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| Will someone please explain to me what happened to Last Order's Vocie? |
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TheMetalOverlord said: Okay, question about Index. Besides her constant biting what makes her the worst character in the show and bad enough to drag the whole series down? OK, I'll try to answer that as best as I can, while not trying to be overly biased: --She's prone to incredible stupidity at inconvenient moments, --When in danger, instead of figuring out a way to save herself or others she depends on Touma (of course this finally changed a little in episode 4, remember I even gave her some credit for finally being useful), but that wasn't the case in season 1. --Her only use outside of plot episodes is to bitch at Touma and whine about being hungry, this is the time where she should be building her likability, instead she just makes more people annoyed at her. --The lack of character development that she possess, unlike Mikoto who we have seen plenty of growth in the way she was at the very beginning and how she is now, Index hasn't changed a bit, she's still annoying, selfish, and immature (basically a child). So in the end it comes down to no character development, very little likability, and playing the "damsel in distress" role, It's not hard to see why so many people have chosen Mikoto over index, I personally believe that if this were a show without index I would think that this series is FAR BETTER than Railgun. |
| Why can't accelerator use his powers in the bath tub? I must be forgetting something |
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alexcampos said: Alright, let me argue some of those points of yours!TheMetalOverlord said: Okay, question about Index. Besides her constant biting what makes her the worst character in the show and bad enough to drag the whole series down? OK, I'll try to answer that as best as I can, while not trying to be overly biased: --She's prone to incredible stupidity at inconvenient moments, --When in danger, instead of figuring out a way to save herself or others she depends on Touma (of course this finally changed a little in episode 4, remember I even gave her some credit for finally being useful), but that wasn't the case in season 1. --Her only use outside of plot episodes is to bitch at Touma and whine about being hungry, this is the time where she should be building her likability, instead she just makes more people annoyed at her. --The lack of character development that she possess, unlike Mikoto who we have seen plenty of growth in the way she was at the very beginning and how she is now, Index hasn't changed a bit, she's still annoying, selfish, and immature (basically a child). So in the end it comes down to no character development, very little likability, and playing the "damsel in distress" role, It's not hard to see why so many people have chosen Mikoto over index, I personally believe that if this were a show without index I would think that this series is FAR BETTER than Railgun. 1st Point: When has this happened? When dealing with magic related things she knows far more information than Touma. When it comes to the advanced technology of Academy City, of course she's not gonna know what to do. Hell, we don't know too much about where she comes from so expecting her to know about everything in Academy City Day 1 is asking alot. 2nd Point: Again, when? Well, I think it would be more along the lines of how many times which also shows how much she doesn't. In the Deep Blood arc, she wanted to take care of the situation herself since it had to do with magic. The Ars Magnas guy put her asleep with his ability so she couldn't do much. The Sisters Arc was science related so Index wasn't needed. She wouldn't make much of a difference in the Angel Fall arc. And we see some of stuff she's capable of in the last arc when she redirects the golems movements. The only time she really asks for Touma is when she's hungry or bored. She's kind of like the little sister type character in comparison to Touma. 3rd Point: I'll mostly give you that one but she's been pretty much established as the little sister type of character as I said in my previous point. But what would you want her to do outside of plot episodes to be more likable anyway? 4th Point: At the moment, I'll give you that one. But we still have a long way to go and Index could change in some ways you won't see coming as we saw in the previous episodes and her ability. Another thing to consider is that we haven't had another arc based around her since the first one while Misaka has had more thanks to her spin-off and the Sisters experiments. So based on your points, you hate Index mostly since she's a little sister type of character and comparison to Touma and only know her for annoying Touma when she's hungry or bored (like how little siblings act towards their older brother/sister at times). You also ignore the fact that she's willing to take on magic related tasks whenever they come up and she's informed about them (like in the Deep Blood arc, Hyouka arc, and the recent Amakusa arc). So, those are my 2 cents on your points. If there's anything I got wrong, do correct me and we'll see what happens from there. |
Okay great Misaka finally showed up but first i like to say about one thing,"howcome last order is not shy about taking bath with accelerator(despite both of them are wearing towel but still)?? I got nothing against it but i thought last order is little bit sensitive to i don't know 'nudity'!? |
MyAmyNov 13, 2010 1:01 AM
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Christhepirate said: Why can't accelerator use his powers in the bath tub? I must be forgetting something Accel was headshot in Last Order Arc by Amai Ao. Now he can use his ability only with connection to Misaka Network (by strange "necklace" on his neck) and he can use it only for 15 minutes, after that he will die. |
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Confucius said: Will someone please explain to me what happened to Last Order's Vocie? I think I saw another seiyuu's name for Last Order. |
tsubasaloverNov 19, 2010 9:00 AM
I ♥ Two Syaorans from Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE and TRC!!! |
| when did mikoto get the new beret? |
| finally biribiri time :) |
| キターーーーξ( ・∀・ )ξーーーーーーー I love this episode!! screenshot Kuroko is my waifu ! |
| ok ep i really not a big fan of Kuroko even i liker her in lesbian mode :P |
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Ksa said: Christhepirate said: Why can't accelerator use his powers in the bath tub? I must be forgetting something Accel was headshot in Last Order Arc by Amai Ao. Now he can use his ability only with connection to Misaka Network (by strange "necklace" on his neck) and he can use it only for 15 minutes, after that he will die. It wasn't explained in the anime yet, so shouldn't this be a spoiler? Also, this was meant to happen, he was WAY too powerful. |
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| People miss the main thing that made this episode so likeable.. Touma barely had any screen time at all^^ =P Also Kuroko really got to show her good sides and shine some, easily the best character (^.^) |
| First Accelerator appearance and it's fanservice? Eheheh.. |
| Best eps of Index II so far Accel comes back yeah and Kuroko action always welcomed |
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| Great episode. It's a fantastic arc, though it looks like we're rushing it. Seriously guys. Do we have to complain about index even during the science arcs? We get half an hour of kuroko, misaka, accellerator, last order, uiharu, and top it off with a naked imouto and we're still finding excuses to complain about index? It's remarkably uncommon for a franchise to have developed an unpleasable fanbase by the second installment but I think that's what we have here. |
viral_hun said: Ksa said: Christhepirate said: Why can't accelerator use his powers in the bath tub? I must be forgetting something Accel was headshot in Last Order Arc by Amai Ao. Now he can use his ability only with connection to Misaka Network (by strange "necklace" on his neck) and he can use it only for 15 minutes, after that he will die. It wasn't explained in the anime yet, so shouldn't this be a spoiler? Also, this was meant to happen, he was WAY too powerful. It was briefly mentioned in this episode. Just not in detail which is why I'm confused as well. Last I remember of him is in a hospital with the doctor saying his brain is messed up... |
| YES, ACCELERATOR, YES! |
| Felt weird that the only good episode yet has had no Touma and Index. It appears that everyone enjoys the episodes with the main characters from the other show; whenever Touma showed up in railgun everyone freaked. =P I am as confused as Kuroko, but i enjoyed the brief battles. I don't recall the tree diagram being destroyed which is the problem. (Good 7/10) |
BlueZomig said: ugh.... worst episode so far, if i wanted to watch Railgun, id watch THAT, this is Index damn it... i don't wanna see anymore of that bitch Kuroko if i have to You don't seem to get that this is actually in the index novel. |
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tsubasalover said: Confucius said: Will someone please explain to me what happened to Last Order's FTFY Voice? I think I saw another seiyuu's name for Last Order. Nope. Still the same one. |
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Day2Dream said: Heaven Canceler(the frog doctor) said he'll use the Misaka network to compensate for the computational and linguistic(?? not sure about this part) skill that Accelerator lost due to the brain damage he sustained in saving Last Order back in s1. Though it wasn't elaborated about how long it can be used and what is the consequence. I just recently watched s1 so I know this. So, yeah, spoiler :|viral_hun said: It wasn't explained in the anime yet, so shouldn't this be a spoiler? Also, this was meant to happen, he was WAY too powerful. It was briefly mentioned in this episode. Just not in detail which is why I'm confused as well. Last I remember of him is in a hospital with the doctor saying his brain is messed up... |
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| Touma in the next episode would be really interesting. Otherwise, it's okay. Would rather watch the magic arcs. |
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| Very good episode about Kuroko and Misaki but most of all about Musujime Awaki. Personally Kuroko's fan service was not as equalized as the one in the famous swimsuit scandal of the Railgun series but in terms of bras/under wears and body exposure we got, quite fine. There was even ass shot of Misaka clone. Accelerator being available to girls from his fan service so I see. Musujime Awaki's power is rather interesting in that it can move objects without her touching them but that sound more like telekineses to me. I did find hard to stomach of how much Kuroko got hurt and bled in terms of her wounds. Finally loved more plot, like Diagram Tree remnants (was it Index who destroyed with her "Dragon Breath" spell?) Shirai_Kuroko said: screenshot You got it all wrong! Pics are good but it was about one shot in this whole episode. Misaka's ass! NFSW |
Yumekichi11Nov 13, 2010 9:15 AM
belatkuro said: Linguistic skill - ability to speak, meaning Misaka network can cut off his speaking ability anytime 'they' want. He's got a battery in this "strange necklace" so it'll cut both, his linguistic skill and ESP powers if battery runs out. Don't remember anything about him dying though. |
| レッツゴー ED イケイケゴーゴー |
Conqueringgodess said: What I don't get is one already hates Index but this one hates Kuroko while I do meh at most of this. Only one who got my attention was Accelerator with his body, I don't know why but that's how it was. Personally seeing the small Misaka was good too.BlueZomig said: You don't seem to get that this is actually in the index novel.ugh.... worst episode so far, if i wanted to watch Railgun, id watch THAT, this is Index damn it... i don't wanna see anymore of that bitch Kuroko if i have to |
| I LIKE, LOVE KUROKO AND I LIKE, HATE EVERYWUN WHO DOESN'T. LIKE SERIOUSLY. |
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| I enjoyed the last magic focused arc, but this one science focused one is shaping up to be really really good. So much hate around whether it be for Index or Kuroko is kinda funny. Index is mostly fine except for the times she should be wearing a muzzle. Kuroko was pretty good here, but no thanks to the fanservice - though the naked drop kick was hilarious. |
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| An intense episode with lots of thing happening. I don't remember everything very well but what the hell i ain't completely lost. Kuroko spotted Misaka's crush on Touma. She's smarter than she looks. Lol at Misaka's comment about taking her clothes off. Kuroko almost had a heart attack. As about magic vs science and staff. Is not about science just being a cooler subject, is more about Index being a stupid childish character that doesn't attract the interest of anyone with anything more than a child's attitude to what is fun. There are some cool characters on the magic side like Kaoru but unfortunately they get very little screen time. alexcampos said: @TheMetalOverlord Lol, The scoreboard I do is not a real measure of how I rate this series, I'm simply trying to emphasize what I like and what I don't like, For example: Index (the character) will always get minus points because she is by far the WORST character in the series, she alone drags this series down, which is sad because if her personality were better, I think more people wouldn't BEG SO MUCH to see Mikoto, Accelarator, and other good characters... Touma, I'm very undecided about him, sometimes I think he's a great character, and then there are episodes where I absolutely HATE him and wish someone else were the main lead... Mikoto Misaka, she will always get PLUS points because she's not only the BEST character, but she's usually not being utterly useless the way index is... Pretty much, spot on. |
| Is there really any difference between index and every other female character that has ever been given any kind of hammer gag? It's not the first time that we've had this. Guy says something stupid, female either pulls a hammer out of nowhere, punches the guy on the top of the head, tells him to sit, or any number of other stupid gags, thus bringing the man to his knees. It's practically a staple of the medium. |
Gangler said: It's not an unpleasable audience, it's more like very vocal idiots. IMO, I only see the same idiots who can't be pleased. For example, Railgun idiots who will drum on and on about magic and Index sucking, and Index idiots who just go on and on about Science being too full of Kuroko and Uiharu (and they would complain of Saten if Index had more appearances of her too). It's like the vocal idiots took sides, even though both Magic and Science are part of the series. The whole motto back in season 1 was the "When magic and science meet..." phrase.Great episode. It's a fantastic arc, though it looks like we're rushing it. Seriously guys. Do we have to complain about index even during the science arcs? We get half an hour of kuroko, misaka, accellerator, last order, uiharu, and top it off with a naked imouto and we're still finding excuses to complain about index? It's remarkably uncommon for a franchise to have developed an unpleasable fanbase by the second installment but I think that's what we have here. Oh, I might also add that Mikoto is hardly perfect. She is a tsundere, and quite the staple tsundere she is. So far there's no real reason for her stupid tsun tsun tirades (and plenty of reason for her to fall for Touma). I can only paraphrase Touma and wonder how bloodsthirsty is she? I mean, she basically wants to fight him just because he has tried to be a good guy and can survive her Railgun attack? Talk about stereotypical tsundere. And last part, the other teleporter's ability is clearly teleportation. She's not moving things along a straight line or anything, she's clearly having one thing dissapear and pop somewhere else, exactly the way Kuroko does it, except for the fact Kuroko can only move objects she's contacting physically while the other girl is basically one-upping her in the fact she's not limited to such a close distance. She has to have some limits though (and the fact she doesn't teleport herself might be a clue). |
Leon-GunNov 13, 2010 11:29 AM
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| Could anyone possibly explain why the hell does the other tele-girl mention the name Shirazumi Lio from Kara no Kyoukai at 11:39? I don't think that I misheard it or something, and I didn't find any explanation or meaning for Shirazumi, but even if I found, wouldn't the part Lio be a bit too much of a coincidence? I just don't get it, what's goin' on here? Anyone knows? |
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| One week is very long for me, i have see in action is indescribale, waiting Kakine too but this history worth the wait |
Gangler said: Is there really any difference between index and every other female character that has ever been given any kind of hammer gag? It's not the first time that we've had this. Guy says something stupid, female either pulls a hammer out of nowhere, punches the guy on the top of the head, tells him to sit, or any number of other stupid gags, thus bringing the man to his knees. It's practically a staple of the medium. What show are you watching? This ain't Naruto. |
| Did I say anything about naruto? I haven't watched it in years but if I recall they don't even use the gag I was referring to. People were complaining about index's biting and I was saying that it was a bit of an odd complaint. |
Monad said: Actually, regardless of how more serious and mature the shows tries to be, it is shounen. Yeah, just like Naruto.Gangler said: Is there really any difference between index and every other female character that has ever been given any kind of hammer gag? It's not the first time that we've had this. Guy says something stupid, female either pulls a hammer out of nowhere, punches the guy on the top of the head, tells him to sit, or any number of other stupid gags, thus bringing the man to his knees. It's practically a staple of the medium. What show are you watching? This ain't Naruto. |
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Gangler said: Did I say anything about naruto? I haven't watched it in years but if I recall they don't even use the gag I was referring to. People were complaining about index's biting and I was saying that it was a bit of an odd complaint. Actually the gag you are referring to is exactly the style of Naruto and that is why i mentioned it. Naruto is a classic idiot saying or doing stupid things and then Sakura hits him on the head to stop. And imagine most people hate Sakura even though that guy deserves every punch she gives him. This gag doesn't exist in this show. Touma isn't behaving like a stupid idiotic boy and Index doesn't try to play the more mature girl by hitting or biting the idiot so he can stop being stupid. Index simply combines both roles into one, the role of the idiot and the role of the one biting and hitting. Touma is just simply there. So you can imagine how Index is even worse. |
Leon-Gun said: ]It's not an unpleasable audience, it's more like very vocal idiots. IMO, I only see the same idiots who can't be pleased. For example, Railgun idiots who will drum on and on about magic and Index sucking, and Index idiots who just go on and on about Science being too full of Kuroko and Uiharu (and they would complain of Saten if Index had more appearances of her too). It's like the vocal idiots took sides, even though both Magic and Science are part of the series. The whole motto back in season 1 was the "When magic and science meet..." phrase. So what do you want us to do, NOT voice our opinions... If this show has so much division, it's because they created TWO very distinct and opposite sides in which people have very clearly chosen a side instead of being with both. I don't find a problem with people saying that index sucks or railgun sucks or any other complaints, that's HOW EVERY ANIME IS. Even big anime that is rated very high (for example Code Geass or Death Note) had complainers and people who wouldn't stop voicing their grievances about those shows. |
| Wanna see more Touma + Railgun + Accelerator! |
| The story in this ep is something I like. I can't wait for part2 :) |
"My happiness comes from the kindness of those around me" |
Monad said: Okay, so I guess naruto uses it then. Even so they hardly invented it. The gag predates that show by ages. Even if you say touma isn't being stupid most of the time the trigger event is touma being oblivious to Index's feelings to the principle still applies. When it is due to forces beyond his control then this is also not unprecedented. There is some stuff that even if you don't enjoy it, you have to accept that it will be there, seeing as it has been there for a good thirty of fourty years. Panty shots and bloody noses aren't going anywhere either, nor are battle robots. Noble but remarkably unintelligent lead males, weak and needy damsels in distress, these are things that will continue to appear in our shows for a great many years to come. This gag can fit in this category as well.Gangler said: Did I say anything about naruto? I haven't watched it in years but if I recall they don't even use the gag I was referring to. People were complaining about index's biting and I was saying that it was a bit of an odd complaint. Actually the gag you are referring to is exactly the style of Naruto and that is why i mentioned it. Naruto is a classic idiot saying or doing stupid things and then Sakura hits him on the head to stop. And imagine most people hate Sakura even though that guy deserves every punch she gives him. This gag doesn't exist in this show. Touma isn't behaving like a stupid idiotic boy and Index doesn't try to play the more mature girl by hitting or biting the idiot so he can stop being stupid. Index simply combines both roles into one, the role of the idiot and the role of the one biting and hitting. Touma is just simply there. So you can imagine how Index is even worse. |
alexcampos said: That doesn't make them any less annoying. Also, thanks for reminding me of the thousands of "TRAINWRECK !!!" posts you'd find in EVERY SINGLE THREAD of Code Geass. It certainly was enjoyable to read those threads. Even big anime that is rated very high (for example Code Geass or Death Note) had complainers and people who wouldn't stop voicing their grievances about those shows. BTW, Gangler didn't claim Index was the mature one. In fact, he knows Index has the "little sister" role, similar to Last Order in fact. But there's a very common trend in anime that one character will say something that the other character gets mad at, and the other character will hit them/bite them/yell at them/etc. That's all it meant. This staple of anime is not reserved exclusively by tsunderes or mature/intelligent characters you know. In Index case, she gets mad at Touma because Touma takes life in stride, which of course means Index gets ignored a lot. Since she obviously doesn't have much to do since she's not a student nor assigned any special role in the church (well, besides safe-kepping the grimoires) she expects Touma to keep her entertained, or feed her. She just acts like a spoiled little sister, that's all. If you hate spoiled imoutos, like Kirino, then you won't like her, duh. |
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Eiko said: and YES, MISAKA MISAKA :3, YES!YES, ACCELERATOR, YES! |
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| Misaka's ass! Followed by MISAKA's ass! |
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| Don't forget. Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you. As long as you remember her, you are not alone. |
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