Shingeki no Kyojin Episode 24 Discussion

Xinception said:

You've gotta admit, they added the action, so that's that.

This is the only part I suspected that Isayama isn't involved. But hey, action, who cares right?

But don't worry, episode 25 will be good. They have the balls to premiere it in theaters, so they better hope they pull out all their shit.

VTOtaku said:
"Hey, Erin, what's up. I see you're lying underneath a pile of stone and sh*t that fell on you, bleeding from your head and apparently impaled. Miraculously you're not dead/paralyzed. Maybe just a little concussed. Whoa, don't pass out on me yet. You still there? Well, while I got you here, I'm gonna lecture you on your performance issues. I know, Armin, we should really get him out from under there and to safety considering that was one of the main reasons we even hatched this plan to begin with, but this is the best opportunity for me to talk to him about this stuff. Erin, bro, you really let me down. I was COUNTING on you. I mean, it was only a few weeks ago that we talked about this. Look, I'm disappointed in you. You gotta get your sh*t together. Also, lets get you a ring like Annie has so you don't have to repeatedly, and ineffectively might I add, nom at your hand. K? K. Thanks for listening, bro. I'm gonna leave you here to regain your strength a bit and go distract Annie instead of helping dig you out some more. Later."

-Jean

It's moments of ridiculousness like this that get looked over in all the glitz and flash of the series. Also, idc how much resolve Erin has, you're not, in human form, pulling your damaged body (much less a fairly healthy one) UP a wooden stake that has impaled you. People pass out from breaking an arrow tip off and pulling the relatively smooth rod through. This was a widening and jagged beam of wood. No.

VTOtaku said:
"Hey, Erin, what's up. I see you're lying underneath a pile of stone and sh*t that fell on you, bleeding from your head and apparently impaled. Miraculously you're not dead/paralyzed. Maybe just a little concussed. Whoa, don't pass out on me yet. You still there? Well, while I got you here, I'm gonna lecture you on your performance issues. I know, Armin, we should really get him out from under there and to safety considering that was one of the main reasons we even hatched this plan to begin with, but this is the best opportunity for me to talk to him about this stuff. Erin, bro, you really let me down. I was COUNTING on you. I mean, it was only a few weeks ago that we talked about this. Look, I'm disappointed in you. You gotta get your sh*t together. Also, lets get you a ring like Annie has so you don't have to repeatedly, and ineffectively might I add, nom at your hand. K? K. Thanks for listening, bro. I'm gonna leave you here to regain your strength a bit and go distract Annie instead of helping dig you out some more. Later."

-Jean

It's moments of ridiculousness like this that get looked over in all the glitz and flash of the series. Also, idc how much resolve Erin has, you're not, in human form, pulling your damaged body (much less a fairly healthy one) UP a wooden stake that has impaled you. People pass out from breaking an arrow tip off and pulling the relatively smooth rod through. This was a widening and jagged beam of wood. No.

Still, entertaining and that's the point. This series is definitely a good one for the genre. The action was fast paced and brutal as has now become expected of the series. I enjoy that the action sequences aren't just series of repetition (a la Bleach, etc.) but rather comprising of unique movements.

I feel bad for Annie too. I know she is killing everyone, but I really can't wait until her motives are revealed. However, I hope it's not on her death that they come to light.

VTOtaku said:

It's moments of ridiculousness like this that get looked over in all the glitz and flash of the series. Also, idc how much resolve Erin has, you're not, in human form, pulling your damaged body (much less a fairly healthy one) UP a wooden stake that has impaled you. People pass out from breaking an arrow tip off and pulling the relatively smooth rod through. This was a widening and jagged beam of wood. No.

Dissent said:
That adrenaline rush was strong enough to even get my blood boiling. Expecting a good fight between Eren and Annie next episode.




Hah! You are watching an anime where physics took a different turn. Stuff like conservation of mass, or even logic for that matter, doesn't apply to shounen.

AnimageNeby said:




That's not *entirely* true.

1)You have a point when taking it seriously/realistically, as compared to OUR world (aka, actual reality). In that way, you are mostly right: a shounen can't be expected to totally concur with our reality. However, the expectancy of the level of suspension of disbelief needed, depends greatly on the portrayed realistic setting of the anime. (aka, the more some aspects are portrayed as to work/have the same handle as our reality, the more it should concur in accordance WITH our reality.)

2)The second point of consideration, however, deals with the INTERNAL consistency of the anime itself. This is a whole other matter. While one can debate at length whether something is realistic compared to our world/reality (the air-gear comes to mind), and I agree some things are clearly portrayed as not compatible with how we know reality works...that has no bearing on the internal consistency of the story itself. The difference is important: you can have a completely otherwordly setting where nothing works as it does in reality and STILL have an entirely consistent world on itself, where everything makes sense *within that world*. These sort of 'universe' creations are the most captivating and compelling, imho.

To put it in an analogy with your own example; take your 'conservation of mass' when they turn into giants, for instance. Sure, we all know, that compared to actual reality, this is impossible. However, it clearly is expected in the anime that you have suspension of disbelief in this matter. It's part of the lore, after all. Thus, within story, it's possible and valid, and it remains logical within that setting/context.

HOWEVER; if, after showing multiple times this is done, they would claim, in a certain episode (in-story, thus), that a giant-transformation must and does preserve the conservation of mass - while at the same time showing it doesn't - THEN they are being inconsistent, and one can rightfully say there is a logical error. A contradictio in terminis within a given setting ALWAYS is wrong and feels gratingly annoying.

If one tries to establish and create a consistent and believable world, with whatever parameters (and these can differ from ours), it still needs to be internally consistent, it's as simple as that.

Xinception said:


In short, fiction is fiction, no matter how much they apply real science into it.

(I still have doubts about real science, since there are so much to discover! Hell we might morph our arms into gigantic arms one day in the future! Until now, we're cockblocked by Einstein and his Relativity Theory, which cockblocks us from Time Travelling..... Fuck you Einstein, at least Quantum Mechanics is here to comfort us!)

AnimageNeby said:


Well...the point I was trying to make was rather that consistency should be applied to fiction as well, at least, if you want to make a captivating, believable world.

Xinception said:


SnK has been consistent IMO. It might be illogical that you can convert humidity in the air into body cells, but hey they're not making crazy spin-offs. They're sticking with it! Unlike some shit like..... Bleach, Naruto and their weird lores.

AnimageNeby said:


That would be a point 1) argument. ;-)

There are no real (or at least logical) qualms with that from an in-story viewpoint, me thinks; it's lore particular to that series/world/'universe' (obviously not to ours). Only from a meta-stance, where you look at it from our own reality, would it be impossible. But, indeed, that has no bearings on the consistency of the anime/story itself.

This differentiation was a bit the whole point I was trying to make. :-)


Apart from some minor issues, SnK has been reasonably consistent, yes.

AnimageNeby said:


Well... I'm not trying to take sides here, and while I was a little pissed back then due to his aggressive and derisive answers , I'm now calmed down. It was exactly to NOT get involved in this tit-for-tat discussion between those that claim the series is perfect, and those that claim it's worthless because it's not perfect.

For what it's worth, I do understand where he's coming from, and I can't say he doesn't have a point here and there. The main problem is not, whether he's wrong in pointing out unrealistic scenes, but how much you give weight to these minor inconsistencies. I'm still not sure if he truly understands that a different evaluation and appreciation of those unrealistic scenes is possible and as valid - or even more so, from the stance of a consistent evaluation. So it's not really that he's always wrong in everything he points out; on itself, I found it interesting to note how many things he has (sometimes not totally unwarranted) issues with - but I'm still wondering about his level of frustration towards it.

One can see it with his last post where he calls into question Mikasa's escape from the hand of Annie. She didn't react/escape soon enough, and she didn't have enough leeway/space to cut herself free, according to him. Now...the comment isn't really all that absurd, viewed on itself. Maybe it would have been better if Mikasa cut herself free 2 seconds faster, and maybe in reality, there would have been to few space left for her to cut the fingers off. But is that really the point; that it wasn't realistic?

That's why I gave the example of the air-gear. However you turn it, that air-gear-mechanism is, viewed realistically, BS. It can not work. It has no gyroscope or stabiliser, there is no mechanism to always retract the barbs of the 'arrows' at the exact time so that they're never stuck, when they have to swing again, etc. Even with our own computerised electro-mechanic technology it would be hard to manoeuvre like they do in that anime, and still outright impossible to have talks and look backwards when swinging in a forest without hitting any trees, like magic. Let alone with their level of technology as is shown in the anime. I repeat: it's totally unrealistic and can't possibly work as depicted.

Thus, if there is not enough realism with Mikasa's escape from the titans' hand, why is there enough realism for that air-gear? That is the real crux of the matter. Both are unrealistic, yet - I presume - he has no qualms with the airgear (if he does, he couldn't stomach the series from the start, since it's all over the place). There is no sense in complaining Mikasa did something that might be considered unrealistic, if people are already swinging and flying around unrealistically. This is a dichotomy or inconsistency in the evaluation of both things. It is EXPECTED of the audience to have some fault-tolerance here, however. Yes, we all know swinging around like that is very unlikely and unrealistic, *but you accept it, or at least put up with it* because you realise it's needed to have some suspension of disbelief in this sort of anime.

For me, the escape of Mikasa was no better or worse than many, many other things we can see in the anime, which were, strictly spoken, unrealistic and unlikely. But if we wanted a realistically portrayed movie, we wouldn't be watching this anime (or any anime, for that matter). Therefore, what is still plausible *within* the setting of the anime, does not irk me. Apparently it irks him, though. But there is no objective line where something gets 'too' unrealistic to accept, and when it does not: this is subjective and differs from person to person. Personally, I never make a fuss (in evaluating my appreciation of the anime) about things that , given the context, are portrayed within that 'universe' as being possible.

This leaves only the instances when it clearly is a logical mistake in the meta-sense; where things REALLY doesn't add up, purely viewed as a logical progression. Like Annie being surprised, and Erens' run at the end. Even WITHIN the context of the anime, that didn't make much sense. But even there, the issues are rather small and insignificant. One does not have to deny they're there, but it isn't anything major neither. Yes, I'm all for the developers rectifying these mistakes in some future redux-edition, but you know, they really didn't make or break the story.




What? Are you now being ironic again? Or is this a hint to say that you, are, in fact, briccx? Or are you just trolling?

It really is difficult to tell with you. For the off-chance that you are being serious: rail in your paranoia, pls. I don't know the guy, and the thought to make another nick just to say something good about myself wouldn't even occur to me. I know I'm good, and I have no qualms saying that under my own nick. ;-)

I guess you're projecting again. You really DO seem to have issues with all this ego-stuff and getting credit and praise and all that. Personally, I don't give such things much importance; the logic of a discussion is much more important to me.

But maybe you're playing me a fool again, I don't know. I just calmed down, don't get me all pissed off again, if I may ask.

Vinda said:
What's the song's name when eren turn into a titan ?

briccx said:


Now everybody thinks this is a fake acount xd. The thing is , i dont have time to comment on the forum so i just read the opinion of the people, vote , etc. But lately with airon comments i got pissed of and made my first post because of that. Sorry for the insults, that was childish i know, but you should not watch any anime, movies, series or others cause you dont seem to enjoy them and you never take a look at the good parts, you only know how to criticize negatively and you are soooo nitpicky .

Sorry for my english, i learned the little i know from the internet

thatguy said:
If Mikasa could recognize the face of the Titan how come she didn't say anything beforehand? Same for Armin? I mean Eren is ok because he was knocked out and you would think Annie would change her style as a giant as to not be detected that way.

And how did she get to the city before the Recon Corps did? Especially when she got cut up when they left her?

The plan was kind of funny considering they didn't think to have the guys dressed as regular folks walking around so it wouldn't be completely empty. I thought it was supposed to be like that because of security reasons or something

And how does Annie haver her powers? Is she part of an experiment? I mean she's clearly far more experienced with them than Eren is so she must have been doing this for a while. And does that mean all Titans have humans in them? I mean they have killed some and they just melt when they die and no humans show up or maybe the humans get dissolved by the disintergrating body of the Titan?

-Sakuya- said:
Needs more Bert x Reiner screentime.

HD_survivor said:
that scene were Commander Erwin was super badass, reminded me of a super secret spy.

Xinception said:


Irvin Smith .... James Bond.... wait, don't tell me?

urdur said:
I swear, if annie get hurt in the next episode i will rage quit this serie too -.-
Annie forever D: <3

sim0n2170 said:


Well you better start preparing to rage quit, it doesn't look too good for Annie atm.

yuquall said:

Lol, the world is cruel..

sim0n2170 said:


Indeed it is

Xinception said:
Prepare yourself fellas, tomorrow is the day.

Xinception said:
Prepare yourself fellas, tomorrow is the day.

Darude said:
I'm going to take this potato chip......... AND IT!!!!!!

HalfMetalJacket said:
Here's to hoping the Studio doesn't screw the final episode up...

ZeroZx said:
Fuckk yeah I am pumped for the season finale. Time for round two.

ibrahim2712 said:
Is episode 25 an hour long?

MooshiPirpy14 said:
does the last episode air Saturday the 28th or Sunday the 29th??

Or if you know what time does it air in EST time?

Thanks for the help