Overlord III Episode 8 Discussion

Darklight0303 said:


Oh yes the goblins and ogres during Carne Village? You glorify humanity and seek to label everything with its greatness far far too much.

Humanity is also what let Arche's parents into their current situation and later down the line into selling Arche's sisters off into slavery.

jupitelthunder said:


What show have YOU been watching? A lot of the show humor is about the Nazarick NPCs expecting Ainz to be some super evil overlord (because that's how they were created) while in reality he's just a normal guy struggling to play the part. Literally just load the first episode and you'll see a bunch of this, or, hell, any of his conversations with Demiurge, so that's why I expect him to not be pure evil, because, well, up until this point he wasn't.

Overlord31 said:
Soo we can confirm that LN volume 8 take 5 episodes, volume 7 take 3 episodes, and next week which is volume 9 gonna take 5 episodes right? Ahh i hope we got season 4

JGChaves said:


Seriously dude, how are you reading my comments? I said the Lizardmen were equals to humans in both intelligence and emotions. Being able to think and feel has nothing to do with "greatness" of whatever, it's simply a thing that exists.

Yes, Arche's parents are bad. So was that troll king from a few episodes ago who attacked his own people for no reason. Those goblins from Carne Village were definitely nice people. Just like the two humans from the same village we were following during that arc. The ability to do both good and bad is inherent to all sentient beings, whether they are humans, humanoids or anything else has nothing to do with it.

Sasora said:

Idk... I don't know if there's enough content.. But I'm not accurate on telling if someone has enough written content for an Anime. I'll be very disappointed though if this show doesn't dive into more information on character development and supreme beings.

It seems blatantly obvious this might be the last season though..

Darklight0303 said:

There are no supreme beings coming.

H4nss0n said:
I'm genuinely confused, is there someone in this anime that i'm supposed to root for?
At first i thought it was Ainz but the dude's clearly a Psychopath with no regard for
humanity or anyone, all the humans are just built up to eventually be killed so i don't even bother getting invested in them. You can totally have an anime from the villains
perspective, this just ain't it chief!

Soul_Urge said:
*FBI Alert: There are real psychopaths on this forum!* Unpopular Opinion:
This show is really well done, and I intend to see it through till the end, but what Ains is doing is more evil than anything that anyone has ever done in reality, considering his ability to resurrect people only to continue torturing them. I hope in the future he gets defeated and get a taste of his own medicine.

Kevwoz said:
Hey everyone. Does anyone know who's voice Entoma was using? I can't remember which character used that voice.

Darklight0303 said:

You continue to equate intelligence and emotions as a human trait.

Darklight0303 said:

This is not the real world in the story. Saying things like intelligence and empathy are the clear sign of something being closer to human than anything else is the absolute pinnacle of arrogance.

Chaosta said:
That was Arche's voice. the blonde who shaltear killed

honestly that death was lame.. In the LN shaltear tortured her and used her as a sex slave before killing her. But i guess the censors wouldnt allow that to be animated

Nain said:


To me, she sounded nothing like Arche. How do you know? Having matching VAs on MAL doesn't confirm anything. Entoma's VA for her previous coarse voice was probably the same as Arche's.

A hint at whose it might be: Albedo suggested that Ains would be displeased to hear the voice.

On another note:

What happened to the MC Ains? He was much more compassionate and human in the first season.

Liray777 said:
What the heck was with that slave collar look he was sporting while fighting them? Does it have some significance or was it just some weird ass character design?

AivanK said:
Honestly, i don't know how to feel about this...I didn't know anything about Overlord before watching the 1S, and i really loved it...but this, this is just too different from what i was expecting.
I felt really bad about those guys and especially that girl, it was all and fun until this episode, i don't know how to react to this, i was rooting for him but now, i don't know what to say...

I just don't know... and it seems that there are a lot of people here that feel like me.
The only thing that i really liked was that last part.

I may be wrong by judging the whole season with just one episode but i wonder how all of this will end, i hope i'm wrong.

Chaosta said:

Whats fun about it lol. wanting to rule the world, Devious plots involving the kidnapping of 100s of men women and children and having them experimented on. The massacre of the lizard chiefs and forced ruling of the lizard people. the orchestrated plots designed to kill people only for ainz to look better himself and/or keep people under his control. He's had 1 main goal this entire time, yea there are funny moments but this is NOT a funny hero isekai show and it never has been. Ainz is an antihero. More like deadpool but more evil

AivanK said:


No like, what i was trying to say is that it feels like a different anime that i got used to, i know there were some pretty dark moments etc but i accepted all of that and never felt anything but this one, feels weird.
I see it now xD I'm just curious how things will go from here, maybe some enemies that can actually cause damage to Ainz? He is now clearly an antihero xD

Chaosta said:

It gets interesting in the LN's but seeing as how Madhouse animated this, I highly doubt there will be a 4th season which is unfortunate cause alot of the juicy stuff is later on. As I understand it, this season will cover Volume 9 at most. :/

AivanK said:


I believe, my friend also read it and said the same. I also doubt there will be another season, i think we already got lucky by having a 3rd season.
I will say this again, maybe i will explain it correctly haha Since S1 i knew that he wanted to conquer the world but i didn't know how he was going to do it.

Chaosta said:


Because thats what happens in the LN "In the Light Novel, her dead body was cut into different pieces: Entoma took Arche's voice to replace her old voice that was lost in the battle against Evileye, Demiurge takes her skin, several undead take her arms and legs, her head is used as decoration for a Silk Hat Demon and the leftovers became food. " entoma was always self conscious about her voice which is why it was brought up if he liked it or not.

Nain said:


Like what others said, in the WN, she became Shalltear's slave. While watching the episode (as a pure anime watcher), I suspected that was what was going to happen to her. I wonder why the anime's story didn't follow the WN's route. It seems much more natural.

Darklight0303 said:


You continue to equate intelligence and emotions as a human trait. You pretend as if monsters are incapable of these things. That's the point you consistently overlook.

This is not the real world in the story. Saying things like intelligence and empathy are the clear sign of something being closer to human than anything else is the absolute pinnacle of arrogance.

Happy_Sensei said:
Am I losing my mind? Psychopathy is cool and hype now? This show just proved it deserves to be called Edgelord instead of Overlord



Exactly, there are relatable villains but Ains isn't being one, "they attacked his home built by his friends" pffft which he or Demure planned for and could've dealt with in a much less psychopathic/sadistic way



Seriously hope that too, and yea it feels we're in the minority

Soul_Urge said:


It's better to be a goat than a sheep in this case, been a while since I've felt so disgusted with a fictional character. If their intention was to make me hate this character, then job well done. I've also never seen so many sadistic people in one place, they would make good minions for Ainsz. The world of Overlord is interesting, but I don't feel as if I can't invest myself into any new characters in this series to only get heart broken again, I'm not a masochist. I'll be watching this anime like NTR from here on out, while having my emotional barrier up.

Soul_Urge said:


It's better to be a goat than a sheep in this case, been a while since I've felt so disgusted with a fictional character. If their intention was to make me hate this character, then job well done. I've also never seen so many sadistic people in one place, they would make good minions for Ainsz. The world of Overlord is interesting, but I don't feel as if I can't invest myself into any new characters in this series to only get heart broken again, I'm not a masochist. I'll be watching this anime like NTR from here on out, while having my emotional barrier up.

Chaosta said:
You should have put together to not invest in side characters from the first few ep in season 1 lmao. after the Swords of Darkness were killed off so early after a build up, that should of clued you in on how the anime works lol

also the workers parts, from the very start you knew they were gonna invade Nazarick even before the character building started. Right then you knew they were gonna die lmao

Soul_Urge said:


I'm aware, though I was mainly referring to the workers, I wasn't expecting Ainz to go from 1 to 100 straight up psychopath on them. I do like Albedo, Shalltear, Demiurge and a few others, but at least I knew what to expect from them.

Nain said:


Like what others said, in the WN, she became Shalltear's slave. While watching the episode (as a pure anime watcher), I suspected that was what was going to happen to her. I wonder why the anime's story didn't follow the WN's route. It seems much more natural.

Chaosta said:
I mean all n all i dont think he did anything that bad(comparatively) , I mean his fight with clementine was far far worse. In this sense he just paralyzed them and had his floor guardians do the dirty work. He even mentioned to use every piece as thats how you respect the dead. later on you realize how necessary this all was and how its really no different from his other plans. lest not forget he approved of kidnapping 100s of men women and children for experiments in season 2 and originally had planned on wiping out he entire lizard people race if it werent for cocytus's thoughts on the matter.

Soul_Urge said:


You are right, but those people didn't have a backstory from what I remember. It is however my own fault for letting my guard down. I didn't like Ainz that much in season 2 either, it's just that my opinion of him couldn't get any lower at this point.

Soul_Urge said:


You are right, but those people didn't have a backstory from what I remember. It is however my own fault for letting my guard down. I didn't like Ainz that much in season 2 either, it's just that my opinion of him couldn't get any lower at this point.

Darklight0303 said:


If all it takes for you to get outraged is a sobstory I have to say you have no legs to stand on. If life is so precious to you, you should have been roaring and petulatntly stomping your feet in protest since season 2

Grey-Zone said:
I think people are missing the point here. This arc has, as far as I have seen, 2 main points to make:


1. It subtly points out the audience's hypocrisy regarding whether or not someone deserves death (or worse) based on knowledge of their circumstances. People seem to sympathize with Arche here due to her background and consider Nazarick's actions to be evil mostly based on that. I don't think that conclusion would be the same if all invaders had been like the guy with the elf slaves.

But is that really fair? Then what about the various "mob-characters"? People just seem to come to their own conclusions based on what they wish to be true.

For example, what if the Theocracy Knight (disguised as Empire Knight) from S1 EP3 that Ainz killed with Dragon Lightning early on in the show actually had a sob story about his daughter having an illness that can only be cured by very expensive medicine and the only way to get enough money for that medicine would be to participate in this dangerous mission where they might have been killed by Gazef Stronoff before the main force with the angels arrive? But because he stood right next to his collegue who seemed to enjoy the situation, people just assumed that he is probably just as much a horrible psychopaths who just enjoys killing people even though there is no actual evidence for that.

So Arche only really showed that most of the audience is just a bunch of hypocritical jerks with prejudice who assumes the worst of characters with no background story. I also thought the same when reading this part of the LN, so I am not really one to talk tehe~


2. People call Ainz "evil" but mostly only because of forgetting season 1 and missing the big picture.

The (default) moral compass of Ainz is usually that of a corporate CEO (even though he was only a regular salaryman himself as a human), all about the "profit" of Nazarick, though probably a bit on the extreme end because what most anime watchers don't know is that Suzuki Satoru (the guy who controls Momonga) actually lived in a dystopian society where cronysm is widespread and big corporations control everything (this is only mentioned in LN character sheets and will probably never be mentioned in the anime) where work conditions are much harsher than in our time. This is probably why he is willing to be rather cruel when it comes to making profit for Nazarick.

One more element is that Ainz seems to be a person who doesn't show any mercy toward those he sees as enemies. He is even worse toward those who he has personal grudges against escpacially if someone insults Nazarick or its guildmembers and/or their creations. Vice-versa if someone gives genunine praise for Nazarick or Nazarick members, like in the case of Nemu.

Another very important element are the memories of Ulbert (creator of Demi-Urge) and Touch Me (creator of Sebas Tian). They are like the "devil and the angel on the shoulders who whisper into your ear"-imaginry that should be well known from various kinds of visual fiction.

Ulbert's evilness and cruelty influnece Ainz through Demi-Urge's plans, which often contains cruelty just for the sake of cruelty, even though some of it doesn't give any additonal "profit" to Nazarick, but the plans themselves are solid otherwise, so Ainz obviously keeps relying on these plans.

Touch Me's motto of "saving someone's who is in trouble is common sense" is something that Ainz cherishes a lot, but it's often mutually exclusive with the part about wanting profit for Nazarick, so he needs to make some kind of "excuse" for throwing the profit away. And he found this excuse and has been using it ever since the part at the beginning of the story when he saw Touch Me when looking at Sebas, though it's a bit subtle: "Let's save/spare/revive him/her/it/them for the sake of an experiment". In other words, Ainz does most his good deeds whenever he says "let's do this for the sake of an experiment" because the results are unknown, which makes it compatible with his profit mindset. Some of the Nazarick residents seemed to have noticed the pattern that Ainz is more likely to accept a request if it's in the guise of an experiment, escpacially Demi-Urge and Sebas.


I think this subtleness of his good deeds in contrast to the obviousness of the bad deeds caused by following Demi-Urge's plans, as well as this particular instance where point "1." applies is what makes Ainz look so "evil" to people in this arc, but looking at the big picture it's much more complex as you can see.



Sorry for bothering you all with this Wall of Text.

Darklight0303 said:


Bravo my good man! You summed all of this out perfectly

Happy_Sensei said:
@Soul_Urge Yea it was really disgusting, had they followed the web novel or what the author said about the sisters I would've done what arche did (not really but got close)

People are saying it's been always this way but I disagree, intentionally or not in the first season it seemed he was going out of his way to avoid unnecessary deaths, making up reasons to convince his subordinates, as far as I can remember at least, he seemed apathetic but not a full psychopath, he only killed people who were pretty horrible and dirty handed themselves, as in actual murder not just deserted tomb robbing, in S2 he did kill lizard people which was when I started getting iffy about the show but then he resurrected (most of) them and he let that girl join his guild, he also saved that magic caster girl and her group wasn't killed (or was it?), sure in hindsight we can say he was just plotting but as a viewer it looked he -or the show in general- was trying not to be too gruesome, guess I was wrong, and I can't really remember the part about experimenting on 100 people, that's pretty sick too, but it would've been plain disgusting if they actually showed it, showing the actions has more effect than telling them and even if Ains was that sick since then it didn't seem that obvious -to me at least- until now

according to some people robbing places -that looks deserted of anything but undead monsters- is just as bad as committing unnecessary massacres and torture, and of course it's more upsetting when someone with a back story dies, doesn't mean killing randoms for no good reason is ok but it's natural to care more about people you know and in this case characters you know a little more, remember that scene in Austin Powers when the random security guy dies and they show his family lol

Janethan23 said:
I'm stating to get the feeling that Ains and co. would probably inadvertently unite all the warring Kingdoms to go to war against them. If that were to happen it would make sense since Nazerick is the biggest threat to all those nations.

Janethan23 said:
I'm stating to get the feeling that Ains and co. would probably inadvertently unite all the warring Kingdoms to go to war against them. If that were to happen it would make sense since Nazerick is the biggest threat to all those nations.

jupitelthunder said:
Yeah I'm dropping the show now.

Up until this point I was under the impression that the whole show conflict was that Ainz was just a normal guy thrown into a position of extreme power where everyone expected him to be an evil overlord, so to conform to those expectations he would play the part but would also be a good guy whenever possible, even going so far as bullshitting the guardians to make it seem like it's all part of his plan, so even though he's overpowered he still had challenges you wanted him to succeed at.

This episode however made it clear that I misunderstood the series and Ainz is just an overpowered bad guy with nothing standing on his way, neither enemies nor morals, which for me doesn't make it for a very interesting story, hence why I'm dropping it.