I'm really angry


1. The author Kei Sasuga is a woman
2. If she hated Hina, she wouldn't have made her character so complex and she wouldn't have had her and Natsuo get married.
Aug 9, 2020 8:04 AM

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Dantarez said:
Shi-no-tenshi said:
I think that the ending should've been like this:

WITH TIME SKIP:
everything goes just as in the manga but when Rui says she's moving out, Natsuo opposes and in the night goes into Rui's Room. They Start talking and she says just what she said in the extra manga chapter
RUI: I wanna give your space so you feel like a real couple
NATSUO: Please don't go. I want you to be around. After all, We're a Family.
RUI: How can we be, you're married to Hina
NATSUO: That doesn't mean that i don't love you. Even if I'm married, I consider both of you as my wives. We have a child.
RUI: It's Impossible
NATSUO: Why? Havent we gone through many complex things together. Rui, I fell in love with both of you and i love both of you equally.
Rui: It's not like i don't love you but we can't live together, What about Hina? You're her husband

**Rui continues to oppose but then out of nowhere Hina comes into the room.**

HINA: Rui, Me and Natsuo have decided we want you to stay. i don't want to steal him from you, I want you to be happy as well. After all, I did so much work to get you guys together. I also want you to be with the person you love.

**Rui starts crying. After a while, She grabs Natsuo's Pinky finger and says:

RUI: You Sure? I wil start treating him like my Husband as well
Hina: Of Course I'm sure Silly

Just like this, The three of them start living toghther and the ending scene should be like this: The go for a picnic. Rui holding Natsuo's Arm (LEFT SIDE) and Natsuo has his baby in his arms and hina's holding his hand (Right Side). In the Night, While Rui's putting their baby to sleep, Natsuo enters the room and sits on the bed with Rui. When she falls asleep, They start talking and:
RUI: Hey Natsuo, Did you really meant what you said to me?
Natsuo: I meant every word of it

**Natsuo takes the half locket from her neck and puts it on his neck**

NATSUO: You three are my whole world

**Suddenly, Rui kisses Natsuo out of Nowhere. Natsuo's Shocked**

RUI: What? Did you not like it?
NATSUO: No, Not at all. I loved it. I was just shocked 'Cause it was our first kiss in a while.

**Natsuo Starts kissing Rui**

**In the night, When Natsuo goes to bed, Hina crawls into his bed out of Nowhere**

NATSUO: What are you doing Hina? (Asks shockingly)
HINA: Well, You were kissing Rui, So i would be lying if i said i wasn't a little jealous.

**Natsuo starts laughing (Quietly) and looks at hina's cute jealous face and kisses her too.**

In the End, All four of them live together

WITHOUT TIME SKIP:
Hina's Nearly dead neurons start waking up when Rui says that she can't marry Natsuo 'Cause she could hear their voices in her head. She wants her sister to live happily. Miraculously, Hina wakes up in just 2 weeks and starts getting better (Able to talk and walk) in 2 months and the rest goes as in the time skip but this script proves that the time skip wasn't really needed

I need your opinion man. What do you think about my Script?


Man, for me, this would have been perfect. I even made a post over the matter.
I guess the perfect ending would be the 3 of them to acknologe they all love each other and want to be happy together. Have a non monagamous relationship and give Haruka 2 mothers. That would have been great. The ending we got is a little messed up, but i think that the author might have though about the possibility, otherwise i don't think she would go so far and make them live together and so on


Thing is, having multiple wives is illegal in Japan. Natsuo did the right thing.
Aug 13, 2020 6:36 AM
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Well after reading all the comments I've been dieing to ask if I should continue to read this or not . I've just completed reading minamoto-kun monogatari and been dissatisfaction by it ending and hopping to find a good series and stubbled onto this one
So can anyone pls tell me is it a good read?
Aug 16, 2020 9:22 AM
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Littlegaint said:
Well after reading all the comments I've been dieing to ask if I should continue to read this or not . I've just completed reading minamoto-kun monogatari and been dissatisfaction by it ending and hopping to find a good series and stubbled onto this one
So can anyone pls tell me is it a good read?


It is if you read it without Rui shipping goggles and can understand why Hina's the ultimate one for Natsuo.

People around here ship the short blue haired girl for some reason despite the fact that she's selfish as fuck and the MC turns into a total beta when with her.

Ending is also pretty unconventional, but given all the taboos and controversies in this manga, it's shouldn't be all that surprising tbh.
Aug 18, 2020 1:37 AM
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I enjoyed it tho tbh.
Tho many dislike or hate the ending (i think its trashy too) but its perfect to put everyone at ease because throughout the story you only feel horny and uneasiness to how things are going around in their relationship.
(Im a newbie to giving feedback or something)
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deviantSPIRIT said:
KingsGlaive42 said:
Even though I'm team Rui, I wouldn't have mind if team Hina won. The problem was that the story deteriorated severely and had such a terrible ending. If the author wanted Team Hina to win, than he should have done it in a better way than he did.


your right. i hated it how the story showed a teribble way of how natsuo ended up with hana. same side im in team rui, thats just how i really hated the ending. i was so confused. pretty much pissed. still rating it a solid 8 based on how natsuo and rui s relationship was so memorable for me. (i do be bias. LMAOO)


You can't even get Hina's name right, no wonder you didn't understand the ending
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deviantSPIRIT said:


your right. i hated it how the story showed a teribble way of how natsuo ended up with hana. same side im in team rui, thats just how i really hated the ending. i was so confused. pretty much pissed. still rating it a solid 8 based on how natsuo and rui s relationship was so memorable for me. (i do be bias. LMAOO)


You can't even get Hina's name right, no wonder you didn't understand the ending


lmao chillaz...
I have given my thoughts to the ending cause I just basically finished it. But come to think of it iv alr understood. I was just really too absorbed in being sides with the “rui” relationship with natsuo. Because the part where she said “The pain they felt was for nothing right?“ (not accurate. forgot what she precisely said to him when they broke up) made me feel more for rui, because then at the end natsuo chased for her when she got harassed in her job back in new york.

Their dates just felt so adorable, i just felt like id be happy if itd continue. But looking back. I actually pretty much liked the ending. I feel happy how it ended. When natsuo waited years? months? (forgot) for hina to wake up from her coma. And yadda yadda they got married pretty much. Im lazy to type. but there...
just chill. You might just oppose to everything i say. pft-

literally to what i said. There i quote "LMAO i do be bias". Like bro, DADDY chill.. why so serious..

(updated for grammar errors, id just fkin leave it. i mean who gives a shit huh? bheehhe- )
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I finished it yesterday too, not a big fan about that ending.

I think the biggest problem was that there were two clear winners without a huge difference between them from the beginning. I don't know how the author was thinking but it was sad. We had strong moments, , memorable character for me ( Rui ) and good develops but with no a good ending.

A car crash in a shop showcase? Seriously now. Plot twist, they are all dead and we just read Sensei's novel that passed away.

Sorry for my bad English, i hope don't be so bad as the ending xD
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Clubby said:
Dantarez said:


Man, for me, this would have been perfect. I even made a post over the matter.
I guess the perfect ending would be the 3 of them to acknologe they all love each other and want to be happy together. Have a non monagamous relationship and give Haruka 2 mothers. That would have been great. The ending we got is a little messed up, but i think that the author might have though about the possibility, otherwise i don't think she would go so far and make them live together and so on


Thing is, having multiple wives is illegal in Japan. Natsuo did the right thing.


Man, to be honest with you, I guess in the end that was the thing. Seems to me that the author did not want to clearly cross that line, which for me does not make any sense considering how much lines had been crossed already...
But also, I believe in the end the 3 were together. It does not make sense to think that for all those years Natsuo and Rui would live without being together. And even if Rui wants to give them some space, Hina tells her he should actually stay with them. Hina surely understands they have been living together these years and the point is that everyone seems to be ok with the new type of family they have. That's the ending for me anyways
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Dantarez said:
Clubby said:


Thing is, having multiple wives is illegal in Japan. Natsuo did the right thing.


Man, to be honest with you, I guess in the end that was the thing. Seems to me that the author did not want to clearly cross that line, which for me does not make any sense considering how much lines had been crossed already...
But also, I believe in the end the 3 were together. It does not make sense to think that for all those years Natsuo and Rui would live without being together. And even if Rui wants to give them some space, Hina tells her he should actually stay with them. Hina surely understands they have been living together these years and the point is that everyone seems to be ok with the new type of family they have. That's the ending for me anyways


Hina, Natsuo and Rui lived together for a while, but Natsuo and Rui weren't romantically involved with each other after they broke up.
Jun 16, 2021 9:10 AM
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I didnt like the ending because of him having a child with rui and then just choosing hina because she got in a coma. I mean what the fuck is wrong with you, your gonna be a father!!! I feel bad for the child because one day the child will know that his father chose the mothers sister when rui was pregnant with him
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THE MC IS PRETTY MUCH A VERY VERY VERY IRESPONSIBLE PERSON AND now the ending is trash why you may ask?
• He had a child with rui
• guy propose to hina because of her being in a car crash
• It is quite iresponsible of a oerson he is when he wanted to dedicated his life to rui just to change his mind. If you are not sure then dont do things that you arent sure. Because in the future your just gonna give hope to someone else just to crush that hope.
• If your gonna be a father you shouldnt run away and just take responsibility for the actions youve done.
• there are so many things that are wrong with the ending, even if we arent rui shippers we should know that these are important too you know?
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THE MC IS PRETTY MUCH A VERY VERY VERY IRESPONSIBLE PERSON AND now the ending is trash why you may ask?
• He had a child with rui
• guy propose to hina because of her being in a car crash
• It is quite iresponsible of a oerson he is when he wanted to dedicated his life to rui just to change his mind. If you are not sure then dont do things that you arent sure. Because in the future your just gonna give hope to someone else just to crush that hope.
• If your gonna be a father you shouldnt run away and just take responsibility for the actions youve done.
• there are so many things that are wrong with the ending, even if we arent rui shippers we should know that these are important too you know?

I do agree. He should’ve manned up and taken responsibility. What happened to the conviction he had to make Rui happy and marry her just a few chapters prior. Believe me, it bugs me as well. My own rant is just below this
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I finished the manga yesterday. I don’t like the ending either and it left me feeling hollow and dissatisfied. I didn’t like how Hina’s obsessive behavior was awarded in the end. I understand that she’s been through a lot but she’s been relatively static compared to the growth that Natsuo and Rui have had while they were together. Natsuo has learned to move on and it would be healthy if she had too. That’s easier said than done, but still. I didn’t like how easily Rui give up and gave into guilt. I know she must’ve thought long and hard about her decision, but none of that was shown and it makes it seem like it was a hasty decision she made because she felt bad for Hina. Her confidence and assertiveness that she had gained over the last few years seemed to disappear. I didn’t like how little dialogue, either spoken or internal, from Natsuo we got. He just seemed very passive and lost the conviction, love, and determination that he had displayed prior when showing his intentions to marry Rui. I just wish that they hadn’t thrown all of the themes and character growth out of the window for this finale. There was potential for it to be decent, but there was something missing. I wanted Rui to win, but if the actual ending with Hina had been just a tad longer with more dialogue to explain all of their feelings and intentions better, I would’ve been more accepting of it. Instead I’m left discontent with a bitter taste in my mouth and tears in my eyes from knowing that many, if not all of the ways, this could’ve turned out, someone or everyone was going to end up at least somewhat unhappy. They all loved each other so much and they made the decisions they thought would make everyone as happy as they could be. I may not agree with the choices made, but the human heart is delicate, emotions can be volatile and tough to deal with, and in the real world, perfect fairy tale endings where nobody walks out unhurt do not exist.
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I didnt like the ending because of him having a child with rui and then just choosing hina because she got in a coma. I mean what the fuck is wrong with you, your gonna be a father!!! I feel bad for the child because one day the child will know that his father chose the mothers sister when rui was pregnant with him


Let's clear some things up.

1. His child was Rui was accidental, the condom broke, and it was Daniella who gave Rui the old condom.

2. He didn't choose Hina because she got run over, she chose her because he finally got the truth that he wanted to know back when she first left, had he known this at any time, he would've gone back to Hina, hence why Rui tried to keep it a secret for so long.

3. Natsuo practically raised Haruka while Rui spent her time at work. Rui was always busy, so Natsuo had to take care of both Hina and Haruka while also doing his work. You can't call him irresponsible when he did more for Haruka than Rui did.
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I finished the manga yesterday. I don’t like the ending either and it left me feeling hollow and dissatisfied. I didn’t like how Hina’s obsessive behavior was awarded in the end. I understand that she’s been through a lot but she’s been relatively static compared to the growth that Natsuo and Rui have had while they were together. Natsuo has learned to move on and it would be healthy if she had too. That’s easier said than done, but still. I didn’t like how easily Rui give up and gave into guilt. I know she must’ve thought long and hard about her decision, but none of that was shown and it makes it seem like it was a hasty decision she made because she felt bad for Hina. Her confidence and assertiveness that she had gained over the last few years seemed to disappear. I didn’t like how little dialogue, either spoken or internal, from Natsuo we got. He just seemed very passive and lost the conviction, love, and determination that he had displayed prior when showing his intentions to marry Rui. I just wish that they hadn’t thrown all of the themes and character growth out of the window for this finale. There was potential for it to be decent, but there was something missing. I wanted Rui to win, but if the actual ending with Hina had been just a tad longer with more dialogue to explain all of their feelings and intentions better, I would’ve been more accepting of it. Instead I’m left discontent with a bitter taste in my mouth and tears in my eyes from knowing that many, if not all of the ways, this could’ve turned out, someone or everyone was going to end up at least somewhat unhappy. They all loved each other so much and they made the decisions they thought would make everyone as happy as they could be. I may not agree with the choices made, but the human heart is delicate, emotions can be volatile and tough to deal with, and in the real world, perfect fairy tale endings where nobody walks out unhurt do not exist.


And here we go again, with all due respect, I just have to start this off with a "You just read the series wrong".
From what I could gather, you tunnelled really hard on Natsuo and Rui's relationship, and dismissed Hina as obsessive.
That's really the worst way to go about this series, and here's why.

In the start we're presented with Natsuo who's in love with Hina. Having lost his mother at a young age, this gives him the drive to become a writer, and Hina serves as an inspiration for one of his stories. Eventually he gets to show her said story, and she gets moved, both by his talent and his drive to be successful from his writing. As a teacher she'd always been supportive of his dream, but now that she's actually a reason as to why he's working so hard for it, she can't help but notice it, and start to fall for him.
Once everything gets found out by the school, she's obviously devastated. She knows what could happen to Natsuo and his career if this goes public, so she takes all the blame and leaves, never giving herself proper closure and forcing a breakup that was never supposed to happen. She then has to force herself to say that she has no plans of getting back with him, when that's all she wanted.
Hina always tried to convince herself that Natsuo was better off without her after the breakup. She started thinking that her presence was a nuisance, and that she'd only bring misfortune if she was to get involved with him romantically, which is why she wants to be a good older sister, even before knowing that he's dating Rui.
In simple terms, Hina broke up with him for HIS sake. Keep that in mind.

Next is Rui. She starts off as this shy girl who doesn't really know her place in society, but she does know that she wants to be seen as an adult to understand Hina's actions with Shuu. So she has sex with Natsuo and you know the rest.
Her immaturity shines when Hina first leaves, Natsuo is depressed about it, and she takes the opportunity to go and tell him "what if Hina never comes back, will you wait for her forever", essentially telling him "stop chasing after her, come be with me", and she eventually uses Alex as a means to get Natsuo jealous, and it works.
Flash forward to chapter 216, Rui breaks up with him out of the blue. Why? because she wants to work on herself. She's breaking up with him for her own reasons, leaving him in the dumps when he was already at a low point, having hit a writers block not long prior.
But does she care? No, since she doesn't understand his dream like Hina does. To her, whether Natsuo is able to write is of little importance, she doesn't care if he can write or not. She wants him, but not everything about him.

While Hina loves him for his person, his motivation for his dreams and his love and care for those around him, Rui essentially loved him because her sister did too, and Rui got jealous and wanted what Hina had.

The ending gives the ultimate character development when looking at it from this angle.

Hina goes from a girl who holds back on everything out of the fear of being a nuisance, to a girl who can finally accept the love she's being given, finally accepting to be happy herself instead of putting others' happiness before her own

Rui goes from a selfish girl who'll do anything to keep her sinking love to a girl who finally realises what she's done and the order of importance in her life, how she alreay has a daughter, and how her sister's happiness means so much to her, especially given what happened.

Hope this clears it up, if not, try reading u/MgMaster's posts on the domekano subreddit, he has a great way of explaining things and making them very easy to understand.
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masterwinner21 said:
I finished the manga yesterday. I don’t like the ending either and it left me feeling hollow and dissatisfied. I didn’t like how Hina’s obsessive behavior was awarded in the end. I understand that she’s been through a lot but she’s been relatively static compared to the growth that Natsuo and Rui have had while they were together. Natsuo has learned to move on and it would be healthy if she had too. That’s easier said than done, but still. I didn’t like how easily Rui give up and gave into guilt. I know she must’ve thought long and hard about her decision, but none of that was shown and it makes it seem like it was a hasty decision she made because she felt bad for Hina. Her confidence and assertiveness that she had gained over the last few years seemed to disappear. I didn’t like how little dialogue, either spoken or internal, from Natsuo we got. He just seemed very passive and lost the conviction, love, and determination that he had displayed prior when showing his intentions to marry Rui. I just wish that they hadn’t thrown all of the themes and character growth out of the window for this finale. There was potential for it to be decent, but there was something missing. I wanted Rui to win, but if the actual ending with Hina had been just a tad longer with more dialogue to explain all of their feelings and intentions better, I would’ve been more accepting of it. Instead I’m left discontent with a bitter taste in my mouth and tears in my eyes from knowing that many, if not all of the ways, this could’ve turned out, someone or everyone was going to end up at least somewhat unhappy. They all loved each other so much and they made the decisions they thought would make everyone as happy as they could be. I may not agree with the choices made, but the human heart is delicate, emotions can be volatile and tough to deal with, and in the real world, perfect fairy tale endings where nobody walks out unhurt do not exist.


And here we go again, with all due respect, I just have to start this off with a "You just read the series wrong".
From what I could gather, you tunnelled really hard on Natsuo and Rui's relationship, and dismissed Hina as obsessive.
That's really the worst way to go about this series, and here's why.

In the start we're presented with Natsuo who's in love with Hina. Having lost his mother at a young age, this gives him the drive to become a writer, and Hina serves as an inspiration for one of his stories. Eventually he gets to show her said story, and she gets moved, both by his talent and his drive to be successful from his writing. As a teacher she'd always been supportive of his dream, but now that she's actually a reason as to why he's working so hard for it, she can't help but notice it, and start to fall for him.
Once everything gets found out by the school, she's obviously devastated. She knows what could happen to Natsuo and his career if this goes public, so she takes all the blame and leaves, never giving herself proper closure and forcing a breakup that was never supposed to happen. She then has to force herself to say that she has no plans of getting back with him, when that's all she wanted.
Hina always tried to convince herself that Natsuo was better off without her after the breakup. She started thinking that her presence was a nuisance, and that she'd only bring misfortune if she was to get involved with him romantically, which is why she wants to be a good older sister, even before knowing that he's dating Rui.
In simple terms, Hina broke up with him for HIS sake. Keep that in mind.

Next is Rui. She starts off as this shy girl who doesn't really know her place in society, but she does know that she wants to be seen as an adult to understand Hina's actions with Shuu. So she has sex with Natsuo and you know the rest.
Her immaturity shines when Hina first leaves, Natsuo is depressed about it, and she takes the opportunity to go and tell him "what if Hina never comes back, will you wait for her forever", essentially telling him "stop chasing after her, come be with me", and she eventually uses Alex as a means to get Natsuo jealous, and it works.
Flash forward to chapter 216, Rui breaks up with him out of the blue. Why? because she wants to work on herself. She's breaking up with him for her own reasons, leaving him in the dumps when he was already at a low point, having hit a writers block not long prior.
But does she care? No, since she doesn't understand his dream like Hina does. To her, whether Natsuo is able to write is of little importance, she doesn't care if he can write or not. She wants him, but not everything about him.

While Hina loves him for his person, his motivation for his dreams and his love and care for those around him, Rui essentially loved him because her sister did too, and Rui got jealous and wanted what Hina had.

The ending gives the ultimate character development when looking at it from this angle.

Hina goes from a girl who holds back on everything out of the fear of being a nuisance, to a girl who can finally accept the love she's being given, finally accepting to be happy herself instead of putting others' happiness before her own

Rui goes from a selfish girl who'll do anything to keep her sinking love to a girl who finally realises what she's done and the order of importance in her life, how she alreay has a daughter, and how her sister's happiness means so much to her, especially given what happened.

Hope this clears it up, if not, try reading u/MgMaster's posts on the domekano subreddit, he has a great way of explaining things and making them very easy to understand.

I don’t know if I’d say that Hina was able to accept the love that she was given and accepted to be happy. Masaki told Natsuo himself that she put her own happiness aside for his sake. I think that Hina did her best to convince herself that she would be happy but it’s very clear how miserable she was. She just became very good at hiding it.
As for the other points, I think I just have a different viewpoint of the kind of love I think a relationship needs. The completely selfless nature of Hina is praiseworthy, but something about their relationship where they’re willing to sacrifice literally everything for each other doesn’t set right with me. I’m sure you could argue that it’s true unconditional love, and that’s fair too. But I think that since Rui and Natsuo were together far longer than him and Hina, they learned to love in a deeper way that is a bit more profound than Hina’s love for Natsuo’s dreams and his character. Rui got to see the ups and downs of Natsuo’s life and their relationship and how he responded. I think that at the end of the day she loves him for all that he is, his shortcomings included.

I think that Rui and Natsuo’s relationship more properly reflects how I think things should be. Relationships are full of compromises, full of ups and downs. That’s what helps people grow. Rui is more aware of what’s going on than Natsuo. Back when she limited their dates to once per month she noticed that she was becoming too emotionally dependent on him and he with her and she wanted to change that. She is searching for a love where each person’s happiness and ability to solve their own problems is not completely dependent on the other person. And I agree. It serves as a contrast to Hina where it feels that she’s directly tied her happiness to Natsuo and she can’t be happy by herself. A similar thing happened when Rui broke up with him. It wasn’t all for her sake and I don’t believe it to be as selfish as some say. She was the one who noticed that the distance was causing trust issues which sprouted anger and jealousy on both ends. And yes, she was hurting, but she knew that this would’ve been unhealthy if it kept going, and so she did what she thought was best. She didn’t break up with him so she could go have fun or date another guy, but so that their problems wouldn’t worsen and fester and so she could work some things out herself. Just as Natsuo has his dreams and independence, so does Rui. And she shouldn’t feel obligated like Hina to give up everything for Natsuo and should be able to act on her own. And although she could’ve made a better decision than breaking up, she did what she thought would be best in a moment of hurt.

Anyways I hope this helps you at least understand where I’m coming from. I’m not really trying to change the way that you’ve interpreted and read the story, because if our own opinions vary this much then it probably would take too much time and writing for me to believe what you do or vice versa.
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And here we go again, with all due respect, I just have to start this off with a "You just read the series wrong".
From what I could gather, you tunnelled really hard on Natsuo and Rui's relationship, and dismissed Hina as obsessive.
That's really the worst way to go about this series, and here's why.

In the start we're presented with Natsuo who's in love with Hina. Having lost his mother at a young age, this gives him the drive to become a writer, and Hina serves as an inspiration for one of his stories. Eventually he gets to show her said story, and she gets moved, both by his talent and his drive to be successful from his writing. As a teacher she'd always been supportive of his dream, but now that she's actually a reason as to why he's working so hard for it, she can't help but notice it, and start to fall for him.
Once everything gets found out by the school, she's obviously devastated. She knows what could happen to Natsuo and his career if this goes public, so she takes all the blame and leaves, never giving herself proper closure and forcing a breakup that was never supposed to happen. She then has to force herself to say that she has no plans of getting back with him, when that's all she wanted.
Hina always tried to convince herself that Natsuo was better off without her after the breakup. She started thinking that her presence was a nuisance, and that she'd only bring misfortune if she was to get involved with him romantically, which is why she wants to be a good older sister, even before knowing that he's dating Rui.
In simple terms, Hina broke up with him for HIS sake. Keep that in mind.

Next is Rui. She starts off as this shy girl who doesn't really know her place in society, but she does know that she wants to be seen as an adult to understand Hina's actions with Shuu. So she has sex with Natsuo and you know the rest.
Her immaturity shines when Hina first leaves, Natsuo is depressed about it, and she takes the opportunity to go and tell him "what if Hina never comes back, will you wait for her forever", essentially telling him "stop chasing after her, come be with me", and she eventually uses Alex as a means to get Natsuo jealous, and it works.
Flash forward to chapter 216, Rui breaks up with him out of the blue. Why? because she wants to work on herself. She's breaking up with him for her own reasons, leaving him in the dumps when he was already at a low point, having hit a writers block not long prior.
But does she care? No, since she doesn't understand his dream like Hina does. To her, whether Natsuo is able to write is of little importance, she doesn't care if he can write or not. She wants him, but not everything about him.

While Hina loves him for his person, his motivation for his dreams and his love and care for those around him, Rui essentially loved him because her sister did too, and Rui got jealous and wanted what Hina had.

The ending gives the ultimate character development when looking at it from this angle.

Hina goes from a girl who holds back on everything out of the fear of being a nuisance, to a girl who can finally accept the love she's being given, finally accepting to be happy herself instead of putting others' happiness before her own

Rui goes from a selfish girl who'll do anything to keep her sinking love to a girl who finally realises what she's done and the order of importance in her life, how she alreay has a daughter, and how her sister's happiness means so much to her, especially given what happened.

Hope this clears it up, if not, try reading u/MgMaster's posts on the domekano subreddit, he has a great way of explaining things and making them very easy to understand.

I don’t know if I’d say that Hina was able to accept the love that she was given and accepted to be happy. Masaki told Natsuo himself that she put her own happiness aside for his sake. I think that Hina did her best to convince herself that she would be happy but it’s very clear how miserable she was. She just became very good at hiding it.
As for the other points, I think I just have a different viewpoint of the kind of love I think a relationship needs. The completely selfless nature of Hina is praiseworthy, but something about their relationship where they’re willing to sacrifice literally everything for each other doesn’t set right with me. I’m sure you could argue that it’s true unconditional love, and that’s fair too. But I think that since Rui and Natsuo were together far longer than him and Hina, they learned to love in a deeper way that is a bit more profound than Hina’s love for Natsuo’s dreams and his character. Rui got to see the ups and downs of Natsuo’s life and their relationship and how he responded. I think that at the end of the day she loves him for all that he is, his shortcomings included.

I think that Rui and Natsuo’s relationship more properly reflects how I think things should be. Relationships are full of compromises, full of ups and downs. That’s what helps people grow. Rui is more aware of what’s going on than Natsuo. Back when she limited their dates to once per month she noticed that she was becoming too emotionally dependent on him and he with her and she wanted to change that. She is searching for a love where each person’s happiness and ability to solve their own problems is not completely dependent on the other person. And I agree. It serves as a contrast to Hina where it feels that she’s directly tied her happiness to Natsuo and she can’t be happy by herself. A similar thing happened when Rui broke up with him. It wasn’t all for her sake and I don’t believe it to be as selfish as some say. She was the one who noticed that the distance was causing trust issues which sprouted anger and jealousy on both ends. And yes, she was hurting, but she knew that this would’ve been unhealthy if it kept going, and so she did what she thought was best. She didn’t break up with him so she could go have fun or date another guy, but so that their problems wouldn’t worsen and fester and so she could work some things out herself. Just as Natsuo has his dreams and independence, so does Rui. And she shouldn’t feel obligated like Hina to give up everything for Natsuo and should be able to act on her own. And although she could’ve made a better decision than breaking up, she did what she thought would be best in a moment of hurt.

Anyways I hope this helps you at least understand where I’m coming from. I’m not really trying to change the way that you’ve interpreted and read the story, because if our own opinions vary this much then it probably would take too much time and writing for me to believe what you do or vice versa.


The thing is that Rui and Natsuo's relationship was destined to fail, just by the way it came to be. Rui gave herself a good image to Natsuo by "taking care of him" (in reality she just forced him to move on from Hina when he wasn't ready to), and so Natsuo got with Rui when he wasn't entirely sure of what he was doing. He says he loves her, but to me, that feeling only came later on, when Hina came back home and said she wanted to be a good big sister. At that point, he thought Hina was over it, so he might as well be in love with Rui.
Like Natsuo says in the ending, he always loved Hina, he had just buried his feelings because he thought she was over it. He buried his feelings, but he never truely got over it. He was even ready to build things "from the ground up again" with her, which just shows how little he knew about her true feelings.
Had he known how much she still loved him, he would've went back to her in a heartbeat.
The duration of the relationship doesn't necessarily mean it was a good one. I have a friend who was dating a girl for 2 years and they both came out of it as "worse" people, but with his new girlfriend who he really clicks with and has only been dating 6 months, he's improved alot on himself.
The big problem with natsuo and Rui's relationship was the lack of communication. They'd get into a fight over trivial matters, and Natsuo would always end up apologizing because Rui would never accept how she was sometimes in the wrong. That's a big reason why they split up the first time. Rui wanted to work on herself, but the timing for that couldn't have been worse, since it was when Natsuo needed support the most.

With Hina, there wasn't this problem. The one fight they got into was resolved before the night ended, with both of them assuming responsibility for their share of the argument, and talking it out in the onsen.

In the end, it all comes down to who was more involved with Natsuo and what he wanted. Rui was always to independant for him, he needed a pillar to support him in both his life and his goals, and Hina just so happened to be that pillar, whether they were dating or not.
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masterwinner21 said:
I finished the manga yesterday. I don’t like the ending either and it left me feeling hollow and dissatisfied. I didn’t like how Hina’s obsessive behavior was awarded in the end. I understand that she’s been through a lot but she’s been relatively static compared to the growth that Natsuo and Rui have had while they were together. Natsuo has learned to move on and it would be healthy if she had too. That’s easier said than done, but still. I didn’t like how easily Rui give up and gave into guilt. I know she must’ve thought long and hard about her decision, but none of that was shown and it makes it seem like it was a hasty decision she made because she felt bad for Hina. Her confidence and assertiveness that she had gained over the last few years seemed to disappear. I didn’t like how little dialogue, either spoken or internal, from Natsuo we got. He just seemed very passive and lost the conviction, love, and determination that he had displayed prior when showing his intentions to marry Rui. I just wish that they hadn’t thrown all of the themes and character growth out of the window for this finale. There was potential for it to be decent, but there was something missing. I wanted Rui to win, but if the actual ending with Hina had been just a tad longer with more dialogue to explain all of their feelings and intentions better, I would’ve been more accepting of it. Instead I’m left discontent with a bitter taste in my mouth and tears in my eyes from knowing that many, if not all of the ways, this could’ve turned out, someone or everyone was going to end up at least somewhat unhappy. They all loved each other so much and they made the decisions they thought would make everyone as happy as they could be. I may not agree with the choices made, but the human heart is delicate, emotions can be volatile and tough to deal with, and in the real world, perfect fairy tale endings where nobody walks out unhurt do not exist.


And here we go again, with all due respect, I just have to start this off with a "You just read the series wrong".
From what I could gather, you tunnelled really hard on Natsuo and Rui's relationship, and dismissed Hina as obsessive.
That's really the worst way to go about this series, and here's why.

In the start we're presented with Natsuo who's in love with Hina. Having lost his mother at a young age, this gives him the drive to become a writer, and Hina serves as an inspiration for one of his stories. Eventually he gets to show her said story, and she gets moved, both by his talent and his drive to be successful from his writing. As a teacher she'd always been supportive of his dream, but now that she's actually a reason as to why he's working so hard for it, she can't help but notice it, and start to fall for him.
Once everything gets found out by the school, she's obviously devastated. She knows what could happen to Natsuo and his career if this goes public, so she takes all the blame and leaves, never giving herself proper closure and forcing a breakup that was never supposed to happen. She then has to force herself to say that she has no plans of getting back with him, when that's all she wanted.
Hina always tried to convince herself that Natsuo was better off without her after the breakup. She started thinking that her presence was a nuisance, and that she'd only bring misfortune if she was to get involved with him romantically, which is why she wants to be a good older sister, even before knowing that he's dating Rui.
In simple terms, Hina broke up with him for HIS sake. Keep that in mind.

Next is Rui. She starts off as this shy girl who doesn't really know her place in society, but she does know that she wants to be seen as an adult to understand Hina's actions with Shuu. So she has sex with Natsuo and you know the rest.
Her immaturity shines when Hina first leaves, Natsuo is depressed about it, and she takes the opportunity to go and tell him "what if Hina never comes back, will you wait for her forever", essentially telling him "stop chasing after her, come be with me", and she eventually uses Alex as a means to get Natsuo jealous, and it works.
Flash forward to chapter 216, Rui breaks up with him out of the blue. Why? because she wants to work on herself. She's breaking up with him for her own reasons, leaving him in the dumps when he was already at a low point, having hit a writers block not long prior.
But does she care? No, since she doesn't understand his dream like Hina does. To her, whether Natsuo is able to write is of little importance, she doesn't care if he can write or not. She wants him, but not everything about him.

While Hina loves him for his person, his motivation for his dreams and his love and care for those around him, Rui essentially loved him because her sister did too, and Rui got jealous and wanted what Hina had.

The ending gives the ultimate character development when looking at it from this angle.

Hina goes from a girl who holds back on everything out of the fear of being a nuisance, to a girl who can finally accept the love she's being given, finally accepting to be happy herself instead of putting others' happiness before her own

Rui goes from a selfish girl who'll do anything to keep her sinking love to a girl who finally realises what she's done and the order of importance in her life, how she alreay has a daughter, and how her sister's happiness means so much to her, especially given what happened.

Hope this clears it up, if not, try reading u/MgMaster's posts on the domekano subreddit, he has a great way of explaining things and making them very easy to understand.


It's not even about reading the manga wrong we all interpreted the manga differently. If someone's interpretation is different from yours it doesn't mean they read the manga wrong. That's kind of a shitty thing to say. If everyone's interpretations and opinions were the same we wouldn't be able to learn about different perspectives or point of views. It would be dull. When it comes to interpretations and opinions there is no right or wrong answer remember that.
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And here we go again, with all due respect, I just have to start this off with a "You just read the series wrong".
From what I could gather, you tunnelled really hard on Natsuo and Rui's relationship, and dismissed Hina as obsessive.
That's really the worst way to go about this series, and here's why.

In the start we're presented with Natsuo who's in love with Hina. Having lost his mother at a young age, this gives him the drive to become a writer, and Hina serves as an inspiration for one of his stories. Eventually he gets to show her said story, and she gets moved, both by his talent and his drive to be successful from his writing. As a teacher she'd always been supportive of his dream, but now that she's actually a reason as to why he's working so hard for it, she can't help but notice it, and start to fall for him.
Once everything gets found out by the school, she's obviously devastated. She knows what could happen to Natsuo and his career if this goes public, so she takes all the blame and leaves, never giving herself proper closure and forcing a breakup that was never supposed to happen. She then has to force herself to say that she has no plans of getting back with him, when that's all she wanted.
Hina always tried to convince herself that Natsuo was better off without her after the breakup. She started thinking that her presence was a nuisance, and that she'd only bring misfortune if she was to get involved with him romantically, which is why she wants to be a good older sister, even before knowing that he's dating Rui.
In simple terms, Hina broke up with him for HIS sake. Keep that in mind.

Next is Rui. She starts off as this shy girl who doesn't really know her place in society, but she does know that she wants to be seen as an adult to understand Hina's actions with Shuu. So she has sex with Natsuo and you know the rest.
Her immaturity shines when Hina first leaves, Natsuo is depressed about it, and she takes the opportunity to go and tell him "what if Hina never comes back, will you wait for her forever", essentially telling him "stop chasing after her, come be with me", and she eventually uses Alex as a means to get Natsuo jealous, and it works.
Flash forward to chapter 216, Rui breaks up with him out of the blue. Why? because she wants to work on herself. She's breaking up with him for her own reasons, leaving him in the dumps when he was already at a low point, having hit a writers block not long prior.
But does she care? No, since she doesn't understand his dream like Hina does. To her, whether Natsuo is able to write is of little importance, she doesn't care if he can write or not. She wants him, but not everything about him.

While Hina loves him for his person, his motivation for his dreams and his love and care for those around him, Rui essentially loved him because her sister did too, and Rui got jealous and wanted what Hina had.

The ending gives the ultimate character development when looking at it from this angle.

Hina goes from a girl who holds back on everything out of the fear of being a nuisance, to a girl who can finally accept the love she's being given, finally accepting to be happy herself instead of putting others' happiness before her own

Rui goes from a selfish girl who'll do anything to keep her sinking love to a girl who finally realises what she's done and the order of importance in her life, how she alreay has a daughter, and how her sister's happiness means so much to her, especially given what happened.

Hope this clears it up, if not, try reading u/MgMaster's posts on the domekano subreddit, he has a great way of explaining things and making them very easy to understand.


It's not even about reading the manga wrong we all interpreted the manga differently. If someone's interpretation is different from yours it doesn't mean they read the manga wrong. That's kind of a shitty thing to say. If everyone's interpretations and opinions were the same we wouldn't be able to learn about different perspectives or point of views. It would be dull. When it comes to interpretations and opinions there is no right or wrong answer remember that.


With Domekano there wasn't anything to interpret in a different way to how the author wrote it.
Sasuga made it clear that Natsuo and Rui's relationship wasn't going to last, they weren't fit for each other and their personalities clashed too much for it to work.
People who tunneled hard on Rui x Natsuo failed to recognize this, and used the excuse of "well I interpreted their relationship as being perfect, so i'm right and this ending is BS" instead of going back and looking for the faults.
I've seen Rui fans read the story for the first time, be disappointed, go back to re-read it, and admit that they had read the story wrong and realised why they were so disappointed, and it wasn't the story's fault, it was their fault.
When the goal/message of a story is as clear as domekano's, there's no room for interpretation of events, what's being told is what's being told, there's no way around it. trying to see things in a different light to how it's being said is just trying to either cope or to force your own headcannon.
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omk16 said:


It's not even about reading the manga wrong we all interpreted the manga differently. If someone's interpretation is different from yours it doesn't mean they read the manga wrong. That's kind of a shitty thing to say. If everyone's interpretations and opinions were the same we wouldn't be able to learn about different perspectives or point of views. It would be dull. When it comes to interpretations and opinions there is no right or wrong answer remember that.


With Domekano there wasn't anything to interpret in a different way to how the author wrote it.
Sasuga made it clear that Natsuo and Rui's relationship wasn't going to last, they weren't fit for each other and their personalities clashed too much for it to work.
People who tunneled hard on Rui x Natsuo failed to recognize this, and used the excuse of "well I interpreted their relationship as being perfect, so i'm right and this ending is BS" instead of going back and looking for the faults.
I've seen Rui fans read the story for the first time, be disappointed, go back to re-read it, and admit that they had read the story wrong and realised why they were so disappointed, and it wasn't the story's fault, it was their fault.
When the goal/message of a story is as clear as domekano's, there's no room for interpretation of events, what's being told is what's being told, there's no way around it. trying to see things in a different light to how it's being said is just trying to either cope or to force your own headcannon.


True you have a point on that one. But even though the story can't be interpreted differently doesn't always mean it can't be written badly. If you're one of those fans that only like the ending only because hina 'won' and rui 'lost' then you really have no right to say if someone did or didn't understand the story. And i hope you're not like that cause they can be toxic too sometimes.

But you have to remember it wasn't just rui fans that didn't like the ending it was hina fans and neutral readers too. You surely aren't gonna say hina fans didn't understand the story just because they thought the ending could've been better are you. In fact it was I'd say it was the majority of western readers that thought the ending could have been better. I'm not even a rui or hina fan so I didn't really care who won in the end as long as the ending was fine. There are some of people who enjoyed the ending but still said it could have been way better me included. Even Gigguk who was a firm hina fan thought the ending could have been better so are you saying the person who literally reads manga and watches anime for a living didn't understand the story? Hopefully not. The main reason for the criticism that I see on reddit, Instagram and partly twitter is that the characters seemed hollow versions of themselves compareď to the chapters before or that they contradicted themselves greatly. Yes you can't interpret the story differently but you can interpret the characters in different ways.

An example not from me but from surprisingly a hina fan is that hina sacrificed everything not just for nat but for rui too so natsuo and rui's relationship could blossom. She literally almost died for saving nats' and rui's relationship because she wants to see them happy. But instead she woke up from her coma finding out nats and rui aren't even getting married so it seems like everything she sacrificed was wasted or for nothing she. Hina even questioned why nats and rui had to call of the wedding just cause she got into a car accident like there was no reason to. She even said she didn't need their consideration. guarantee that hina must have protested against the decision at first because that is what she would do based on her character. Her plan was successful near the end as rui and nats were about to get married but as you know things took a turn. Many fans didn't like the last 6 chapters because of the way natsuo acted which I understand. He had so much conviction to marry rui even to the point on swearing on his mum's grave and swearing to rui's mum as well which showed how much love he had for rui But all of a sudden that conviction wasn't there anymore because all along he loved hina all along even though he rejected her. It just made him seem indecisive which goes against the development of his character and his strong minded nature. Would you continue to date your girlfriend or boyfriend if you loved someone else. No one would unless your a dick. Rui wasn't holding him captive anymore because of her development. He could have ended the relationship if he wanted to but he didn't. So to say he was in love with hina all along even during rui is just stupid to his character and stupid in general just seemed like his relationship with rui was just pointless. So rui was kind of right in not trusting natsuo. It made him seem like an asshole because why would you continue to be in a relationship with rui if you've always loved hina. There was literally no point. It was also the fact that lied on his mum's grave and lied to rui's mum as well which made him seem like a scumbag. The manga didn't even need to have 276 chapters it could have finised way earlier.

Lastly as you know rui was selfish and quite frankly she was a bitch in the beginning of the manga both to hina and natsuo especially when she broke up with him. However when they got back together as time went on you could obviously tell their relationship got much better than before. They were developing and maturing so it was getting stronger. You could tell they were developing since natsuo was moving forward from hina and only focused on rui. Rui was starting to become less whiny and less possessive than before. Her inferiority to hina was slightly disappearing. Yes she didn't tell nats about hina's feelings but she wasn't obligated to and hina is grown woman if she wanted to she could've done it herself but she didn't because she was in support of nats and rui's relationship therefore It was best if rui or hina didn't tell nats about her feelings since hina didn't want that and rui kind of followed her wishes. Since rui's inferiority complex not just to hina but to other female characters was disappearing especially since she trusted in natsuo more than before the breakup you would expect they were definitely going to get married. Even most hina fans thought so at the time especially when they saw rui trying out her wedding dress they thought it was over until that last unexpected turn. When rui said 'I could never beat you' towards hina It seemed like she just gave up even though when you think about it she didn't have to and she was only 28. She has her whole life ahead of her to change. Just because you couldn't support natsuo as much in the past doesn't mean you can't do it in the future. As some people pointed this went against the nature of her character because instead of giving up she would have looked at her past with natsuo, would have saw that it was bad and would've changed her ways and become better because that is the way her character develops and that is her nature. So when she threw the towel in and gave up it seemed out of character. And if rui was selfish as a lot of hina fans say wouldn't she have married natsuo anyway regardless of the accident and hina's feelings. this isn't just me a majority of fans thought this as well. It's split 50/50 tbh. People see that this completed her character whilst other people see this as against her character. I honestly don't know what to think.

Again all these reasons aren't just mine they're just some of the main reasons I've out of why people thought the ending could've been better or just didn't like it. All I'm saying is there they may have not understood the story or the basis of it but they definitely understood the characters, their actions and how they were supposed to act as individuals You may have understood the story but that doesn't mean you understood the characters as individuals. Just food for thought.

You just can't mix normal criticism with toxic criticism you need to draw a line. there's no such thing as perfect. So you can really say to someone that they didn't understand the story or invalidate their opinions and views just because they didn't like the last six chapters of a 276 chapter manga like you know them. There is obviously going to be criticism as there is with every manga. Yes a lot of the things people are saying are so out of line however most readers who weren't fond of the ending actually give valid points and reasons that you can't disregard or not validate.

Anyway take what I've written hear with just a pinch of salt as we have differing opinions I respect your opinion hope you can respect mine and others.
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Clubby said:


With Domekano there wasn't anything to interpret in a different way to how the author wrote it.
Sasuga made it clear that Natsuo and Rui's relationship wasn't going to last, they weren't fit for each other and their personalities clashed too much for it to work.
People who tunneled hard on Rui x Natsuo failed to recognize this, and used the excuse of "well I interpreted their relationship as being perfect, so i'm right and this ending is BS" instead of going back and looking for the faults.
I've seen Rui fans read the story for the first time, be disappointed, go back to re-read it, and admit that they had read the story wrong and realised why they were so disappointed, and it wasn't the story's fault, it was their fault.
When the goal/message of a story is as clear as domekano's, there's no room for interpretation of events, what's being told is what's being told, there's no way around it. trying to see things in a different light to how it's being said is just trying to either cope or to force your own headcannon.


True you have a point on that one. But even though the story can't be interpreted differently doesn't always mean it can't be written badly. If you're one of those fans that only like the ending only because hina 'won' and rui 'lost' then you really have no right to say if someone did or didn't understand the story. And i hope you're not like that cause they can be toxic too sometimes.

But you have to remember it wasn't just rui fans that didn't like the ending it was hina fans and neutral readers too. You surely aren't gonna say hina fans didn't understand the story just because they thought the ending could've been better are you. In fact it was I'd say it was the majority of western readers that thought the ending could have been better. I'm not even a rui or hina fan so I didn't really care who won in the end as long as the ending was fine. There are some of people who enjoyed the ending but still said it could have been way better me included. Even Gigguk who was a firm hina fan thought the ending could have been better so are you saying the person who literally reads manga and watches anime for a living didn't understand the story? Hopefully not. The main reason for the criticism that I see on reddit, Instagram and partly twitter is that the characters seemed hollow versions of themselves compareď to the chapters before or that they contradicted themselves greatly. Yes you can't interpret the story differently but you can interpret the characters in different ways.

An example not from me but from surprisingly a hina fan is that hina sacrificed everything not just for nat but for rui too so natsuo and rui's relationship could blossom. She literally almost died for saving nats' and rui's relationship because she wants to see them happy. But instead she woke up from her coma finding out nats and rui aren't even getting married so it seems like everything she sacrificed was wasted or for nothing she. Hina even questioned why nats and rui had to call of the wedding just cause she got into a car accident like there was no reason to. She even said she didn't need their consideration. guarantee that hina must have protested against the decision at first because that is what she would do based on her character. Her plan was successful near the end as rui and nats were about to get married but as you know things took a turn. Many fans didn't like the last 6 chapters because of the way natsuo acted which I understand. He had so much conviction to marry rui even to the point on swearing on his mum's grave and swearing to rui's mum as well which showed how much love he had for rui But all of a sudden that conviction wasn't there anymore because all along he loved hina all along even though he rejected her. It just seemed like his relationship with rui was just pointless and the manga didn't even need to have 276 chapters it could have finised way earlier.

Lastly as you know rui was selfish and quite frankly she was a bitch in the beginning of the manga both to hina and natsuo especially when she broke up with him. However when they got back together as time went on you could obviously tell their relationship got much better than before. They were developing and maturing so it was getting stronger. You could tell they were developing since natsuo was moving forward from hina and only focused on rui. Rui was starting to become less whiny and less possessive than before. Her inferiority to hina was slightly disappearing. Yes she didn't tell nats about hina's feelings but she wasn't obligated to and hina is grown woman if she wanted to she could've done it herself but she didn't because she was in support of nats and rui's relationship therefore It was best if rui or hina didn't tell nats about her feelings since hina didn't want that and rui kind of followed her wishes. Since rui's inferiority complex not just to hina but to other female characters was disappearing especially since she trusted in natsuo more than before the breakup you would expect they were definitely going to get married. Even most hina fans thought so at the time especially when they saw rui trying out her wedding dress they thought it was over until that last unexpected turn. When rui said 'I could never beat you' towards hina It seemed like she just gave up even though when you think about it she didn't have to and she was only 28. She has her whole life ahead of her to change. Just because you couldn't support natsuo as much in the past doesn't mean you can't do it in the future. As some people pointed this went against the nature of her character because instead of giving up she would have looked at her past with natsuo, would have saw that it was bad and would've changed her ways and become better because that is the way her character develops and that is her nature. So when she threw the towel in and gave up it seemed out of character. And if rui was selfish as a lot of hina fans say wouldn't she have married natsuo anyway regardless of the accident and hina's feelings. this isn't just me a majority of fans thought this as well. It's split 50/50 tbh. People see that this completed her character whilst other people see this as against her character. I honestly don't know what to think.

Again all these reasons aren't just mine they're just some of the main reasons I've out of why people thought the ending could've been better or just didn't like it. All I'm saying is there they may have not understood the story or the basis of it but they definitely understood the characters, their actions and how they were supposed to act as individuals You may have understood the story but that doesn't mean you understood the characters as individuals. Just food for thought.

You just can't mix normal criticism with toxic criticism you need to draw a line. there's no such thing as perfect. So you can really say to someone that they didn't understand the story or invalidate their opinions and views just because they didn't like the last six chapters of a 276 chapter manga like you know them. There is obviously going to be criticism as there is with every manga. Yes a lot of the things people are saying are so out of line however most readers who weren't fond of the ending actually give valid points and reasons that you can't disregard or not validate.

Anyway take what I've written hear with just a pinch of salt as we have differing opinions I respect your opinion hope you can respect mine and others.


Good post, i'll take some time to respond to it.

First off, I don't like the ending because Hina won, I like it because it lines up with everything the story has presented, and it ties every loose end up really well.

Here's what I mean:

From the beginning, Natsuo had an unrequited love for Hina, he dated her, but they broke up in a very wierd way, and even if he got rejected when he found Hina on the island, he never got proper closure, especially after Shuu told him Hina still liked him, and her drunk confession. He didn't know what she was truely feeling, so instead of shooting into the void by trying to date her again, he chooses to date Rui, whom he knows loves him back.

Thing is, Rui and Natsuo are too different for each other. Natsuo is someone who needs a pillar for support, and Rui has ambitions to be independant, she's shown actively taking steps for her future, even if it means going away to Italy or the US.
She's also very immature, she clearly doesn't have much trust in Natsuo, and she gets jealous very easily.
Meanwhile, Hina is the person who (along with Jun, Natsuo's biological mother) inspired him to be a writer and to pursue that dream.
An argument often brought up is "How influential is each girl to Natsuo's writing career?" and there's no denying that Hina is at the top, and Rui probably not even second. I'm not hating on her here, but she just wasn't there for his dream, she was there for him.

The characters don't lose their personalities or become hollow at the ending, they just change, like humans tend to do.

Rui goes from a selfish girl who'll do anything to keep her romance afloat, even if it doesn't work. She didn't want Natsuo to find Hina at the island, and she made moves on him when he was still heartbroken and confused. She also used Alex as a means to get Natsuo jealous, therefore kind of forcing a confession out of him, but anyways, she goes from that, to someone who finally understood what the meaning behind what Hina did. She was able to realise how selfish she'd been, how she'd made her sister hurt (unwillingly) and she was able to act on it to correct it. She grows up from her 恋(koi, selfish love, romance).

Hina at first didn't want to marry Natsuo, since she didn't understand why they'd broken off their marriage, and she only gave in after a lot of arguments with her sister. She doesn't become hollow, she becomes someone who's finally able to put her own happiness first after putting it in second for the longest time.

And finally, Natsuo had finally gotten the information he should've gotten long before, and his mind was set. He always wanted to be with Hina, but since he didn't know how she felt, he thought she was over it, so he tried to convince himself that he was as well, when he clearly wasn't. They shared alot of special moments together after they break up and she comes home, and alot of them involve his writing in one way or another. She told him she'd hold on to his dream of writing until he found the motivation to continue it, she was there for him when Togen died, and she inspired the novel that got him off the ground and won him an award.

Natsuo is just giving back to the woman who gave so much to him.

The main complaint i've seen about the ending from Hina fans is that it's too abrupt, and I agree. A few more chapters wouldn't have hurt anyone, especially detailling Rui and Natsuo's conversations and maybe a few post marriage chapters with Hina and Natsuo to give it a sweet ending, but it is what it is. I heard that Sasuga Kei didn't manage to get an extension to make it more fleshed out, but I can't prove the validity of that claim, so that it with a pinch of salt.

Overall, the ending showed every character growing up and maturing, able to overcome their flaws, Rui overcoming her selfishness, Hina her overprotective nature.
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omk16 said:


True you have a point on that one. But even though the story can't be interpreted differently doesn't always mean it can't be written badly. If you're one of those fans that only like the ending only because hina 'won' and rui 'lost' then you really have no right to say if someone did or didn't understand the story. And i hope you're not like that cause they can be toxic too sometimes.

But you have to remember it wasn't just rui fans that didn't like the ending it was hina fans and neutral readers too. You surely aren't gonna say hina fans didn't understand the story just because they thought the ending could've been better are you. In fact it was I'd say it was the majority of western readers that thought the ending could have been better. I'm not even a rui or hina fan so I didn't really care who won in the end as long as the ending was fine. There are some of people who enjoyed the ending but still said it could have been way better me included. Even Gigguk who was a firm hina fan thought the ending could have been better so are you saying the person who literally reads manga and watches anime for a living didn't understand the story? Hopefully not. The main reason for the criticism that I see on reddit, Instagram and partly twitter is that the characters seemed hollow versions of themselves compareď to the chapters before or that they contradicted themselves greatly. Yes you can't interpret the story differently but you can interpret the characters in different ways.

An example not from me but from surprisingly a hina fan is that hina sacrificed everything not just for nat but for rui too so natsuo and rui's relationship could blossom. She literally almost died for saving nats' and rui's relationship because she wants to see them happy. But instead she woke up from her coma finding out nats and rui aren't even getting married so it seems like everything she sacrificed was wasted or for nothing she. Hina even questioned why nats and rui had to call of the wedding just cause she got into a car accident like there was no reason to. She even said she didn't need their consideration. guarantee that hina must have protested against the decision at first because that is what she would do based on her character. Her plan was successful near the end as rui and nats were about to get married but as you know things took a turn. Many fans didn't like the last 6 chapters because of the way natsuo acted which I understand. He had so much conviction to marry rui even to the point on swearing on his mum's grave and swearing to rui's mum as well which showed how much love he had for rui But all of a sudden that conviction wasn't there anymore because all along he loved hina all along even though he rejected her. It just seemed like his relationship with rui was just pointless and the manga didn't even need to have 276 chapters it could have finised way earlier.

Lastly as you know rui was selfish and quite frankly she was a bitch in the beginning of the manga both to hina and natsuo especially when she broke up with him. However when they got back together as time went on you could obviously tell their relationship got much better than before. They were developing and maturing so it was getting stronger. You could tell they were developing since natsuo was moving forward from hina and only focused on rui. Rui was starting to become less whiny and less possessive than before. Her inferiority to hina was slightly disappearing. Yes she didn't tell nats about hina's feelings but she wasn't obligated to and hina is grown woman if she wanted to she could've done it herself but she didn't because she was in support of nats and rui's relationship therefore It was best if rui or hina didn't tell nats about her feelings since hina didn't want that and rui kind of followed her wishes. Since rui's inferiority complex not just to hina but to other female characters was disappearing especially since she trusted in natsuo more than before the breakup you would expect they were definitely going to get married. Even most hina fans thought so at the time especially when they saw rui trying out her wedding dress they thought it was over until that last unexpected turn. When rui said 'I could never beat you' towards hina It seemed like she just gave up even though when you think about it she didn't have to and she was only 28. She has her whole life ahead of her to change. Just because you couldn't support natsuo as much in the past doesn't mean you can't do it in the future. As some people pointed this went against the nature of her character because instead of giving up she would have looked at her past with natsuo, would have saw that it was bad and would've changed her ways and become better because that is the way her character develops and that is her nature. So when she threw the towel in and gave up it seemed out of character. And if rui was selfish as a lot of hina fans say wouldn't she have married natsuo anyway regardless of the accident and hina's feelings. this isn't just me a majority of fans thought this as well. It's split 50/50 tbh. People see that this completed her character whilst other people see this as against her character. I honestly don't know what to think.

Again all these reasons aren't just mine they're just some of the main reasons I've out of why people thought the ending could've been better or just didn't like it. All I'm saying is there they may have not understood the story or the basis of it but they definitely understood the characters, their actions and how they were supposed to act as individuals You may have understood the story but that doesn't mean you understood the characters as individuals. Just food for thought.

You just can't mix normal criticism with toxic criticism you need to draw a line. there's no such thing as perfect. So you can really say to someone that they didn't understand the story or invalidate their opinions and views just because they didn't like the last six chapters of a 276 chapter manga like you know them. There is obviously going to be criticism as there is with every manga. Yes a lot of the things people are saying are so out of line however most readers who weren't fond of the ending actually give valid points and reasons that you can't disregard or not validate.

Anyway take what I've written hear with just a pinch of salt as we have differing opinions I respect your opinion hope you can respect mine and others.


Good post, i'll take some time to respond to it.

First off, I don't like the ending because Hina won, I like it because it lines up with everything the story has presented, and it ties every loose end up really well.

Here's what I mean:

From the beginning, Natsuo had an unrequited love for Hina, he dated her, but they broke up in a very wierd way, and even if he got rejected when he found Hina on the island, he never got proper closure, especially after Shuu told him Hina still liked him, and her drunk confession. He didn't know what she was truely feeling, so instead of shooting into the void by trying to date her again, he chooses to date Rui, whom he knows loves him back.

Thing is, Rui and Natsuo are too different for each other. Natsuo is someone who needs a pillar for support, and Rui has ambitions to be independant, she's shown actively taking steps for her future, even if it means going away to Italy or the US.
She's also very immature, she clearly doesn't have much trust in Natsuo, and she gets jealous very easily.
Meanwhile, Hina is the person who (along with Jun, Natsuo's biological mother) inspired him to be a writer and to pursue that dream.
An argument often brought up is "How influential is each girl to Natsuo's writing career?" and there's no denying that Hina is at the top, and Rui probably not even second. I'm not hating on her here, but she just wasn't there for his dream, she was there for him.

The characters don't lose their personalities or become hollow at the ending, they just change, like humans tend to do.

Rui goes from a selfish girl who'll do anything to keep her romance afloat, even if it doesn't work. She didn't want Natsuo to find Hina at the island, and she made moves on him when he was still heartbroken and confused. She also used Alex as a means to get Natsuo jealous, therefore kind of forcing a confession out of him, but anyways, she goes from that, to someone who finally understood what the meaning behind what Hina did. She was able to realise how selfish she'd been, how she'd made her sister hurt (unwillingly) and she was able to act on it to correct it. She grows up from her 恋(koi, selfish love, romance).

Hina at first didn't want to marry Natsuo, since she didn't understand why they'd broken off their marriage, and she only gave in after a lot of arguments with her sister. She doesn't become hollow, she becomes someone who's finally able to put her own happiness first after putting it in second for the longest time.

And finally, Natsuo had finally gotten the information he should've gotten long before, and his mind was set. He always wanted to be with Hina, but since he didn't know how she felt, he thought she was over it, so he tried to convince himself that he was as well, when he clearly wasn't. They shared alot of special moments together after they break up and she comes home, and alot of them involve his writing in one way or another. She told him she'd hold on to his dream of writing until he found the motivation to continue it, she was there for him when Togen died, and she inspired the novel that got him off the ground and won him an award.

Natsuo is just giving back to the woman who gave so much to him.

The main complaint i've seen about the ending from Hina fans is that it's too abrupt, and I agree. A few more chapters wouldn't have hurt anyone, especially detailling Rui and Natsuo's conversations and maybe a few post marriage chapters with Hina and Natsuo to give it a sweet ending, but it is what it is. I heard that Sasuga Kei didn't manage to get an extension to make it more fleshed out, but I can't prove the validity of that claim, so that it with a pinch of salt.

Overall, the ending showed every character growing up and maturing, able to overcome their flaws, Rui overcoming her selfishness, Hina her overprotective nature.


Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post I actually agree with some of your points, I understand what you mean and the ending a bit more. Though there are some points that may differ than mine that's the beauty of it all really. It was nice to debate with you.
Jul 29, 2021 3:30 PM

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Clubby said:


Good post, i'll take some time to respond to it.

First off, I don't like the ending because Hina won, I like it because it lines up with everything the story has presented, and it ties every loose end up really well.

Here's what I mean:

From the beginning, Natsuo had an unrequited love for Hina, he dated her, but they broke up in a very wierd way, and even if he got rejected when he found Hina on the island, he never got proper closure, especially after Shuu told him Hina still liked him, and her drunk confession. He didn't know what she was truely feeling, so instead of shooting into the void by trying to date her again, he chooses to date Rui, whom he knows loves him back.

Thing is, Rui and Natsuo are too different for each other. Natsuo is someone who needs a pillar for support, and Rui has ambitions to be independant, she's shown actively taking steps for her future, even if it means going away to Italy or the US.
She's also very immature, she clearly doesn't have much trust in Natsuo, and she gets jealous very easily.
Meanwhile, Hina is the person who (along with Jun, Natsuo's biological mother) inspired him to be a writer and to pursue that dream.
An argument often brought up is "How influential is each girl to Natsuo's writing career?" and there's no denying that Hina is at the top, and Rui probably not even second. I'm not hating on her here, but she just wasn't there for his dream, she was there for him.

The characters don't lose their personalities or become hollow at the ending, they just change, like humans tend to do.

Rui goes from a selfish girl who'll do anything to keep her romance afloat, even if it doesn't work. She didn't want Natsuo to find Hina at the island, and she made moves on him when he was still heartbroken and confused. She also used Alex as a means to get Natsuo jealous, therefore kind of forcing a confession out of him, but anyways, she goes from that, to someone who finally understood what the meaning behind what Hina did. She was able to realise how selfish she'd been, how she'd made her sister hurt (unwillingly) and she was able to act on it to correct it. She grows up from her 恋(koi, selfish love, romance).

Hina at first didn't want to marry Natsuo, since she didn't understand why they'd broken off their marriage, and she only gave in after a lot of arguments with her sister. She doesn't become hollow, she becomes someone who's finally able to put her own happiness first after putting it in second for the longest time.

And finally, Natsuo had finally gotten the information he should've gotten long before, and his mind was set. He always wanted to be with Hina, but since he didn't know how she felt, he thought she was over it, so he tried to convince himself that he was as well, when he clearly wasn't. They shared alot of special moments together after they break up and she comes home, and alot of them involve his writing in one way or another. She told him she'd hold on to his dream of writing until he found the motivation to continue it, she was there for him when Togen died, and she inspired the novel that got him off the ground and won him an award.

Natsuo is just giving back to the woman who gave so much to him.

The main complaint i've seen about the ending from Hina fans is that it's too abrupt, and I agree. A few more chapters wouldn't have hurt anyone, especially detailling Rui and Natsuo's conversations and maybe a few post marriage chapters with Hina and Natsuo to give it a sweet ending, but it is what it is. I heard that Sasuga Kei didn't manage to get an extension to make it more fleshed out, but I can't prove the validity of that claim, so that it with a pinch of salt.

Overall, the ending showed every character growing up and maturing, able to overcome their flaws, Rui overcoming her selfishness, Hina her overprotective nature.


Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post I actually agree with some of your points, I understand what you mean and the ending a bit more. Though there are some points that may differ than mine that's the beauty of it all really. It was nice to debate with you.


Np, if you want a more detailed look on things, I highly reccomend reading u/MgMaster's posts on the domekano subreddit, they go really well into detail about everything and he even uses manga panels to illustrate what he's saying whioch makes it easy to understand
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For me this manga dropped the ball after Hina's transfer, where anime adaptation ends. Then it became insufferable stretch of daily life, where author kept introducing new characters that didn't have any meaning to story - they only reason for existing was to drag this manga on and on.
As for ending.. I don't really have words to describe my feelings after reading it. Like, it should be obvious to anyone that Hina was the one deserving happiness, being a literal martyr, but the way it all happened can't bring me any satisfaction. I guess, pregnancy is the most disturbing part. Without that I probably could've accept it, but as it is, DomeKano ended up being kind of negative experience for me.
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For me this manga dropped the ball after Hina's transfer, where anime adaptation ends. Then it became insufferable stretch of daily life, where author kept introducing new characters that didn't have any meaning to story - they only reason for existing was to drag this manga on and on.
As for ending.. I don't really have words to describe my feelings after reading it. Like, it should be obvious to anyone that Hina was the one deserving happiness, being a literal martyr, but the way it all happened can't bring me any satisfaction. I guess, pregnancy is the most disturbing part. Without that I probably could've accept it, but as it is, DomeKano ended up being kind of negative experience for me.


The "new characters that didn't have any meaning to the story" actually were important to the story in some way, mostly to Natsuo, since he always ends up learning a life lesson from these people.
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Clubby said:

The "new characters that didn't have any meaning to the story" actually were important to the story in some way, mostly to Natsuo, since he always ends up learning a life lesson from these people.


Those "life lessons" are probably the most tedious part of this manga and many others. When author decides to teach their readers some life lessons and way of living instead of telling the story they supposed to it's the worst thing that can happen. When characters instead of dialogue starts preaching authors beliefs it kills any immesion in story i've had.
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likeLightning said:
Clubby said:

The "new characters that didn't have any meaning to the story" actually were important to the story in some way, mostly to Natsuo, since he always ends up learning a life lesson from these people.


Those "life lessons" are probably the most tedious part of this manga and many others. When author decides to teach their readers some life lessons and way of living instead of telling the story they supposed to it's the worst thing that can happen. When characters instead of dialogue starts preaching authors beliefs it kills any immesion in story i've had.


Sasuga told the story she wanted to tell and didn't try to teach the readers things. She used the side character arcs to teach Natsuo life lessons, not anyone else lol
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concerned2 said:
I have been Team Hina ever since but somehow, even though she won, I don't feel happy or complete.
Do you feel the same?
:/
Neither of the factions (HiNatsuo and NaRui) might be happy after how it ended. That ending might just be the worst ending of any slice of life manga/anime ive read/seen. There could have been much better ways to go around it. Hell, Hina might as well have died in the crash or something like that(or perhaps a 3way relationship would have been the best). Theres no use of crying over spilt milk tbh. It was a good time
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