Sub vs. Dub

I'll agree you can fault him for not providing both, but at worst that's only assuming everyone has seen the trailer, not played the franchise.

My point is that you said SquareEnix promised an all-star cast as if that promise is all that's needed. If they delivered, great. They held to their promise. I just want to make sure you don't think a promise is all it takes.

Right, and it's OK for people to bash English dub but never bash on Japanese dub.

It does because dub haters think they can get away with hating dub and not attacking Japanese dub on American stuff.

I'm a dumbass, let me ask you this. How should anime like Halo Legends. Batman: Gotham Knight, Wolverine anime, Iron Man anime, and Supernatural anime be watch English or Japanese? See the problem?

Anime_Name said:
those and every other form of entertainment have no way they should be watched.

Subtitles are superior because you get to hear the original voices.

I love this argument, because then I can ask the fan if he prefers to watch Tenchi Muyo! In Love in English. After all, the English voices were recorded first. Then I get to watch the fun as he backtracks, usually by redefining "original". But whatever. I could care less about "original" voices. I'd rather hear the "best" voices, or rather, the voices that give me the most enjoyable overall experience.

I think the problem here is that some people equate animation dubs with live-action dubs. In the latter, hearing the original voices is very important, since those voices belong to the human actors you see on the screen. In contrast, animation cels have no voice of their own. (As has been said, "All animation is dubbed.") So saying one vocal track is superior to another simply because it was recorded first is a spurious argument.

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The Japanese voice acting is always better than the English voice acting.

Ha. No, seriously. Ha.

Once upon a time, you could say this and know it to be true, not because you knew anything about the Japanese acting, but because the English dub acting was so absolutely amateurishly awful. These days, it's rare for a dub to not be at least passable, and several studios consistently produce very good dubs. So to continue to make this argument, you have to be able to describe just how good the Japanese acting is.

That's where the argument breaks down. If you don't speak Japanese, you cannot determine with any degree of accuracy whether the acting is any good. And please, spare me the hooie about how you can just tell by how well the actors emote. Any actor can emote. Emoting is one part of acting. There's timing, enunciation, and all kinds of nuances that go into delivering a good line, all of which is lost on you if you don't speak the language. Scott Frazier tells a funny story about how he learned one of his favorite anime (Dirty Pair) was horribly acted, once he became fluent in Japanese.

The sad truth of the matter is that most Japanese anime voice acting is of average quality. This is not to impugn the Japanese; it's merely Sturgeon's Law at work. For every Akira Kamiya and Megumi Hayashibara, there are scores of actors giving uninspired, cookie-cutter performances.

Also I like to add the Japanese do like our English dub in anime. I made a topic about it

Anime_Name said:
just another dumbass dubfag.

Kuyukly said:


I take back what I said about loving you :(

Anime_Name said:
It seems all you want is someone to praise the English and criticize the Japanese, no matter what was first or who does it.

Anime_Name said:


This makes all of your posts null and void. The reason you don't understand what a double standard in this situation is because you are the one using double standard think.
It seems all you want is someone to praise the English and criticize the Japanese, no matter what was first or who does it.

Nothing new to see here folks. You are just another dumbass dubfag.

Surprisingly, I've never heard the "they don't know our language so they don't know how bad it is" argument. Probably because only a functional retard would actually use it.[/quote[

Redfoxoffire said:

I don't think you understand what us dub-defenders have to go through in topics like these if this is the conclusion you reached.

As I said: There's no such thing as the superior language

So it's hard to tell what's good or bad?

Anime_Name said:


Sorry, I do believe my comment was direct towards one person and that persons' shit logic.
When I start addressing "dub-defenders" as a group you will be first to know.

I agree, if people stop insulting dub, I'll not criticize subs

A lot of ignorant people who hate dub are not aware of this.

Anime_Name said:


That's right you are the one saying it and you are the one trying to counter imaginary points.

If more anime decided to use English voice, not Japanese like Afro Samurai. What would be the point of "anime should be watch in subtitles" logic?

But I don't want people to openly attack English voice. How do you know the Japanese voice is good also. This is why I not only listen to anime in English, but I've watch Japanese dub on American stuff like Video game and American animation. They both have good and bad voices. But please do not attack the English dub without a good reason, and please do not attack the English VAs.

Anime_Name said:


I don't know what the point of it would be since it is your imaginary logic and nobody has said it to mean what you are trying to assert.

If you didn't watch Afro Samurai then you have no idea what i'm trying to point out.

Try watching those in Japanese and see if these anime can be watch in Japanese.

What would happen if we had anime that have English audio recorded first then Japanese next.

Tokemasta said:
to each his own. but i def prefer dubs. it drives me crazy to have to read something while watching and hearing language you cant understand while your trying to read it. idk how people enjoy it so much. but like i said, we each have our own opinions.

Anime_Name said:


The ability to multitask is a factor. Another factor is not thinking that reading, listening, watching at the same time is an ordeal.

Well since this is an anime topic about subs or dubs; Afro Samurai has no subtitles your point makes no sense.

You can believe the audio for Bloodlust was recorded first but if your eyes work you will see that the animation was drawn for the Japanese audio.

If those anime have Japanese and English audio tracks then yes they can be watched either way. I have a bunch of DVDs that have multiple languages like English, French, and Spanish. I can watch them however I want. After watching them I can then criticize or praise any performance.

Remember a lot of people say "anime should be watch anime in Japanese because it's the original audio and the Japanese audio was recorded first" logic. Afro Samurai does make a point, because it's an anime, aren't anime supposed to be watch in Japanese because it's the "original audio".

I don't even understand why people are bashing the English dub whern there are anime that has English voice recorded first and also there are bad Japanese voices.

Also, good luck to you trying to watch movie in spanish or french dub and praise/criticize them.

Hypeathon said:
I really wanna know if anyone who reads this has actually taken any lessons in acting in general? And if so, what kinds of lessons were they and for how long?

Kipcha said:
I've taken some acting lessons, lasting for 2 and a half years. However, I don't think taking these lessons helps me judge Japanese acting anymore because it is in an entirely seperate language. Unless you are a speaker, I don't think that you can tell someone acts.

Hypeathon said:

Right, right. I've only taken a couple of semesters of acting classes. One acting class in my junior year in high school and another in my freshman year in college called "acting for animators." From my understanding (though I might be wrong), the gist of acting is to be really into the thought of expressing yourself as different personalities and characters and the way that personality/character would behave. It's not easy for me either because it requires firmly ignoring any fears that come with acting.

But the reason I asked is because I commonly see dubs suffer a stigma as to how exactly they're inferior to dubs and I would see the same 5-6 arguments recycled time after time. And I was wondering if gut reaction aside, how many anime fans make the criticisms at dubs from the perspective of someone who has actually understood or have even attempted any level of skill in acting. And I don't see much of that kind of argument tossed around in any sub/dub debate. I've also wondered if say after learning and practiciting a creavtive skill, you acquire a higher tolerance and appreciation for whatever profession you would've harshly criticized before.

I prefer dub because I am usually multi tasking while watching them

Baby_Naruto said:
I prefer english dubs, but I will watch an anime english subbed if an english dub does not exist.

By the way, I pretend that all Animax-Asia dubs don't exist, since they are very terrible dubs.

Anime_Name said:


So you must go around just copy & paste some daily opinion on every forum you have membership on? I swear this is my 4th time reading these exact lines today.

Anime_Name said:


So you must go around just copy & paste some daily opinion on every forum you have membership on? I swear this is my 4th time reading these exact lines today.

Fuzzhx said:
what i dont get is the argument "i like to watch it in its original dialog " which doesnt make any sense cuz depending on who subs it its all different.