Aoi Hana Episode 7 Discussion

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Aug 12, 2009 12:27 PM

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I love this series. But I couldn't believe how they ended this episode. I was like, what it's over already? And now we have to wait another week.

Aug 12, 2009 1:36 PM

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My thoughts exactly. I kind of wish i was watching this after all the episodes were out so i wouldn't get stuck on cliffhangers like this :(

Aug 12, 2009 5:22 PM

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Whaaaaaat?! Dx
Damn... I can't wait for the next episode.... T-T

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Aug 12, 2009 5:54 PM

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My favorite sister is Kuri, her eyes are... alluring; she just needs to quit smoking.
Lovely episode though, I still can't get enough of the artwork.

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Aug 12, 2009 5:56 PM

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Aug 12, 2009 6:17 PM

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I think Sempi is just feeling sorry for her self. :( I really liked this episode though, nice to meet her Family.

Aug 13, 2009 4:34 AM

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Finally! Aoi Hana did what no yuri anime has ever done before!

They actually identified the characters as being bisexual or lesbian and simply not "that way". Which is a big step forward for how people will start perceiving yuri in anime now. I know there's this big issue of not acknowledging sexuality in anime or manga. I mean, take Strawberry Panic for example. Everyone was practically a raging lesbian, but did anyone identify as such? Not at all.

Well, neither Yasuko or Fumi have said that they are, but the fact that third sister Kuri did (and bless, her, seriously, she's awesome) just made this series a little more grounded there and real.

I was especially looking forward to this episode since it had the Sugimoto family in it; honestly, one of the best, most bitter, and funny chapters of the entire series.

The anime changed a couple of things from the manga, but it makes me wonder if it's all part of some grand scheme there.

For example, I wasn't listening too clearly to the Japanese audio, so I don't know if this really was said or if this is another prime example of CrunchyMucksitup, but Akira saying that she doesn't like girls who cry... I don't recall reading that in the manga, so I was a little taken aback. Although, when Fumi's in Yasuko's room after getting the emotional beatdown and eye-opener, you can see that she wants to cry, but surprise, surprise--she doesn't. Character development!? Indeed! It's nice to know that characters can subconsciously affect one another, which is something that is lacking in most anime, as if one character wants another to grow up or mature, they usually have to force it down their throats.

Nice touch seeing Fumi interacting with the Okudaira family. We don't really get that in the manga, but even for the few seconds it was in the anime, it shows you that Fumi and Akira's friendship extends beyond just school girl activities and whatnot. They are part of one another's lives. Having fun during dinner at your best friend's house? Seems so normal and yet it says so much about their relationship.

But anyhow, that meeting with the family was spectacular and embarrassing for Fumi and hilarious for us. I love how open and blunt the Sugimoto women are, much to Yasuko's frustration.

It's funny how they took her "coming out". They all seemed shocked, to varying degrees. Well, Sugimoto mama seemed pretty surprised and then was like, "Hmmm, well okay." Kuri was piercing and sceptical. Kazusa seemed a bit uncomfortable, though mostly because Kuri's behaviour. Doesn't seem like she cared that her sister was dating a girl, but the fact that said sister was now getting picked on by Kuri. And Shinako was Shinako. What an interesting family.

And aw, we didn't get to see Shinako lulzing over the fact that the old maid is named Fumi too. Speaking of Shinako, omg, she's voiced by Mamio!? The teasing, hedonistic, most sly of the Sugimoto sisters is voiced by sweet little Noto Mamiko!? It surprisingly worked... though it wasn't the voice I expected initially. I always thought Mamio would voice the second sister, the quiet and gentle Kazusa. Although if we consider later developments,

(Not real spoilers, but I discuss the characters' personalities beyond this episode.)

This episode's crowning moment of win: when Yasuko's mom says that Yasuko and Fumi might have already did it and she grosses out her older daughters. I nearly fell off my chair laughing :D

Aug 13, 2009 5:50 AM

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Slight correction, seems like Ah-chan did say she didn't like crybabies, but I remember the scene not being so pivotal as in the manga, she accosted Fumi with an ice cream cone while saying it :P

And cons of this episode:

- No Kou and Kyouko meeting Okudaira family while Akira had to run off to use the toilet.
- They left out the visit to Akira's crazy scary aunt Keiko :( and that was a pretty funny scene too.

As I side note, I noticed something during the episode. When Shinako asks Yasuko if she's a lesbian, the camera cuts to Fumi and she twitches just slightly. Oh my. It seems that she's not quite ready to label herself as such, it seems. She's probably still scared about it. I just thought it was a nice touch, since the story deals on certain levels with the way Fumi has to accept her sexuality.

Aug 13, 2009 8:46 AM

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Aww man D: I figured this episode would end the way it did. How sad. Can't wait for next weeks.

Aug 13, 2009 10:17 AM

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Is that lesbian mahjong spreading out to other anime now?

(Answer to silly rhetorical question: No, since Fumi didn't end up playing with them, and Yasuko was up in her room, there were no lesbians playing mahjong. However, it's mahjong in a shoujo-ai story nonetheless.)

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Aug 13, 2009 1:29 PM

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I really like the relationship between Akira and Fumi and specially how Fumi is so honest and open her heart more when she is around Akira alone together.

And as tehnominator has said with her long comments above, I really like the direction of this episode and the introduction of Sugimoto family is really well handled. I was a little surprised to see how thing turned out rather interesting than what I would have expected from this kind of anime. The pace in this episode is really moving at a great speed too so I don't have to wait for another episode to see Yasuko finally say "I'm sorry." to Fumi.

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Aug 13, 2009 1:32 PM

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...And here I was having a good humor after watching S&W... D:

Aug 13, 2009 2:45 PM

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tehnominator said:

Well, neither Yasuko or Fumi have said that they are, but the fact that third sister Kuri did (and bless, her, seriously, she's awesome) just made this series a little more grounded there and real.

Do you mean that Kuri herself is a lesbian or the fact that Kuri and Shinako used the word "bisexual" and "lesbian"?

Aug 13, 2009 3:35 PM

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tokki said:
Do you mean that Kuri herself is a lesbian or the fact that Kuri and Shinako used the word "bisexual" and "lesbian"?

tehnominator means the fact that they used those words. Even in yuri titles those words are usually nowhere to be found, and if they are, they're used with a negative connotation. But this is not the case here, and that's one of the may reasons this series is so good.

Aug 13, 2009 4:32 PM

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1idd0kun said:

tehnominator means the fact that they used those words. Even in yuri titles those words are usually nowhere to be found, and if they are, they're used with a negative connotation. But this is not the case here, and that's one of the may reasons this series is so good.

Thanks for the clarification.

Aug 13, 2009 7:23 PM

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Yasuko got balls, I still think its a bit too rushed; I mean, comming out from the closet in front of her four sisters and mother, maybe its just me, but really, what kind of mother would react that way? No astonishment or something along those lines, and I knew this was about to happen, their relationship was very shallow, what kind of bond was that?

Good episode anyway.

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Aug 13, 2009 7:28 PM

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Woooooah @ the ending there.

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Aug 13, 2009 7:40 PM

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Mikiyo said:
Yasuko got balls, I still think its a bit too rushed; I mean, comming out from the closed in front of her three sisters and mother, maybe its just me, but really, what kind of mother would react that way? No astonishment or something along those lines, and I knew this was about to happen, their relationship was very shallow, what kind of bond was that?

Good episode anyway.

Went back to rewatch the episode because Shinako's voice was odd to me. When I looked, yeah, she was voiced by Mamiko Noto, making her my new favorite sister. I'm such a fanboy. :P

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Aug 13, 2009 7:53 PM

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She looks quite bitchy and blunt, I totally like Shinako's character. Although she may be a bit cruel and direct; shes probably more kind that it seems, or so I think so.

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Aug 14, 2009 3:23 AM

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I loved this episode. I have never seen an official coming out in anime before. This was beyond interesting.
There was a lot going on and Sugimoto seems even more human now. I really like the direction this is going.
I really like A-chan's character at this point. Screw you, Sugimoto-senpai. :P

The 4 sisters and the mom were also very enjoyable characters. They felt very real to me.

But that's pretty much the most bitter line you can hear: "I am not good enough for you so let's break up." Heard it once myself, too. Even when it's true it's just such a convenient and lame line. Women are scary. ^^

Aug 14, 2009 4:03 AM

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tehnominator said:
As I side note, I noticed something during the episode. When Shinako asks Yasuko if she's a lesbian, the camera cuts to Fumi and she twitches just slightly. Oh my. It seems that she's not quite ready to label herself as such, it seems. She's probably still scared about it. I just thought it was a nice touch, since the story deals on certain levels with the way Fumi has to accept her sexuality.

Oh your right she does twitch, I completely missed that detail. Hmm rereading the manga it turns out it happens in the manga too, Fumi's pig tails stand up in the panel.

In the manga it seems more like she was just shocked by the use of the word but the anime gave the feel of her not being comfortable being labeled as a lesbian.
To me it just makes her seem more realistic and relatable as a person. I myself having come out of the closet only a few years ago, I still get a nervous twitch whenever someone in my family mentions it.

Aug 14, 2009 4:10 AM

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tokki said:

Do you mean that Kuri herself is a lesbian or the fact that Kuri and Shinako used the word "bisexual" and "lesbian"?

Thanks, 1idd0kun! Your explanation was perfect. But yes, I didn't mean that Kuri was a lesbian.

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Mikiyo said:
Yasuko got balls, I still think its a bit too rushed; I mean, comming out from the closet in front of her four sisters and mother, maybe its just me, but really, what kind of mother would react that way? No astonishment or something along those lines, and I knew this was about to happen, their relationship was very shallow, what kind of bond was that?

Good episode anyway.

Because take a look at Yasuko's sisters and her mother's age. She looks young-ish, but the fact that she has three grown daughters and her youngest is 17 - 18 years old, the woman probably has seen a lot.

And it's directly supposed to show you:

1. What kind of person is Yasuko.
2. The type of family she has.
3. Things that Fumi cannot do.

Explanations:

1. The fact that Yasuko acknowledged rather bluntly to the family that she's dating a girl illustrates something Fumi cannot do. Yasuko is a forthright person. Sure, she flirts and skirts around things playfully, but if you ever observe any conversation she has with Kyouko for example, she always cuts straight from the throat. The one time she kept something from somebody was her love for Kagami.

And if you listen to what the Sugimoto sisters were saying, Yasuko is a spoiled brat. She does whatever she wants without paying anybody else any mind. So coming out would be another one of those, "I don't care what you think" actions to show her family that she's not just some little princess that they can manipulate and that she has a life and mind of her own.

2. Back to the family, like I said, Yasuko's mother is very mature and more importantly, you can see how she's close to her daughters and loves them. If you picked up on the nuances of the conversations, you'd notice that she's very involved in their lives, such as them chiding her for meeting all their friends and regaling them with stories of her youth. And that convo they had over mahjong pretty much sealed the deal on how open they are with one another. I mean for goodness' sake, Kuri was making bets on whether her youngest sister was going to have sex with her girlfriend that night and the mother quips with, "They might have already done it!"

The woman has grown daughters and seen the world, evidently. Something like her daughter's sexuality will surprise her but not bother her. She lets Yasuko do whatever she wants too. When Yasuko throws her silent tantrum and shuts herself up in her room, her mother kept making sure she got tea and food and was comfortable. See, she cares about Yasuko.

And not all parents or adults would throw a hissy fit about their kids or their kids' friends being gay or bisexual. I know a parent who lets her daughter's lesbian best friend be an integral part of their life. Because it's her daughter, and that's her best friend, and as a parent, she's cool with it.

Plus, take a look at the Sugimoto sisters. Do any of them seem uptight and backwards enough to be homophobes? They're modern women. They know the world as well. And as far as Kuri sees it, this is just another one of Yasuko's attention-grabbing stunts, which is why she drilled her so hard about her relationship with Fumi. Shinako has her reasons for not caring, but she's so flaky in the first place, I don't think Fumi being a one-legged alien pirate would have made her bat an eyelid either. Kazusa is... well, who knows. She doesn't say much.

3. Showing us Yasuko's coming out to her family plays in direct contrast with what Fumi cannot do. She has a hard time even acknowledging that she's a lesbian, what with her reaction to hearing the word out loud. So coming out to her parents is a no-no. She has no siblings so she can't tell them. If you look at her relationship with her family, Chizu was more of a daughter to her parents than she is. She's not close with her parents at all, and they have no clue what's going on in their daughter's life and Fumi herself is so guarded and reserved that she can't even begin to want to tell them. Which is why her dependence on Chizu was so strong in the first place. It was a family member, someone she loved and trusted, who she could show that side of her to (and er, in more ways than one).

So Yasuko, to her chagrin, actually has a warm, open, loving family environment, which is why they don't along so smoothly--when you're that close with someone, you tend to rub them the wrong way a lot. Fumi's only able to connect that closely with Ah-chan and her lovers. I mean, she sees Pon-chan, Yassan and Mogi more often since they go to the same school, but the trio has no idea Fumi's a lesbian. Kyouko only knows because she figured it out, after seeing Yasuko's interaction with her.

Aug 14, 2009 8:44 AM

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But that's pretty much the most bitter line you can hear: "I am not good enough for you so let's break up." Heard it once myself, too. Even when it's true it's just such a convenient and lame line.

Also, at least in anime, it tends to drop everyone involved into an emofest. Seriously, isn't the best answer just to say something like 'I don't care, I'm selfish, and want you anyways' or in this case, more like 'I'll stick with you until you're better?'

Show me a character that doesn't need some kind of counseling.

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Aug 14, 2009 10:56 AM

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devilsskylark said:

Oh your right she does twitch, I completely missed that detail. Hmm rereading the manga it turns out it happens in the manga too, Fumi's pig tails stand up in the panel.

The manga plays it more up for amusement; the anime does not do any of the funny faces Fumi makes or utilises and of the super-deformed moments. It makes it more dramatic in the anime to see that Fumi's reaction to the word was more core-shattering rather than hair-raising, so to speak.

JadeMatrix said:
Also, at least in anime, it tends to drop everyone involved into an emofest. Seriously, isn't the best answer just to say something like 'I don't care, I'm selfish, and want you anyways' or in this case, more like 'I'll stick with you until you're better?'

Yasuko doesn't want to be with Fumi anymore though, there's the main problem with your argument.

She's coming up with an excuse, but she said it herself, that their relationship was a matter of comfort and convenience, and now that it's shown its true nature and now that Yasuko is forced to acknowledge it (her own doing, what with coming out), she does not want to do it anymore. It's why she said to Kyouko before, "Everyone is selfish." She probably wasn't referring to her relationship with Fumi, but you can interpret it that way or see it as irony.

Aug 14, 2009 4:26 PM

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Things are starting to get emotionally intense. I just can't get over how cute Fumi and Akira are.

Aug 15, 2009 12:20 AM

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SUDDENLY, mamiko noto

Aug 15, 2009 12:09 PM

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windy said:
SUDDENLY, mamiko noto

The fact that it's Noto Mamiko shouldn't be surprising though :P

It'd be easier to list the anime she's NOT in.

Aug 16, 2009 11:47 AM

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The different pacing was a nice change from the usual style and I'm quite surprised that people were shocked by the ending. The foreshadowing from the past few episodes was so obvious that it completely took away from the "breakup" scene imo.

Also, like others have said I thought it was nice to come right out and say lesbian/bisexual instead of avoiding it like most series.

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windy said:
SUDDENLY, mamiko noto

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Aug 16, 2009 10:22 PM

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I liked how Fumi have to be honest even though, I didn’t expect that she wants to open her heart to Ai-chan. I can't wait to watch the next episode due to cliffhanger for ending of this episode.

Aug 19, 2009 10:56 AM

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tehnominator said:
Finally! Aoi Hana did what no yuri anime has ever done before!

They actually identified the characters as being bisexual or lesbian and simply not "that way". Which is a big step forward for how people will start perceiving yuri in anime now. I know there's this big issue of not acknowledging sexuality in anime or manga. I mean, take Strawberry Panic for example. Everyone was practically a raging lesbian, but did anyone identify as such? Not at all.

I thought this made the series VERY interesting. I totally agree with you. :)

I wasn't happy with the "I love her" stuff but I guess it makes sense that what happened happened at the end. Still, I didn't see it coming. I am not loving my favorite character anymore and that makes me kind of sad. :\ I like getting attached to a character.

I like the older sister coming to the rescue.

Aug 19, 2009 1:49 PM

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Wow, I've never seen the word lesbian used in anime before. :)

Aug 19, 2009 11:09 PM

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This, in my opinion, was the best episode of Aoi Hana yet. Or maybe because I just love these kind of cliffhangers.

Aug 20, 2009 7:31 PM

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Wooo! Move over sugimoto HELLO A CHAN!

Aug 22, 2009 3:55 PM

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I never really liked Sugimoto, she never really seemed serious about Fumi to me, but I could tolerate her before this episode. Its fine if she wants to come out of the closet, its fine if she wants Fumi to be there for it, but she needs to ask Fumi first, not just ambush her and force her out of the closet too without any notice at all :/

loved the episode overall though. Especially since it killed SugimotoxFumi, I doubt AxFumi will be next, but we're one step closer now.

I liked the sisters, they knew exactly what kind of person she was and weren't willing to let her lie to herself about it or take it out on Fumi.

I wonder if the teacher Sempai wanted was dating her sister, the conversation seemed to hint that she was.

I hope this series wins some kind of award, unless something goes seriously wrong in the second half, it'll definitely deserve it.

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Aug 23, 2009 4:00 PM

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OMG loving it :D

Aug 23, 2009 8:27 PM

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tehnominator said:
Finally! Aoi Hana did what no yuri anime has ever done before!

Amen to that :)

Aug 24, 2009 2:29 AM

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First time I've really felt like commenting on an episode. It seemed to go by so quickly. Meeting Yasuko's family certainly was interesting. I was like, "whoa! Those girls are tall!" Some of them came off a bit tackless, but they might have been just having a little fun at her expense. I can certainly relate to that.

The "coming out" scene felt really forced, tackless and selfish on Yasuko's part. I don't remember her warning Fumi that she was going to do anything like that. It did go better than I was expecting. Glad to see that there was no "I have no daughter!" dialogue. What an awkward way to end the episode though. Cliffhanger anyone?

Aug 24, 2009 4:10 AM

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DonKangolJones said:
First time I've really felt like commenting on an episode. It seemed to go by so quickly. Meeting Yasuko's family certainly was interesting. I was like, "whoa! Those girls are tall!" Some of them came off a bit tackless, but they might have been just having a little fun at her expense. I can certainly relate to that.

The "coming out" scene felt really forced, tackless and selfish on Yasuko's part. I don't remember her warning Fumi that she was going to do anything like that. It did go better than I was expecting. Glad to see that there was no "I have no daughter!" dialogue. What an awkward way to end the episode though. Cliffhanger anyone?

That was the fun of it :D The older sisters' tactlessness with Yasuko just shows what they think of their little sister. She's right when she says she lets them manipulate her. With a few words, they can have her steaming mad and have her pace thrown off entirely.

And I think tactless behaviour comes from honest behaviour. None of them (with the exception of Kuri, the smoker) seemed to want to make Yasuko upset though that's just how she gets in a family who seems brutally honest with one another. Like they say, the closer you are, the more you rub people the wrong way.

That coming out scene was completely forced, and it was done on purpose because Yasuko felt that ship sinking fast. I personally think that she came out for two reasons:

1. To acknowledge to herself that she is in a relationship with Fumi, and should take it seriously.

2. To show her family that she is her own person and not some piece of dough they can mould any which way they like.

It backfired because she underestimated them. And by underestimating them, she is then forced to look at what her confession meant. So she comes to understand that her coming out was just to convince herself that she loved Fumi. Which is why she addresses it in their talk later.

Aug 26, 2009 7:32 AM

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Oh wow, Nakahara Mai playing the bully. <3

Very interesting episode, though I sort of felt that an ending like this would happen.

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I loved the ending.

The coming out scene (forced or not) was probably my favorite scene just because of this reason:

tehnominator said:

As I side note, I noticed something during the episode. When Shinako asks Yasuko if she's a lesbian, the camera cuts to Fumi and she twitches just slightly. Oh my. It seems that she's not quite ready to label herself as such, it seems. She's probably still scared about it. I just thought it was a nice touch, since the story deals on certain levels with the way Fumi has to accept her sexuality.

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Aug 26, 2009 9:50 PM

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Can't get enough of this anime's art style and I really liked this episode. I love the pacing. It's not draggy and not too fast. It just gives the characters enough time to gain depth.

S.N: I liked the whole coming out scene.

Sep 10, 2009 6:03 PM

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Now what is fumi gonna do =P

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Sep 24, 2009 2:34 PM

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Wow, Sugimoto sure is selfish D:

I wonder what will happen now ;^; I want a happy ending.

May 23, 2010 2:13 PM

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i don't think yasuko really loves fumi DD:
the ending... .__.

Dec 26, 2010 9:33 AM

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i don't think yasuko really loves fumi DD:
the ending... .__.

That's exactly what I think, and what I have thought this entire time, for Yasuko, it was nothing more tan physical attraction, and I don't think Fumi LOVES her as much as she loved her cousin either.

Pretty good episode.

Jan 13, 2011 4:33 PM

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I dont think ive every seen an anime where characters come out...its definitely more realistic then the entire universe/school being gay

Mar 27, 2011 10:56 PM

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Looks like they're gonna break up.

May 29, 2011 10:38 AM

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Hate sugimoto why did she have to say that when it's storming outside.. :/

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It was nice for her family not to be homophobic, yet they were all kinda thoughtless about what they said.

And their breakup was evident

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