LucianRoy said: lastwhisper31 said: So @LucianRoy, I told you I would tell you what I thought of aa-dono's post, but I can not for the life of me find it... any chance you can link it to me? Their big catch-up post for the game page 11. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1641786&show=500#msg51721926 ok so I have a lot to read and think about before I go to sleep. Ill def be posting my thought, thanks. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: I can't help you if you don't know what I'm talking about...aa-dono said: Lucian's post is easy to read. Instead of doing paragraphs, he cut it in sections or something. Point is, it's easier to read them while Wisp's long paragraphs takes energy. I did read it. But halfway through 1st paragraph I have to re-read since I forgot what I was doing. After repeating that several times, I might as well just wait till I'm not tired and have enough energy to digest that post. It's a bad habit, but I could either pretend I've read it, skip it entirely or put a marker on it so that I will read it eventually. Both post's are actually spaced/organized quite well so idk what your talking about lmfao. |
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Red_Salmon said: I'll be doing an ISO on Abu. I suspect he might be lazy town more than I suspect him to be scummy. But a reread of his posts will certainly make me decide to vote him or not. Red_Salmon said: ISO on @AbuHumaid D1: #65 "Oh shit it started" #70 "LucianRoy I'm on phone and not caught up, will get to you later" #122 "aight i'm here, so what's the beef?" Nothing telling so far #162 "it's not like I'm lurking on purpose..." But others say that hes not a newby and lurked a lot in his previous games. #167 says he has no reads. asks for my reads #175 generally agrees with most of the people. Doesn't really have his own opinions. Asked for explanation of my reads. #176 "when did i imply otherwise?" agrees that hes played many games before #335 "ouch, why so much hate?" in response to talk of his inactivity #409 "I think we should agree to lynch someone at least 9 hours before phase change" D2: #414 "damn" changes his vote to me. says nothing. Just lazy. #418 tries to defend his sheeping with "there's no better lynch now" #419 asks for explanation of L1 and L2 #423 Defends why he sheeped by saying that any lynch is a good lynch. Showing zero motivation to try to find a person he might think is scummy. I think he doesn't have any reads at all at this point either. #458 I gotta agree with LW here. He used the same words that he used. Generally speaking, imo, his actions don't really say that he's scummy. He just pops in at times, looks at a few posts on that page (and that page alone) says stuff and then leaves. The only thing we can say for sure is that he's lazy. If the reason for voting him is #414 then I must say that his sheep at 414 is nothing out of the ordinary. Hes just being lazy and going with the flow. After saying all of this you still think he is not scummy? What was the point of your ISO. Shouldnt you be pissed off as town even if he's a so called "lazy town"? Red_Salmon said: Btw, we now have almost 25 hours and 45 minutes left. Red_Salmon said: With AbuHumaid not being a lynch-target for me, I'll be looking into Shinichi now. You're announcing your next move and I'm not even sure what you're actually planning to do nor if there's any time for that given the situation you're in right now. |
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lastwhisper31 said: I've only seen 2 games of you and Togs (minus this one). He didn't townread you last game :Paa-dono said: Because he already explained his townread on Lucian here. I just realized he gave reasons for Wisp's there. Missed it before. Ya but Togs always town leans me after 5 or so posts lmao. What was the point of saying Togs always give you a town lean anyway? |
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LucianRoy said: Shinichi-Kun said: I aint talking about that game, I was talking about games where I was on hiatus and the ones you played before you were banned. I can see that, but I'm talking about this game. The point I'm trying to make is that using the info you gain from that question won't be indicative of my alignment, and it looked primarily like a busy-work question with no real aim fmpov. My games then are the same as my games now, I just got better at the game. It takes time for everyone to learn the full meta of current forum mafia. Night kill analysis will always be, wifom. (except in that extremely rare case once in 100 games where it isn't.) A little off topic, but still very relevant since you like my meta so much. How do you think I eventually figured out who the last scum was in The Morning After? How did I lynch correctly the final day in a three person scenario being the only Conf. town? How do you think I got myself to D7 being confirmed town without getting shot? The major part was the PoE I pushed for in the late-game that left me cleared by the dead cop D7, and I could vote for whoever in the 2 town 1 scum situation, with me being confirmed. That's a very rare situation for me, but the fact is, it happened. Scum did not shoot me the entire game. I bring this up because it's a somewhat decent case-study of scum determining who they want to kill, and often times, it's based on other things then just 'hur dur let's shoot all the good town players lmao" Iron isn't that new tbf this like his 5th game per say. What does this say about Zymf then? I aint actually sure, because I though you were going to lynch town again like you had been doing the previous phases. I actually wanted to ask you what made you finally vote scum. Not sure that was re first game as scum so to compared that to someone like me or you who are very experienced at this game it be different. I do however get your point, I was just curious of said outcome cause maybe I could catch scum off knowing why they targeted suzune over you who also was kinda leading the game a little. If ace scum its most likely that zymf is also scum, or else I cant see why someone would defend a person who has just been crazy scummy. |
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AbuHumaid said: Do you have a better choice in mind?vote: Ironace @Shinichi-Kun @Gwendolly do you guys think we should lynch Ironace or you have better choices? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: ...Gwendolly said: @Shinichi-Kun That's also one of my reasons why I never read town. Yes even if I did put aa-dono in my good shoes. Okay, Imma continue with page 13 and 14 now. Ik its possible haha, ruu and dono literally tried to do it in kiznaiver which is scary because dono is in this game too. And it's scary because...? Unless you think I'm scum this game, then this just feels like fear mongering to me. I can't decide if it's fearmongering or fear mongering. Auto-correct says the one with space but I'm pretty sure logic's been using the one without space... |
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aa-dono said: Shinichi-Kun said: ...Ik its possible haha, ruu and dono literally tried to do it in kiznaiver which is scary because dono is in this game too. And it's scary because...? Unless you think I'm scum this game, then this just feels like fear mongering to me. I can't decide if it's fearmongering or fear mongering. Auto-correct says the one with space but I'm pretty sure logic's been using the one without space... Prob is but i distrust you after that game lol |
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Shinichi said: If salmon is scum in that situation you would have to weigh out to options. 1.Would the mafia risk killing the guy who pressured their buddy so hard or 2.They avoided killing that person to avoid anymore light being signed on salmon Who got pressured in this case? I'm too tired to understand...please explain. Avoiding killing that person ....again...who? Do you mean lucian? @Shinichi-Kun |
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Gwendolly said: Shinichi said: If salmon is scum in that situation you would have to weigh out to options. 1.Would the mafia risk killing the guy who pressured their buddy so hard or 2.They avoided killing that person to avoid anymore light being signed on salmon Who got pressured in this case? I'm too tired to understand...please explain. Avoiding killing that person ....again...who? Do you mean lucian? @Shinichi-Kun Not even sure because I cant recall what I was replying too, why didnt you quote the link lol. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: ironace said: Also, forgot to ask this question to all you guys who have been mafia in previous games.. who is the ideal target to lynch? How does mafia decide to do this? Hmm? Mafia usually find a weak links in town so they can exploit him/her so they can get them lynched. It may be happening right now |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Gwendolly said: Who got pressured in this case? I'm too tired to understand...please explain. Avoiding killing that person ....again...who? Do you mean lucian? @Shinichi-Kun Not even sure because I cant recall what I was replying too, why didnt you quote the link lol. Because it was a long ass post xD uuuhh...it was your response to ironace theories #583 |
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lastwhisper31 said: How is this a counter to anything? Red clearly said "nothing telling" about that point.Red_Salmon said: ISO on @AbuHumaid D1: #65 "Oh shit it started" #70 "LucianRoy I'm on phone and not caught up, will get to you later" #122 "aight i'm here, so what's the beef?" Nothing telling so far #162 "it's not like I'm lurking on purpose..." But others say that hes not a newby and lurked a lot in his previous games. #167 says he has no reads. asks for my reads #175 generally agrees with most of the people. Doesn't really have his own opinions. Asked for explanation of my reads. #176 "when did i imply otherwise?" agrees that hes played many games before #335 "ouch, why so much hate?" in response to talk of his inactivity #409 "I think we should agree to lynch someone at least 9 hours before phase change" D2: #414 "damn" changes his vote to me. says nothing. Just lazy. #418 tries to defend his sheeping with "there's no better lynch now" #419 asks for explanation of L1 and L2 #423 Defends why he sheeped by saying that any lynch is a good lynch. Showing zero motivation to try to find a person he might think is scummy. I think he doesn't have any reads at all at this point either. #458 I gotta agree with LW here. He used the same words that he used. Generally speaking, imo, his actions don't really say that he's scummy. He just pops in at times, looks at a few posts on that page (and that page alone) says stuff and then leaves. The only thing we can say for sure is that he's lazy. If the reason for voting him is #414 then I must say that his sheep at 414 is nothing out of the ordinary. Hes just being lazy and going with the flow. [i]So this will be my counter analysis, these are kinda what I like doing the most in mafia games. Plus I learned how to link post numbers and I was really exciting to try it out haha. #65 So if we are going to put this quote at the fore front of our arguement, then its only fair to add that this #88 also happened, Im not saying that the usefulness of these two players is the same, I just thought it be something to point out. lastwhisper31 said: .. You have a point.#175 and #176, again in 175 he states he doesnt have any reads, but wants to know Salmons reads, again it feels like instead of building his own case hes trying to built off the cases of other people, but tbh some people do play like early on, and I am very guilty of this. In 176, he pretty much boils it down to being lack of experience in a previous post, but then makes a snarky comment towards Shin saying thats actually not the case. Again, If its not lack of experience, then why does it feel like hes trying hard to use that as an excuse. Not gonna +1 each and everything. Why is wen one of your scumread? |
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For clarity I will bold all aa-dono's comments, and discuss what I think about each right under them: #42 - It's hard to see Wisp as a new player with this kind of post. I mean isnt this just common sense? Confident scum will try to lead the game early if possible. One thing to note that is that if said lynchee flips town, you should look at the reasoning behind the first vote, and if its obvious that there must be scum on the train, then its also good to note that other scum my hide in the middle of the train, because the end and start tend to be an off put for scum because those areas are both checked. I cant say if that holds complete truth for town flips, but if someone flips scum, its more possible that scum are towards the middle of a train, if like I said its obvious that there must be scum on the train. #93 - At this point, I still don't know where is Wisp standing with his reads. Feels like he's just pretending to look be doing something :/ Scummy Its funny I feel as if your trying to look like you've come to your own consensus on what to label me as, but idk why it still kinda feels like your sheeping off of what Gwen started. and wtf does that even mean, I am always doing something. #99 - Points out that he doesn't get Sleip's POV but there was no question directed to anyone to understand where they're coming from. Lack of gamesolving attempt. Scummy. What was there to ask, this most likely came from a past game experience, and it's not like I didnt also sympathize with his thinking as well. I played more of the devil's advocate there, not gunna lie there. and wtf is with this lack of game solving bs... and those scummy posts at the end seem like a sad attempt to get everyone to keep on me instead of looking for other possible scum. Gwen was so focused on seeing me scum that after she saw that "definitely" everything to her came off as scum, its all slightly biased thought hidden behind little reasoning, that I kinda see you playing off of. - So he thinks Sleip's vote is extreme. Ya, Lucian made like two posts, and he wrote up this whole theory on scum controling the votes. And if you want where I stand on Sleip, then Ill say more of a town lean, because I dont feel that scum would put so much attention on themselves so early on, but also theres the fact that he hasnt been as active day 2, and hasnt really come back on if he still believes Lucian is scum leading the town (I may be mistaken) #51 - I think speculating about TPR before there's any evidence or indication that it exists is distracting. This used to be a red flag to me, but I've learnt that town does this too. So eh. I think we all got pretty confused early on about tpr and not, and really havent brought it up again, we all came to a decision that their is no tpr, so why put emphasis on this. #52 - This post makes Sleip a town-lean for me. Gut feels = town leans to you??? #193 - This feels like it completely dodged Gwen's question about townreading me. I don't see how he's dodging anything. Gwen question was 'the need to have reads'. She didn't say it was esp about you. I stand corrected. How do you know this though? Does 'weird' translate into 'scummy', or does it not warrant a vote? I like this question. Not gunna lie, I didnt really think much about what Gwen specifically wanted to hear, I just kinda gave the answer I felt was needed. I didnt realize she wanted me to focus more on why I town read Lucian, but if anything my early town read can be see as just as crazy as Sleips crazy scum read. My point was that, Sleip may read Lucian as scum from those early posts, and I chimed in and said that I saw it as Town indicative. "Definitely" wasn't the best choice of word in that situation I agree though. #229"Certainly Gwennies townes is showing in some posts, but def not in a post that could be from either alignment." A lot of posts can be seen as either or, but to get back to this. I will try posting an ISO on Gwen tomorrow if I have the time. @Togs #133 - Why is Wisp a townlean? Togs always town reads me #168 - I agree on Sleip. Not so much on Wisp. I don't see the pro-town part of it. Still feel like you focusing more on how theres almost no chance I'm town, is there nothing you saw that reads as town. Even in my psychopass game I had a nice balance of hate and love. Do you have any knew info at all? tldr: Rough Lean List seen from her posts Sleip - town lean Lucian - Neutral Me - 3 posts that she analyzed and came to the conclusion that im scummy. Gwen - town lean because dono doesnt believe mafia can be bold. Togs - Neutral Shin - ??? Suzune - dead Salmon - slight agreement with her lean on Sleip but against her town lean on me Alberto - "Ok in my book" idk why though So imo she comes back from her hiatus and instead of bringing any new info just seems to focus on me and doesn't directly state any of her leans Edit: Dont really have a place for her either, is it scummy that she jumped on me, but if I believe that then I gotta look at everyone else that also jumped on me, including Shin because he also sheeped off of what Lucian and Gwen started. |
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aa-dono said: lastwhisper31 said: How is this a counter to anything? Red clearly said "nothing telling" about that point.[i]So this will be my counter analysis, these are kinda what I like doing the most in mafia games. Plus I learned how to link post numbers and I was really exciting to try it out haha. #65 So if we are going to put this quote at the fore front of our arguement, then its only fair to add that this #88 also happened, Im not saying that the usefulness of these two players is the same, I just thought it be something to point out. lastwhisper31 said: .. You have a point.#175 and #176, again in 175 he states he doesnt have any reads, but wants to know Salmons reads, again it feels like instead of building his own case hes trying to built off the cases of other people, but tbh some people do play like early on, and I am very guilty of this. In 176, he pretty much boils it down to being lack of experience in a previous post, but then makes a snarky comment towards Shin saying thats actually not the case. Again, If its not lack of experience, then why does it feel like hes trying hard to use that as an excuse. Not gonna +1 each and everything. Why is wen one of your scumread? Nothing telling, but she still stated it, and I look at everything. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: wen294 said: Are we reading the same ISO? If you think it's not scummy then tell me this: Where do you see scumhunting? Where do you see him expressing his own opinion? Where do you see him adding anything to the discussion? Where do you seem him putting pressure on somebody? Where do you see any motivation/drive to solve this game? Where did you see him do something to drive the gamestate forward? This game has been going on for 72 hours now and he has yet to do anything even remotely usefull for town. Wait a sec, let me rephrase that: He has yet to even ATTEMPT doing something usefull for town. Because voting for somebody for the sole reason of getting them lynched without caring about the results is not what i consider usefull for town. The observations here are scary, if this is coming from scum I prob wouldn't believe it. This post alone gives me huge town vites. Also gives me good insight on what kind of questions to look for when finding scum intent. Why wouldnt you believe it? You already said scum would go for the weakest town. May that be an attempt to go for an inactive town? But I guess this isnt about wen right now but about Salmon not defending properly, which I am agreeing with. |
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aa-dono said: Yay~ I can safely say I've read everything except Wisp's long wall. I'll come back to that later. It hurts my eye just to look at it right now ^^" Haters will hate, I think I made it nice and neat, my OCD doesnt allow me to do anything otherwise. |
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aa-dono said: Better yet, do you think I am a better lynch then Red. I want to hear your opinion on me. I still am undecided on red right now, havent looked at the post that roy told me to look at yet.Honestly the way you're asking him stuff feels more like you're scumreading him still. It doesn't sound like the kind of tone you give to someone you'd townread. It feels like you doubt he actually have a good read and you're waiting on it. From this, I have a townlean on you. Testing reads is not something scum need to do. But I have reservations since you retracted your vote from him last phase and you don't seem to mention a scumread on him this phase. So, how did you decide Red was a better lynch than Wisp? Edit: Welp I fucked up again, thought the post that lucian wanted me to look at was to see if red was scum but it was actually Ironace, lol. Reading it now btw. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: The only paranioa I saw was the people who voted for red salmon during the morning instead of coming to a consensus early. Im a strong believer that mafia dont tend to start trains. What I saw was Lucian believing that he could get a lynch off Red because he didnt think enough people would vote for me and posted reasons why he believed this, and others followed along side him.Gwendolly said: The whole of page 8 is a mess. I feel like lucian was nit-picking salmons words in sort of a desperation for a lynch. I really dont see anything strange on salmon right now, I do get where y'all coming from but like I said this is really nit-picking and it may have been legitimate for a first lynch. Interesting that Shinichi and ironace indeed had no doubts on that weak accusation and just simply agreeing with lucian. Do you guys believe you'll get more answers seeing salmon flip than lucian or LW? Albertinos vote looked like a vote of desperation too, so for now he's clear for me too. Pyro just seemed to be straight sheeping lol without even knowing his real reason for voting (#394) #539 @ironace "Its safe to say that people like me and abu are easier pickings that can be rid of later in the game.Even inactives are easier targets for later game." Imagine the inactives are indeed scum; the game would be awfully slow and easy to control by them. Should actually avoid that and poke everyone here or they should just die already! Also did you just admit that you'll be inactive in the future too? And I dont see your reasons for voting salmon, if you think Suzune was onto something or even lucian. It seems you are working yourself around them but not getting to the actual problem. aa-dono: Seems to mention stuff that has already been mentioned, but she seems to be analyzing individually and not following others by bringing fresh wind into this case and looking at it from another view. I like what she has to say so far. So neutral. wen: Seems to be staying and pushing on the salmon case #546. #553 yet you think its wasteful going back to him. Has interesting stuff to say but seems more NAI than actual commitment. Haven't read everything what you had to say, so Imma see later. kay I'm stopping on page 12...taking a break xD so far my list and oppinion: town: suzune neutral: wen, lucian (based on LWs flip), zymf, aa-dono, salmon, suzaku, sleip, albertino slightly scummy: ironace, pyro, abu, lw, shinichi Due to former experiences I never view someone as fully town or scum. I wouldnt mind a lw or lucian lynch today edit: NAI Man, I thought I was paranoid lol, Lucian and desperate are two things I never expected to see together if they're present he's town. Really so your ok with him being nitpicky but you don't like Lucian doing it? Most if not all reads/accusations will be weak on day 1, doesn't mean they can't be true. Any lynch at this point would provide answers, if lucian is town we would lose a huge asset just to get some answers I don't like those odds. I can't say much on Albert because the way he organizes his posts are very hard to read. Only time a desperation vote should sometimes be a town clear is when you do it to save yourself at EOD. Can't say much about pyro actions cause hes quite experienced. May I ask what is the actual problem you speak of? Also even if they're easy pickings like Iron said I would still lynch them aslong as they aren't like town. I disagree that inactives should just die, because a town can also be inactive. Your little read on dono makes me think you should be town reading her not getting a neutral read. Wen wants us to keep our focus open instead of everyone just being on 1 more which should be a town tell. You should ISO Lucian, so I can see what your seeing. Edit: To Clarify: Roy posted reasons why he believed that Red would be a good vote also, not why I wasnt. |
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lastwhisper31 said: I don't think I focused on you at all~ :/So imo she comes back from her hiatus and instead of bringing any new info just seems to focus on me and doesn't directly state any of her leans lastwhisper31 said: Wasn't common sense for me when I started out. I'm probably dumb >,>For clarity I will bold all aa-dono's comments, and discuss what I think about each right under them: #42 - It's hard to see Wisp as a new player with this kind of post. I mean isnt this just common sense? Confident scum will try to lead the game early if possible. One thing to note that is that if said lynchee flips town, you should look at the reasoning behind the first vote, and if its obvious that there must be scum on the train, then its also good to note that other scum my hide in the middle of the train, because the end and start tend to be an off put for scum because those areas are both checked. I cant say if that holds complete truth for town flips, but if someone flips scum, its more possible that scum are towards the middle of a train, if like I said its obvious that there must be scum on the train. lastwhisper31 said: Tbh, I thought I would sound more similar to Suzune's reasoning since her posts were the ones I nodded to while I was reading.#93 - At this point, I still don't know where is Wisp standing with his reads. Feels like he's just pretending to look be doing something :/ Scummy Its funny I feel as if your trying to look like you've come to your own consensus on what to label me as, but idk why it still kinda feels like your sheeping off of what Gwen started. and wtf does that even mean, I am always doing something. lastwhisper31 said: Your initial posts were more commentaries than actual trying out to solve kind of post. If you actually see that as an attempt to make everyone see you scum, then you're either missing the point or just overly defensive in nature.#99 - Points out that he doesn't get Sleip's POV but there was no question directed to anyone to understand where they're coming from. Lack of gamesolving attempt. Scummy. What was there to ask, this most likely came from a past game experience, and it's not like I didnt also sympathize with his thinking as well. I played more of the devil's advocate there, not gunna lie there. and wtf is with this lack of game solving bs... and those scummy posts at the end seem like a sad attempt to get everyone to keep on me instead of looking for other possible scum. Gwen was so focused on seeing me scum that after she saw that "definitely" everything to her came off as scum, its all slightly biased thought hidden behind little reasoning, that I kinda see you playing off of. lastwhisper31 said: I'm too lazy to argue on something we're both agreeing on.- So he thinks Sleip's vote is extreme. Ya, Lucian made like two posts, and he wrote up this whole theory on scum controling the votes. And if you want where I stand on Sleip, then Ill say more of a town lean, because I dont feel that scum would put so much attention on themselves so early on, but also theres the fact that he hasnt been as active day 2, and hasnt really come back on if he still believes Lucian is scum leading the town (I may be mistaken) lastwhisper31 said: It's mentioned once in my little catch up. How is that an emphasis? Anyway, it's explained in the same post. Because it's a red flag. I don't put much stock in it these days but doesn't mean I would dismiss it.#51 - I think speculating about TPR before there's any evidence or indication that it exists is distracting. This used to be a red flag to me, but I've learnt that town does this too. So eh. I think we all got pretty confused early on about tpr and not, and really havent brought it up again, we all came to a decision that their is no tpr, so why put emphasis on this. Not that. It's the fact that it's page two and he's making an effort to move the game. Instead of backing down and said, "oh just something something" resulting in the discussion dying down, he went ahead with it anyway. I see that as town effort. lastwhisper31 said: This wasn't about you ==#193 - This feels like it completely dodged Gwen's question about townreading me. I don't see how he's dodging anything. Gwen question was 'the need to have reads'. She didn't say it was esp about you. I stand corrected. How do you know this though? Does 'weird' translate into 'scummy', or does it not warrant a vote? I like this question. Not gunna lie, I didnt really think much about what Gwen specifically wanted to hear, I just kinda gave the answer I felt was needed. I didnt realize she wanted me to focus more on why I town read Lucian, but if anything my early town read can be see as just as crazy as Sleips crazy scum read. My point was that, Sleip may read Lucian as scum from those early posts, and I chimed in and said that I saw it as Town indicative. "Definitely" wasn't the best choice of word in that situation I agree though. This was tagged for Lucian. lastwhisper31 said: Nothing from before that.#168 - I agree on Sleip. Not so much on Wisp. I don't see the pro-town part of it. Still feel like you focusing more on how theres almost no chance I'm town, is there nothing you saw that reads as town. Even in my psychopass game I had a nice balance of hate and love. Do you have any knew info at all? lastwhisper31 said: Should just die regardless. Only very slightly kiddingShin - ??? At that point, I wasn't reading him either way. Recently he's getting scummier to me. lastwhisper31 said: I can understand how he gets to the conclusion that he did.Alberto - "Ok in my book" idk why though |
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This wasn't about you == Ya I accidently bolded what Roy said a long side your answer to it. oops and also Chad's...lol. My statement still stands though, I was answering again my reasoning for my town read on Lucian.This was tagged for Lucian. Edit: You actually were defended me there, and I thank you for that. |
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lastwhisper31 said: Oh boy. I don't hate your wall.aa-dono said: Yay~ I can safely say I've read everything except Wisp's long wall. I'll come back to that later. It hurts my eye just to look at it right now ^^" Haters will hate, I think I made it nice and neat, my OCD doesnt allow me to do anything otherwise. I have to translate them. Lucian's post is easy to read because he put each sentence on a separate line. I can read each line and breathe. And get resume to the next line. You made it into a paragraph of this continuous words. If I stop anywhere in the middle, I have to use energy to go back and find where I stop, translate the sentence in my head, then work on understanding what you're saying, then find where I stop again. That's all. I'll try to read things chronologically if it makes you this salty. |
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aa-dono said: lastwhisper31 said: Oh boy. I don't hate your wall.Haters will hate, I think I made it nice and neat, my OCD doesnt allow me to do anything otherwise. I have to translate them. Lucian's post is easy to read because he put each sentence on a separate line. I can read each line and breathe. And get resume to the next line. You made it into a paragraph of this continuous words. If I stop anywhere in the middle, I have to use energy to go back and find where I stop, translate the sentence in my head, then work on understanding what you're saying, then find where I stop again. That's all. I'll try to read things chronologically if it makes you this salty. Ahh I forgot English isnt your first language, Sorry :(. Can say I dont know the struggles of trying to translate something in your head then answering especially when I do tend to make a lot of run on sentences. Edit: Also it was more of a joke lol, I just worked really hard on it, and you said you didnt want to read it, and Gwen stated that it looked like I had a helper like im some child :/ |
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aa-dono said: @lastwhisper31 Mr. OCD, you missed one question. :PWhy is wen one of your scumread? |
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aa-dono said: aa-dono said: @lastwhisper31 Mr. OCD, you missed one question. :PWhy is wen one of your scumread? What that a question towards me and lol. Edit: Found it lol |
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lastwhisper31 said: Yes x)aa-dono said: @lastwhisper31 Mr. OCD, you missed one question. :P What that a question towards me and lol. |
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| @Gwendolly Why is Pyro in your scum list? |
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If you are referring to my post that there's a 40% chance that one of these 4 is scum. I made that list as if they were all separate entities and that their flips would say nothing of each other or their possible alignments. and Wen is probably my biggest town lean on the list, I just felt like she was trying way to hard to push on abu because imo, which i stated, I believed that most if not all abu's posts could be seen as nai. |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
lastwhisper31 said: I was gonna say not scum but the fact that your tone went cheery and light the moment you realized I wasn't actually scumreading you is geh.aa-dono said: Better yet, do you think I am a better lynch then Red. I want to hear your opinion on me. I still am undecided on red right now, havent looked at the post that roy told me to look at yet.Honestly the way you're asking him stuff feels more like you're scumreading him still. It doesn't sound like the kind of tone you give to someone you'd townread. It feels like you doubt he actually have a good read and you're waiting on it. From this, I have a townlean on you. Testing reads is not something scum need to do. But I have reservations since you retracted your vote from him last phase and you don't seem to mention a scumread on him this phase. So, how did you decide Red was a better lynch than Wisp? Edit: Welp I fucked up again, thought the post that lucian wanted me to look at was to see if red was scum but it was actually Ironace, lol. Reading it now btw. Not someone I would be okay to lynch this phase though. What do you think of Shin? |
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| @aa-dono @Suzune-Chan @ironace @AlbertinoDias @Togs @Gwendolly @lastwhisper31 @AbuHumaid @Sleipnirr @Wen294 @The_Pyromaani @Red_Salmon @Shinichi-Kun @LucianRoy @Zymf As I make this post it is 12:30 est in the morning or 00:30 est and the phase change will be 9 hours and 30 mins away at 10:00 am eastern time. |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
| @Grapefruit21, Vote count when you're available please! |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
| @LucianRoy Idk about everyone else, but I like the Lucian I'm seeing in his most recent posts. If you believe these posts come from a scum, then fight me. Also gunna post my thoughts on Ironace soon. |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
lastwhisper31 said: Edit: Also it was more of a joke lol, I just worked really hard on it, and you said you didnt want to read it, and Gwen stated that it looked like I had a helper like im some child :/ LMFAO, I laughed harder than I should have x'D Hahaha I'm sorry if you wrote that by yourself okay!? I'm in the middle of reading it btw and it does sound more like you. My pet offer still stands tho. lastwhisper31 said: When did you learn that?So this will be my counter analysis, these are kinda what I like doing the most in mafia games. Plus I learned how to link post numbers and I was really exciting to try it out haha. |
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| Running Decryption algorithm... Vote Count 2.3 available LucianRoy (1): Albertinodias AlberintoDias (2): Zymf, SuzakuTsubasa Red_Salmon (2): ironace, Shinichi-Kun LastWhisper31 (1): Gwendolly AbuHumaid (1): Wen294 ironace (3): LucianRoy, aa-dono, AbuHumaid Not voting (4): Red_Salmon, Sleipnirr, LastWhisper31, The_PyroMaani Time until end of D2 Please alert me with any inaccuracies in the vote count. Should finally be right! @aa-dono @ironace @AlbertinoDias @SuzakuTsubasa @Gwendolly @lastwhisper31 @AbuHumaid @Sleipnirr @Wen294 @The_Pyromaani @Red_Salmon @Shinichi-Kun @LucianRoy @Zymf |
lastwhisper31 said: @aa-dono @Suzune-Chan @ironace @AlbertinoDias @Togs @Gwendolly @lastwhisper31 @AbuHumaid @Sleipnirr @Wen294 @The_Pyromaani @Red_Salmon @Shinichi-Kun @LucianRoy @Zymf As I make this post it is 12:30 est in the morning or 00:30 est and the phase change will be 9 hours and 30 mins away at 10:00 am eastern time. I'll prolly be there for EoD phase. Hopefully (if I dont fall asleep)....because I am pulling an all-nighter...if you havent noticed already... It can be dangerous tho people would want desperately a lynch today so theyd be willing to lynch anybody today, I think. Town gotta be careful and not let themselves get played by mafia. Let's decide on three candidates as Zymf already mentioned. |
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Gwendolly said: Shinichi-Kun said: Hmm? Mafia usually find a weak links in town so they can exploit him/her so they can get them lynched. It may be happening right now Well thats irons own fault, as for salmon where is he? |
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Gwendolly said: Shinichi-Kun said: The observations here are scary, if this is coming from scum I prob wouldn't believe it. This post alone gives me huge town vites. Also gives me good insight on what kind of questions to look for when finding scum intent. Why wouldnt you believe it? You already said scum would go for the weakest town. May that be an attempt to go for an inactive town? But I guess this isnt about wen right now but about Salmon not defending properly, which I am agreeing with. Yes but this post is just too town to be scum, half the player base is go for those weak links they aren't all scum lmfao. And yes salmon just like allowing himself to be lynched, almost like he doesnt wanna risk giving away his buddies tho he could just be sleeping lmfao. |
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Gwendolly said: Shinichi-Kun said: Not even sure because I cant recall what I was replying too, why didnt you quote the link lol. Because it was a long ass post xD uuuhh...it was your response to ironace theories #583 If he is indeed scum then the mafia just tried to save him by letting lucian go free. If he is not scum, then I dont mind lynching lucian the next day. As many have noticed, him doing the most work(and apparently doing the most work out of us) is also kinda bad for town. We ourselves arent using our heads as much as lucian is, because he's mostly thinking for us. Dunno why but i feel the game may be more ...dunno the right word...easy?...if lucian becomes less vocal or posts like zymf as then we all will HAVE to start to think for ourselves. It was in reference to this praragraph by iron |
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| Change vote:Ironace I'll be up in the morning if I have to change my vote again but I go into work 1 hour before phase change so I wont be there. |
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Lucian said: The dude is legitimately scummy. He sheeped me and my vote on Salmon yesterday without question. Salmon moved up to the gray area between neutral and town for me, but they've still done pretty much jack shit in terms of scumhunting, like, what are their reads? Do they even have any reads? Back to Iron, in his 543, he successfully wifoms over the night-kill, and makes up hypotheticals about my alignment and position in the game without giving an actual read on me for anything specific I've said or done the entire game. Finally, and this is the kicker, he says he wants to see a salmon flip because its informative, yet he doesn't give too much insight into what it would be informative for, WITH the exception of my alignment. He then proceeds to line-up a lynch for me in the event Salmon flips town. Did he ask Salmon any questions to actually utilize the 48 hours we have to figure out people's alignments? No, he didn't. Did he bring anything new to the table as to why Slamon is scum that should be lynched? No, he didn't. Is he still sheeping MY reasons for voting Salmon yesterday? Yes, he is. Is all of this scummy? Yes it is. This is the post for reference: 543 Starting off with, I edited Lucian's post to make it more readable, and I won't be saying anything about what Lucian already stated and will be posting my own reads on 543 because I want this read to come from me and only me. Anything after this will be what Ironace stated and my thoughts on it. Ironace said: So I have been thinking for a while, why was suzune specifically targeted?? Its safe to say that people like me and abu are easier pickings that can be rid of later in the game.Even inactives are easier targets for later game. From my pov, wouldnt lucian or gwen or even zymf be better targets?(I will just focus on lucian for now since he was the most vocal) Was she onto something like gwen said? Ill backread a little and see her posts.
But for now, I have a few theories, -suzune was onto something that may have been more important than it seemed and she was quite dangerous. -lucian himself is scum and is directing votes here and there. -or killing lucian would mean that he was onto something and salmon is indeed scum...it can also be the opposite, lucian is far away from the correct reading and the mafia are letting him do as he pleases as it will just hurt town.
My conclusion is that everything is hypotheticals, you didnt play the game, you didnt anaylze, you didnt do, well, anything, just apologized for your inactivity and then went right back to it, maybe because you were ok with the the current outcome of the game. Remember what I said, sheeping in itself is not a 100% scum tell as long as you add you own thoughts behind it, and I think Shin made a good point when saying that when 8 votes are needed many will sheep, but if they dont come up with their own conclusions a long side the sheep then they will just appear as scum like you. |
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Gwendolly said: lastwhisper31 said: Edit: Also it was more of a joke lol, I just worked really hard on it, and you said you didnt want to read it, and Gwen stated that it looked like I had a helper like im some child :/ LMFAO, I laughed harder than I should have x'D Hahaha I'm sorry if you wrote that by yourself okay!? I'm in the middle of reading it btw and it does sound more like you. My pet offer still stands tho. lastwhisper31 said: When did you learn that?So this will be my counter analysis, these are kinda what I like doing the most in mafia games. Plus I learned how to link post numbers and I was really exciting to try it out haha. I had asked chad how everyone gets direct links to posts, like I already knew how to make url posts, just not how to get the url link to a specific post. Edit: It was around 11am eastern before chad left for work, and then I started typing out my counter analysis of Red_Salmons ISO. |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Gwendolly said: lastwhisper31 said: @aa-dono @Suzune-Chan @ironace @AlbertinoDias @Togs @Gwendolly @lastwhisper31 @AbuHumaid @Sleipnirr @Wen294 @The_Pyromaani @Red_Salmon @Shinichi-Kun @LucianRoy @Zymf As I make this post it is 12:30 est in the morning or 00:30 est and the phase change will be 9 hours and 30 mins away at 10:00 am eastern time. I'll prolly be there for EoD phase. Hopefully (if I dont fall asleep)....because I am pulling an all-nighter...if you havent noticed already... It can be dangerous tho people would want desperately a lynch today so theyd be willing to lynch anybody today, I think. Town gotta be careful and not let themselves get played by mafia. Let's decide on three candidates as Zymf already mentioned. That dedication |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Gwendolly said: Why wouldnt you believe it? You already said scum would go for the weakest town. May that be an attempt to go for an inactive town? But I guess this isnt about wen right now but about Salmon not defending properly, which I am agreeing with. Yes but this post is just too town to be scum, half the player base is go for those weak links they aren't all scum lmfao. And yes salmon just like allowing himself to be lynched, almost like he doesnt wanna risk giving away his buddies tho he could just be sleeping lmfao. I mean I was sleeping when everyone just decided to switch votes to Salmon... |
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lastwhisper31 said: Gwendolly said: I'll prolly be there for EoD phase. Hopefully (if I dont fall asleep)....because I am pulling an all-nighter...if you havent noticed already... It can be dangerous tho people would want desperately a lynch today so theyd be willing to lynch anybody today, I think. Town gotta be careful and not let themselves get played by mafia. Let's decide on three candidates as Zymf already mentioned. That dedication No, I'm pulling an all-nighter for other reasons xD I cant even think straight right now...wouldnt sacrifice my sleep for a mafia game lol |
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| I know I havent answered everyones questions yet or further up-dated my thoughts, but I really need to take a break from the screen right now xD I'll be back soon enough. Plus I'd feel like I'll be talking to myself lol |
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Gwendolly said: Im still here lol.I know I havent answered everyones questions yet or further up-dated my thoughts, but I really need to take a break from the screen right now xD I'll be back soon enough. Plus I'd feel like I'll be talking to myself lol Edit: Going to sleep now lol, setting an alarm for 8am est. |
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