My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, As I Expected (light novel)
| Is YUKINO A SUPREME BITCH!!!!!!!!! Why The Hell she gotta be such a bitch to Hiki. Does she like him? Does she Hate Him? Hikki should just stop interacting with her completely. Focus more on Yui. Also Haruno is a creep for fucking around with a highschoolers life. Both these sisters need to be out of Hiki's life EDIT:U hh i just read the light novel in one go (up to volume 10)and i somewhat understand what most people are telling me. I guess the adaptation got me too emotionally hung up on someone who was opposing hiki and clearly make me dislike them. Dont get me wrong, i still detest yukino as i just hate how she just emotionally berates people even though i get it she does it to help them. But i finally dontthink haruno is a creep, just a wierd person. Still will get pissed of as fuck if he doesnt end up with Yui. |
abyss333Apr 25, 2015 11:16 PM
| Shirayuki= Most Perfect Female MC ever |
realision said: You are misunderstanding things that are blatantly obvious. (1). Yukinoshita hates his methods. She does not hate him. Her whole philosophy of life is to help people solve their problems, and I quote the first few episodes of the first season, "and help them stand on their own feet." She hates Hachiman's methods because 1. It is self degrading, 2. It is a temporary fix, although it is effective, and 3. It does not take into account others' feelings. She does things her own way, by being "cold," she is trying to help Hikki. So no, she does not hate him. Otherwise she would not give him the time of day. That is the kind of girl she is. (2). Yukinoshita Haruno is not a creep, and no she should not be out of Hachiman's life. Although I agree that her appearances are somewhat random, you must have forgotten that Yukino and Haruno have a very... peculiar relationship with one another. Hikigaya is the first one to interact with Yukino at Sobu High School (on a regular basis), and thus Haruno becomes interested in him. Her actions can be explained in three ways: 1. She wants to help her little sister, 2. She is intrigued by Hachiman's views in life, and 3. She acts that way to everyone, not just Hikki. Do you recall that Haruno said, "So she won't be picked again, huh?", at the summer festival? That shows that the reason she is meddling so much with Hachiman is because he may end up with Yukino, who Haruno obviously cares for, no matter what her actions may be. (3). You are missing the point of the anime. The whole point of this show is to portray society from the eyes of someone who has lost his place in it. How his cynical thinking slowly but surely changes. How characters, people, mentors, help him change along the way. It is to realistically display social situations and show the irony of a facade of friendship, and the desire of everyone for a something "genuine." Thank You for creating an account just to help me understand the anime Bettter. I actually got most of the anime, i still dont like how she thinks her problem solving methods are any better than Hikis'. She has no right to shit on him daily just because he does things his own way. If she cared about him so much, just go be his friends, there is no need for this passive aggressiveness bullshit she shows of to Hiki. I think Haruno might not be a creep but she definetly does not need to bud in Hikis life like she does. Shes an adult and should have better things to do. And even if she does care about her sister a lot, doesnt mean that she should put Hiki through the pointless (and sometimes hurtful) situations that she creates for him. I guess i dont understand the anime completely but i do get most of it and it is to potray Hiki's outllok on life and how he changes. But both these 2 sisters make his life much harder and have no affect on him getting better. Atleast YUi and the sensei is openly trying to help him and even Hayato is helping out. Yukino just hurts him while trying to help him , theres no need for that pointless waste of time to Hiki |
| Shirayuki= Most Perfect Female MC ever |
| Are hate threads and flame baits like these even allowed? Or is that just a peculiarity for the SAO fandom, because last time I made a thread like this, it got locked right away.. |
DeigerApr 24, 2015 11:20 PM
| - My creativity is plummeting. - |
Deiger1111 said: Are hate threads and flame baits like these even allowed? Or is that just a peculiarity for the SAO fandom, because last time I made a thread like this, it got locked right away..  |
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TooEzGamming said: At least, she has a complicated characteristic. Until now, we still don't know how she think about Hachiman. One more reason why she become like that is Hachiman's methods. He solved the problems but the way he did it is too cruel for someone who care about him. TBH, In this situation Yukino just want to protect Hachiman but she doesn't know that Yui will do the same thing. For me , she doesn't deserve to be hated. Sorry for my bad English. |
realision said: You are misunderstanding things that are blatantly obvious. (1). Yukinoshita hates his methods. She does not hate him. Her whole philosophy of life is to help people solve their problems, and I quote the first few episodes of the first season, "and help them stand on their own feet." She hates Hachiman's methods because 1. It is self degrading, 2. It is a temporary fix, although it is effective, and 3. It does not take into account others' feelings. She does things her own way, by being "cold," she is trying to help Hikki. So no, she does not hate him. Otherwise she would not give him the time of day. That is the kind of girl she is. (2). Yukinoshita Haruno is not a creep, and no she should not be out of Hachiman's life. Although I agree that her appearances are somewhat random, you must have forgotten that Yukino and Haruno have a very... peculiar relationship with one another. Hikigaya is the first one to interact with Yukino at Sobu High School (on a regular basis), and thus Haruno becomes interested in him. Her actions can be explained in three ways: 1. She wants to help her little sister, 2. She is intrigued by Hachiman's views in life, and 3. She acts that way to everyone, not just Hikki. Do you recall that Haruno said, "So she won't be picked again, huh?", at the summer festival? That shows that the reason she is meddling so much with Hachiman is because he may end up with Yukino, who Haruno obviously cares for, no matter what her actions may be. (3). You are missing the point of the anime. The whole point of this show is to portray society from the eyes of someone who has lost his place in it. How his cynical thinking slowly but surely changes. How characters, people, mentors, help him change along the way. It is to realistically display social situations and show the irony of a facade of friendship, and the desire of everyone for a something "genuine." this too. |
| More on topic; Yukino isn't perfect. She's clumsy, cold and alienating in her social interactions. She is not being a bitch, this kind of attitude has always been part of her character. She's upfront, confronting and idealistic. Shrugging off what she perceives as wrong is just not for her. But at the same time, she is not able to precisely articulate where Hikki is wrong either, because, well he gets the results. Her involvement now is not on a purely logical but emotional. She dislikes it that he compromised his ideals and embraced superficiality; because that was what both of them believed tied them together. Now? Not only is he continuing to throw himself under the bus, but he's also sacrificed the only things they both shared, an unyielding loyalty to ideals, brutal honesty and refusal to put up with superficial bullshit. Of course she's bound to be disappointed here. It's natural. She alienated her entire family and social circle, she lives life alone and without a single friend, on basis of these principles. Why is she a bitch only when she disagrees with Hachiman? Better yet, just what has she done to get that label in the first place? She doesn't abuse him physically and now not even verbally either like before. She just told him 'I don't like how you do these things' and then genuinely questioned his intentions with 'I thought you and I hated superficial things'. She's disappointed, she doesn't agree with him. Then I am forced to ask, does having an opinion suddenly make you a bitch? |
| - My creativity is plummeting. - |
| She's definitely disappointing but I don't think she's a b*tch. Haruno, on the other hand, is relatively harmless so you shouldn't worry about her that much, imo. |
worldeditor11 said: Even though I hate to admit, I agree. I don't think this is a problem with feel's adaptation but just part of the substance that is inherently lost in the transition between prose to visual media. As I said before, the anime is rather poor in characterisation of their characters due to their sole focus on plot progression. This gave rise to people hating characters because of x reasons despite nobody deserves any kind of hating. One of the problems when the anime let its audience decide most of the meaning behind certain scenes. One must ask, is this the story told by the audience or told by Hachiman? Take the latest episode, for instance. When Haruno said; 'Oh, so you understand everything, don't you, I quite like boys who read between the lines' after Hikki talks about knowing something about her relationship with Yukino, it came off like a nod to Hikigaya's deductive prowess and insight and whatnot, essentially showing him to be some sort of saviour that understand everything. Then, in the LN, a simple phrase in the narrative changes the entire context It's almost impossible to project that level of understanding to the audience with an anime. I truly got goosebumps reading that line, but in the anime, that part had nigh none of the impact it had as LN, but I can't honestly say it is a problem with the adaptation either. |
| - My creativity is plummeting. - |
| she just doesnt want hachiman to hypocrite with his own ideal and belief.. which is something genuine that she actually yearns from him and iirc her sister too. Add up the fact that she doesnt tell 'lies' and she's bad in socialising, it sure looked that she's treating him meanly. welp its better to read the novel to have a better insight why the character is acting in such a way imo. |
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abyss333 said: I actually got most of the anime, i still dont like how she thinks her problem solving methods are any better than Hikis'. She has no right to shit on him daily just because he does things his own way. If she cared about him so much, just go be his friends, there is no need for this passive aggressiveness bullshit she shows of to Hiki. Except that Yukino is not that kind of person. She's someone who will tell it to you straight, even more if she regards you as a friend, since she believes that you will benefit more from harsh honest truth, than minced words, and that is something that was established ever since the first episode of the series. Personally, I think this is a trait to be admired as there aren't many people who will do such a thing for you, and it's what makes her character likable in my eyes. As for Haruno, I don't think she is that much of an adult as you think she is. She's only 3 years older than them, which makes 19, technically still a teenager. She has her own problems and insecurities, which will be revealed later on, not to mention that her motivations are still unclear, so I think we should just wait and see, before judging her character as intrusive or whatnot. Deiger1111 said: Even though I hate to admit, I agree. I don't think this is a problem with feel's adaptation but just part of the substance that is inherently lost in the transition between prose to visual media. Meh, imo, it's the studio's problem, since Feel could have done a much better job at adapting. Let's take the example you gave. The sarcastic remark of Haruno was not made clear by the adaptation, but it could have easily been made so by changing Haruno's smile to a cold one (as written in the novel) instead of her usual one. Another studio Feel fail, is Hachiman's reluctance to be seen in the cafe situation by Yukino and Yui, which was made very clear in the novel, but not conveyed in the anime. |
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Deiger1111 said: worldeditor11 said: Even though I hate to admit, I agree. I don't think this is a problem with feel's adaptation but just part of the substance that is inherently lost in the transition between prose to visual media. As I said before, the anime is rather poor in characterisation of their characters due to their sole focus on plot progression. This gave rise to people hating characters because of x reasons despite nobody deserves any kind of hating. One of the problems when the anime let its audience decide most of the meaning behind certain scenes. One must ask, is this the story told by the audience or told by Hachiman? Take the latest episode, for instance. When Haruno said; 'Oh, so you understand everything, don't you, I quite like boys who read between the lines' after Hikki talks about knowing something about her relationship with Yukino, it came off like a nod to Hikigaya's deductive prowess and insight and whatnot, essentially showing him to be some sort of saviour that understand everything. Then, in the LN, a simple phrase in the narrative changes the entire context It's almost impossible to project that level of understanding to the audience with an anime. I truly got goosebumps reading that line, but in the anime, that part had nigh none of the impact it had as LN, but I can't honestly say it is a problem with the adaptation either. I think Feel is actually trying very hard to get this right, but there are some significant challenges in adapting from a novel where a lot of information is conveyed by a narrators monologue (the classic Blade Runner dilemma). Moreover there are a lot of subtleties that are left to interpretation, even in the novels I think Feel is trying to use a lot of non-verbal queues to nudge us into the same directions as some of the monologues were in the source material. But it is an extremely hard thing nonetheless. It'd be extremely interesting to hear what fans in Japan (who are more sensitive to the subtleties in the language, no matter how good translations we get) are saying about the adaption. I wonder if there is some of the same "Yukino is a bitch" discourse going on. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Uhh i just read the light novel in one go (up to volume 10)and i somewhat inderstand what most people are telling me. I guess the adaptation got me too emotionally hung up on someone who was opposing hiki and clearly make me dislike them. Dont get me wrong, i still detest yukino as i just hate how she just emotionally berates people even though i get it she does it to help them. But i finally dontthink haruno is a creep, just a wierd person. Still will get pissed of as fuck if he doesnt end up with Yui. |
| Shirayuki= Most Perfect Female MC ever |
| As I said before the first season of Yukino is much more likeable and holds true to the character. She was cold yes but she had charm to her. Hachiman and her exchanges were brutal war of words, yet they each poked fun at each other. This season is just Yukino acting like a cold bitch. Does she care about are main character? Yes. Can she go about it in a better way by not being a negative Nancy every step of the way? I think so. She isn't anywhere as like able as she was in the first season and I feel her character went backwards. |
| Ah, all these bitch callouts are so funny. |
zeroyuki92 said: Lol MAL, how easily for some of you to throw "bitch" like it's nothing. I mean, Yukino is not my fav character, but how could Yukino is considered a bitch? The most offensive thing she did is what, becoming a student president? Disagreeing with a friend? Telling an entirely objective criticism to Hachiman without attacking him personally? Liking cat? Come on, duh. Seems like the right time to quote my post back in the episode thread. This is a serious question, I understand how person could do bitch-saying to some other famous tsun/ice character, but Yukino? She even immediately apologized when she was only showing some bit of aggresive reasoning lol. As for the reasoning behind her acts, has been explained quite well above. |
| Yukino just want competition. I have a classmate like that back in college. She loves to criticize people that she "don't get it". Even if you explani it that it's normal, she will say that she thinks it "weird" and childish. |
#CHEXIT |
| I'm not so fond of Yukino but I don't think she's trying to be aggressive. She doesn't really know how to express herself emotionally and it makes sense she has a poor social skills like Hachiman. |
| No way to recall What it was that you had said to me Like I care at all But it was so loud And you sure could yell You took a stand on every little thing And it was so loud |
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