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let's keep it real. A lot of CSM fans likely are some newbies that don't have any skin in their franchise's success. Most celebrity Chainsaw Man fans are likely just clout chasers and not spend actual money in it. If BTS Jungkook loves CSM so much and has money, where is his collection

Feb 10, 2023 7:42 PM

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Man I gotta say all this drama with chainsaw man is really making me understand why there's such a stigma with Otaku in Japan and why they're so hated there, it sounds like japanese Otaku are just pathetic assholes that'll cancel a series over the littlest stupidest stuff.

Feb 10, 2023 7:48 PM

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DEMSpirit said:
let's keep it real. A lot of CSM fans likely are some newbies that don't have any skin in their franchise's success. Most celebrity Chainsaw Man fans are likely just clout chasers and not spend actual money in it. If BTS Jungkook loves CSM so much and has money, where is his collection

you make alts to rate anime 10's and 1's 💀💀😭 do you have like 10 figures of every anime you rate a 10? maybe some posters, evey mangs volume and maybe even some codplays!

Feb 10, 2023 9:57 PM

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Damebozo said:
The real reason why blu ray sales were/are still low is because there's not even 10000 of these gajillion gorillion overseas superfans of the CSM anime willing to buy the BDs from amazon.co.jp. They ship internationally and sales there count too. It's not "worth" the money but that's literally what it means to be a deranged superfan and what BD sales measure.

Overseas fans don't care about buying blu ray whether it's csm or any other anime

Feb 10, 2023 11:59 PM

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Polvo_Aranha said:
About the BD/DVD thing, the point isn't how many BD/DVDs people buy nowadays, but the fact people are buying more BD/DVDs about anything else than CSM.

Even some really less known anime have better BD/DVD selling than CSM.

Those lesser known animes are either CGDCT or isekai. Both these genres are very popular among otakus

Feb 11, 2023 12:10 AM

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thunderkitten13 said:

You have zero idea what funds the shows that air every season, so this conversation is useless.

Also, crazy ignorant of you to think there was zero opportunity for international fans to get their hands on BDs, but again, JAPAN dictates what is successful or not, not westerners. Know your place…

Japan doesn't dictate it anymore. WIT studio and production IG president said it himself recently that blu ray used to matter 5 yrs ago. Now the revenue from streaming platforms decide whether show is successful or not

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2022-12-05/production-i.g-and-studio-wit-president-george-wada/.192199

Feb 11, 2023 4:19 AM

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The thing is, while Fujimoto constructed the mangas panels to create cinematic appeal, that still doesn't mean he wanted CSM to be as close to western media as possible. I think the director of the anime does not understand what Fujimoto is trying to create, at least that's what his statement in the OP leads me to believe.

CSM is a love letter to cinema and anime both. Fujimoto never prioritizes western influence over anime tropes. So to say that the anime followed the vision of the manga is just plain stupid.

I'm not saying the director deserves hate for that, but it just seems like he dug his own grave with that statement.

Ironic considering Fujimoto himself approved of the direction of the anime. Also all I see is Cinematic style, not western style. Elaborate on what you mean by Western style.

Feb 11, 2023 4:44 AM

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Elaborate on what you mean by Western style.

Western influence, not style. Fujimoto takes inspiration from a lot of western movies.

Feb 11, 2023 5:17 AM

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michael_09 said:

Polvo_Aranha said:
About the BD/DVD thing, the point isn't how many BD/DVDs people buy nowadays, but the fact people are buying more BD/DVDs about anything else than CSM.

Even some really less known anime have better BD/DVD selling than CSM.

Those lesser known animes are either CGDCT or isekai. Both these genres are very popular among otakus

But they aren't as popular as Shonen, the most popular anime type (CSM is a shonen).

Feb 11, 2023 6:06 AM

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Polvo_Aranha said:

michael_09 said:

Those lesser known animes are either CGDCT or isekai. Both these genres are very popular among otakus

But they aren't as popular as Shonen, the most popular anime type (CSM is a shonen).

I literally mentioned the reason for low csm sales in the main post. Did u even read it?

Feb 12, 2023 1:06 AM

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That's a shame. Killing off a lot of anime tropes is a big part of what made it so good

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Feb 12, 2023 1:06 AM

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Will that affect the sequel or not is the main question?

Feb 12, 2023 6:35 AM

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That's a shame. Killing off a lot of anime tropes is a big part of what made it so good

Tbh there are barely any anime troupes even in csm manga. It's one of the reason I like csm

Feb 12, 2023 9:02 AM

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Cinematic mode in csm was a joke. I never liked the story but the adaption made me dislike it even more, Imagine expecting something big and it turns out to be something that shouldn’t be there in the first place. The director don’t like anime troups then don’t make one, make a movie from it. No wonder Japanese fans are reacting this way.

Imagine expecting the anime adaptation to be the same as manga, therefore limiting the production team's creativity

In short, anime fans are stupid. Death to generic anime tropes

Feb 12, 2023 1:52 PM

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Cryptcat said:

thunderkitten13 said:

Unless you’re in Japan your opinion is literally useless. The Japanese market determines whether an anime is successful or not, and Chainsaw Man was so bad it was beaten in sales by an unknown slice of life…

you act like blu ray sales is what determines how successful something is. if blu ray dvds were normal internationally the sales would be vastly different. manga of csm is selling better than alot of other series. and csm being bad is your opinion it's not objective lil bro 💀💀😭

Blu ray sales are often what is used to determine whether or not an anime series is succesful, especially in terms of the Japanese anime industry. Manga sales and fans of the series of a whole is not the cold hard cash that the anime studio needs to see to determine success.

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Feb 12, 2023 3:32 PM

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michael_09 said:

jpstiddy said:
Who buys Blu ray in 2023 anyways?

japanese otakus. Thats why studios make tons of garbage isekais every year coz otakus buy it and make it successful

That doesn't work in real life at all. Isekais are usually from ln series, and the anime act like the marketing budget for a series. But to be a continueing series you have to be like top 5 montnly ln sales. Most will fail to even get like 500 blu ray sales

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Cryptcat said:

DEMSpirit said:
let's keep it real. A lot of CSM fans likely are some newbies that don't have any skin in their franchise's success. Most celebrity Chainsaw Man fans are likely just clout chasers and not spend actual money in it. If BTS Jungkook loves CSM so much and has money, where is his collection

you make alts to rate anime 10's and 1's 💀💀😭 do you have like 10 figures of every anime you rate a 10? maybe some posters, evey mangs volume and maybe even some codplays!

don't be surprised if animes you don't spend a nickel on don't get follow up seasons.

Feb 12, 2023 6:35 PM

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DEMSpirit said:

Cryptcat said:

you make alts to rate anime 10's and 1's 💀💀😭 do you have like 10 figures of every anime you rate a 10? maybe some posters, evey mangs volume and maybe even some codplays!

don't be surprised if animes you don't spend a nickel on don't get follow up seasons.

I won't be, but I did spend a nickel anyways

Feb 13, 2023 2:29 AM

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at what point when reading the manga did I get the cinematic, hollywood feel, sure there are homages but still its the most anime-esque story ever as simple as that. Has director never watched any western shows & movies in his life since it seems like he has superficial egotistical view on anime artform, when mappa is literally adapting attack on titan & vinland saga. Those are more western oriented stories with literally foreign themes & execution💀 bruh CSM is just mediocre shounen like KNY & JJK, gtfo with your pretencious takes on this whole matter.

Feb 17, 2023 8:03 AM

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StaleNut said:
The thing is, while Fujimoto constructed the mangas panels to create cinematic appeal, that still doesn't mean he wanted CSM to be as close to western media as possible. I think the director of the anime does not understand what Fujimoto is trying to create, at least that's what his statement in the OP leads me to believe.

CSM is a love letter to cinema and anime both. Fujimoto never prioritizes western influence over anime tropes. So to say that the anime followed the vision of the manga is just plain stupid.

I'm not saying the director deserves hate for that, but it just seems like he dug his own grave with that statement.

an anime is supposed to give a different vibe from the original. I dont get the obsession with having anime picture perfect to the manga. if that happened aot would've looked like shit in its first season. Manga readers always treat anime adaptations like that complimentary meal . What an anime should be , is it's own experience. For example , mob psycho, aot (the wit version) , any shaft anime , gintama , and a few others.

Feb 17, 2023 8:21 AM

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Lord_Mystic78 said:

StaleNut said:
The thing is, while Fujimoto constructed the mangas panels to create cinematic appeal, that still doesn't mean he wanted CSM to be as close to western media as possible. I think the director of the anime does not understand what Fujimoto is trying to create, at least that's what his statement in the OP leads me to believe.

CSM is a love letter to cinema and anime both. Fujimoto never prioritizes western influence over anime tropes. So to say that the anime followed the vision of the manga is just plain stupid.

I'm not saying the director deserves hate for that, but it just seems like he dug his own grave with that statement.

an anime is supposed to give a different vibe from the original. I dont get the obsession with having anime picture perfect to the manga. if that happened aot would've looked like shit in its first season. Manga readers always treat anime adaptations like that complimentary meal . What an anime should be , is it's own experience. For example , mob psycho, aot (the wit version) , any shaft anime , gintama , and a few others.

Artistic freedom is meant to improve on the source materials shortcomings. No one asked for CSM anime to be a replica of the manga, we asked for it to be able to improve on it and change certain aspects based on the strengths of the medium it is being adapted into.

But how can an anime be its own experience when the director refuses to acknowledge the entire medium's strengths? This adaptation failed to be what it is supposed to be in the first place, an anime. It tried to be sth that it can't be, a live-action film.

Feb 17, 2023 3:10 PM

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bd prices even for japan are still pennies compared to things like gacha and scaled figures. This is why you don't go on r/anime since your brain will rot from the sheer stupidity they utter. They think circulation is irrelevant to success which is by far the dumbest comment you can say since publishers are the primary financer of anime. Just a bunch of leeches

Mappa just got too cocky for their own good. Even if what the director said can be seen as tame, they are fully aware of it, but went along with it anyways even with the CSM project on the online. Especially in japan you cannot just whatever you want and expect to have a career, unless the studio went away with it. Not to mention Japan hates edgy stuff in the west like Pulp Fiction yet they chose to reference that.

In the west, celebs get nude photos leaked or get arrested all the time but still have careers as long as they make money. In japan, your career is basically over after that. So they watch their mouth carefully there. Even if the show is like ex arm, no seiyuu or staff would never badmouth the project.

And no crunchyroll cannot cover marketing and production expenses for this project.

Feb 17, 2023 6:24 PM

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even for source material sales, in this case manga which costs like nothing in japan, they still got outsold by blue lock which had a far smaller marketing budget as well as hype. Not to mention they also got outsold by things with no anime airing like jjk.

mappa's only outlet are figures and gacha collabs now. Never try to westernize a show by including references to things like pulp fiction. Japan is a very clean country compared to the west so they don't look fondly to drug use.

Feb 17, 2023 10:09 PM

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StaleNut said:

Lord_Mystic78 said:

an anime is supposed to give a different vibe from the original. I dont get the obsession with having anime picture perfect to the manga. if that happened aot would've looked like shit in its first season. Manga readers always treat anime adaptations like that complimentary meal . What an anime should be , is it's own experience. For example , mob psycho, aot (the wit version) , any shaft anime , gintama , and a few others.

Artistic freedom is meant to improve on the source materials shortcomings. No one asked for CSM anime to be a replica of the manga, we asked for it to be able to improve on it and change certain aspects based on the strengths of the medium it is being adapted into.

But how can an anime be its own experience when the director refuses to acknowledge the entire medium's strengths? This adaptation failed to be what it is supposed to be in the first place, an anime. It tried to be sth that it can't be, a live-action film.

I half agree, it shouldve been more "anime" since half the stuff was rotoscoped from actual cinema. But on the other hand , chainsawman always gave me the vibe of a web series, so I half disagree. I hope you understand

Feb 18, 2023 12:28 AM

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Lord_Mystic78 said:

StaleNut said:

Artistic freedom is meant to improve on the source materials shortcomings. No one asked for CSM anime to be a replica of the manga, we asked for it to be able to improve on it and change certain aspects based on the strengths of the medium it is being adapted into.

But how can an anime be its own experience when the director refuses to acknowledge the entire medium's strengths? This adaptation failed to be what it is supposed to be in the first place, an anime. It tried to be sth that it can't be, a live-action film.

I half agree, it shouldve been more "anime" since half the stuff was rotoscoped from actual cinema. But on the other hand , chainsawman always gave me the vibe of a web series, so I half disagree. I hope you understand

It wasn't rotoscoped tho...It was just fluid animation with a high framerate, definitely not rotoscoping. You can check the actual sketches on Sakuga apps and sites.

Feb 18, 2023 6:40 AM

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StaleNut said:

Lord_Mystic78 said:

I half agree, it shouldve been more "anime" since half the stuff was rotoscoped from actual cinema. But on the other hand , chainsawman always gave me the vibe of a web series, so I half disagree. I hope you understand

It wasn't rotoscoped tho...It was just fluid animation with a high framerate, definitely not rotoscoping. You can check the actual sketches on Sakuga apps and sites.

you're mistaking rotoscope for motion tracking . Rotoscope is having an actual person do movement and then animators draw the character over it. it's clearly obvious if you look closely. When Aki first attacks katanaman, his movement and the folds on his suit move way too realistically. Then the hallway scene where himeno, aki and denji are running. Then the scenes of aki doing chores, and a few others. It's not a bad tactic

Feb 18, 2023 7:21 AM

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