Did you sign up to donate your organs if something ever happens to you? Or are you selfish enough to keep them even after death?

@Gween_Gween

Wouldn't zero sum thinking be a byproduct of late stage capitalism?

I do believe there is altruism in the world but I'm just very skeptical of systems that claim to be altruistic rather than people. It's like how you should background check charities and such. I also do not view governmental systems as altruistic ever simply because they force participation through taxation which is a separate debate tbh.

SmugSatoko described it better than I could but doctors are very suspiciously quick to declare someone dead and begin the harvest when the person so happens to be an organ donor. It's a sad reality.

How exactly have I "disengaged with compassion"?

@Nette yeah both you and satoko are consequences of the utterly depraved disengagement with compassion going on in america

I have no excuse. It's a moral weakness of mine that I have not volunteered to do that.


Late stage capitalism? We're just getting started. 😎

Also, people who believe in the power of markets tend to believe in positive sum thinking.

Insurance doesn't pay them directly, and organ transplant services do not pay them or anyone at all! I re-iterate, it is a nonprofit! If you want to make doctors selfish, let's at least use the scenario where their hospital gets paid more, which is if this person can have aftercare services, gets discharged, and eventually visits the hospital again for something else.

@Gween_Gween idk really. But if I filtered out anyone that occasionally says absurd stuff, it wouldn't be much of a forum. I'd just reply to @Freshell all the time.

I was joking with the Why Nations Fail institutionophilia but it seems that you are really starting to develop romantic feelings towards those concepts here

@Commit_Crime

Look, I read some of Why Nations Fail before it became cool to do so 😎 We're on "1 Billion Americans", "Abundance" and "Knowledge Capital of Nations" now ;)

This is quite morbid and I'm quite sorry to hear with the family thing, but come now, you aren't living in Honduras, no doctor is that desperate for money they'll risk significant jail time + revocation of their medical license to illegally source your organs to supply uh the mafia I guess.

Sometimes I worry I have a bad theory of mind, because I honestly cannot imagine anyone thinking this. It must be horrible to go about life thinking everyone is out to get you, that there are no checks and balances, every institution is corrupt and everyone an exploiter. And I don't want to come across rude or anything, I am just genuinely kinda sad that this is what you think. You have the social trust appropriate for Haiti while living in (iirc) U.S.

Yeah, as it happens, what is assumed to be best practice on a field, is not always the best practice. There is nonzero mistakes, misconduct, or even fraud by certain researchers, as there is in any profession ever. Guess who brought these cases to attention? Also the medical community at large who studies these and the resarcher's peers. If amyloid beta*56 protein is no longer the main focus in Alzheimer research, or if β-blockers aren't used for non-cardiac surgery (non-cardiac, not cardiac), it's thanks to the medical field's self-corrective mechanism.

No one said believe in everything your doctor says. Getting second opinions are absolutely fair. Just have the minimum amount of trust that they will not harvest your organs while you're under general anesthesia, so that you do actually consult professionals. Nothing you said about rogue doctors gives any credence to that scenario.

Were you wearing your ''I fucking love science'' T-shirt while making this post? If you really think having honor and not viewing humans or animals as interchangeable meat sacks of organs is selfish, that's sad.

Calling everyone who won't do what you do "selfish" , "dumb" or "assholes" and trying to shame them into just converting to your believes is incredible arrogant and wrong.

I can think of many reasons why someone wouldn't want to do that.
Religion comes to mind, for example. Tradition. Mistrust. A lack of faith in the healthcare system and it's procedures. Etc. Etc.
Who are you to put your world-view on people and judging them like this?

@Merve2Love Oh well, the first draft of this thread didn’t include such words and was really tame. But I changed it because I was curious how many answers I’d get with a bit of controversy. And here you are! But no, I’m not trying to convert anyone, I’m just making silly threads to get people talking. I still disagree with people not donating their organs, though.

@AnimeGirlGusher What does it have to do with science? (No, I don’t own any such shirt.) Also, what does it have to do with honor? Is it dishonorable to save lives with organs you literally don’t need anymore? How is it a lack of respect to you? You’re long dead, but your heart still beats and your lungs still breathe. You let them live in people rather than letting them rot. I find that to be a highly honorable thing to do. But honor is a highly subjective thing, I suppose.

@fleurbleue

Oh, so in other words: You were just rage-baiting.^^ Got it
So it doesn't matter that you're beeing an asshole, because it's all for the sake of the controverse MaL-Thread? Is that what you're telling me?
Wow😂



Disagreeing is fine. That's just not what you're doing here. You shame and insult people for not living your western way.
You're wrong.

@fleurbleue Yeah it would be dishonorable to waste my flesh if it was to save someone like you, lmao.

I totally want some guy to mutilate my body that I worked hard to sculpt and maintain so that a smoker can keep littering cigarettes and smoke crack in playgrounds.

@AnimeGirlGusher So I see it has nothing to do with honor but rather with your overblown ego and your disdain for your own kind. That's sad.

@fleurbleue Imagine insulting someone because they don't like people doing crack in children's playgrounds, are you a drug addict?

*Walks into thread*

One could always donate their body to science. That is what I probably will do. Some programs even cover the cost of cremation and transportation. Sounds like a slam dunk decision from a financial perspective.

I am dead. I don’t care what happens to my body after the fact.