NewG said: Shinichi-Kun said: ur logic doesnt mak sense unless he is the mafia role thats in the same category as miller and regardless if thats the case its wine to say hes scum for suggesting that outcome cause no matter what in that category he would show up as scum. Besides all of that if the cop even exists all we recieve is the same information we would have got if said person was lynched. Also how u gonna wine a claim, no matter what alignment a person is the logical decision if ur the highest train is to claim -.- You dont get my point as always. Please reread my posts and my current one, that if you're even reading them And Wisp wasnt at danger...in fact no one was in danger for a claim besides logic so far. So, I think it wasnt necessary for him to claim, but he did anyway. Adding that with all his behaviour early day (which I also pointed out if you READ my posts) is enough reason for me. Not sure what i am missing, i am reading what ur typing i just have my own interpretation. |
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RE said: I mean, by all means, you claim. If you really want to mass claim.roz1roz said: Mafia also don't want to help town, and you aren't. So reads please :>Lol, do people really think that mafia in any setup would propose massclaim? Suicidal action if so. Scum wants a nice and organized game which they can manipulate if any. Chaos, but a smart chaos is helping town. |
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NewG said: @Shinichi-kun you can't shade both me and kyle. Pick your side, if you don't think it's t/t I aint shading anyone, i mean logically speaking ur scum in that situation then. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: NewG said: @Shinichi-kun you can't shade both me and kyle. Pick your side, if you don't think it's t/t I aint shading anyone, i mean logically speaking ur scum in that situation then. noted! |
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NewG said: Shinichi-Kun said: Who knows what roz was thinking, and the fact that logic took so long to claim says alot as for those breadcrumbs we cant let that cloud judgement. I knew for a while what he was gonna claim based on his reactions but if he really wanted to show he was the fallacy he would have claimed on the spot instead of argueing with me OMG shut up lol okay how is his claim helpful now? You're still suspecting him anyway now so HOW was it helpful huh? I REALLY WANT TO KNOW edit: or more like how WOULD IT HAVE BEEN helpful? I explained how it be helpful lol he just choose to argue with me instead, people still suspect me regardless of my claim so whats ur point? |
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RE said: roz1roz said: Mafia also don't want to help town, and you aren't. So reads please :>Lol, do people really think that mafia in any setup would propose massclaim? Suicidal action if so. Scum wants a nice and organized game which they can manipulate if any. Chaos, but a smart chaos is helping town. Not anytime soon :> |
I mean i aint gonna vote a claimed vanilla over someone that hasnt claimed logically that doesnt make any sense |
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roz1roz said: Then claim? Pretty please?RE said: Mafia also don't want to help town, and you aren't. So reads please :> Not anytime soon :> |
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Shinichi-Kun said: NewG said: OMG shut up lol okay how is his claim helpful now? You're still suspecting him anyway now so HOW was it helpful huh? I REALLY WANT TO KNOW edit: or more like how WOULD IT HAVE BEEN helpful? I explained how it be helpful lol he just choose to argue with me instead, people still suspect me regardless of my claim so whats ur point? Explain again. All I see is that you said it would be no harm for town. Any other reasons? As I am rereading I saw you being worried about the decietful crook claiming an innocent vanilla yet you're letting Kyle pass with his claim easily saying he could be the miller, not suspecting him a single bit? Your worries are gone? |
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I agree with others. If you're town and really want a massclaim then you should be really claiming first; if not your trust is all lost. |
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Century_Orion said: Shinichi-Kun said: i didnt really have that in mind, i just saw no reason for a neighborizer to hide unless they're scum. Regardless if they out themselves or not the role itself loses no power. But I don't think the role would no longer be as useful if you claimed for town, because others know your role, so what's the point of chatting with another player discreetly? It wouldn't matter for scum, as they already have their own chat to talk in. outted or not the way a player chooses to go about during a private chat says alot, so mafia would stilll have to be wary regardless logic340 said: Phraze said: Suffice to say regardless of whether she was by herself or with a team she felt like an informed player. That's the vibe I'm not getting here but looking back at a few pages (2-6) I better understand your argument and see where you're coming from. You're correct outside of wisp maybe she hasn't really spear headed many of her own topics. can u explain Gwen's behavior in this game, and not with a heavy reference to a prev game? if u mean Major Arcana that was dif and she worked alone. we seen her as scum in Terraformars which was a more standard setup. but overall I don't like her reliance on info from others, aka existing opinions. Show me where gwen has show her informed information as scum. |
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NewG said: so whats ur plan now just to assume the first person to claim vanilla is the deceitful crook? Where is that angle going to get us. Kyle could be the miller its plausible but this is being based off 1 freaking vanilla claim well 2 to be fair.Shinichi-Kun said: I explained how it be helpful lol he just choose to argue with me instead, people still suspect me regardless of my claim so whats ur point? Explain again. All I see is that you said it would be no harm for town. Any other reasons? As I am rereading I saw you being worried about the decietful crook claiming an innocent vanilla yet you're letting Kyle pass with his claim easily saying he could be the miller, not suspecting him a single bit? Your worries are gone? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: I mean i aint gonna vote a claimed vanilla over someone that hasnt claimed logically that doesnt make any sense Logically it's still the better option on D1. |
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NewG said: How did you even come to that conclusion?Shinichi-Kun said: I mean i aint gonna vote a claimed vanilla over someone that hasnt claimed logically that doesnt make any sense Logically it's still the better option on D1. |
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NewG said: Shinichi-Kun said: I mean i aint gonna vote a claimed vanilla over someone that hasnt claimed logically that doesnt make any sense Logically it's still the better option on D1. explain how |
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Shinichi-Kun said: NewG said: so whats ur plan now just to assume the first person to claim vanilla is the deceitful crook? Where is that angle going to get us. Kyle could be the miller its plausible but this is being based off 1 freaking vanilla claim well 2 to be fair.Explain again. All I see is that you said it would be no harm for town. Any other reasons? As I am rereading I saw you being worried about the decietful crook claiming an innocent vanilla yet you're letting Kyle pass with his claim easily saying he could be the miller, not suspecting him a single bit? Your worries are gone? Who's the second? The only reason I suspect him more as a goon was his timing and behaviour. So that's why I wouldnt mind. |
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| Last big post cause I wont have time later on... vote: logic my vote will stay here for the rest of the night. @RE I dont think roz is scum, and all I can say is that its gut, and one more thing, which I wont say yet... so go back to logic @tainted lets say u forget logics claim? Is there nothing u see scummy about him? @NewG Regardless of if I was vanilla scum or not, I would still claim the possbility of miller, because Id rather not have scum using that against town if I end up being the miller, and if I was the vanilla scum, I would still claim vanilla town... either way its all nai, and admissible evidence it ur case to vote me. Apart from what RE already said about logic, which almost feels like she took it from my head... I want to say this, as the uninformed, we cant work around the setup as well as mafia can. Lets leave aside that gwen is scum with logic for now, Logic would have to claim something else in his category to save him no matter what, because both mafia roles that exist in there are only mafia roles, and if we found out he lied about his category all together, we would automatically think he was scum. He claimed because his trained was getting high, like any sane person would do, town or scum. and there isnt anything that proves that both mafia roles cant be from that category, just as much as Gwen is saying its mostly likely 50/50, both have equal chance of happening, and only the informed would think other wise. @Tainted you asked before if Logic has ever fake claimed? yes he has, and he won doing it Im not gunna let this be a repeat of mostly seinen, so ill stick with my gut, because all arguments used against me are 50/50 as much as mine are 50/50. You are either with me or your not lol. Sorry I dont have anymore time, ill be on and off at work, and will try to be around for phase change |
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| What is even this conversation between Gwen and Shinichi... We should just lynch roz if he doesn't claim. |
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NewG said: if there is even the slightest chance of me flipping town u should mind... you sound more and more like scum!gwen even if I dont correlate you with logic, you are scummy on your own. Your just too ok with my lynchShinichi-Kun said: so whats ur plan now just to assume the first person to claim vanilla is the deceitful crook? Where is that angle going to get us. Kyle could be the miller its plausible but this is being based off 1 freaking vanilla claim well 2 to be fair. Who's the second? The only reason I suspect him more as a goon was his timing and behaviour. So that's why I wouldnt mind. |
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RE said: no :( What is even this conversation between Gwen and Shinichi... We should just lynch roz if he doesn't claim. |
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| if anyone is shading its Logic, most of his counter arguments are just shade... peace out |
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Wisp-O said: >suggests mass claimRE said: no :( What is even this conversation between Gwen and Shinichi... We should just lynch roz if he doesn't claim. >suggests mafia wouldn't suggest mass claim >doesn't claim Why isn't he scum again? |
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NewG said: Shinichi-Kun said: so whats ur plan now just to assume the first person to claim vanilla is the deceitful crook? Where is that angle going to get us. Kyle could be the miller its plausible but this is being based off 1 freaking vanilla claim well 2 to be fair. Who's the second? The only reason I suspect him more as a goon was his timing and behaviour. So that's why I wouldnt mind. But ur not comparing it to anything so it has no grounds to be stood on. |
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RE said: Wisp-O said: >suggests mass claimno :( >suggests mafia wouldn't suggest mass claim >doesn't claim Why isn't he scum again? 1. Hes tried this before, as town (no scum would do this tbh, surprised DV got so much shit last game for this) 2. Hes right 3. Hes most likely vanilla town, hes done stuff like this before as vanilla town 4. Because I said so |
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RE said: How did you even come to that conclusion? Sigh, I dont know why I should always repeat myself. 1. It's not a PR (I dont believe in scum lynches D1) 2. His role is already known which means, getting rid of a known (useless) role makes the killing pool for scum bigger But alsooo 3. Kyles Behaviour It's a win/win in my eyes, unless we dont lynch at all today and let the night talk. |
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RE said: Wisp-O said: >suggests mass claimno :( >suggests mafia wouldn't suggest mass claim >doesn't claim Why isn't he scum again? he suggested his own wifom lol |
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NewG said: im not useless </3RE said: How did you even come to that conclusion? Sigh, I dont know why I should always repeat myself. 1. It's not a PR (I dont believe in scum lynches D1) 2. His role is already known which means, getting rid of a known (useless) role makes the killing pool for scum bigger But alsooo 3. Kyles Behaviour It's a win/win in my eyes, unless we dont lynch at all today and let the night talk. ive seen two scum lynches happen, so they are possible... My behavior is nothing new... ohh there will be a lynch... id just rather it not be me lol |
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Shinichi-Kun said: what?RE said: >suggests mass claim >suggests mafia wouldn't suggest mass claim >doesn't claim Why isn't he scum again? he suggested his own wifom lol |
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NewG said: Logic's way scummier than Wisp (and I think Wisp has been townie of the late - especially his case against logic). And logic also claimed a useless role.Sigh, I dont know why I should always repeat myself. 1. It's not a PR (I dont believe in scum lynches D1) 2. His role is already known which means, getting rid of a known (useless) role makes the killing pool for scum bigger But alsooo 3. Kyles Behaviour It's a win/win in my eyes, unless we dont lynch at all today and let the night talk. Fact is scum do get lynched day 1. |
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| Vote Count 1.10 roz1roz (2): logic340, RE yurkin (2): Karote, NewG Karote (1): yurkin logic340 (1): Wisp-O NewG (1): Phraze RE (1): Taker Shinichi (1): Century Wisp-O (1): Tainted Not Voting: Pokeit, roz1roz, Shinichi http://itsalmo.st/#lavieennight1 |
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NewG said: RE said: How did you even come to that conclusion? Sigh, I dont know why I should always repeat myself. 1. It's not a PR (I dont believe in scum lynches D1) 2. His role is already known which means, getting rid of a known (useless) role makes the killing pool for scum bigger But alsooo 3. Kyles Behaviour It's a win/win in my eyes, unless we dont lynch at all today and let the night talk. -Scum can easily fake claim a PR idk what ur smoking lol -I wont lynch just to throw away a useless claim. -What about his behavior |
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| @shinichi-kun why are u not voting... @tainted why do you hate me so :'( @yurkin I dont think ur scum just from lurking alone... i expect more from you later |
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Wisp-O said: So why can't he claim vanilla town? He should just do it.RE said: >suggests mass claim >suggests mafia wouldn't suggest mass claim >doesn't claim Why isn't he scum again? 1. Hes tried this before, as town (no scum would do this tbh, surprised DV got so much shit last game for this) 2. Hes right 3. Hes most likely vanilla town, hes done stuff like this before as vanilla town 4. Because I said so Also, grrr suggested mass claim as scum in Pyro's Rainbow Six. |
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RE said: grr Wisp-O said: So why can't he claim vanilla town? He should just do it.1. Hes tried this before, as town (no scum would do this tbh, surprised DV got so much shit last game for this) 2. Hes right 3. Hes most likely vanilla town, hes done stuff like this before as vanilla town 4. Because I said so Also, grrr suggested mass claim as scum in Pyro's Rainbow Six. and because he likes manipulating the game, idk, ask him... |
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Wisp-O said: @shinichi-kun why are u not voting... @tainted why do you hate me so :'( @yurkin I dont think ur scum just from lurking alone... i expect more from you later it will either fall on gwen logic roz or karote |
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Shinichi-Kun said: why karote? and im ok with any of those, Roz being the least to the point that i'd rather not see him lynched at all, but i cant stop yallWisp-O said: @shinichi-kun why are u not voting... @tainted why do you hate me so :'( @yurkin I dont think ur scum just from lurking alone... i expect more from you later it will either fall on gwen logic roz or karote |
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Wisp-O said: why karote? and im ok with any of those, Roz being the least to the point that i'd rather not see him lynched at all, but i cant stop yall Hes not cooperating, which is a valid reason to vote someone |
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Wisp-O said: NewG said: if there is even the slightest chance of me flipping town u should mind... you sound more and more like scum!gwen even if I dont correlate you with logic, you are scummy on your own. Your just too ok with my lynchWho's the second? The only reason I suspect him more as a goon was his timing and behaviour. So that's why I wouldnt mind. I'm sorry I myself am as carefree and as towny as I can get, so I really don't understand scumreads out of nowhere on me, which just makes me question them. And you're not making it look any better. edit: if logic is scum and you're town, I'll be your slave for a week @Wisp-O x'DD |
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NewG said: so its omgus then? thats what I get from this... Wisp-O said: if there is even the slightest chance of me flipping town u should mind... you sound more and more like scum!gwen even if I dont correlate you with logic, you are scummy on your own. Your just too ok with my lynch I'm sorry I myself am as carefree and as towny as I can get, so I really don't understand scumreads out of nowhere on me, which just makes me question them. And you're not making it look any better. |
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NewG said: You're in a tunnel at this point. A lot of the accusations you've made against Wisp and Shinichi aren't even scum tells. It also bothers me a bit you aren't holding Wisp to the same standard as logic since both claimed the same role in terms of usefulness. If you really doubt Wisp is vanilla, you should be gunning for the other vanillas to claim.Wisp-O said: if there is even the slightest chance of me flipping town u should mind... you sound more and more like scum!gwen even if I dont correlate you with logic, you are scummy on your own. Your just too ok with my lynch I'm sorry I myself am as carefree and as towny as I can get, so I really don't understand scumreads out of nowhere on me, which just makes me question them. And you're not making it look any better. Do you really think scum!Wisp would make a case like this against logic? |
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Wisp-O said: NewG said: so its omgus then? thats what I get from this... I'm sorry I myself am as carefree and as towny as I can get, so I really don't understand scumreads out of nowhere on me, which just makes me question them. And you're not making it look any better. It's your trying to step in to the conversation by pointing out the set-up (you did that for a while), trying to look helpful, not having your own opinion (voted me after RE suspected you), following other peoples opinion after they stated it and now the timing of your claim. |
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NewG said: His vote on you is ancient. What do you make of his case against logic? It's one of the reasons I'm townreading him now.Wisp-O said: so its omgus then? thats what I get from this... It's your trying to step in to the conversation by pointing out the set-up (you did that for a while), trying to look helpful, not having your own opinion (voted me after RE suspected you), following other peoples opinion after they stated it and now the timing of your claim. |
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NewG said: I pointed out stuff about the setup for the reasons I stated, people still didn't read it, and myself included, and I've done that in many games. I'm not trying to look anything, just trying to find scum. I always juggle my reads off other people, it's nothing new. I'm a weird guy what can I sayWisp-O said: so its omgus then? thats what I get from this... It's your trying to step in to the conversation by pointing out the set-up (you did that for a while), trying to look helpful, not having your own opinion (voted me after RE suspected you), following other peoples opinion after they stated it and now the timing of your claim. |
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| It just occurred to me how troublesome the Those Who Hide category is. Jesus christ. |
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| Those meta reads on yurkin are bs btw but I'll shut my mouth for now because there are more important stuff out there. |
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RE said: NewG said: His vote on you is ancient. What do you make of his case against logic? It's one of the reasons I'm townreading him now.It's your trying to step in to the conversation by pointing out the set-up (you did that for a while), trying to look helpful, not having your own opinion (voted me after RE suspected you), following other peoples opinion after they stated it and now the timing of your claim. Knowing Penta; I don't believe there are two scum in that category. And as of right now I'm willing to believe logics claim. |
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Wisp-O said: NewG said: I pointed out stuff about the setup for the reasons I stated, people still didn't read it, and myself included, and I've done that in many games. I'm not trying to look anything, just trying to find scum. I always juggle my reads off other people, it's nothing new. I'm a weird guy what can I sayIt's your trying to step in to the conversation by pointing out the set-up (you did that for a while), trying to look helpful, not having your own opinion (voted me after RE suspected you), following other peoples opinion after they stated it and now the timing of your claim. I'd like to say that I can't recall you doing that but I think you do. It is still no damn excuse.You can't be weird and do what you want and then not expect to be scumread for it. Check yourself before you wreck yourself! |
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