What created God?

Thebigofan said:
People created god. God is made in their own image.

Vinston said:
Humans did.

RedRoseFring said:


Then what about the gods who are so distinct from humans? How do you think those came about, huh?

militrix said:
people get inspiration from reality to create their fictional characters tho

try imagining a color you've never seen, no you can't

CondemneDio said:


Just as made up as other fictional characters.

RedRoseFring said:


Really? Didn't we go down this road before? Then how do you suppose these people came up with ideas more than 4000 years ahead of their time? How do you suppose for instance they arrived at timelessness when we are only just realizing the implications of dimensions beyond space-time?

That's a lot of faith you are putting in these people's supposed ingenuity, dare I say maybe more so than anything you could possibly muster. Were they just that much smarter than you?

militrix said:
yes this in fact this is how the pyramids were made too

CondemneDio said:


Oh boy...
Somebody just wrote/made up some fictional things while high on something. It is just as easy as that.

RedRoseFring said:

Oh boy...
Somebody just wrote/made up some fictional things while high on something. It is just as easy as that.

That position never ceases to be amusing. It is too scary to face the idea head on, so it is just dismissed without any actual substance because the cognitive faculties required to face it head on are too demanding.

It's as charming as those who thought Einstein was just making stuff up.........until it turned out to the contrary.

CondemneDio said:


I'm gonna ask you the same question; are you scared that your holy book may just be the raving of a drunken madman? :)
I have nothing to fear from a dusty book.

RedRoseFring said:


No. So I turn the question on you: are you scared that they may be more to said book?
After all, I'm the one facing both positions head on. You're the one running away from one because the implications may be too scary for you.

Do not worry. Fear is a common enough reason for people of said position to avoid discourse. Fear has always been a lazy excuse to dismiss ideas, so it's no surprise it is employed in this case ;)

CondemneDio said:
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RedRoseFring said:

You're obviously running away because your answer is empty:

"It's fiction because I know it is."
That won't get you far on any solid reasoning, especially when asked the question of how people could posit an idea millennia ahead of its time, when it even still remains beyond comprehension.

How about actually facing the question head on? Is it that scary? You did avoid it before.
You could even try for a safe route and say "they just got lucky", even though such an answer would be equally as lacking, at least it would hint at honesty at being flabbergasted.

CondemneDio said:


I have no reasons to believe in what you believe. You can not give any "solid reasoning" for the existence of a god. What is this " idea millennia ahead of its time" you keep talking about? Thoughts on the idea of time and/or matter?

I have faced the question before. I found my answer. Religion is toxic. God is not real. Bible is a lie.

RedRoseFring said:

I'm not looking for you to believe what I believe. Obviously that won't happen over the Interwebs. I am simply asking you a question that you are avoiding either for fearful or unknown reasons.
And yes, it was in reference to the space-time issue.

I also agree that religion is toxic.....just like anything else humans get their hands on, so what would be your solution? Get rid of the humans who are inevitably the root issue or go with another system that would end up being just as toxic?

CondemneDio said:


What's your reason to believing people from that time period couldn't have understood these things without a divine intervention? The thought that people back then were stupid?

Go with another system, that is universal (as in, affects all humans) that emphasizes the good points of humankind, and rejects the bad ones. Sounds like fiction, and will probably be never achievable. Still better than putting your "faith" into the hands of a non-existent being.

RedRoseFring said:

There's actually a couple of reasons; no one was searching for it in the first place, not even indirectly, so it goes beyond mere serendipity.
It wasn't just radical in its appearance, but also in its distinction from virtually every other practice of the time.
The fact that it is streamlined (to an extent) with present understandings that people could not even begin to consider at the time.
Also the fact that it bore no known significant advantages for the person who purported it. In fact, it was the opposite.
The location and the historical consequences that followed also bears mentioning.

You're right, your suggestion does sound like fiction and rightfully so.
I disagree that it is better than putting faith in a non-existent being because the outcome would be the same. Those are both untenable positions.
What would be better is putting faith in an existent being, especially one deserving of it by...you know....creating everything that exists, hence my position.

CondemneDio said:


huh...
All I can say is; when you are certain of something, you learn to find reason in the weirdest of places. Your reasoning bends to reassure you are right. Everyone, who has fought for their opinions, does this (yes, even me). When another person does this from the opposing direction, you attack it.
I'm afraid we've once again reached no other conclusion, that we have differing opinions.

RedRoseFring said:

Such is life.

Go said:
I'm God, not one of you can deny it.

Caelidesu said:

You're not God.

There. I denied it.

QED biatch.

AO968 said:
God is a man-made concept, just as religion itself is. It's something we invented as an excuse to not care about the things we have no (solid) explanation for.

Paella_ said:
of course he isnt bcoz he isnt a Serb

GOD IS A SERB

AO968 said:
God is a man-made concept, just as religion itself is. It's something we invented as an excuse to not care about the things we have no (solid) explanation for.

RedRoseFring said:


That's the opposite actually. Most religions care deeply for those supposedly unexplained phenomena, so much so that sacrifices were mandatory for certain things and following certain rules and regulations as well....if you wanted to live anyway.
There's also the contradictory caveat that it is still deeply intertwined with things we do have solid explanations for.

So you may have to come up with a better explanation to dismiss it I'm afraid.

khunter said:


He could have said originally, which would have been accurate. Now, as a species, we know so much more than some religious group in 10,000 b.c, and that group knew more than some group 10,000 years before that.

Regardless of my belief, I'd say it's man made for not one single reason. Faith however, plays a large part in religion and a belief system, and is probably the most important thing you can have here. Faith might be one of those human traits we desperately need.

RedRoseFring said:


Originally is just as wrong. Primitive peoples still cared very much about their practices, and they remained just as inquisitive. In fact, it is that curiosity that kept blossoming throughout history that helped us learn more and more, and religion was always part of it.

Saying it was just an explanation for unknown things they didn't care about has always been a faulty if not ignorant argument.
Faith plays a large part in everything. You can't have human interaction without faith.

Alternate-genio said:


So the fuck can I.

khunter said:

First part on why a belief in god was created, not at all. Obviously. There's no real 100% know to that anyway.

AO968 said:
God is a man-made concept, just as religion itself is. It's something we invented as an excuse to not care about the things we have no (solid) explanation for.

Vinston said:
Humans did.