peab0dy said: Thanks a lot man. Any ideas for my other questions? Sorry I do not have integrated graphic card. My personal opinion is that MadVR is always better than Evr-Custom, except when you're on very slow machine. For example, I prefer Evr-custom on my netbook with Intel Atom. Good luck. |
peab0dy said: 1. When I set my DXVA to intel (integrated gfx 4400) is it using that for decoding instead of madVR? Or both? 2. Would having madVR on minimum (bilinear) still look better than using the custom evr? What are my best options for my specs? (i7 U4500, 4gb ram, integrated intel 4400) 3. Finally, my screen resolution is 3200x1800 (weird I know), this makes the controls on MPC realllly small, any fix for this? Picture: http://i.imgur.com/4EiGk5W.jpg 1. Both. 2. madVR existence itself is better than anything else I'm aware about. Of course, that includes EVR-CP. For your specs, Mid should do. 3. Nope, not that I know of. Windows has always been a pain in the ass when we're talking about high DPI settings. AFAIK MPC-BE will give better results. katkitrso said: 1. How do I use the xy-vsfilter? You have me uncheck the subtitle box, but then don't tell me to enable it anywhere in the guide? 2. Can you add to the reclock section that to open up the settings panel section that to open up the multiple tab settings window you have to go to windows start and search reclock and open the configuration option there. 1. Because you don't have to. It loads automatically as long as the built-in MPC-HC subtitle render is disabled. Looking at your filter list, you either fucked up somewhere or you're using an old version of xy-VSFilter which displays "DirectVobSub (auto-loading version)", while my screenshot displays the XySubFilter instead. 2. Hm, most people that mess with ReClock know what they're dealing with so I didn't bother putting instructions... oh well. When MAL fixes their forums I'll update the guide and input some extra steps so people don't get stuck later. |
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| Yeah it is, but I'd recommend for you to update it using the installer of XySubFilter in the guide's page. It's a newer and faster version so there's little reason to keep using the old stable for now. As for the frame drops, as long as they're only there from the beginning and not in constant playback then it's okay. I dunno your specs so I can't give you a more accurate reason for why it would drop but I can guarantee smooth motion should only be used if you have a powerful hardware or are able to trade-off algorithm quality for performance. The only way to know the better combination for you is to use the lowest preset until the one that starts giving you drops. |
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| Well, my link goes straight to the download page with both stable and preview releases. XySubFilter is still in preview so you might have downloaded the stable version without realizing it. |
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| So I've got an anime with three English subtitle tracks (Don't ask me why >.>) and when I play this anime it always picks track number one. I was wondering if there was a way so I could pick track number two as default. I can do this in VLC but I'm not seeing anything similar in the options for MPC. Thanks for any help. |
| I believe it's possible to do it with LAV Splitter. I know for certain you can use advanced tags in the subtitle options to choose which language you want, but I admit I'm not sure how to go about it when it concerns the order of multiple ones. http://1f0.de/lav-splitter/lav-splitter-stream-selection/ Do some reading and see if you can find what you're looking for. If you want, I don't mind asking nevcariel directly in his own LAV thread. |
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| Champion! Got it to work. Thanks Niyawa. |
Niyawa said: When MAL fixes their forums I'll update the guide and input some extra steps so people don't get stuck later. Hahahahahaha, WE'LL BE WAITING MANY MOONS FOR THIS. JbstormburstADV said: I'm looking at the guide right now, and I see the usage of xy-subfilter and not xy-vsfilter. Is there a reason for this? And at what point would you install xy-vsfilter? XySubFilter is better than xy-VSFilter in pretty much every way. There's no longer any reason to use xy-VSFilter. |
| MOONS? I expect a whole new season to pass while I wait. Anyway, I'm currently considering the option to move this guide to KCP's forum but to be honest I don't wanna. KCP makes most of what's here automatically so having that there would seem to be a pretty pointless thing to do. At least here I can make it a single entity which won't be extremely related to any other app. |
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| You're not using ReClock, so your current playback isn't in a proper 3:2 pulldown (which leads to frame repeat instead). |
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danuchiha99 said: use internal lav filters if you use mpc-hc or external if you want to use mpc-be or potplayer...........Should I use the LAV Filters, you posted on the homepage, or should I use the LAV Filters that came with MPC-HC? |
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danuchiha99 said: lav filters are already running by default in mpc-hc - once you start a video file on mpc-hc right click and go down to filters - you should see which filters are in use, which should show lav (internal)(video, audio, splitter), as well as madvr, sub filter, reclock (if used), etc. - internal lav loads automatically.........How do I use the internal LAV Filters... I uninstalled the external LAV Filters, now what do I do? Is there a difference between the two? |
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elemein said: However, I'm not noticing a great video quality improvement. Maybe it's just because I'm using "mid" settings. Weird. It's smoother though; theres that. It potentially increases in case you aren't doing proper rendering. madVR has automatic features like color calibration that makes sure the video you're watching has the right tone. Other things such as your monitor or your previous setup will influence that change so whether you notice it or not will heavily depend on those simple points. elemein said: Nonetheless I'm having one problem. Whenever I pause and unpause something, the audio will be dropped for a split second before working properly. I don't know what is causing this; is there a fix. It's likely ReClock. If you've read the guide more throughly, you'd come around the part where I explain that using it will add 500ms of overhead for audio to enable proper adaptation of video. I reduced that value to 100ms for a better sweet spot but it's still noticeable, you can either lower that value or disable ReClock entirely to remove that annoying split. elemein said: Also, where do you think my APU would slot into the requirements? (I am using an A6-4455M; however, the max CPU clockrate is 2.1 GHz as opposed to the rated 2.6GHz due to Samsung's ultra-thin chassis that makes heat an issue. For other info, my notebook is a Samsung Series 5 535U3C. Thanks!) I'm not sure since I never used an APU. I have some data on other GPUs so I was able to make the madVR graph based on feedback and whatnot, but I believe the best way to see what your specs are really capable of is playing a 1080p 10-bit video of at least 30fps and adjust the settings until it gets smooth without any dropped frames. My condolences for you going back to VLC, sometimes it's just more easy. |
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danuchiha99 said: yes, xhmikosr (the guy behind mpc-hc nightly) always uses the most up-to-date version of lav filters in his builds....if yr. looking for stand-alone nightly builds of lav, go to the following link: http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?uk=2214911777&shareid=497331#dir/path=%2F%E8%87%AA%E7%BC%96%E8%AF%91%E8%BD%AF%E4%BB%B6Whenever the new MPC-HC nightly build comes out, will everything, including LAV Filters be updated? and yes, it is legit - i've been using these builds for a while...... |
octal9Jan 14, 2014 1:14 AM
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| After finally switching from VS-Filter to SubFilter I now have an entry in my OSD titled 'Subtitle Queue' that runs at 15-16/16. I'm wondering if this is normal as I've noticed that you don't have it in your OSD screenshots? |
callannnJan 14, 2014 9:19 AM
Squall13 said: But I did install ReClock. I followed your instructions on the first page and it shows up on the filters. Then maybe it's the refresh rate of your monitor? I can't tell just from what you said. ReClock automatically adjusts media based upon that refresh rate so unless you're not adapting it at all (original speed) then I don't have any other ideas. danuchiha99 said: Whenever the new MPC-HC nightly build comes out, will everything, including LAV Filters be updated? Yes. Download it from the official repository and you'll always get the latest LAV. callannn said: After finally switching from VS-Filter to SubFilter I now have an entry in my OSD titled 'Subtitle Queue' that runs at 15-16/16. I'm wondering if this is normal as I've noticed that you don't have it in your OSD screenshots? It's probably some useful information that SubFilter has implemented to compliment madVR. My screenshots date to previous xy-VSFilter so it's can't be helped that information isn't there. ProfPepper said: Not sure if this issue has been resolved or if it's just me, but I get a frame stutter every so often with this setup. The sound doesn't seem to be affected. I need more details. A lot of things can make video stutter, usually bad settings or low performance hardware. In worst-case scenario, it's a driver issue or the video encode itself. |
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Uthred said: When I check my configuration via the OSD where the sample screenshot in the guide has "1 frame dropped every 16.08 hours" I have "1 frame repeats every 1.05 minutes". Just wondering is this within acceptable margins of error or did I cock something up? You're not using ReClock. When the video can't be adapted to do a proper 3:2 pulldown, it repeats frames so it doesn't drop them. |
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| The gpu of the i7 4770k, hd 4600, can run 1080p animes with setting Jinc 3 ar? |
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Update #4 - Xinil is actually working, but bbcode problems still persists I said I would put a weekly update in this guide to keep you all informed, but MAL schedule is something else so I decided to make it monthly instead. Today is by no means a particular special day, I simply had forgotten about it so I'm doing it while I feel doing anything. Xinil seems to be actually working on code these days but running a website with only one coder is hard as we all can imagine, so I don't expect any hope that the current situation of bbcode issues will change any soon. [img] tag is still disabled, which means that half of the guide will be made useless the moment I update, so I literally can't touch it. In the light of those issues, it has been mentioned that I was considering moving it to KCP forums (since I have the approval of the staff) but there's already a long thread here full of knowledge and memories... (51 pages and counting!). I admit it, I don't want to let go of it that easily. Of course, that's not the only reason I'm being stubborn. All the updates we've missed doesn't really put any groundbreaking changes in the way the guide is concerned (like what smooth motion or XySubFilter did) and there hasn't been any new hardware releases to justify the update of the madVR chart as well. There are some other reasons I don't particularly remember at this point, but you all got the idea. This doesn't concern any of you and some will also find this useless information, but my life is also busy as well. I don't remember the last time I watched anime. That was like... well... one day ago? My pace is horrible. Anyway, here are some stuff that I plan to update the guide with ASAP: - Information about NVidia Optimus to help people with APUs. - A little more detail on how ReClock works and who needs it. - A few changes to settings that I've been evaluating for months now. - madVR calibration will be implemented, just the easy stuff though. - More details about smooth motion and how it works. - Of course, programs and links will be updated as well. As for smooth motion, there's something I want to make a special mention of. Some of you seem to be misunderstanding what smooth motion is about and this is what I will address in the guide sooner or later. Smooth motion is not a way to make you get better performance, it makes video more smooth by using a motion blur algorithm that gives the illusion of flawless motion by using more of your resources (GPU in particular). It's not a performance option, it's a feature that will increase the burden on your hardware, not the other way around. Now that's out of the window. I'll go back to my daily life and see if I can catch up with things. As always, thanks for your patronage. blacklynx said: The gpu of the i7 4770k, hd 4600, can run 1080p animes with setting Jinc 3 ar? It might. But I don't have the hardware to test it so you'll have to play around with it. |
NiyawaJan 20, 2014 4:52 PM
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| There are 3 reasons that could happen: 1. A bug with XySubFilter (which is still beta so can't do anything about it). 2. A bug with MPC-BE (it's usually more bug-free than -HC but who knows). 3. The subtitles might be using an effect + buffer that your machine can't handle. You didn't mention specs so I can't tell if it's hardware related but looking at a glance, it certainly seems to be the subtitle renderer's fault. Maybe that exact spot that makes it crash has some sort of TS or code work in the subs that hangs on your memory and makes madVR unusable. The only way to truly know would be using xy-VSFilter and see if that fixes or not. |
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| Hm, first time I (remember) hearing of this. Could you give me a screenshot so I can have a better idea what's going on? |
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| That seems like a typesetting issue, however it can be a bug in XySubFilter that only that specific TS can trigger so I can't say for sure. Did you try downgrading to xy-VSFilter and see if it was gone? This is just as last resort, but you could also check your subtitle options in both MPC-HC and XySubFilter or so to make sure they aren't messing with anything (like applying custom styles). |
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| I'll keep that in mind. Beta versions of xy-VSFilter never really were an issue so I got overconfident. |
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| Hi Niyawa-san, I don't know if you have tried it yet but there's a new verion of madVR v0.87 that introduced a debanding filter and a new upscaling method called nnedi3 and it seems to do magic for real life footage (http://madshi.net/madVR/lighthouse.png), I don't know whether I should switch to it or keep using jinc for anime and I would like your opinion about it, to me it seems to provide some kind of antialiasing to the black edges of items and characters in anime giving a sharper look to them, but it does weird things at times like trying to remove film grain like noise added on purpose in some scenes or trying to remove the dot grid pattern you can see in the opening of d frag. |
| Yes. I'm aware of that update. I'm not sure what NNEDI3 does yet (since I'm not able to see if for myself) and while I did check the update I didn't read madshi's notes on it. For now, I don't recommend updating yet since a lot of people has been reporting black screens and whatnot even with NNEDI3 and other OpenCL features disabled. madshi also seems not so sure himself what is causing it aside from it being triggered by OpenCL features, neither am I. I'm able to use latest update with all OpenCL features disabled, but if you still wish to try it out, just make sure you've got the previous 0.86.x with you, just in case. |
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| I have what may be a silly couple of questions: 1. What is generally considered to be an 'acceptable' number of dropped frames using madVR? I've been experimenting with it in combination with things like DXVA and smooth motion and gotten results as low as 1-2 and as high as several hundred. Just curious. 2. What does the "frame repeat every ___ seconds/minutes" mean? Is a higher or lower number better here, or does it matter? |
 You've come a long way, baby. |
| 1. There isn't an acceptable number of dropped frames. If you drop them on the first second(s) of the video, it's likely just the renderer being busy doing it's job while still caching up frames in the memory, etc which is why we say it's okay as long as it is at the start of the video. If you get it anywhere else, unless it was caused by an external factor (such as background apps) then it means you're not getting smooth playback. So working on fixing it to make sure it's constant in any moment of playback is what I'd consider "acceptable". 2. It's basically an factor that tells the situation between video clock and monitor refresh rate. The appropriate way to play video is having the display hz being the same or an equivalent of the video fps e.g 30fps/60hz. So, if you repeat frames, it means that the video clock is lower than the display hz, but not equivalent, which ends on frame repeat so it doesn't drop it. The opposite would lead to frame drop which wouldn't be nice to look at, but it's a very worst-case scenario though. If I were you, I'd only care about this if I were an videophile, because it's very hard (if not near impossible) to notice the difference between a few 0.xfps of difference (mostly this is the situation people are in). I have ReClock here because it adapts the display hz on-demand, which makes things more smooth without tinkering with settings. So if you have 23fps, ReClock adaps it to 24 and changes the refresh rate to 24/48/72hz. This is the only situation where caring about it would actually matter. |
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| It's not. madVR uses the GPU and GPU only. I believe it's more about the cooling system of your laptop than madVR itself. When using madVR, you can expect the GPU to start working and a mild increase in CPU usage, but that's all. I don't notice my fan ramping up with madVR playback so maybe you have an isolated issue that I can't pinpoint since it might not be related to playback at all. |
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| So I had to reinstall windows due to some issues, I followed this guide again, however I seem to be dropping frames at an insane rate, any idea what could be causing this? http://puu.sh/6FudN.JPG, this is 1 minute into the video. |
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