| I agree that Magellan is powerful as hell. I mentioned in another thread that he would be a good choice for one of the two new admirals(assuming there are two new ones) but I never noticed the side-story where he's now the vice warden of impel down. Smoker is vice admiral now, but I wouldn't say he's quite up admiral par. That's just me. You gotta remember, that the admirals also improved during the time-skip, so I doubt the gap is that much closer. As for who is above the admirals, all I can speculate is : Shanks(was equal to old WB who could def beat an admiral 1v1) Kaido (He was stated to be one of the most powerful pirates rivaling shanks) POSSIBLY Mihawk (He often sparred with Shanks but since Shanks lost his arm he doesn't bother, so may even be above Shanks, though Shanks is a master of haki and we're not sure how powerful Mihawk's haki is) and POSSIBLY BB (But like I stated earlier, BB still ran when he heard Akainu was nearby) And I actually think Enel (Or Eneru depending on which translation you read) would be above an admiral. He had beastly mantra haki, possibly the highest we've seen, and possibly the best logia we've seen. I wouldn't put Rayleigh above an admiral, because I think eventually he would lose after a tough battle, but that's just my opinion. Garp probably is above the other admirals but until we really have something for us to solidly compare to (Such as if he would have fought wb a while at the war) then we don't know, just assume. And I assume he can still hang with or beat the other admirals. The other's are pure speculation, such as Dragon, the other Yonkou, and other unknowns. We'll just have to wait and see. But it's fun as hell to discuss. |
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| Certain things to discuss, I think it's pointless to ponder whether "past" Rayliegh or Garp or WB would be able to match up against the current era, especially since we haven't been shown anything particular about them. We have been shown WB, the strongest man, and can therefore assume that Roger stands higher but for the rest, meh. By that thinking then Luffy will never ever surpass Roger, even with us never seeing anything about Roger. Anyway, we can most propably assume that Yonkou>Admirals, otherwise there would be no Yonkou (assuming that the marines would go after them if they were that weak). Also, it has been heavily implied that Mihawk=Shanks in the way that WB=Roger(just like luffydragneel pointed out). Certain things about Enel: He doesn't have armor-haki, so he would stand no chance against admirals. Also , I've read in OPwiki that it wasn't solely his mantra that covered the whole island but that it was reinforced through his DF and was able to pick disturbance on the air(aka Sound) by detecting random EM pulses (not entirely sure if this is valid scientifically speaking but meh, w/e). And one final thing. In one interview Oda was asked what would Enel's bounty be if he were to descend on the world to which replied (and I don't know if he was kidding or not) 500 mil. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| Yeah I remember the 500 mil bounty thing, but that would put his bounty above Law, Kidd, Luffy, Jinbe, Doflamingo, Gekko Moriah, and a lot of others. Ace's is the only bounty higher than that. Obviously bounty doesn't equate to power, but it does give a pretty good idea most of the time. Enel lacking armor-haki does put a big dent in my theory, but it's totally possible he could learn it since he already knows a different type of haki. |
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| Well, by that logic everyone can aquire King's Disp so..unless he does learn it and he shows it to us we can't say. Ace's was higher? I don't know why people say it used to be 550 I think that was fun made and that his actual is 250 Edit:Scratch that, in the characters section it confirms 550 |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Bounties Not sure where they got it from, or if it's entirely accurate, but I was reading that earlier, that's how I knew everyone's bounty off hand. |
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| ^ ah, nice info, thanks! :D |
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| Ahh, and here I thought he simply hadn't decided yet cuz he wasn't sure himself about the limits on said bounties. Good idea to not show us right away (it would make crocodile and all the other shichbukai we were shown in the meantime look like shit). So going by that I guess it means that he has all bounties planned ahead...heh, damn you Oda |
KanicOct 13, 2012 12:46 PM
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| I give up, you all could be right, or not (no way to tell but wait). I at least provided some form of proof, but others just say, "I think" or "No way I can see that happening" due to personal taste, bias and hype. So, peace all. |
-Shuda- said: I give up, you all could be right, or not (no way to tell but wait). I at least provided some form of proof, but others just say, "I think" or "No way I can see that happening" due to personal taste, bias and hype. So, peace all. Don't worry man, your contributions have been welcome. The people who just say agree/disagree are just a waste of space and i'd rather someone disagree with me but post theories rather than having someone agree with me who has nothing. I hope you will post more if you see something worth responding to, but yeah. If there's nothing, then no need to add to the noise/spam. And lastly.. it's not about "winning", or "losing", because like you said, it's all speculation. But it's fun, no? :P Or at least when people actually share their theories, rather than just saying yes/no with no reasoning. I have more to say on this(much more, and especially replies to specific people in this thread), but yeah. I will do it when i have the time and more 'evidence' or more theories, especially as more is revealed about Don Quixote as this arc goes on. Or if i smoke some more of the "green idea-idea fruit"(which gives me the power of creativity and increased intelligence) and have a good idea.. whichever one is first. Because yeah, i agree that just saying "no" or disagreeing just for the hell of it is a waste of time/space, and will put people off the discussion. Also, thank you to everyone else who participated and who is continuing to participate in this discussion. This has been one of the most mature and best threads i've posted in since i've been a member of this website.. i'm surprised, since it's 'shounen'. But that just goes to show that OP fans ARE the best(compared to naruto/bleach and basically every other really popular anime/manga series). Makes me like OP even more! Thanks guys! And at trolls, thank you too for not ruining this thread(or not as much as i expected) :P |
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| i would say that all of the 4 emperors are either equal or a little stronger than the admirals and that at least 1 or 2 crew members will be as well, the reason i say this is because if they are too much for the government to keep under control then they will at least need to have 3 people to match the admirals, thus making it so the government cannot control them. We also seen in marineford marco and jozu fighting admirals, marco is awesome i love him :D Mihawk is a big maybe (he is undoubtedly powerful though) because he used to have daily duels with shanks but this was years ago when he had 2 arms and shanks must have developed trmendously since then, but then mihawk porbably has as well, its hard to say about mihawk. I stand akainu above the others simply because of his ruthless nature, aokiji is fairly kind hearted and may hesitate which could make him lose whereas akainu is just a demon and doesnt care all that much xD we did see kizaru destroy supernovas at sabaody and rayleigh evenly matched him, but this just shows that kizaru is still a powerful force equal to the other admirals, he may not have frozen an ocean or made it rain meteors/lava but he is still far capable of fucking people up :) rayleigh i would imagine can beat an admiral, never seen them all serious though so again it is hard to tell but he seemed to hold him off no problem. In marineford i also remember garp running to akainu and sengoku held him down and said dont let go, because if you do i might kill akainu i think that sort of shows he is powerful even past his prime, i mean we all know that he had numerous fights with the roger and cornered him many times. Ace was the commander of WBs 2nd divios (i think) so i would think he can fight against admirals, he is definitely capable as we seen him and akainu clash. we all know how that ended though, but that wasnt to do with aces physical ability that was his resolve to save :) Dragon i would think can, of course there is no proof at all of this or even a tiny bit of evidence, all i got is him holding smoker off i suppose that proves he has haki (other than the conqueror) and he is the leader of the revolutionary army and we saw how powerful ivankov and kuma were and if they are under dragon i would sassume him stronger, speaking of which ivankov probably stands a very good chance. she was fighting with akainu if i remember correctly and she didnt suffer anything major. Blackbeard is a yonkou now and he has whitebeards power, the government obviously deem him a reasonable force and if he has managed to take all of whitebeards territory and become a yonkou i would imagine he would be able to match up to an admiral, just because he left when akainu was coming doesnt mean he cant win, he was just being sensible i mean fighting an admiral is never a good idea xD his crew as well were imprisoned in level 6 of impel down this shows that they are powerful, although they would be rusty :P it was also the same floor croc was on so im not sure about that. Jimbei managed to escape akainu as far as fighting him goes i dont know if he can win or not. Sorry for bringing up a lot of things already said xD |
| Does anyone else need a doctor to confirm that someone without a head is dead? |
| Oh yeah. I totally forgot about Ivankov. He took on Akainu! And he didn't seem to get any real damage, apart from chaffed lips(which he then discarded or something yeah? lol). He also seems to have the ability to power people up, so that might also be some awesome power.. like he's maybe a 'support' hero/character, even though he can fight too. He was basically like Mihawk level, since he taught Sanji in the timeskip(or his number 2 did, but then that makes him even stronger). Thanks for reminding me Jimbob, i totally forgot about Emporio Ivankov.. haha. He's definitely one of the most scary characters in OP. Especially for Sanji.. hehe. He could even be on the same level as Dragon, or JUST below. He's definitely number 2 in Dragons army. Also Sabo. I think he will make an appearance soon, and he should definitely be powerful too.. like Luffy/Ace powerful. So yeah. And yeah. Pre Time Skip, he was definitely powerful, and i don't think he ever got serious too. It wasn't his fight. Although of course he couldn't of taken them all by himself(all 3 admirals and the whole navy), i don't think that was his goal. His goal was just to not let luffy die i think, and just to report on the happenings of the war, or at least make it beneficial to Dragon(by causing mayhem or something i guess). Also, if Coby is admiral now, that would just be stupid. Noway he has gotten that powerful. Even if he was vice admiral, that would be pretty ridiculous. But i guess i can see that, but i still wouldn't like it. He doesn't deserve it. He shouldn't be that strong after 2 years. The strongest he should be is like Rob Lucci level, and that's THE BEST CASE SCENARIO imho. |
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| It's amazing how our latest posts don't even mention "Doflamingo" XD. Anyway, there are many characters arround and I don't think it's necessary to rank them any further other than how the story itself ranks them. The only thing I support is that Yonkou>Admirals>almost everyone else. Other than that, just like it has been heavily mentioned throughout the series (and it is clear through this conversation) we can't know how two DFs play out with each other(which is the main battle system). |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| @ex0 I totally agree that this has been a great thread to discuss in, so thanks for making it. Although now it has almost nothing to do with the Thread title, lol. One of my favorite things to do is discuss One Piece because it's so unpredictable. Nobody can know for sure how two people would fair against each other, except for Oda. Still I'm not even sure if he would know unless he was writing it, haha. This whole thing has given me a good idea for another thread, basically a BOLD prediction thread. But that's for another time. Iva is powerful no doubt. Idk if she/he/it could hang with an admiral in an all out 1v1 for very long, but I also don't know that she/he/it couldn't. lol Also, @jimbob The point about the yonkou's having two or three crew members above admiral because otherwise the gov would take them down, could be valid, but I also could see another reasoning. If the gov were to focus on one yonkou and take one out, it could cause the other yonkou's to retaliate and go at the gov. I think they have an understanding. Neither side wants major casualties, which is what would result, so I believe they just stay their distance. |
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Shaduge said: since we're not talking about doflamingo, I might as well ask. Can anyone capable beat crocodile just by bleeding a little or did I miss something? For example take sanji with blood on his legs, he would destroy crocodile if he makes contact? If we're talking current sanji, then he could destroy croc anyway because he can use haki. But we don't know if croc has grown any stronger during the skip. At the time, I'm not sure if sanji could have beat croc because it's understood sanji is below luffy, albeit slightly, and luffy had a pretty tough time. That poison might have done sanji in. EDIT: ofc sanji would have had to be bleeding like you mentioned. Plus sanji is smarter than luffy so he would have figured out his weakness quicker. |
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luffydragneel said: Shaduge said: since we're not talking about doflamingo, I might as well ask. Can anyone capable beat crocodile just by bleeding a little or did I miss something? For example take sanji with blood on his legs, he would destroy crocodile if he makes contact? If we're talking current sanji, then he could destroy croc anyway because he can use haki. But we don't know if croc has grown any stronger during the skip. At the time, I'm not sure if sanji could have beat croc because it's understood sanji is below luffy, albeit slightly, and luffy had a pretty tough time. That poison might have done sanji in. EDIT: ofc sanji would have had to be bleeding like you mentioned. Plus sanji is smarter than luffy so he would have figured out his weakness quicker. i forgot about crocodile, he could have grown majorly powerful in 2 years considering he was really powerful anyway and gained some epic crew members :D cant wait to hear about him as hes on of my favorite characters. Smoker now is very powerful i would say he is definitely above vice admiral but not as powerful as admiral yet, but i think he could possibly become one of the new admirals in the future? If coby was an admiral now i wouldnt like that one bit, its way too early for that, i dont doubt that he will fight with luffy one day though, properly. I wish we could have seen more of sengoku, havent really got an idea of how strong he is and i would also imagine that akainu has grown stronger these 2 years as well. the one piece universe will always stand at the top for discussion for me, so damn interesting xD and theres so many characters i lvoe xD doflamingo being pretty much right at the top, cant wait to see his crew arive at punk hazard :) because then we can have more of an idea how powerful he actually is. |
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Shaduge said: I was thinking about how the admirals survived haki attacks from wb division commanders with ease, so crocodile seemed a bit pathetic. One or two haki attacks and he would be done for. Well I think that applies for any logia besides the admirals @jimbob I doubt coby would be an admiral lol, and I doubt we'll see the previous generation in actual combat again, except in flashbacks maybe Well crocodile went to the new world with Mr 1 and i think also with some of the impel down escapees. i think coby will become an admiral but in the far far future, if someone has a dream they usually succeed xD if he doesnt become one or at least someone powerful then him being there is kind of pointless. I think we will still see the older generation, im am sure we will see marco and gang at some point i really hope anyways. i think we will see a few older generation people. yonkou are the previous generation :) shanks big mam and kaidou anyway, and im fairly certain we'll see them, doflamingo is as well. and i really doubt oda would send crocodile to the new world and then never show him again. definitely will be seeing the supernovas again though, its gonna be awesome im pretty sure so im not bothered who we see xD |
jimbob1141Oct 14, 2012 11:46 AM
| Does anyone else need a doctor to confirm that someone without a head is dead? |
Shaduge said: yeah I actually meant really old people like garp, sengoku, tsuru, rayleigh. We'll obviously see more of marco and the others. About coby, I think he'll become admiral when luffy will become pirate king but that's just a thought Ah fair enough, garp and sengoku resigned so i agree there, rayleigh is retired so i agree there to :P I think that after jimbei joins that will be the final crew member, but after they will just make alliances with others when they become really powerful, shanks is a clear ally and the remainder of the whitebeard pirates basically said hes part of their family if he is aces brother ^_^ that was totally off topic, but im having fun xD and the whole thing was totally off topic anyway LOL |
| Does anyone else need a doctor to confirm that someone without a head is dead? |
| Somehow I fear that the WB pirates wil be targeted by BB in order to steal the Diamond and Phoenix powers. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| ^ Yeah if BB can get the phoenix, he'll have a logia, paramecia, and a mythical zoan-type. He'll be invincible. |
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Kanic said: Somehow I fear that the WB pirates wil be targeted by BB in order to steal the Diamond and Phoenix powers. OH FUCK, didnt think of that. dear god no MARCO CANNOT DIE xD couldnt give 2 fucks about jozu though xD blackbeard with phoenix would be weird, totally unsuited hes too much of a fat shit :D and i think it would just look pretty stupid xD |
| Does anyone else need a doctor to confirm that someone without a head is dead? |
| I was under the impression that BB can only steal other powers for himself? |
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| ^ Hm, interesting. |
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| first, Jimbei shouldn't have a hard time against ANY logia, counting admirals in (well, he would have a very had time, but he could fight with them as equals a long time) because his fishman karate enables him to destroy logia/paramecia opponents even without haki. (I think that was said by him to luffy on fishman island arc) second, your underestimating Coby's role in OP. He f*cking succeded in holding off Akainu even for a couple of seconds. As Shanks said, Coby decided the future himself with that in a large way. I doubt he will have such a shallow story going on as to "only" progressing towards his goal as being admiral. I'm srsly thinking Oda could complicate greatly this for him, as he prooved to be able to cast aside his goals for the sake of a better future. third, I'm fairly sure (or atleast I interpreted it like that) that the BB pirates found a way to snatch fruits, not only BB. He just let's say "invented" the procedure, or discovered. By any means, I think BB would be just too happy with Marco's phoenix because that would nullify his 'only" weakness of the yami yami no mi, which is taking double physical dmg than normally. Lastly, I'm still hoping for a WW where one side would be government/enemies of Luffy, the other every crew/island/kingdom that was in any affiliation with the SH like arabasta, drum, remnants of WB pirates, Shanks, sun pirates, etc.) ^^ But then again that would probably be too hard to sketch/draw/fill so that no ones part goes unnoticed.. |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
| i think Coby at the end will defeat Akainu, and will take its place .and luffy the pirate king (ofc after he dies (shiieet, don't even want to imagine this) |
| ^Luffy dying, I can see it. In the same way that Roger did, only that in this case the cause of his disease will be the overusage of Gear 2/3. I think we can consider chopper's concern,during Thriller Barks, as a hint for such a scenario. Then again it may be that Chopper might have figured out a way to cure him, therefore fullfilling his own dream of creating panacea. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| Yeah, I believe the ending of One Piece was decided from the beginning, with Luffy smiling on the execution platform after passing on his hat to some rookie pirate. |
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kiDnameDSkia said: first, Jimbei shouldn't have a hard time against ANY logia, counting admirals in (well, he would have a very had time, but he could fight with them as equals a long time) because his fishman karate enables him to destroy logia/paramecia opponents even without haki. (I think that was said by him to luffy on fishman island arc) second, your underestimating Coby's role in OP. He f*cking succeded in holding off Akainu even for a couple of seconds. As Shanks said, Coby decided the future himself with that in a large way. I doubt he will have such a shallow story going on as to "only" progressing towards his goal as being admiral. I'm srsly thinking Oda could complicate greatly this for him, as he prooved to be able to cast aside his goals for the sake of a better future. third, I'm fairly sure (or atleast I interpreted it like that) that the BB pirates found a way to snatch fruits, not only BB. He just let's say "invented" the procedure, or discovered. By any means, I think BB would be just too happy with Marco's phoenix because that would nullify his 'only" weakness of the yami yami no mi, which is taking double physical dmg than normally. Lastly, I'm still hoping for a WW where one side would be government/enemies of Luffy, the other every crew/island/kingdom that was in any affiliation with the SH like arabasta, drum, remnants of WB pirates, Shanks, sun pirates, etc.) ^^ But then again that would probably be too hard to sketch/draw/fill so that no ones part goes unnoticed.. Yeah i think coby will have a MAJOR role in the later part of one piece, i think that there will possibly be another time skip? i mean he was in the first episode and was luffies first acquaintance and he told him to live his dream and determined him, he also chose to stand in front of akainu (his role is already quite major in doing so) and he awakened to haki and we are now 2 years in the future ahead of when he first discovered he had it. oda wouldnt have him get haki for no reason. And i dont think the ending is going to be as simple as that, at least i hope not. and speaking of the WW being too hard to draw, this is oda he can definitely draw scenes like that. I dont think it would be so long to just have a cliche ending, its going to be great when the will of D and the ponyglyphs and one piece and that all come together and we get proper in depth information on them. we also have characters that we have barely even seen, like dragon/shanks/bigmam/kaidou there is so much potential and i think hes going to execute it brilliantly ^_^ the day luffy fights alongside dragon/shanks i will probably be needing some tissues, if you know what i mean XD |
| Does anyone else need a doctor to confirm that someone without a head is dead? |
| ^ Yea... There's no way he has emperor's haki. luffydragneel said: Yeah, I believe the ending of One Piece was decided from the beginning, with Luffy smiling on the execution platform after passing on his hat to some rookie pirate. I believe Luffy will die, but I doubt it will be by execution. After Rogers death, I didn't think Oda could pull off a bad ass death. Then, he created Whitebeard. I believe Luffys death will be very epic... |
luffydragneel said: Yeah, I believe the ending of One Piece was decided from the beginning, with Luffy smiling on the execution platform after passing on his hat to some rookie pirate. That would be so Epic. In a really sad but great way. I don't want him to die, but if he does- it will be done amazingly well- I can already see me crying when it happens. It would be so amazingly sad- kinda like The Going Merry only a million times worse. Kind of like Ace's execution, only 999,999,999 times worse. LMAO. I'm right now thinking of the opening right before the timeskip, where Ace pushes Luffy forward. It will have that really sad but hopeful atmosphere, aura, tone, and just.... emotional feeling. NOOOOOO LUFFY NO DIEEEEE!!!! :O I have a feeling the series will end magnificently whether Luffy dies or doesn't. I'd say "I can't wait" but in all honesty, I want to see the journey! I wish I could go into a time machine, travel 20 years into the future, read + watch the entire series till it's end (cause 20 years is enough time, right?) and then come back.... AND SPOIL IT FOR EVERYONE!!!! JK but lol, I want to read + watch it all!!! I want it finished already, but I don't want it to be rushed- thus the loooong annoying wait.... :P |
| So now everybody have the HH huh? Its very rare and only those who have the potential to be the king have them. I saw many threads with "___ have HH or not" nowadays -.- Its getting more and more common nowadays, HH i meant |
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| ^ I don't believe anyone has it outside of the ones who have actually showed it so far. Some may have it later, but not now. |
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| It just seems as though everyone has it, but it's stated 1 in a milion aprox. have the kings predisposition...so, obv. those who we hear often and who made a name for themselves should have that since they shouldn't be stupid people like Buggy and actually are worth their bounties. It's nothing uncommon to me that this 1 in a milion are good rookies/yonkou/shicibukai... And think about all the random crowd showed through the series, they count among them 2 |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
| ^ When thinking about it like that I suppose it makes sense. It's kinda like saying 1 in a million people are professional tennis players. It's extremely rare but yet we still see them on tv, etc. I absolutely hate tennis but I still know the names of most of the best players, so I imagine pirates would be the same way. Did I just compare tennis with pirates? Yes I did. Did it make sense? I think it did xD |
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