Charlotte Episode 9 Discussion

LightBladeNova said:
@Lollo36, I thought you acknowledged on the episode 8 discussion page or something that Yuu recovered too quickly...

Yuu_vi_Britannia said:


Guy you have to stop the drugs you'll end up turning into a monster.
I not doubt nothing you believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny.
You have to seek a better excuse
There are only two ways to guess what another person will do.
1- She came from the future, and she knew what was going to happen.
2- His skill is premonition.
you is a joke.

Guy you think your character is a God, even after spending all anime, lying, cheating and using the other. The yes and all she did was follow the teachings and commands of his master Shun.

You believed in ridiculous conversation of the pet bitch of Shun, who convinced users to stop of use their skills and for this reason they did not need to come to your school.

LightBladeNova said:
@Lollo36, I guess we can just leave it at that then yeah. At least we can both understand the other person's side.

As for your discussion on Sala, I actually agree with all of that lol. The thing is that for my argument, showing Yuu's continuing struggle better in episode 8, like you and I want, also would've had the advantage of making his change from episode 7 feel less jarring. In other words, your point about episode 8 not adequately showing Yuu's depression ties in directly with my complaints about episode 7. Obviously Yuu had to revamp his life eventually; it's just that episode 8 didn't do a good job with showing us that he still had some enduring conflict, and that he still needed time to recover. So on this, I think we can agree?

I am still irritated though by the lack of a more realistic portrayal of depression treatment, namely therapy, medication, and an ongoing internal struggle (and other helpful things like exercise and lifestyle changes).

bittersweetlove said:
Wow! What a plost twist, I did not see it coming...so they were living in a new world created by Yuu's brother and they will try to save Ayumi again!

LightBladeNova said:
I am still irritated though by the lack of a more realistic portrayal of depression treatment, namely therapy, medication, and an ongoing internal struggle (and other helpful things like exercise and lifestyle changes).

Yuu_vi_Britannia said:

perfect

SoManyRainbows said:

I don't think she's the villain, or Shun, but who knows? I'm just going to wait and see what happens.
But I like Nao, sometimes she's cute. And Nao x Yuu couple are cute, too.

Katsuruka said:


I don't think that either Nao or Shunsuke are actually villainous either. I suspect that Shunsuke's intentions are good but that his methods for achieving a positive outcome might seem harsh.

Tbh, I was actually disappointed when Nao trotted up to Shunsuke like a child or an obedient dog hoping for praise and a pat on the head (and getting it). In retrospect, it's not entirely surprising that she would be carrying out Shunsuke's orders, but after seeing her being so determined, strong, feisty and generally fairly dominant, it just felt... uncomfortable, seeing her behave like that and realising that we've currently got no way of knowing what she did of her own volition and what she did because Shunsuke asked her to.

I'd just be very surprised if Maeda wrote one of the main characters as an actual villain.

potatohun said:
I'm looking for that Steins;Gate x Charlotte picture.
Help.

SoManyRainbows said:


This one?

Yuu_vi_Britannia said:
Also this is an anime-Key, will probably received a Visual Novel.
knows that success in sales of the Visual Novels, is related to purity of Heroin and in his interest only by the MC.
Most of the sales of the Visual novels, comes by Japanese otaku (people who break DVD, besides rip and per fire in the images of his heroines, when they discover that their beloved heroine is a dirty girl, that she been used, she is impure and not virgin or that she has an interest in other man other than MC. The MC is the character in which they make self-insertion to get close to his beloved heroine, without mention the hatred to the discover that just were chosen by rebound and were only the second option). (It is rare to have a visual novel in recent years, that after you have chosen the route of one of the heroines, the other heroines end up with the other man, the other heroines always end up alone, they do it to satisfy and avoid irritation of otakus and not hurt sales).
You can be sure that if this were to occur in the anime, they will be forced to change the heroine in Visual Novel, otherwise it would be a sales failure, which would result in an injury to the company.
not to mention that we only have two heroines in charlotte, ie only two routes.

Katsuruka said:


Spoiler for episode 7 related burble, not because it's spoiler-ish, but because it's a bit off-topic for the current episode.
[spoiler]How familiar are you with psychoactive drugs, their risks and Japan's legal stance on prescribing them to 16 year olds? I'll admit I know nothing about Japan's stance on such things, but as the offspring of two pharmacists, I do know a little about why psychoactive drugs should not be prescribed unless absolutely necessary. These include a whole host of unwanted potential side effects, both physical and psychological, and if we add tranquilisers into the mix, potential addiction.

There's a huge difference between being depressed and suffering from one of the illnesses that file under depression. What Yuu was going through in episode 7 was anguish, rage and a whole host of other negative emotions relating to grief and the trauma of losing someone so suddenly like that. He'd gotten himself on a massive downward spiral, but this was a result of intense grief and not knowing how to cope with it.

Sure, bereavement counselling would have been theoretically a good idea, but I can't realistically imagine Yuu would have agreed to that in the state of mind he was in at that time. Also, a therapist would have been unlikely to have hit the nail on the head (as it were) as effectively as Nao did with the omurice and pizza sauce. (I assume that Maeda intended the omurice scene to deliver the feels and also that he probably intended to increase Yuu's attachment to Nao with this scene.)

Given that there's only 13 episodes in this series, I imagine that trying to insert something like bereavement counselling and/or support groups would have had to be done in a blink-and-you-miss it passing reference (eg Yuu announcing he was off to his support group) or it would have temporarily derailed the plot and/or ended up being dull and filler-ish and would have squished the plot content into an even smaller amount of airtime.

I'm sure the whole thing could have been done better, though, and I really don't understand why Charlotte isn't a 2-cour. Having 24 episodes to play with would have surely made for smoother transitions in many ways and places.

Yuu_vi_Britannia said:

I don’t like how Nao is treating Yuu in compared to Shun after helping her brother come back his senses with the help of Sala, she treats him rather coldly.
Also even when she thanked Yuu at the end of episode 8, she was on her back, as well as the other scenes where she was on the phone.
When Nao thanked the Yuu because he helped his brother, the anime hid their expressions and their reactions, and showed us a scene where she appears of coast, probably for some reason, when the most common would be showing their reaction and expression for what happened, your face of gratitude, their expressions and reactions to the Yuu and for what he did. As it happened during the episode 9, in scene when she found her master Shun.
On the other hand the scene I was hoping to happen in episode 8, eventually occurring in episode 9, where the anime was keen to show us a scene wherein we saw the their expressions and reactions as well as your face of gratitude and happiness and their expressions and reactions to the his master, Shun.



I would not be so kind as you.
He could even forgive her, but Yuu should just finish the anime alone or dying by sacrificing Himself, than finish the anime if pairing romantically with such a person.
from what I've read on forums, websites, blogs and social networks of the Japanese side, this seems to be the opnion of most Japanese.
.

Yuu_vi_Britannia said:
Do you think that the Japanese and otakus, would accept peacefully and happy if they found out that Kanade or Yurippe were interested in other man, that it not Otonashi?

Yuu_vi_Britannia said:
that's just the opinion of Westerners.
It was unanimous in Japan that Yurippe was the best girl and the best pairing for Otonashi.
And the route Yurippe, is preferred by the Japanese.
Not to mention the large amount of doujins, fanarts and manga-hentais between Yurippe x Otonashi.

Yuu_vi_Britannia said:


you should read
Katsuruka - Here we have a beautiful view on this.

Yuu_vi_Britannia said:


HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
only in Western forums.
where we find waifufag of your level.
who likes to kuuderes no breasts and sluts bitches no breasts as Nao.
The first thing the Japanese, comment on a 2d girl are her breasts.
You're taking the MAL evaluation system very seriously.
Yurippe was the only character of AB,
that appeared in searches of Newtype and Animedia magazines.
For example, none character of Hibike! Euphonium appeared on any popularity research of the two most popular magazines about anime of Japan.

LightBladeNova said:
^Let's tone it down now, people...

darboux said:
hm why people dissapointed or dislike the way nao acted towards shun.

We talking about a teenage girl that went through hell and Shun helped her get up on her feet,helped her brother,gave her something to do in her life etc etc all these stuff.
Wouldnt it be weird if she just met her saviour after long time and she acted like she does with other people?I find it normal and expected kinda.

LightBladeNova said:


It's because, as Katsuruka said, "Nao trotted up to Shunsuke like a child or an obedient dog hoping for praise and a pat on the head (and getting it)."

Showing appreciation for someone is one thing, but behaving in such a subservient manner seems uncharacteristic of Nao, who we'd thought of as assertive, determined, and leading, from all the previous episodes.

darboux said:


well i guess you got a point but still that guy is like a teacher to her (and she prolly has some sort of crush or extreme admiration towards him) so i dont see it as sth weird or dissapointing.

No matter how determined/assertive/leading she is,she is still a teenager(yes a kid actually) and that guy is the one that helped pull through.Maybe she just has a soft spot for him or the pat in the head is sth he did from way before when he was helping her.(human not 1 dimensional.I seen many people that are normally cold and show no emotion and barely talk yet when they are with people they trust or admire/love behave the complete opposite)

About the obedient child/dog well maybe you can see it that way too,but for me how it was portrayed its not so negative i think.

LightBladeNova said:


Yes, you make a good point, and you may actually be right. We'd have to keep watching more of the show to understand Nao better and her relationship with Shun, because at this point, I don't really think we can say we truly know her yet.

It's just that Nao's behavior here was uncomfortable to watch nonetheless, as some of us felt disappointed at the sudden subservience. Even Yuu noted how weird Nao was acting, I believe (he was thinking "What is this...?"). It also doesn't help that Shun seemed kinda suspicious, so the whole reunion scene felt kinda... fake.

Yuu_vi_Britannia said:
the same blind faith that has Tomori by shun is the same blind faith that their fanboy has by Tomori.
something very similar to that presented by slainefag and suzakufag.

It must be why the message more posted on social networks in any image of MC after the episode display 9 is: 友利に裏切られたショックから立ち直れない and the like.

Yuu_vi_Britannia said:

I have to ask you this:

Do you really believe that, after spending 8 and a half episodes developing the only relationship in the series that isn't completely superficial (besides Yuu and Ayu, maybe), after bothering to set up Nao as the cause of Yuu's character development (he states this directly), as the one who helps Yuu in his lowest moments, after spending so much time showing those two together, and establishing their chemistry...
...after all of this, do you really believe that they're just going to pull an "I did everything because of Shun and I don't give a shit about you" twist, completely destroying any meaning that the entire series had up until this point? (I'm not even exaggerating XD)

Yuu_vi_Britannia said:


you paid attention to what you just wrote?
this would be the confirmation of the betrayal route. - (NTR).
It would be one more proof that she just lied, cheated and used the MC.
And everything that she done so far in the anime was motivated by his blind faith in his master Shun, in his teachings and orders.
She has no own will and that does not do anything other than follow the ordes and teachings of his master as a pawn, a pet and a child do.
and do you think such an attitude is cute, called character development.
And that such a person deserves forgiveness and a happy ending.
But following his description, the theme message of anime would be: to lie, deceive and use people, that you will be rewarded for what you did and will have a happy ending.
Yes. Cool huh? the typical the end of Manga-shoujo. o/
''make shit and you'll receive the best.''

he also had never pulled a typical scene of Hentai-NTR.

he also had never made a heroine call the MC of ''you'' throughout the anime. Nao only mentioned the name of the MC only once and that was in episode 4.
will be that you did not understand, that is maeda who is writing the script, Charlotte is the anime that Maeda it has the least interference of third parties in their work.
Writers can change the best example is the of Mitsuo Fukuda.
He always wrote anime mecha.
In his last work, was practically a hentai/yuri. with women as objects of lust, rape, mind broken, NTR, sex slaves, treachery, twists and distortions.

ElectricRed said:
Also, here is another question, what if she lied that she was there the entire time? During the fight scenes, the gangsters only saw Yuu, not Nao and there were more than 10+ members. It could be possible that she asked Pooh for the location of Yuu since his ability is to find espers. Also, another thing.. When her Brother was cured due to Yuu's influence, she sounded like she didn't appreciate on what Yuu had done. She kept saying about her brother and her brother, but when he got cured.. She remains emotionless like really?

Barolb said:



I read some really awesome posts here and on Reddit discussing this... Ok, so I have to disagree, mainly because Nao is stoic. She hasn't cried once throughout any episode, and when confronted with hurtful topics she remains indifferent (episode 2?). Here she gets a taste of a miracle happening, one that she didn't think would happen. You can probably tell from the voice actor, but during the scene where Nao calls Yu, she was very soft-spoken; as if to give the impression of holding back emotions (animation, and scenery aren't the only things people should pay attention to). So, for all we can tell as viewers, she might have been crying before. Showing her back and not her face maintains the perception that Nao is stoic. Showing her reaction gives a sense that she's far more open about her emotions, which is contradictory to how she acts in pretty much every episode previously... At least that is how I perceived it.

In that scene with Yu's brother, that isn't all that different compared to how happy she gets over bentos that heat up when a string is pulled... Although, I wouldn't disregard the likelihood of Nao having a crush on the older brother. But the perception Nao has of Yu's older brother can be, in a way, a similar perspective Yu has of Nao. When Sala mentioned that Yu had met some nice people, he completely disregarded Takajo and Yusa and Misa. In this similar fashion. He thought of only Nao, and probably the main reasons is because she pulled him out of his despair. In comparison, since Nao went through a similar experience, the person that pulled Nao out of hers was Shunsuke. It's kind of obvious that Yu had a crush on her since before episode 6, although whether or not he was aware of it unlikely. Still, I think it's pretty clear how similar they both view their saviors'.

I don't think she treated Yu very coldly after that. Infact, during that episode and a half, they seemed far friendlier than they have in previous episodes. Yu called Nao; Nao called Yu, yet both never call each other as they have no reason to. Why would Nao make Yu come along with her when she was going to purchase a smart phone case? Nao doesn't really socialize in class, and is depicted as being alone when not with other student council members. Also, why would Nao stick by Yu after he passed out in the middle of the concert than enjoy the concert by herself, which seems like a far more "Nao"-thing of her, personality-wise? For all that has been shown, Nao only communicates with people at the bare necessity, which is to perform student council duties. Everything else aside leaves her with being alone, especially with her only remaining (trustworthy) family being hospitalized. Pretty sure that's also why the ending depicts her in all these random places, as well as in episode 8. She's literally doing stuff alone, and whether or not that indicates some sort of sadness can be interpreted differently, especially because we, the audience, cannot see her face in every scene she isn't in school with the rest of the student council members.

Nonetheless, this is all opinionated, but I do believe there is firm ground for hating Nao and liking her. She doesn't particularly care about assaulting people, which likely happened before in the past and she did have similar thoughts as Yu about getting Takajo to jump out a window... But at the same time, in a very creepy way, she stayed with Yu the whole time he was depressed and even when he began to assault people and hurt them. She definitely has her plus and minus points, IMO. Whether or not that makes her likable varies from person to person, I suppose.

darboux said:
Or maybe Nao is like this because she just doesnt really have romantic feelings towards Yuu?

The reason she helped him with his grief to me is obvious because she felt guilty and responsible for his sister's death.

About her brother did the guy got healed or he just calmed down for few moments after hearing the song?(why people say he was healed? ),Also maybe she was like this coz even tho Yuu helped her brother a little she wasnt able to save his sister........''You helped my brother but i couldnt keep your sister safe'' maybe thats why she cant face him or sth like this..

And same towards shun,he just her teacher/mentor/saviour/possible crush etc she is a teenage girl so she acts like this towards him.

Whether she is evil or not depends on her intentions and how much she knew about shun plan (if he indeed is evil)......i think people kinda dissapointed over this because they expected Nao to be coupled with the MC?Or act in a special way towards him only?

blue-y said:
I'm dumbstruck......didn't expect any of that sort of development at all o____O

Don't tell me we're seeing a love triangle between Yu and Nao and Yu's brother... And I wonder if Nao was involved in the "past" (the "dream") too

Lollo36 said:

Whether or not Nao has romantic feelings for yuu, the series isn't going to brush off everything it built up to, for the sake of a """shocking twist""".
...unless it wants to turn into shit or, as others have pointed out, into Guilty Crown.

Katsuruka said:


Although a love triangle isn't impossible, I just don't feel that this is what's on the cards at all. I can imagine Yuu initially leaning towards that interpretation and possibly jealousy only to be very bluntly (and possibly violently!) informed by Nao that this is NOT the case at all. Given Shunsuke's personality as we've seen it so far, though, I wouldn't be surprised if he deliberately encouraged any feelings of jealousy that Yuu might have, just for his own amusement.

I guess I'm just seeing more of a child eager to please and be praised by their favourite parent/teacher/senpai. Nao obviously completely trusts and looks up to Shunsuke. She's obviously grateful to him and seems to strongly believe in him, but... I don't really see any hints of romance between them. If Nao's got those sort of feelings for anyone, I think it's Yuu, much though she wouldn't want to admit it.

I could, of course, be completely wrong. As ahsinam33 says, it's apparently easy to interpret scenes in vastly different ways (as the discussion on this episode shows!). I suspect the ambiguity is entirely intentional on Maeda's part. Personally, I hope the series doesn't take the "love triangle" route - that doesn't appeal at all to me.

Katsuruka said:

As for whether or not Nao is involved in the "past"/other timeline - it's certainly possible that she might not be, or at least that she wouldn't have known Yuu in that timeline. We know that Sala/Zhiend were in that timeline, likewise Yusarin/How-Low-Hello, plus - of course - Ayumi, Shunsuke, Kumagami and the three high-powered ability users. What we don't know at this point is if Takajou, Nao and Kazuki were in that timeline or if Nao met Shun in a different timeline.

darboux said:
@ahsinam33

''Nao obviously completely trusts and looks up to Shunsuke. She's obviously grateful to him and seems to strongly believe in him, but... I don't really see any hints of romance between them. If Nao's got those sort of feelings for anyone, I think it's Yuu, much though she wouldn't want to admit it.''

But why would she have feeling for Yuu? So far in the series there was nothing shown to point that way.

Tbh would rather see this series without romance.Unless at last episodes Maeda actually build their relationship towards that way.Which would prolly again be something rushed imo.

Only reason i can think of Nao having feelings for Yuu is that he is the MC nothing else tbh.

Not every series needs romance would like it if they dont go down that way...