Shounen with girly gay guy inclusion?

EratiK said:
The most memorable homo I ever saw in a shounen was in Shaman King, but he guy is manly (delinquent, does kendou, etc).
I vaguely remember Deadman Wonderland had one, but I don't think he was girly (it's been a long time).

If you want bishounen I guess the closest thing is Kurapika from Hunter Hunter, but of course he is'nt gay.

As said in the other thread, I doubt there's any shounen with the character you want, it just doesn't fit the shounen specifications.

EratiK said:
Sorry if I have offended you, but as said in the other thread, Japan is a very moral, and rigorist country, showing some cleavage there is considered being a whore, homosexuality is very badly perceived, and is taboo, and is traditionnally associated with manliness, which is why the average hetero there pursues androgyny rather than muscles.

Now in this context, in a country facing depopulation, do you think a genre targetted to 10 year olds with their dads looking over their shoulder is going to promote open and normal homosexuality in any way? Really?

MHL00 said:
Everything Eratik said here is true and you can't argue with him anymore. Hard truth for you I guess. You could try No. 6, 2 really cute guys really close to each other, but no kiss scenes, except some kiss on cheek scenes. Sound and plot are very well done there.

KurvosVicky said:
Yeah, I know all about Japan being so fucking retarded they associate manliness with homosexuality. Doesn't excuse them from being retards thinking like that, but... sure.

Pffh... "facing depopulation"... oh, boo-fucking-hoo. As if that will ever be a crisis. Especially in a world we keep increasingly overpopulate. Also, they already are including homosexuality in Shounen animes. See no reason to be slightly more diverse with it. Who says the gay inclusion the animes already have won't "affect" them? It's irrelevant either way since being gay isn't a choice.

EratiK said:
I know the genre doesn't cater to you but there's no need to be disrespectful. Japan's association of homosexuality and manliness has nothing to do with retardation, reasons are mostly historical, but maybe you've never heard of cultural relativism.

Next, depopulation is a crisis there, and very real: the towns with decreasing population have economic problems, which means less infrastructure maintenance, and utlimately whole towns will disappear.

Finally, in shounen, the problem isn't wether being gay is a choice or not, it's the representation of normal homosexuality that is not acceptable for a medium adressed to children. It would be scandalous. Being scandalous is the worst thing that could happen to a company in Japan. It's like losing face, everyone turns their back on you, and you're boned forever.

EratiK said:
not acceptable for a medium adressed to children.

Red_Keys said:
We need more F-cup bimbos with entire financial departments dedicated to the animation of their grotesque chest-basketballs, and positive depictions of physically violent and abusive romantic relationships.

EratiK said:
@KurvosVicky
Honestly, you're not Japanese, Japanese media isn't adressed to you, not sure why you feel you're being oppressed. Pretty sure the Japanese LGBT community doesn't think like you. You have a beef with Japanese anime, fine, but on an anime site don't expect an anime bashing to be met with apathy.

EratiK said:
You seem to misunderstand, the problem isn't that I don't care (I do care actually), the problem is that your own standards of homosexual representation are only valid in your cultural area (that's what I meant by cultural relativism above). Why you would ask a whole country's media from another cultural area to fit your own standards is a complete mystery to me. If you just thought about it, you'd realise how nonsensical it is.

EratiK said:
This is so hard to explain. The fact that think how you do (even if it's outside the box) means it's valid in your cultural area (regardless of majority).

EratiK said:
Maybe I wasn't clear, I care about it in my country, but shounen anime aren't up to me, and aren't up to you either.

KurvosVicky said:

What, it doesn't fit shounen specifications to have a femmy gay dude - but a masculine gay dude, or a feminine straight dude - those fit the shounen specifications? Bullshit. Don't come to me with that logical fallacy.

Don't say anything if you don't have anything worthwhile to say. Just go and enjoy being represented in shounen and enjoy fapping to your damn oversexualized girls - fuck us faggots, right? -_-'

Anowser said:

Go fucking read a yaoi, or shonen-ai if you want to see faggots, shonen isn't for gay people

EratiK said:
For someone begging for tolerance you seem pretty intolerant yourself.

nikola1809 said:
Damn you have some problems. If a media says that they despise feminine man that does not say anything direct to you. You people are about thinking outside the box, yet when you are asked to do the same you bash those people. Now this is a probably a troll thread, but if it ia not stop making excuses and go there live your life as you fucking want. Also you live in sweden you should be happy you dont live in saudi arabia would be dead by now and still complaining. Instead of caring for that you care about how anime treats minorities. I really really respect anime to bending to its creator wishes and stays according to story. Not like hollywood lets add a few blacks a few women in our medieval mercenary groupbbecause why not.

MHL00 said:
OP, Japenese don't give a single fuck about your opinion, nor do we. Be happy you are living in western Europe where population is slowling declining due to gay acceptance. Russia and all countries on Asia kill gay people on the street. Japan is the only country there that has actually accepted stupid American rules and allows gays to walk freely on the street.

lady_freyja said:


You need a lot of self-control to deal with him, on the other topic I refrained for not snapping when he started to insult the author of Terra e just because she had to follow the shōnen norm, especially the one from the 1970s decade. At a time where the Western culture was no better if not worse (it was the period of Les amitiés particulières and Death in Venice which are probably "homophobe" for @KurvosVicky while the original stories were written by actual gay/bisexual people).


Actually, the animanga medium is pretty interesting from a LGBT point of view, but yup, you have to accept that it is a totally different culture and thus accept to start again from scratch and refrain to use the Western notions (notably labeling anything slightly different as "homophobe"). I learned a lot of things and started to reconsider myself as a being, or at least looking at myself with a different lens.
And I'm saying this not as an homosexual, but as a trans'. While it's far more easy to find decent (from a Western standard) homo' representations than trans' ones.

Stripesu said:
OP you're being radical as fuck. Chill.

lady_freyja said:
@KurvosVicky

I hesitated to mention it since the previous topic, because I had the feeling that you won't want it because it is a comedy, or more exactly a parody, so everything is exaggerated, kind of over the top.

Patalliro Sayuuki!.

It is a parody of Sayūki, a traditional Buddhist tale, where notably the character of Son Gokū from Dragon Ball is coming from.
So it's an adventure, with some actions scenes… and a lot of funky/weird stuffs. Most notably in the main cast there is the character of Banko Rakan who is a « bishōnen-killer », meaning every bishōnen fall for him like for a « lady-killer » with women.

So here you'll have both action and a lot of gay stuffs with extremely girly bishōnen. But it is a parody, so there isn't much serious content in it and a lot of things are ridiculous.
But no tragic death, no one-sided crush on a straight guy, no ambiguous subtext.

lady_freyja said:

Yup, that's the point of the « bishōnen-killer ».
The original Patalliro! is a parody of James Bond, and since Bond is a « lady-killer », here Bancoran is a « bishōnen-killer ». Bancora act a the bodyguard of a little guy called Patalliro.
Different assassins (all bishōnen) are sent to kill Patalliro, but they all fall in love with Bancoran and ends up killed or arrested up until something like the 5th assassin, Maraich, who decide to becomes an ally for staying with Bancoran, living with him.
But Bancora is a bishōnen-killer and thus continue to seduce others bishōnen, and Maraich is extremely jealous. A lot of comedy are coming from that element.

In the spin-off Patalliro Sayuuki! things are similar and different at the same time.
This time it is Genjō (Maraich) whose everyone try to kill, but he is protected by Son Gokū (Patalliro). While Banco Rakan (Bancoran) is an heaven warrior who comes to help from time to time because he fell in love with Genjō. Genjō himself fall in love with Banco shortly after.

But there is still other bishōnen, both from the Heaven or Demon, and Banco still seduce them too. All the bishōnen are extremely jealous, so they often fight each other blablabla…

The main difference is that the anime of Patalliro Sayuuki! doesn't adapt all the manga, so there is no proper conclusion to the romance between Banco and Genjō unlike the original Patalliro! where they live together, but they often kiss or sleep together nonetheless.


I didn't mention the original Patalliro! because the fansubbing is dropped at the episode 17, and the action is a really minor element, I wouldn't even call that "action" in fact.


It's not about "being gay" or not that I have my doubt about it for you. There is no doubt about the gayness of that franchise. It's more the parody part that makes me doubt. Some people might find it "offensive" I guess, since all the characters are here to makes people laugh and are ridiculed at one point or another.

nikola1809 said:
You really are fun to play with. Either you are a sick human being or a troll. Thing is your view on homophobes is no less than the view of hitler on jews. And yes japanese manga artist can do what they please they can put all the LGBT shit in their mangas, it might not sell well but it is allowed. Japan is the country with best tolerance on gays. They do not discriminate them, but they also do not encourage which is why we have peaceful gay parades every year, and not the likes of those in the west. Where it is more about fetishes and sex, seeing half naked men in spandex grinding their dicks in public. Come on now call me a bigot. Also sweden population is declining, only reason it is afloat is because of immigration.