Monogatari Series: First Season
| Just my rant... Imagine sitting down in front of tv watching a shonen series, or a regular TV show that you love, or even a romance series. All of a sudden, all the good parts are cut off by red, whilte, yellow, whatnot screen saying unscheduled cut, work not completed... You'll forgive it... right? Sure, if it happens once, but what if it kept happening? What if it's all a marketing conspiracy to get Otakus to open up their wallet to buy the completed version? Episode 10... For those who seen it... how many of you actually believe that's an unscheduled cut? I believe(99.9% certain) that it is a freaking conspiracy to get people to buy DVD/BR! They are like bullies, and we're dogs, they tease us with a bone and we kept jumping and not reach the bone. Until we finally decide to pay the price by injuring our own legs to perform a big jump... In other word, we're dogs to them, they want us to break our legs for the bone! They're lucky that their viewers are mostly otakus with little self esteem. If it is to happen in the west where Caucasians are populated, the TV station will be filled with hate letter, people will stop watching and kill the rating, and the company responsible for the abomination known as Bakemonogatari will have trouble finding another TV station that would use them in the future. It is a genius marketing strategy nonetheless, but the popularity they're getting is just too much for me to bear. Beating K-On! in DVD sales, why am I not surprise!?! Sure, K-On!'s not the best show, but at least they didn't "cheat!" Up till Bakemonogatari, DVD promise special features, director cuts, but Bakemonogatari go as far as not even showing completed work to get people to buy their product... that is wrong. Some of you may criticize me because I shouldn't even be able to watch it in the first place(Fan subs), which I got nothing to say. I admit, I shouldn't have gain access to it. More importantly, the fact is, they do not deserve their popularity and high ratings! For those who are supporting Bakemonogatari, you're just opening a road for future animation company to repeat this marketing conspiracy! The same goes to KyoAni and Endless 8, buy the DVDs will ya? I promise you there will be another endless 8... make it endless 99 next time! Tell me you love this people... tell me you can tolerate this, because if you can and still supporting shows like this, you'll get a lot more in the future /rant |
AirStylesMar 25, 2010 6:00 AM
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| I haven't watched it, but damn that sounds like a .. conspiracy? Hmm. Maybe it's a plan devised to make more people buy the DVDs etc. |
AirStyles said: AlexSadist-sama said: I haven't watched it, but damn that sounds like a .. conspiracy? Hmm. Maybe it's a plan devised to make more people buy the DVDs etc. watch it and you'll see... Is it good? Many people seem to like it (though most of the time, this is not a reliable way to get a really good anime worth watching imao). |
AlexSadist-sama said: AirStyles said: AlexSadist-sama said: I haven't watched it, but damn that sounds like a .. conspiracy? Hmm. Maybe it's a plan devised to make more people buy the DVDs etc. watch it and you'll see... Is it good? Many people seem to like it (though most of the time, this is not a reliable way to get a really good anime worth watching imao). the show's alright, but the cuts... gosh... imagine Higurashi like this That is what Bakemonogatari is like. It didn't only happen in the good part, it happens at least 25 times an episode. |
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| ^ o_0 Well.. either they somehow have some technical issues or it's just a ploy to increase the success of DVD sales etc. |
AlexSadist-sama said: ^ o_0 Well.. either they somehow have some technical issues or it's just a ploy to increase the success of DVD sales etc. so far, out of 10 episodes I've seen, all 10 episode have the same problem, the show quality are somewhere near Newgrounds.com, in fact, I've seen better animation on newgrounds.com... professionals can't manage every single week! I posted a video for the most horrible scene if you like to check it out. |
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| ^ Damn. Sounds like poor quality to me. I'll be watching the vid in a sec. |
| Well, I don't get why you're so angry though. It's not like youre gonna buy the dvd right? We're all just gonna DL the dvd rips anyway right? =) |
| Okay, I get what you mean now. Wtf. There are constant image interruptions (the red/yellow backgrounds). |
kenjinsakura said: Well, I don't get why you're so angry though. It's not like youre gonna buy the dvd right? We're all just gonna DL the dvd rips anyway right? =) I just hate to see shows like that... I'd gladly say good thing about good show, buying DVDs even(In fact I bought DVD, VCDs, even rented anime in the past when I lived in Asia). But I can't get over the fact that they're popular for what they did... The world shouldn't work this way. When you hand in an exam paper incomplete, you fail... sure you might still pass, but not writting down the answer to important questions or your name/ID number... You fail! It's just wrong for them to be famous, and for so many to call it the best show ever made... If people rant about Moe-blob, because they want less of it... why can't I rant about this abomination? I do not wanna see another example of it! AlexSadist-sama said: Okay, I get what you mean now. Wtf. There are constant image interruptions (the red/yellow backgrounds). I know, now imagine that on all your favorite show, still think you'll like them? If people kept supporting this crap, there will be more of these |
AirStylesMar 25, 2010 6:10 AM
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Essen said: Episode 10... For those who seen it... how many of you actually believe that's an unscheduled cut? I believe(99.9% certain) that it is a freaking conspiracy to get people to buy DVD/BR! You know, reediting, redrawing, redubbing, adding new scenes and episodes and so on - this things are not really new for dvd/bd editions in anime industry. I did mention it, if you read the whole post, you should see that I wrote about DVD having special features and crap like that to make it more desireable. but going as far as not even showing a completed work? If a TV series such as 24 is like that, I'm not even going to buy the DVD, I'd stop watching as a whole. |
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| I have no clue about the 'behind the screen' details but crappy series is crappy. |
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| hmmm, I always just thought that was the way the show is. I didn't know that they were withholding scenes from us. I enjoy it regardless, it's in my top 5 shows this year. I might even download the BD version with this knowledge. Thanks man! |
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| These red screen pisses me off. |
| -Fixing- |
| This has absolutely nothing to do with money conspiracy. SHAFT was just in luck. SHAFT is relatively small studio than any other production companies. The number of staffs are small. Last year, with that circumstance, they still managed to do Mario holic, Natsu no arashi two seasons, third season SZS and bakemonogatari. They cannot really change the airing schedule; it's totally dependant on 'producer' company like aniplex. Due to the serious time management problem arised with their other animes; natsu no arashi dvd and Zan saryonara zetsubou sensei. So, rather than cancelling their anime, showed incompleted slide-shows. It's their fault, but it's no conspiracy. They also showed incompleted and cheap episode for Zan sayonara zetsubou sensei 'EVEN MORE THAN' Bakemonogatari and fixed it in DVD, yet the selling was less than Bakemonogatari. You can't really related those slide-show as a reason for high selling. It did affect it, but it's only an indirect reason. The main reason bakemonogatari displayed miraculous sales on DVD and Blu-ray, was their extremely good art-style and character design regardless of being incompleted, and its clever development on story and characters containing a lot of otaku appeals. |
| Allright allright, fucking chill down that is a fucking anime, not a freacking religion. |
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Chao-Lingshen said: Anime is my religion.Allright allright, fucking chill down that is a fucking anime, not a freacking religion. |
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Yup said: Chao-Lingshen said: Anime is my religion.Allright allright, fucking chill down that is a fucking anime, not a freacking religion. I am no beleiver to begin with =/. |
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Chao-Lingshen said: Don't believe in yourself, believe in the me who believes in anime.Yup said: Chao-Lingshen said: Anime is my religion.Allright allright, fucking chill down that is a fucking anime, not a freacking religion. I am no believer to begin with =/. |
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Chao-Lingshen said: Allright allright, fucking chill down that is a fucking anime, not a freacking religion. I agree, you should only watch anime to enjoy and to escape the real world if only for 24 minutes, stop taking anime so seriously. |
Chao-Lingshen said: Thank You!! I'm reading this and finally I run into a bit of truth. Bakemonogatari doesn't need seamless quality. If this was an action show like Dragon ball z then yes, I would be pissed off. But who cares if while the characters are talking (mind me just talking) there are cuts of red, yellow, hell they could have just had an error sign. I enjoy their style of animation and their way of doing things. I just find it interesting, Airstyles, that episode 10 is the only time where it does this excessively when something is actually happening and that's when you start to bitch about it. In almost all the other episodes it only does this while there is talking or walking or bicycle riding. In these cases why the hell does it matter? I'll tell you why. It doesn't. Don't put down an anime because it's different than another. Maybe it's because I'm all about conspiracies made by anime industries and how they plan to steal everyone's money, give everyone cancer, and plunge the world into WWIII. Hey war's good right? It's just a show, don't bash down on it for it's peculiarity. Let them make some money with dvd/br releases. They deserve it. It's ok though. I'm just an idiot too. I'm only 0.01% sure I even know what the hell I'm talking about. So I guess your knowledge outweighs mine.Allright allright, fucking chill down that is a fucking anime, not a freacking religion. |
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Yup said: LOL. A great thing you have done today.Chao-Lingshen said: Don't believe in yourself, believe in the me who believes in anime.Yup said: Chao-Lingshen said: Anime is my religion.Allright allright, fucking chill down that is a fucking anime, not a freacking religion. I am no believer to begin with =/. |
Yup said: Chao-Lingshen said: Don't believe in yourself, believe in the me who believes in anime.Yup said: Chao-Lingshen said: Anime is my religion.Allright allright, fucking chill down that is a fucking anime, not a freacking religion. I am no believer to begin with =/. Rofl, I saw this one comming ._. |
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| SHAFT employees spend most of their time smoking pot or doing other drugs, cut them some slack. |
fujita said: i wanna giva ya a hug lol..but really iam with this guy I have felt that I needed a hug lately thanks. And of course my opinion is JUST an opinion. Sorry for any bad feelings I brought up XD |
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Shadesblade said: Chao-Lingshen said: Thank You!! I'm reading this and finally I run into a bit of truth. Bakemonogatari doesn't need seamless quality. If this was an action show like Dragon ball z then yes, I would be pissed off. But who cares if while the characters are talking (mind me just talking) there are cuts of red, yellow, hell they could have just had an error sign. I enjoy their style of animation and their way of doing things. I just find it interesting, Airstyles, that episode 10 is the only time where it does this excessively when something is actually happening and that's when you start to bitch about it. In almost all the other episodes it only does this while there is talking or walking or bicycle riding. In these cases why the hell does it matter? I'll tell you why. It doesn't. Don't put down an anime because it's different than another. Maybe it's because I'm all about conspiracies made by anime industries and how they plan to steal everyone's money, give everyone cancer, and plunge the world into WWIII. Hey war's good right? It's just a show, don't bash down on it for it's peculiarity. Let them make some money with dvd/br releases. They deserve it. It's ok though. I'm just an idiot too. I'm only 0.01% sure I even know what the hell I'm talking about. So I guess your knowledge outweighs mine.Allright allright, fucking chill down that is a fucking anime, not a freacking religion. I agree with this. I had no problem with it until that part in episode 10. |
Yemi_Hikari said: I can't see why they were lazy. They definitely had problem of budget and time management, but it doesn't reflect their laziness. Still, they fixed the problems in Blu-ray, which I think, can be excuse on SHAFT's side. It WASN'T cheating. They just had bad luck at that time. As I said in the previous post, they did this numerous time before already, failing on managing things get done in time. We have current SHAFT failure Dance in the Vampire Bund and ZanSZS. Their animation quality was pretty much equal to Bakemonogatari, yet got a bad reputation than good, contrast to Bakemonogatari which got spot light still having slide show problem. Calling incompleted scene as a marketing strategy is just absurd; since it most of the time makes the DVD sales decrease< I can just tell you tons of examples on it.However, if what is said is true, that those scenes are stuff that they cut due to budget and time issues, and they plan on replacing it, for me, that ruins the series, simply because it doesn't fall into the experimental catagory anymore. It falls into the not putting in enough effort. Only real problem I had with watching was episode 10. Other than that episode, it wasn't really a problem. Also, it is definitely not cheating at all; this happening always goes hit or miss. If you showed incompleted animation and other elements such as characters, plot was shitty, no-one will by that DVD; even less than what it should've been. However, if animation was incompleted, but story and characters were real good, people will buy more. Bah. I can't really see reason calling it 'cheat'. |
ringoo4Apr 5, 2010 2:11 AM
| i like it, but sometimes it gets boring as hell and they talk about random things... i usually skipped those moments.. |
| hmmm.... i always thought those cuts were done on purpose like they didnt want to show us the bloody scene or what not. But now that I think about it, it makes sense. |
| The cut-screens are meant to be artistic, not cut beacuse of delay or budget. bakamono has very rich animation, so why the producer's may have not had money for such short scenes? Also the intensity od blank screens is diffrernt in different scenes, sometimes giving a feel of confusion and dynamics. Watch some other shaft anime and then rant, damnit. It's just a way they express. bakemono isn't anime for everybody. It you don't like it, don't watch it. |
| ^ most are artistic purpose, but some aren't. All the monochromes with the text 'Koyomi Line' or 'Hitagi line' w/e is the scenes where it got cut out due to their time management failure. All the others are shinbou's usual direction; artistic purpose which is not coming from budget problem. However, it is not really much; it did not contain that 'someone line' scene at all until 5th episode, there was about 2 or 3 second total of that scene in suruga chapter, about 10 seconds in Nadeko. Honestly, it is not really significant. It did not really effect the thing at all. I just want people to watch blu-ray version before even start complaining. There isn't much really. What they did is just filling that tiniest amount of 10 seconds total missing scenes from entire series, and fixing animation errors. |
| we have different tastes, then. I think ef is boring shit about nothing. |
| ^ No. It's an exaggeration. About 98% of those black red screen scenes are how that anime is, and it remained same in Blu-ray version. Only 2 % was for the replacement, and it actually indicated that they are the scenes need to filled. The definite example is Bakemonogatari Volume 1. I have both TV series version and Blu-ray, and try to compare both of them to see how much they are different. Surprise surprise, I found about 4 'fixed' seens, but nothing else was changed. All the red black seen was still in the right place without being replaced. YET, it sold about 70000 discs in the first week. It is simply ridiculous even for otaku trying to buy this 'ultimate failure fucked bakemonogatari' for just 4 fixed scenes. The fixed animation is definitely out of all the reasons that made bakemonogatari to have miraculous BD sales. It just the plain fact that most of people liked Bakemonogatari's story telling style, dialogues, characters and arts. Fixed animation should never be an explanation for its success. AirStyles said: Having animation errors that will fixed in BD anyway doesn't mean it is fucked. Ef series also had significant amount of animation errors that is fixed in DVD. Learn it.I did watch other shaft's anime I love ef.a tale of memories. But Bakemonogatari is plain f*cked. |
| dude, I watch the airing bit, but at the very least, ef- didn't leave stuff out on purpose, (even if they did, it's not that damn obvious) |
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| It wasn't out on purpose. Bakemonogatari suffered from 'time management' plan. It's nothing industrial. Their timeline was strictly formated and there is no-way they can change it. Think a bit more; You have homework that's on deadline tomorrow, and you didn't finish it entirely. So, the only way is inevitably handing in unfinished assignment you have on that deadline first, and later beg for mercy to teacher handing finished one later. That's exactly what Bakemonogatari got. They got flamed enough for having slideshows, so SHAFT decided finish their work for the fans. Rather than blame them for powerpoint presentations, I actually want to thank them for at least finishing animations. I mean, have a deep think about what Lazy Studio DEENS has done to Umineko, and how they never fixed errors in their series. Calling shaft lazy is just all out of logics. |
ringoo4 said: It wasn't out on purpose. Bakemonogatari suffered from 'time management' plan. It's nothing industrial. Their timeline was strictly formated and there is no-way they can change it. Think a bit more; You have homework that's on deadline tomorrow, and you didn't finish it entirely. So, the only way is inevitably handing in unfinished assignment you have on that deadline first, and later beg for mercy to teacher handing finished one later. That's exactly what Bakemonogatari got. They got flamed enough for having slideshows, so SHAFT decided finish their work for the fans. Rather than blame them for powerpoint presentations, I actually want to thank them for at least finishing animations. I mean, have a deep think about what Lazy Studio DEENS has done to Umineko, and how they never fixed errors in their series. Calling shaft lazy is just all out of logics. On evey single f*cking episode?!?! Think for a sec! I stated, if it happens once or twice, I wouldn't have even cared, even if it only happen once as bad as episode 10, I'd forgive it, but every, single, freaking, week. If I couldn't finish my assignment and hand in unfinish work every, single, freaking, time, I'd fail already!! again, it's not once, it's every, single, freaking, week! They are proffesionals for crying out loud! I've seen a crap load of 1 episode quality drop, 1 episode of laziness, etc etc. I never cry about those. Heck, Gunslinger Girl season 2 got little funding and the quality dropped, I didn't cry about it because they are in fact doing what they can with the little budget they have. THe problem with Bakemonogatari, is not complete a single episode, not even 1. This show, is not even finish, and some people hail it as all time great, something is terribly wrong there! It's like saying, "I write a half complete book... with some dialogs not completed, some jumpy plot, but if done right, it'll be the best book... so it's the best" CHRIST! If you agree with the line above... I won't even bother reasoning with you anymore. tillow214 said: Personally I've grown rather fond of the cuts. I can't even image Bakemonogatari without them. Whether it was marketing strategy (as AirStyles said), time management issues (most likely), or just how the anime was made to be, I think it adds to the uniqueness and quality. .... Picture those things on half the new release from now on... I hope you still enjoy it. |
AirStylesApr 7, 2010 7:31 PM
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| I thought it was just the way the animation was done. I really like it, I think it is tasteful and different from everything else. Either you like it like that or you don't.... |
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AirStyles said: What if I release my book online for free and then sell the edited version? Everybody makes edits to stuff they sell, you seriously think everybody makes everything perfect the first time or that there aren't any changes in movies, books, TV shows from the first airing to the "definitive" DVD/BD releases? The whole concept of "director's cut" is disagreeing with you and your stupid trolling.It's like saying, "I write a half complete book... with some dialogs not completed, some jumpy plot, but if done right, it'll be the best book... so it's the best" CHRIST! If you agree with the line above... I won't even bother reasoning with you anymore. Corners are cut for most TV airings of anime, everybody knows this, Bakemonogatari just happened to have more than usual. Why this mystifies you I cannot fathom. I guess you rage at censors too, huh? |
kuroshiroi said: AirStyles said: What if I release my book online for free and then sell the edited version? Everybody makes edits to stuff they sell, you seriously think everybody makes everything perfect the first time or that there aren't any changes in movies, books, TV shows from the first airing to the "definitive" DVD/BD releases? The whole concept of "director's cut" is disagreeing with you and your stupid trolling.It's like saying, "I write a half complete book... with some dialogs not completed, some jumpy plot, but if done right, it'll be the best book... so it's the best" CHRIST! If you agree with the line above... I won't even bother reasoning with you anymore. Corners are cut for most TV airings of anime, everybody knows this, Bakemonogatari just happened to have more than usual. Why this mystifies you I cannot fathom. I guess you rage at censors too, huh? I don't rage at censors stuff. In fact I watch a lot of stuff censored. I only rage at Bakemono because they release a work that is not close to being completed. I do knew about censorship as well as editing, but Bakemono just gone a bit too far that everysingle episodes points at "marketing strategy". Director cut is alright, because they already release a full version that's watchable, the director cut, back stage interview, special effect explanation, everything. But to release a work that absurd and still get recognise for being the best show by some... NO!! that is freaking wrong. Having deleted scene or saving things to attract DVD sales is okay, but going as far as that? NO! I never even rage at episode in anime with bad animation like most other people, because at least they finish the work, having unfinished work every single freaking episode is bad. |
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AirStyles said: Did you even watch the blu-ray version at all? It seems you didn't, my bad. Most of episodes had about average 4 or 5 fixed scene which is just slightly more than what other animes do. Plus, all the recent online streaming episode has zero unfinished scenes if you care.On evey single f*cking episode?!?! Think for a sec! I stated, if it happens once or twice, I wouldn't have even cared, even if it only happen once as bad as episode 10, I'd forgive it, but every, single, freaking, week. If I couldn't finish my assignment and hand in unfinish work every, single, freaking, time, I'd fail already!! I've seen a crap load of 1 episode quality drop, 1 episode of laziness, etc etc. I never cry about those. Heck, Gunslinger Girl season 2 got little funding and the quality dropped, I didn't cry about it because they are in fact doing what they can with the little budget they have. THe problem with Bakemonogatari, is not complete a single episode, not even 1. This show, is not even finish, and some people hail it as all time great, something is terribly wrong there! You know, you absolutely make no-sense at all. First, you said you hate all those incompleted ones were cheating and industrial purpose, my focus was entirely there and rebutted. Now, you are just pissed off about entire existence on those 'incompleted scenes' themselves without apparent reasoning on what I actually asked you. I mean seriously, I highly suggest you to watch the actual BD version. You will see how much flawed you've been. + what kuroshiroi said. AirStyles said: I don't rage at censors stuff. In fact I watch a lot of stuff censored. I only rage at Bakemono because they release a work that is not close to being completed. I do knew about censorship as well as editing, but Bakemono just gone a bit too far that everysingle episodes points at "marketing strategy". You obviously didn't read my previous posts. |
ringoo4Apr 8, 2010 3:50 AM
ringoo4 said: AirStyles said: Did you even watch the blu-ray version at all? It seems you didn't, my bad. Most of episodes had about average 4 or 5 fixed scene which is just slightly more than what other animes do. Plus, all the recent online streaming episode has zero unfinished scenes if you care.On evey single f*cking episode?!?! Think for a sec! I stated, if it happens once or twice, I wouldn't have even cared, even if it only happen once as bad as episode 10, I'd forgive it, but every, single, freaking, week. If I couldn't finish my assignment and hand in unfinish work every, single, freaking, time, I'd fail already!! I've seen a crap load of 1 episode quality drop, 1 episode of laziness, etc etc. I never cry about those. Heck, Gunslinger Girl season 2 got little funding and the quality dropped, I didn't cry about it because they are in fact doing what they can with the little budget they have. THe problem with Bakemonogatari, is not complete a single episode, not even 1. This show, is not even finish, and some people hail it as all time great, something is terribly wrong there! You know, you absolutely make no-sense at all. First, you said you hate all those incompleted was a cheating and industrial purpose, my focus was entirely there. Now, you are just pissed off about those 'incompleted scenes' themselves without apparent reasoning. I mean seriously, I highly suggest you to watch the actual BD version. You will see how much flawed you've been. + what kuroshiroi said. first, if you're telling me only 4~5 "unschedule cut"out of over 15 per episode is fixed in the BD If you're telling me that the BD version is going to still have anymore of those "unschedule cut" crap, I'm thanking god I didn't buy/donwload a single episode, cuz not only they didn't finish it in time,(quite possibly on purpose) they didn't even bother to try finishing it on BD. but, if you're suggesting that the BD version did cover all of the "unschedule cut" and fix up 4~5 animations... There we go, marketing! I said I wouldn't have minded if they actually couldn't make it in time and release bad quality episode, but to completely leave them out is wrong. not just one week, every single week. they're paid professionals, (Oh no! Do not cry about how poor those animators are, I don't care!) To have more than 15 unchedule cut every single episode is absurd. It is definitely marketing strategy. Again, they are recognized, highly rated, for a show they didn't even bother to finish, because... hey, lets use it to our advantage and make it DVD attraction. screw completing even a single episode. I remember watching ef-a tale of memories, the animation is actually similar to Bakemonogatari. It have a few blanks, but it's alright. (I don't know whether it's deliberate or not because it is that insignificant and didn't have cheating written all over it). I'd gladly buy ef- BD to support them if they ever show up in my country. but Bakemono went too far. It's like handing in a test paper to your teacher. writting class Teacher: "Why is some of the sentences left out, they could be great?" Me: "Pay me money and you'll see the full sentences. why should I write you?" a good DVD cover should be like this Teacher: "There are some blanks." Me : "I can't finish it in time, and I think I like to save some of my idea for a future release. maybe even state it in author's note about how I get those ideas and crap" there. Powerpoint presentation, sure, but to have cuts... that many cuts! It have cheating written all over it. I don't care that DEEN did worse when it comes to quality, at the very least, the work they did didn't have cheating written over it. an finally I did not call them lazy, I call them cheating! |
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