| Not necessarily a biblical sin, or a moral sin. Really, anything you can find a reason to hate. (Please know the definition of enabler; I'm sure some of you are likely to get it wrong.) Is the murderer worse, or the one who gave him a weapon? Are the makers of shitty anime worse, or the people that let them make money off of it? Is Hilary/Trump worse, or the people that nominated him/her? Is Eve worse, or the serpent? Discuss |
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| Well if you were being judged in court for instance, the guy who did the crime would definitely be a candidate for punishment, where as being an enabler or accessory to the crime is a less defined role to be in. Generally speaking, whoever commits the deed is the first guy you look towards in terms of blame. However, of course there could always be exceptions to this rule and your examples are indeed all over the board, so. |
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| In practice, the sinner is worse. Personally, I find them both equal in guilt. |
| Sinner. It's his choice in the end. While in some cases enabler might be more dangerous, in the end he wouldn't be able to do anything if sinner didn't agree. |
| Both intentionally take part in the commiting of a crime/sin so neither of them is better or worse than the other I think. This is basically a twisted application of the "It's the thought that counts." sentiment, but it holds its ground nonetheless. |
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| I find the sinner to be worse, simply because he had the option to stop doing the deed. That said, there are going to be some exceptions, such as when the sinner didn't have a solid grasp as to what he was doing, and when the enabler was also being a manipulator. |
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| The sinner, since he chooses to commit the act. The enable simply doesn't act, but the enabler alone doesn't sin. Without the sinner there is no enable. It is the root. |
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| Life itself is the enabler. Our ideas of morality and justice exist because life does. If life is worse than the consequences of life, then we can only just enjoy the irony of life or kill ourselves away. |
| It's the instigator that is the worst, man. An enabler can't encourage something out of nothing, nor can a sinner react to it. It is the person who created the weapon who is the root of evil, not the person who gave it to the sinner nor the sinner himself. |
Status_EffectJan 13, 2017 8:00 AM
Status_Effect said: It's the instigator that is the worst, man. An enabler encourage something out of nothing, nor can a sinner react to it. It is the person who created the weapon who is the root of evil, not the person who gave it to the sinner nor the sinner himself. Same line of thinking leads me to believe that it was the mother of the criminal who is the root of all evil. Kill mothers. |
| What is with you and your deep philosophical threads today? Humans are imperfect, conformist, and curious creatures. No matter how hard we try we'll somehow "sin" at the end of the day. Of course the enabler is worst for taking advantage of the instincts engraved in humans. |
Trance said: Hahaha. Status_Effect said: It's the instigator that is the worst, man. An enabler encourage something out of nothing, nor can a sinner react to it. It is the person who created the weapon who is the root of evil, not the person who gave it to the sinner nor the sinner himself. Same line of thinking leads me to believe that it was the mother of the criminal who is the root of all evil. Kill mothers. I wasn't being quite serious, anyway. While instigators are often the cause, it's not exactly their fault. Look at dynamite for example, the guy who invented that didn't want it to be a weapon, but that doesn't mean Jimmy didn't want to give Frank the dynamite to blow up the neighbours dog. :/ |
Status_Effect said: Trance said: Same line of thinking leads me to believe that it was the mother of the criminal who is the root of all evil. Kill mothers. Haha. I wasn't being quite serious, anyway. While instigators are often the cause, it's not exactly their fault. Then you need a better conclusion, mate. A better perspective, as it were. |
| If you are to blame the enablers, it is only the doer himself. As Sartre would posit the radical freedom, that we have always a choice on our decisions, so Eve eating the apple after the serpent's temptation would still account Eve culpable, for she always had a choice on eating or not eating it. The murderer would always have a choice on not murdering even he had his weapon at hand Hillary/Trump being elected is caused by the people. but the possible outcome and consequences that would ensue is not. Makers of shitty anime is to blame, or possibly, the one who consider their craft as shitty. My point is, if you are just going to blame those who had enabled you to enable that deed, you might as well blame that which enabled that which enabled that which enables that which enabled that... ad infinitum, going to an infinite regress that is quite absurd. |
JomsJan 13, 2017 6:15 PM
| both share the blame, but the sinner definitely deserves more of it. Its a symbiotic relationship where the enabler would have no one to enable without the sinner and the sinner wouldn't be able to act without the enabler, at the end of the day though the sinner is the one with the messed up ideas in the head, the enabler is just the smarter and more sinister of the two. |
| I dunno to be honest, I guess it is not who is the sinner but the damage it has cost. Like, what justifies someome to be "blmaed" for their action. Mhhh... I dunoo... |
| They are both bad for different reasons. Practically, the sinner holds utmost responsibility though. |
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thegreatnathyboy said: 'gonna have to go with the good old "depends on the situation" card here Can you elaborate when do you think that the enable is worse than the sinner? |
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| Now that y'all have responses, my two cents: The enabler is far worse, even in the case that the sinner already had the motive. These apply in nearly all cases: He has the same guilt, as a knowing facilitator He always has a motive; either a self-serving, or a purely malicious He's using the sinner, as it's something that benefits him more when someone else does the deed (otherwise he'd just do it himself) |
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thegreatnathyboy said: TheBrainintheJar said: ' Can you elaborate when do you think that the enable is worse than the sinner? say a murderer wants to enter a house to kill someone. however, they cannot get in. a person who is a family friend of the victim has a key to the house, and just happens to be angry at the victim at that point in time. so, he lets the murderer in the house I see your point. The enabler is worse if, without the enable, the sinner couldn't commit their crime. I get you right? |
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| Sinner. Ah, except if the enabler played an even bigger role than simply providing the means for the sinner to push through with the act... like say if the sinner was completely unsure about committing the sin in the first place but the enabler goaded him into really going through with it. Never mind, they're both equally guilty. OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!! |
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