azurestratos said: I see people flippin' cause an MC that the show made out like being dead was instead alive. That's pretty common in mecha anime. So I want to ask why the difference in opinions? I mean most people took it rather well that some characters remained alive, ex. Kira after fighting Athrun, and after fighting Shinn Setsuna after the S1 final battle Some people don't like to enjoy things, and they always look for something to complain about. It's the whole vocal minority thing all over again. Either that or it's: 1. The slaine lovers are complaining 2. the so called "critics" who think they can decide what good and bad writing is. |
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| -There was no character development in first season -"Everyone" who "died" in the last episode remained alive for "reasons" -You dont even have to watch first season,its just optional,nothing important happened,really,just think about it... About this being usual for mecha shows...I only watched Guilty Crown which people tend to hate much much more than this and even in that people mostly died when they are killed...So now im glad im not watching more Mecha shows if you are right.... Its still watchable tho,average show with good soundtracks.And Yandere role will suit Slaine,it will give him a character at least... |
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LonelyWizard said: -There was no character development in first season -"Everyone" who "died" in the last episode remained alive for "reasons" -You dont even have to watch first season,its just optional,nothing important happened,really,just think about it... About this being usual for mecha shows...I only watched Guilty Crown which people tend to hate much much more than this and even in that people mostly died when they are killed...So now im glad im not watching more Mecha shows if you are right.... Its still watchable tho,average show with good soundtracks.And Yandere role will suit Slaine,it will give him a character at least... No one died though in the last ep. they were just shot. |
| because it would be so much better if inaho stayed dead idc about the princess |
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silverwalls said: because it would be so much better if inaho stayed dead idc about the princess He was never dead to stay dead. he was just wounded. |
| Everyone being alive after that is bad. Even the count survived after being shot multiple times. He is not even a main character. This is like dragonball I won't even care if someone dies because they will be resurrected after a few episodes. I rarely watch mecha so I'm not used to characters surviving like that. The princess being alive is fine but as for Inaho and the count its really lame. |
goodbyedays said: Everyone being alive after that is bad. Even the count survived after being shot multiple times. He is not even a main character. This is like dragonball I won't even care if someone dies because they will be resurrected after a few episodes. I rarely watch mecha so I'm not used to characters surviving like that. The princess being alive is fine but as for Inaho and the count its really lame. How exactly is it lame? I mean besides personal opinion, everything that happened makes sense. It's all explained. |
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Okashi_sama said: silverwalls said: because it would be so much better if inaho stayed dead idc about the princess He was never dead to stay dead. he was just wounded. Then it would have been better if he died. :) |
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| I think our problem is we're taking this show too serious and we need to look at it with the same mindset as if we're watching Space Dandy since characters can die and just come back the next episode. |
Mugen24 said: I think our problem is we're taking this show too serious and we need to look at it with the same mindset as if we're watching Space Dandy since characters can die and just come back the next episode. i sound like a broken record now. They were never dead to just come back next episode. |
| Shooting 2/3 main characters in the head and make the viewer believe they are dead is worse than coming back to life for me it's just feels like they desperately wanted people to watch season 2. Well duh ofc they want but they couldn't have done it in an lazier way than they did) And OP where did you get that from Seed Destiny or something? I've seen a great amount of mecha anime and once a character is dead he is dead. NVM you did lol |
MaorJan 11, 2015 4:43 AM
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| They made midseries finale too sensational. |
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| If I remember correctly only one or two bullets hit Saazbaum and not in the critical area (his arm) I still wonder who saved him. |
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| Shot him and then save him......okay. Yeah I haven't seen ep 1 yet. |
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KamiAlice said: goodbyedays said: Everyone being alive after that is bad. Even the count survived after being shot multiple times. He is not even a main character. This is like dragonball I won't even care if someone dies because they will be resurrected after a few episodes. I rarely watch mecha so I'm not used to characters surviving like that. The princess being alive is fine but as for Inaho and the count its really lame. How exactly is it lame? I mean besides personal opinion, everything that happened makes sense. It's all explained. They explained nothing. Yes, the bullet for Inaho went through a regoin of his brain that wouldn't leave him dead immediately. They would still need a Tenma-level doctor to miraculously save him. But they didn't mention that at all. All that happened was that he was carried from the underground to the ship and then use him to power the ship and fly away. For the princess they didn't even go that far to explain how a head shot and a shot through the lung didn't kill her immediately. She just survived what I guess were like 10-15 minutes before she was put into that life-saving someting. Don't be delusional, this is just bad writing. Reminds me very much of 20 year old battle shounens. And it's pretty generalising to say that all people that "hate" on this are either slaine lovers or incompetent critics. What are you then that you can decide it's good writing? Lets face it. Only because there is bad writing in some shows and people criticise it doesn't mean they are hating. There can't be only good shows, otherwise they couldn't be called good when there is nothing that is bad in comparison. The outrage about this is only this big because it was so badly done. Leaving a huge cliff hanger with the huge headline "Hey, we have the balls to kill two main characters before season 2, be hyped!" at the end of season one to then revert it without any real explanation (like some aldnoah powers that kept them alive just long enough to be saved by explained life-saving technology). That's like in invation for people to call you out. |
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| Well I considered killing three major characters a bold move. The ending to S1 shocked me, and made me feel a bit sad, even though I kinda hated Inaho But looking back now, I feel like I've been fooled. "Nyaha, fooled you into watching more" Not a single character really died, even though their injuries were really serious. The reason I dislike Inaho is because this guy was defeating these martian generals with so much ease, without a shred of actual battle experience, and with a pokerface to boot. Every single thing seemed to be going his way, so his "swift death" at the end of S1 was kind of a big deal to me. But now it seems he even cheated death, I mean how much plot armor can you get? The princess is alive after being "killed" TWICE! And I was sure Saazbaum was finished. Episode 12, in retrospect, was just....a waste of my time, my emotions, it feels cheap. It all feels so meaningless now, there's no actual consequenses, NOTHING changed, nothing progressed. And yes, I've liked Slaine since the beginning. I just hate what the writers did to him in episode 12 (helping Saazbaum is something I still don't understand) |
LauraBirdieJan 11, 2015 6:28 AM
| It's just uneventful really. Out of the three characters who got shot the only one who got a big blow was the princess who's being cared for and protected ((by Slaine--best guardian ever amirite?)). Inaho came out of it with even more power ((waiting for that eye to start controlling people...)) and Saazy got a crutch ((wasn't exactly the most mobile character to begin with)). I don't mind that they all lived even though it was highly unlikely ((don't start bringing up the whole "it's happened irl" argument, heard it, understand, still unlikely that all three lived)) but the lack of repercussion from the whole thing makes it feel like they were going to do something big after the end of season one and instead they took the easy way out after seeing the public backlash. The first episode of season two just makes the end of season one feel cheap and meaningless for me. |
| I take back what I said about the count I rewatched episode 12 he was only hit in the arms and the other bullets hit the wall. The thing is Inaho if he can survive something like that I wouldn't be surprise even if they drop a nuclear bomb at him and he gets out of it unschated. No matter what happens to him or whoever he is up against you won't even worry about him losing. The next time they make it look that he is dying or when he is in trouble theres no feels anymore it would just look like a joke. |
KamiAlice said: Other than shitty shooting skills of everyone, everything makes sensegoodbyedays said: Everyone being alive after that is bad. Even the count survived after being shot multiple times. He is not even a main character. This is like dragonball I won't even care if someone dies because they will be resurrected after a few episodes. I rarely watch mecha so I'm not used to characters surviving like that. The princess being alive is fine but as for Inaho and the count its really lame. How exactly is it lame? I mean besides personal opinion, everything that happened makes sense. It's all explained. |
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Miragee said: They explained nothing. Yes, the bullet for Inaho went through a regoin of his brain that wouldn't leave him dead immediately. They would still need a Tenma-level doctor to miraculously save him. But they didn't mention that at all. All that happened was that he was carried from the underground to the ship and then use him to power the ship and fly away. I'm sorry what? They explained they had the staff and personnel in an underground facility that they were going to take him to. Are you telling me they have to explain the entire medical procedure to you for it to make sense? No they don't, this isn't neurosurgery medical school, it's a story that's as far as it needs to go. For the princess they didn't even go that far to explain how a head shot and a shot through the lung didn't kill her immediately. She just survived what I guess were like 10-15 minutes before she was put into that life-saving someting. Don't be delusional, this is just bad writing. Reminds me very much of 20 year old battle shounens. Implying you ever saw where she was shot at, rewatch the episode, we can't even tell if she was hit in the head. We could only tell she was hit in the back and we're not even sure where exactly the bullet went through. Plus you do realize in most cases it takes an ambulance around 30 minutes to arrive in an emergency right? How do you explain people who survive there? Don't be delusional, that's bad criticism. And it's pretty generalising to say that all people that "hate" on this are either slaine lovers or incompetent critics. What are you then that you can decide it's good writing? Lets face it. Only because there is bad writing in some shows and people criticise it doesn't mean they are hating. There can't be only good shows, otherwise they couldn't be called good when there is nothing that is bad in comparison. There is no such thing as good or bad writing, writing is an art form and all writing is subjective. You don't decide what bad writing is, you only decide what you like or dislike. Plus you just generalized anyway, way to contradict yourself. The outrage about this is only this big because it was so badly done. Leaving a huge cliff hanger with the huge headline "Hey, we have the balls to kill two main characters before season 2, be hyped!" at the end of season one to then revert it without any real explanation (like some aldnoah powers that kept them alive just long enough to be saved by explained life-saving technology). That's like in invation for people to call you out. You realize vocal minority is still the vocal minority right? There are just as many or more people defending the show in the sub forums as there people trying to bash it. It was explained, ignoring it because you don't like the explanation doesn't really mean much. Aldnoah was foreshadowed from the very beginning, the "kiss" were emphasized many times throughout the first half. It was pretty much a given that both Slaine and Inaho would have the rights to activate it. Just because things didn't go the way you wanted them to doesn't mean anything. It's faulty criticism based on personal bias and personal preference. The show has many flaws, but they are mainly in character development. LonelyWizard said: KamiAlice said: Other than shitty shooting skills of everyone, everything makes senseHow exactly is it lame? I mean besides personal opinion, everything that happened makes sense. It's all explained. Thank You |
KamiCityJan 11, 2015 9:51 AM
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| I think it's mostly because it seems like the writers wanted to do something controversial in the last episode of S1 to make people wait for S2, but they didn't want to deal with the consequences of losing three main characters. It cheapens both the impact of the scene and the weight of viewers' emotions, as well as the dramatic factor of all future death (and near-death) scenes. No wonder people feel cheated. I'd been genuinely curious how the series would resolve the aftermath of such risky decision, but now I think everything was just for pure shock value. |
ReiteJan 11, 2015 11:03 AM
Reite said: I think it's mostly because it seems like the writers wanted to do something controversial in the last episode of S1 to make people wait for S2, but they didn't want to deal with the consequences of losing three main characters. It cheapens both the impact of the scene and the weight of viewers' emotions, as well as the dramatic factor of all future death (and near-death) scenes. No wonder people feel cheated. I'd been genuinely curious how the series would resolve the aftermath of such risky decision, but now I think everything was just for pure shock value. This, this is how I feel. I feel like I've been tricked into watching more. The ending of S1 doesn't seem to have any effect on the rest of the show now. |
KamiAlice said: There is no such thing as good or bad writing, writing is an art form and all writing is subjective. You don't decide what bad writing is, you only decide what you like or dislike. Oh, you are one of those people that refuse to acknowledge that professional (aka objective) critics exist. Lets quit this discussion then, we won't get on the same wave-length. |
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| its called being a survivor lol people can survive bullets to the head and still live u know |
Kaneki22 said: its called being a survivor lol people can survive bullets to the head and still live u know Thats not the problem viewers have. Its that it ends on a cliffhanger that makes it really seem as if they died. This happened to the princess how many times? Many feel its a cheap way to make viewers want to continue the show. azurestratos said: That's pretty common in mecha anime. ex. Kira after fighting Athrun, and after fighting Shinn Setsuna after the S1 final battle Just because it happens in a few recent mecha shows doesn't mean its common in the genre. Its not. |
Miragee said: KamiAlice said: There is no such thing as good or bad writing, writing is an art form and all writing is subjective. You don't decide what bad writing is, you only decide what you like or dislike. Oh, you are one of those people that refuse to acknowledge that professional (aka objective) critics exist. Lets quit this discussion then, we won't get on the same wave-length. Objective criticism exists, except no professional would make a subjective statement like "this is bad writing" and try to pass it off as objective criticism. This is Objective criticism: 1. Objective criticism is not intended to be malicious and is instead motivated by the desire to encourage improvement. 2. Objective criticism should not include personal attacks or overly negative language. 3. Objective criticism seeks to include facts that are impossible to dispute. 4.Objective criticism seeks to use the expression of unbiased thoughts and reason rather than the expression of emotions and personal preference. Your criticism is biased, it is full of personal preference, it was easily disputed, it was full of negative language, it didn't seek to improve anything, it was more of a rant of things you dislike than anything else. How exactly are you going to argue that it was objective criticism? Calling something "bad writing" is NOT objective criticism. |
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KamiAlice said: Miragee said: its not bad writing,there is no such thing as objectively bad writing in the first place...But they did a "everyone is dead" kinda misleading finale to increase popularity which was lame...Some people may like it some may not but its a fact that they didnt do it for the story's sake,they did it for popularity... |
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LonelyWizard said: KamiAlice said: its not bad writing,there is no such thing as objectively bad writing in the first place...But they did a "everyone is dead" kinda misleading finale to increase popularity which was lame...Some people may like it some may not but its a fact that they didnt do it for the story's sake,they did it for popularity... I have no problem with people disliking what they did, I have a problem with people saying something is bad writing just because things didn't go their way though. I have a problem with people saying "someone should have died, this show sucks because they didn't" I have a problem with people getting angry at something that never happened, the characters were never dead to begin with, people just jumped to conclusions. Princess was obviously still alive, sausbam was obviously still alive, the only one that most were unsure of was Inaho. I did say back when I watched episode 12 that inaho pulling out the gun against Slaine probably saved his life. His movement would make the bullet go through his eye instead of being a clear shot through the skull. People just can't seem to accept that fact. |
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KamiAlice said: Yes but thats also a fact that writers wanted people to think they died there...People mostly angry because they feel cheated,they are not angry because some characters survived...LonelyWizard said: its not bad writing,there is no such thing as objectively bad writing in the first place...But they did a "everyone is dead" kinda misleading finale to increase popularity which was lame...Some people may like it some may not but its a fact that they didnt do it for the story's sake,they did it for popularity... I have no problem with people disliking what they did, I have a problem with people saying something is bad writing just because things didn't go their way though. I have a problem with people saying "someone should have died, this show sucks because they didn't" I have a problem with people getting angry at something that never happened, the characters were never dead to begin with, people just jumped to conclusions. Princess was obviously still alive, sausbam was obviously still alive, the only one that most were unsure of was Inaho. I did say back when I watched episode 12 that inaho pulling out the gun against Slaine probably saved his life. His movement would make the bullet go through his eye instead of being a clear shot through the skull. People just can't seem to accept that fact. For me,im angry because Slaine is still acting sick...But i never had any hopes to begin with so i can calmly watch this(with the help of wonderfull OSTs) |
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LonelyWizard said: Yes but thats also a fact that writers wanted people to think they died there...People mostly angry because they feel cheated,they are not angry because some characters survived... For me,im angry because Slaine is still acting sick...But i never had any hopes to begin with so i can calmly watch this(with the help of wonderfull OSTs) Thats the issue those people are saying nothing happened, and that it was all pointless ect. Slaine now has the princess and has gone full yandere. Sausbam and Slaine are now teaming up with a new princess (that could just as well be a brainwashed girl) and are running a campaign to rile up the martians against the earth. Inaho has received 2 upgrades. The cyborg eye and the Aldnoah Drive so they can use the deucalion. Without the events of episode 12 none of this would have happened. Princess would not be able to be captured if she wasn't knocked unconscious by whatever did it. Slaine would never be able to blackmail sausbam into letting the princess live without sausbam being near death. Inaho would have never activated aldnoah, or at least he never would know he could do it, if he had never been shot. The events are far from pointless. It's an enjoyable series with an amazing OST, I don't see why people like to complain so much... but oh well whatever. |
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mbdsquad said: To summarize everything, death is cheap in this anime. Cheap death, and Killing off characters who you don't remember the names of or you don't care about seems to be the in thing these days (see: Attack on Titan) Urobuchi had much more pressing things to work on (Kamen Rider Gaim) by leaving Aldnoah to rot and quite honestly that was a lot better in every aspect. Let the Deucalion sink for good...Dropped. |
leelee619 said: KamiAlice said: Thats the issue those people are saying nothing happened, and that it was all pointless ect. Slaine now has the princess and has gone full yandere. Sausbam and Slaine are now teaming up with a new princess (that could just as well be a brainwashed girl) and are running a campaign to rile up the martians against the earth. Inaho has received 2 upgrades. The cyborg eye and the Aldnoah Drive so they can use the deucalion. Without the events of episode 12 none of this would have happened. Princess would not be able to be captured if she wasn't knocked unconscious by whatever did it. Slaine would never be able to blackmail sausbam into letting the princess live without sausbam being near death. Inaho would have never activated aldnoah, or at least he never would know he could do it, if he had never been shot. The events are far from pointless. It's an enjoyable series with an amazing OST, I don't see why people like to complain so much... but oh well whatever. So what your saying is that If Saazbuam Ignores Slaines Demands And Attempts to kill Asseylum again His Ass is Grass Don't worry. THe princess will kill Slaine anyway |
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mbdsquad said: Dragon_Slayer_X said: Sure man we care a GREAT DEAL about your ratings........ Do you think I care if you care a great deal about what I just said...........? And it's not "swn32 said", it's "mbdsquad said". It's funny how you tried to make yourself look cool but failed epic-ly. *Facepalm* That was most likely MALs fault |
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