Attack on Titan
Tokoya said: Enri_eu said: I was never saying that the chapter was bad, all I was trying to get across is that this particular scene was just really nonsensical....Overall The Cringevengers arc here is kinda cringe at times but its not anything inherently bad either since we would narratively expect these characters to go the idealistic route even though what they're fighting for is a lost cause that they unfortunately refuse to seeThis guy calls the alliance "cringe", it is pointless to discuss with people who supports fascists. Yeah I do agree it was a waste to not have a intense Annie reunion, but it doesnt make the chapter bad or anything, the pie scene is fine and the series has a few comedy moments like this. But as for your "Fascists" comment I dunno why people refuse to put aside their modern day real world views and morals, and then go around self inserting them into a fictional narrative such as Attack on Titan that has next to little similarities or situations to that of what we have in our own real world history lol....The best example we have is the Holocaust, but the situation surrounding that is entirely different to the issues and situations that exist in the world of Attack on Titan Yes Genocide is morally wrong and shouldn't ever be a solution, but the fact of the matter is, in the story of Attack on Titan, it's literally either us or them....I dunno what else to tell you at this point....Just because some people can see this that doesn't mean they're fascists' or that you can go around fallaciously labelling them as such lol "I think I know what the story is about better than the writer himself, so when I don't like the narrative shift of a chapter or the ending I say it's bad writing and I'm objectively right" KEKW Maybe the story just isn't the shallow edgefest you expected it to be :O |
Fantyyy said: What a weak response lol....I get where you're trying to go with this, but unlike yourself, there's actually printed and recorded interviews of Isayama himself stating many times what this series is heavily based on (Such as MLA) and how many times throughout the writing process he has changed certain things within the storyTokoya said: I was never saying that the chapter was bad, all I was trying to get across is that this particular scene was just really nonsensical....Overall The Cringevengers arc here is kinda cringe at times but its not anything inherently bad either since we would narratively expect these characters to go the idealistic route even though what they're fighting for is a lost cause that they unfortunately refuse to see But as for your "Fascists" comment I dunno why people refuse to put aside their modern day real world views and morals, and then go around self inserting them into a fictional narrative such as Attack on Titan that has next to little similarities or situations to that of what we have in our own real world history lol....The best example we have is the Holocaust, but the situation surrounding that is entirely different to the issues and situations that exist in the world of Attack on Titan Yes Genocide is morally wrong and shouldn't ever be a solution, but the fact of the matter is, in the story of Attack on Titan, it's literally either us or them....I dunno what else to tell you at this point....Just because some people can see this that doesn't mean they're fascists' or that you can go around fallaciously labelling them as such lol "I think I know what the story is about better than the writer himself, so when I don't like the narrative shift of a chapter or the ending I say it's bad writing and I'm objectively right" KEKW Maybe the story just isn't the shallow edgefest you expected it to be :O Now for all we know, a lot of the theories may not happen, but regardless of the fact, Isayama confirming these similarities doesn't mean that they were never there |
DaddyDonovan said: The Warriors did what they did for selfish reasons:Tokoya said: They were tasked with obtaining the founding titan.....Marley itself planned to take the islands' resources later on but the Warriors sole mission was to obtain the Founder....All that other shit they did such as bringing down Wall Maria, attempting to do the same to the other walls and then murdering hundreds of people was done all on their own volition even AFTER living with these people for years knowing that they weren't devils "But they had a reason"...Yeah tell that to poor Marco and all of the other people they killed just because It's rich that yall wanna demonize and oppose Eren for doing the same thing (Albeit on a grander scale) and see him be stopped and criticized yet when it comes to Annie, "she had a reason" so therefore she gets a pass and shouldnt even be scolded at the very least. Eren has a great reason too lol, heck his reason is more dire than theirs ever was Im pretty sure they killed Marco because he found out the truth. The whole point of AOT is that everyone is doing things for reasons outside their control. The warriors did what they did because they believed they were saving the world, and to become honarary marleyans. Also they were just kids. It is pretty hard to blame them for any of what they did. Willy Tybur did what he did to protect the eldians who lived in Marley, to protect Marley from global retaliation to its imperialism, and to unite the world against a threat that could(and almost did) destroy the world. Zeke was doing what he was to both save the eldians from the world and to save the world from them, and Eren did what he did to protect his people from near certain annihilation(among other things). The point is that no one really had a choice to do what they did, and thats where the surface level political themes of the show intersect with the deeper philisophical ones. Annie: She wanted to live peacefully free of all the bullshit in the world with her dad as an Honorary Marleyan Reiner and Bert: They wanted to become Honorary Marlyen so that they and their families can live better lives in Marley It was never about "Saving the world" for them like it was for Gabi and Falco because quite frankly, after learning the truth, they saw through all of that "Island Devils" bullshit. hence why they felt so bad for the stuff that they did and why Reiner had SEVERE PTSD as a result Willy, like his entire family is a bootlicker that once again tried to sell out his own people, and Zeke was just a dumbass who also strived on selling out his own people as well, except he wanted to single handedly be responsible of Eldian Genocide - Hence what happened to Grisha and Dina They all chose to do these things for their own personal reasons, nobody forced them to |
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