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Jul 22, 2016 8:13 PM

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Frozenkex said:
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I mean what did she offer?




Yeah, she is pretty interesting unless you simply hating on characters because they are in highschool.

and you will see that there have been plenty of highschool (a setting I'm sick of at this point) anime where the MC gets dragged into some magical conflict


The only thing you can say about it is that some main characters are young (17) , i wouldnt call it even high school setting. There only 2 events that happen at the school, everything else is elsewhere. In 2nd season there is no school at all.

even though he isn't exactly experienced he has some random power that keeps him alive


He has the same power that Kiritsugu had in the end, that keeps him alive. For someone who liked Zero you seem to not have paid much attention to either story.

there are a few waifu's for him etc.


What waifus? Saber is motherly character in UBW and guardian to both Shirou and Rin, so there is only Rin.

Are you honestly going to pretend that the concept of F/SN is somehow unique in anime?


Not pretending anything. It is unique.

dumbing down characters from F/Z


Haven't you realized yet that those characters are from FSN and not the other way around?

Different characters have less focus depending on the route they are in. This should be obvious, given how little coverage Rider had, you don't even know what her noble phantasm is. Kirei, Rider, and Illya has more stuff in Fate route and Heaven's feel route.


Your bias is showing here too you know, lol.

How is any of that interesting? You basically just gave a generic description of her, don't see any depth here nor any development. Also she did have a damsel in distress situation where she had to be saved by Lancer which you conveniently left out.

She had zero chemistry with Shirou. The romance was cringey & forced.

I can't take her seriously, she is the typical waifu (said waifu's before because Shirou gets 1 per route, typical porn game's) for the protagonist. She isn't really consistent with her beliefs & set goals and just changes with the plot. At times she is ready to kill Shirou or at least go against him, the next she is with him etc.

There isn't anything compelling to her character and her interactions with Shirou and Archer (the latter is probably the only interesting character of UBW) are boring. If she actually was focused on winning the war Shirou be damned & didn't act like a generic tsundere she might be interesting.

Instead her character "arc" is very predictable.

The highschool setting is still used which quite ridiculous & forced, just another thing that turns the war into a joke in this series. Yeah there is a holy grail war going on, time to go to highschool with a bs excuse & the main characters are still teenagers.

It seems you are getting saltier with every post, lmao. Kiritsugu actually trained for years and wasn't just another boring MC who gets dragged into some conflict with almost no experience and still survives & fights much more capable characters.

Him fighting against Archer & Gilgamesh is ridiculous and makes them look pathetic.

Keep believing its unique, thats nostalgia talking mate. And the route system is shit too & seems like an excuse for Shirou to have different waifu's. Why not have one story where he gradually develops?
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Jul 22, 2016 8:17 PM

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Shirou has been training his magic every night for like 8 years since Kiritsugu taught him magic. It just took a little push from Rin or Archer to make it all come out.
"I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says.
I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby".
"She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other."
Jul 22, 2016 8:22 PM

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FullyErect said:
Shirou has been training his magic every night for like 8 years since Kiritsugu taught him magic. It just took a little push from Rin or Archer to make it all come out.


Does that qualify him to fight with Archer or freaking Gilgamesh? He trained on his own (no professional training) & had some bs projection magic going on thats it.

Kiritsugu trained since he was a kid with Natalia and went on dangerous missions (not just chilling at his house & cooking). And he still just fought against other "normal" humans/Mages not against servants.
Jul 22, 2016 8:31 PM

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Omni_slash95 said:
FullyErect said:
Shirou has been training his magic every night for like 8 years since Kiritsugu taught him magic. It just took a little push from Rin or Archer to make it all come out.


Does that qualify him to fight with Archer or freaking Gilgamesh? He trained on his own (no professional training) & had some bs projection magic going on thats it.

Kiritsugu trained since he was a kid with Natalia and went on dangerous missions (not just chilling at his house & cooking). And he still just fought against other "normal" humans/Mages not against servants.

No since Archer was kicking his ass for pretty much the entire fight. By the end, Shirou had pretty much absorbed Archer's experience and his inherent incompatability with Archer spurred him on to show Archer why his ideal wasn't wrong. Archer could have easily cut him down but no longer had a reason to do so.
Projection magic didn't work against Gilgamesh. It was UBW that did and GoB fares poorly against UBW anyways. If he was fighting any other servant Shirou would still be killed.
Like I said, Shirou had been spending every night of several years training and bringing himself to near-death in the process; doing housework has nothing to do with it. Shirou even thought that performing magic was supposed to risk one's life every time.
"I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says.
I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby".
"She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other."
Jul 22, 2016 8:38 PM

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FullyErect said:
Omni_slash95 said:


Does that qualify him to fight with Archer or freaking Gilgamesh? He trained on his own (no professional training) & had some bs projection magic going on thats it.

Kiritsugu trained since he was a kid with Natalia and went on dangerous missions (not just chilling at his house & cooking). And he still just fought against other "normal" humans/Mages not against servants.

No since Archer was kicking his ass for pretty much the entire fight. By the end, Shirou had pretty much absorbed Archer's experience and his inherent incompatability with Archer spurred him on to show Archer why his ideal wasn't wrong. Archer could have easily cut him down but no longer had a reason to do so.
Projection magic didn't work against Gilgamesh. It was UBW that did and GoB fares poorly against UBW anyways. If he was fighting any other servant Shirou would still be killed.
Like I said, Shirou had been spending every night of several years training and bringing himself to near-death in the process; doing housework has nothing to do with it. Shirou even thought that performing magic was supposed to risk one's life every time.


Just hard to buy thats all, I would say the same if Kiritsugu suddenly fought Gilgamesh in F/Z and somehow prevailed with some "special" ability.
Jul 22, 2016 8:41 PM

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can people at least read the wiki before comparing f/sn (Which isn't even actually complete as a anime) to f/z? especially when calling f/sn kiddy when it isn't at all.
Jul 22, 2016 9:09 PM

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Omni_slash95 said:
Just hard to buy thats all, I would say the same if Kiritsugu suddenly fought Gilgamesh in F/Z and somehow prevailed with some "special" ability.

Well from the perspective of the storyteller Kiritsugu was never supposed to win in the same way Archer would be doomed forever to his fate. Shirou's role in UBW was to find an answer for his ideal that Kiritsugu never did and his role in HF will be to make the selfish choice that Kiritsugu would never make.
"I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says.
I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby".
"She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other."
Jul 22, 2016 10:02 PM

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How about you guys get back on topic?

I thought the movie/OVA was mediocre, but the anime series has fixed a lot of the issues so far including:

1) Lack of backstory on why whatsherface was there.
2) Whatsherface didn't act like an idiot.
3) They cut out a fight scene in the ruins that didn't really contribute to the story.
4) MC was more tolerable and less childish.

If anything Ufotable seems to have put a lot of effort behind this series, and I am enjoying it quite a bit. With that said I am disappointed the first two episodes were wasted recovering the movie/OVA. We also have to see how they handle the mysticism when they get to the capital. This could turn extremely dull and generic very quickly.
Jul 24, 2016 10:12 AM

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Watch the latest episode...I'd say it's better than the game already
Jul 24, 2016 10:13 AM
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MediocreHero said:
Even though I dropped it, it didn't think God Eater was that bad. Also video game adaptions aren't always bad. I thought Shingeki no Bahamut: Genesis was good.


Shingeki no Bahamit was new kind of bad(in my opinion)
Jul 24, 2016 10:22 AM

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Vuk_Spasic said:
MediocreHero said:
Even though I dropped it, it didn't think God Eater was that bad. Also video game adaptions aren't always bad. I thought Shingeki no Bahamut: Genesis was good.


Shingeki no Bahamit was new kind of bad(in my opinion)

Agreed. That shit was unwatchable IMO as well.

Seriously, the only great game adaptation i can think of is the Persona 3 movies. Also, people who played ToZ seem to agree that the adaptation is superior, so there's that.
Jul 25, 2016 8:01 AM

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Watched episode 00 which was great. Episode 1-2 were boring. 3 in human world a bit better. Score after 1-2 was 6/10 for me. After 3 it is 6-7/10.

I'll decide after episode 4. Hoping the other humans soon will be able to see Seraphs or at least Alisha. Otherwise this might be boring. Also politics (with those noble guy and church guy and possible war they mentioned) could be more important/intersting and not only adventuring and fighting monsters.

I think such slow and less intersting plot is probably more suited for a game where you also have interaction and gameplay that keeps interesting.

Imo the 7.9 score on MAL extremely high - probably boost because of game fans and people that value animation higher (cause animation and action seems good).

Since I have already Endride and Alderamin on my list which I'm going to watch until end this one has to get still a bit better in episode 4 for me to not drop it. (2 other fantasy would usually alreay be enough and they have more plot and better/interesting chars especially Alderamin.)
Jul 25, 2016 8:13 AM

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Well if VN adaptations count as video game adaptations then Video game adaptations are ok. Google included those when I serched for them

Steins;Gate and FSN are VN adaptations Well, I like Fate/Zero the most which wasn't adapted from a VN but still lol
Jul 25, 2016 8:14 AM

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Luthandorius said:
Watched episode 00 which was great. Episode 1-2 were boring. 3 in human world a bit better. Score after 1-2 was 6/10 for me. After 3 it is 6-7/10.

I'll decide after episode 4. Hoping the other humans soon will be able to see Seraphs or at least Alisha. Otherwise this might be boring. Also politics (with those noble guy and church guy and possible war they mentioned) could be more important/intersting and not only adventuring and fighting monsters.

I think such slow and less intersting plot is probably more suited for a game where you also have interaction and gameplay that keeps interesting.

Imo the 7.9 score on MAL extremely high - probably boost because of game fans and people that value animation higher (cause animation and action seems good).

Since I have already Endride and Alderamin on my list which I'm going to watch until end this one has to get still a bit better in episode 4 for me to not drop it. (2 other fantasy would usually alreay be enough and they have more plot and better/interesting chars especially Alderamin.)


Hey, Alderamin is pretty good. I dropped endride though
Jul 25, 2016 11:23 AM

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How long these retarded threads will be created?
Ufotable doesn't own Fate nor Tales of series nor God Eater and any other adaptation they make.
They don't make series using their own money but from budget given to them by production committes like Aniplex (Fate) or Bandai Namco (GE and ToZ) and these companies get all revenues from disc sales and merchandise.

Stop making them into some gods of anime. Yes, their animations quality are great (that's why they always make only 1 cour series and then they needs pause whole season, that's why God Eater was such production failure). But animation isn't everything. Of course there is no point complaining about them it when it comes to plot because all scriptwriters and directors they worked for their recent productions were freelancers.
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Of course there is no point complaining about them it when it comes to plot because all scriptwriters and directors they worked for their recent productions were freelancers.


Most if not all the director and Scripswriters are Ufotable employee.
Jul 30, 2016 1:56 AM
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God Eater wasn't bad though?

Besides I'm not familiar with the Tales series but this anime might get me into it which is an anime's primary job.


I'm not sure which universe you're from where god eater wasn't universally reviled, but yeah. And no, an anime's job is not purely to successfully solicit consumers to purchase products, but to entertain.


Speak for yourself dude. I didn't find the God Eaters anime bad at all, my biggest complaint was by far the huge delay around episode 10 or so. It wasn't a masterpiece or anything but I think utofable did a damn fine job considering the source story.
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It's not often you find someone willing to defend FSN 'round here. But f'real, let's not kid ourselves, it's a porno game. We all know they stuck those ridiculous sex scenes in it to sell more copies.


At time when FSN was released, Visual Novels could barely sell without sex scenes. If you wanted to make a VN, you needed to have them, otherwise the risk of failure grows rapidly. Typemoon, which was a new company at the time, was not about to take the risk. Nowadays, they cut out the sex scenes from new releases.
Not to mention that FSN's success as a story was one of main reasons why non-eroge VN's became a thing.

With that all said, having sex scenes does not make something a porno game, unless you are a Mormon or some other fanatical Christian/Muslim who thinks that having a little sex in a story makes you porn.

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Really? NEVER!!?

Outstanding:

Fate Stay Night, Stein;Gate, Clannand, Air, Persona, Kannon, ef: A Tale of Memories, Gungrave...

Decent

Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, Little Busters, Tales of the Abyss, Danganronpa, Sengoku Basara , Senjou no Valkyria, Layton Kyouju to Eien no Utahime, etc. (any many other adaptations that some of us really enjoyed).

Shows like Pokemon, Yu Gi Oh, and Digimon, that where and are very popular betwen the young ones.


To be perfectly honest, most of these are Visual Novels which are only technically games. They are more like novels.
Regular video games are less often successful (and VN's themselves fail more often than not).

Also, some like Gungrave sucked when they reached the parts from the game and shone when they weer in original material.


Visual novel adaptions don't really fail any more than any other media sources. Actually, manga probably have a higher fail rate simply due to the sheer volume of adaption that that media receive.

Visual novels are the 2nd hardest to adapt (after video games) but usually only really successful ones gets adaptions. They also don't tend to cater to shameless wish-fulfillment in the way some manga and virtually all light novels do (something anime fans LOVE), despite the fact that the format always starts things off in a harem-like setting.
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lawlmartz said:
Did ufotable not learn their lesson with God Eater?
Video game adaptations are never a good idea.
What is ufotable's problem?
Does anyone actually want this

(Yes, I do recognize that these decisions are made entirely by men in suits, not consumer demand or lack thereof)


Video game adaptations are Ufotable's specialty anyway. Aside from Kara no Kyoukai, most of their stuff is video game or visual novel adaptations. It's not their first run with the Tales of- series either. They adapted Tales of Symphonia a couple of years ago. I never played the game themselves, but I'm pretty sure from the trailers that they're the ones behind the cinematics in the Tales of Zestiria game and the upcoming Tales of Berseria. I think that they're even enhancing the source material with this anime. They did a great job, disregarding the two teaser episodes for Berseria that they put in the middle, no matter how awesome they were. That was a weird decision on their part. Good publicity for the upcoming game, though.
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Somehow , this show..the soundtracks..the animations...really reminds me of how they make fate zero... :)
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They've set a standard for CGI + Anime. Heck, even without the CGI the drawings itself are simply gorgeous.

Hopefully, moving forward we'll get to see more of this kind of shows or adaptation.
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They've set a standard for CGI + Anime. Heck, even without the CGI the drawings itself are simply gorgeous.

Hopefully, moving forward we'll get to see more of this kind of shows or adaptation.


>when you don't realize that all anime is CGI.
>>lol
How to fix the review section, detailed here

The average reader (HS level) reads at about 200 WPM. So a 500-800 word review should take 3-5 minutes to read. That's an acceptable length for something you're interested in spending 25 minutes to 4.5 hours of your life watching.

Oh, and ANN requires any and all reviews to be 800-1200 words, no matter the length of the show.
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Geez its feels like im coming across a lot of biased assholes on MAL that makes these shitty hate threads, just because something doesn't float there boat, whelp I expect nothing less from Generation Bitch.


Also there are plenty of anime based off games that are extremely good and the CGI in Zestiria Turn X looks great with the water, attacks and the dragon.

God Eater got a pretty good score, hell even the people on God Eater Wiki agree that the anime made a far more better MC then the games because Lenka has PERSONALITY.
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I just watched this video and I thought it was quite fitting for this topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYJ8Jgt8MwI

Ufotable's name actually comes from... A table that is somewhat shaped like an UFO.

Ufo-Table

I learned something new :)

Aug 22, 2016 10:20 PM

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ufotable did a carppy show again. I guess they used all of their inspiration for F0

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Honestly this anime is merely promotion for the games. On that note, i think they did a pretty good job, A much, MUCH, better job than the other "promotional" anime, being Rewrite.

I probably wouldn't have had an interest in getting Zestiria if i hadn't watched this anime, I'll probably end up getting Beseria eventually as well. Although, its still quite some time from its intended release date.

But yeah, this show could've been much worse. Cant say its great or anything, but its certainly more watchable than many other shows airing this season.
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Yeesh if everybody could let this thread die that would be great. It'll only took half a brain to know that ufotable did the animation inside Zestiria and Berseria and considering Berseria is launched during the airing of this anime, you can then easily deduced that the anime is pure advertisement. Heck I'm sure the men in suits actually predicted they won't make much money out of the anime but more money on the games being sold instead.

....and from Berseria's first few weeks sales it seems their plan succeeded as well. I wonder how many weeks Berseria is going to hold the top 5 rankings....

Marketing people, just need some common sense....
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Shinji said:
Idea Factory made great anime though.


yeah, I wish IF makes an anime for feiry fencer F

Neptunia was a successful game so the anime was successful, unlike zestiria which was bad
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Is that supposed to be your reply? I say she has depth and you say "no depth"? "typical" isn't just a buzzword you can throw around everywhere without giving any examples or evidence.

Where have you seen something like FSN a dozen times? Maybe watch it while not drunk.

Anyone can simplify an anime to misrepresent it as bad:

Cowboy bebop - an episodic show of group of people with no chemistry or char development that do odd jobs until MC dies, the end.


Well you didn't explain how she had depth so I didn't do it either. I mean what did she offer? Just being an indecisive brat who says multiple times she will "kill" Shirou, then as expected it doesn't happen and we get some cringey romance where she keeps blushing.. The route barely focused on her character in any meaningful way, it was more about Archer & Shirou.

She tried too hard to be badass and at the end kept coming back to Shirou anyway, nothing interesting about her.


Of course not exactly like F/SN but just look through the last few years and you will see that there have been plenty of highschool (a setting I'm sick of at this point) anime where the MC gets dragged into some magical conflict and even though he isn't exactly experienced he has some random power that keeps him alive, there are a few waifu's for him etc.

Are you honestly going to pretend that the concept of F/SN is somehow unique in anime?
Especially compared to F/Z? C'mon

Because of the lackluster uninteresting characters, the lack of battle royale atmosphere (I call it the kiddie version of F/Z), dumbing down characters from F/Z etc. it was just not a very good anime for me.

Not going to change my opinion on that, if you enjoyed it good for you.

I'll watch HF and maybe that one is better and actually answers some questions at least.


Why the hell are you guys discussing fate in here?!

This is zestiria discussion
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Honestly this anime is merely promotion for the games. On that note, i think they did a pretty good job, A much, MUCH, better job than the other "promotional" anime, being Rewrite.


EVERY adaptation is a promotion for the source material. The only exceptions are adaptations of works that have finished a long time ago (like Parasyte and Ushio).
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