Better than the original one! !

DreamingBeats said:
a lot of Sunshine season 1 was about praising muse - from showing a giant muse poster, several muse song and muse amv footage all the way down to even introducing a forced muse trivia. this series felt like it was trying too hard to appease Love Live fans. they also turned up a notch on the "moe" factor (Ruby)
hopefully things will be different in season 2.

KittyxChan said:
I agree, I like Sunshine better. And Nico's alright, but Dia's better. 8D
(Also jeez people need to chill, it's just an OPINION. Stfu if you're not gonna respect someone else's opinion even if it's different from yours. Also inb4 someone says "your opinion is wrong". =w= )

Reikuo said:
I think Love Live SIP is inherently the better told story. Sunshine uses so much of its formula, far beyond characters, dialogue, or music in order for it to feel connected there is no way to pull the two entirely apart. Which is definitely how it should feel for being in the same universe even if there are no returning characters from the original.

Its not entirely fair to compare the two either, with the original having nowhere near the planning or foresight that Sunshine had. Which makes stating that the original is a better piece of work stronger of a statement.

In terms of characters I really dont think one can argue very consistently in an unbiased form that Sunshine genuinely does have worse characters. Lets start off with the fact that every single character is a trope in both the original and Sunshine. This is because the episodes are only 22 minutes, they have 9 characters to develop for, and lets face it anime loves its cliche character archetypes. However, Aqours clearly has more elements of uniqueness with its characters then the girls of Muse.

I think Riko has the most depth of all the Love Live girls. Interestingly, I cant tell if this was on purpose. We have seen every spectrum she can offer as a character from what worry's her when she is alone to her private interests. She has a unique posture and mannerism portrayed throughout the show that adds to her character value in a real way as a person, rather then cheaply as is the case with Yohane dressed in her garb all the time, and You with her uniforms, to Nozomi and her cards and Maki sitting with her arms crossed or twirling her hair looking too bothered to be there because she is the rich tsundere girl archtype. Riko starts at the beginning with no self confidence and very little drive to do anything. She is very unsure. As the season progresses she becomes a member of Aqours and gets on the path of just hanging out to genuinely caring. As she settles into her new town with her new friends, she is finally presented with another chance at the piano competition to face her biggest internal struggle, one clearly built up throughout the season, but she turns it down because Aqours and specifically Chika are what is most important to her. However after Chika opens up and tells her to to the competition she does. She is selfless but she is willing to pursue her own goals. Returning from the competition Riko is invigorated and confident. Glowing. Riko grows as an individual and as a person in Love Live Sunshine. More so then any other girl in the series.

If we look at other characters in Love Live, who rivals Rikos climb? Nico has real development, but in the end she just decides to stop trying to hog the spotlight. Maki while a favorite, has almost none. Umi and Kotori are held back as characters to be Honokas care takers. Honokas personal drama is very uninteresting and not really powerful. Training while sick to botch the performance is not really very intriguing, shes just dumb. Her bounce back is not powerful because she did not fall far enough down, and when she returned it was just back to her previous self identical to before the accident. There is no change that carry's her forward. Chika decides to stop copying Muse, not really a big deal. You gets jealous of Riko, then realizes it was all a misunderstanding? Things return to normal the following episode. The Aqours 3rd year drama went for it, but the overall core of the drama, being that they faked being unable to perform to disband the group for Maris sake was not very compelling when you know they are going to return to the group. The drama also had no lasting impacts, Kanan and Mari had been friends before the drama, remained friends after. Hanamaru decides to leave the library... I could go on... I know that was ranty and disjointed, but you get the idea.

However, there are still redeeming quality's to almost all of these characters and I think Aqours is off to a really strong start for Muse having more then half the content of Sunshine.

snarat said:
LLS will never surpass LL in any way, μ's is a million times better and that's a fact!
i know that people have different opinions but i can't understand how some think that LLS and Aqours are both better than the legendary original LL and μ's.

Rayla said:


I have to say that I love Aqours more than u's because I got to watch these girls grow and start from zero to one. Not just the girls in the anime, but also the seiyuus as well, from their first live all the way to their Happy Train Tour. I got to see them grow, not only as idols, but as friends, and that's the magic. It wasn't like that for u's, by the time the anime came out, u's itself, had already just ended their Third Live, and as soon as the anime ended, it wasn't long until the movie came out and BOOM their Final Live. It was just like meeting a new friend, but before you got to know them more, they left and moved somewhere far away. At least now that Aqours is here, I have the privilege of watching these girls grow as a group. Unlike, where in u's case, they were already a group, and I was just the unfortunate sod who became a fan of them too late in the game. Don't get me wrong, I will always love u's and they will always have a special place in my heart, but Aqours has stolen it... and my wallet, since I ended up buying their CDs, their merch, and tickets to their Live Viewing.

Jacob194 said:


Animation : Sunshine's animation was better than Muse's 1st/2nd season (by a small margin) but not the movie, why is that? well, Sunshine was made in 2016, while the 1st/2nd season were made in 2013/2014 so it's expected. The movie's animation far exceeds both Sunshine and 1st/2nd seasons.

Characters : I personally think that 6 out of 9 characters from Sunshine are literally almost copy-paste from Muse. and whoever says otherwise might be watching a totally another series? am I right here? other than originality there were far more characters that pissed me off in Sunshine than in Muse.

Character Development and backstory : Every member of Muse had their own episode talking about their backstory and developed them somehow. Aqours on the other hand, only had episodes about Riko aaaaand.. well the episode about Mari and Kanan, I can't really say that's an episode because it made me cringe so bad.

Last notes : About forced drama xDDD, well.. Muse did have a bit of forced drama here and there, but it never threw me off. As for Sunshine :/, I can't help but say there was so much forced drama it made me cringe.

Zetsuei380 said:
how Eli all of a sudden went from hating school idols with a passion to wanting to join them in such a short amount of time) compared to sunshine's.

I could go on even further but I don't have time to be writing essays.

DreamingBeats said:


Eli opposed having an idol group because she considered it a complete waste of time and resources. the school was going to close, and people have better things to worry about instead of making a happy-go-lucky club and hope for the best. as head of student council, her opposition was not due to "hatred" per see, but from the point of view of someone responsible for the well-being of the students in the school. making an idol group would only bring an empty hope, something she did not want.
she probably was also aware that even if Otonokizaka made an idol group, they would stand no chance against the dominant idols at the time - A-rise. now, compare this opposition to Dia's:

Dia's tried becoming an idol with Kanan and Mari. Mari gets injured, so Kanan decides to give up on the stage to protect Mari. since that day they no longer perform and Dia have a deep bitterness of becoming an idol...while somehow still being a big fan of muse. a single bad performance (or rather, lack of it) and Dia gives up on becoming an idol altogether, and even strongly opposes any school idol club. not because it seemed pointless, but because she failed to perform with Mari and Kanan in an irrelevant distant past. hmm..thinking of it, maybe they tried to perform in the same timeline that muse won. maybe they could explore this by making a crossover OVA.

DreamingBeats said:


Eli opposed having an idol group because she considered it a complete waste of time and resources. the school was going to close, and people have better things to worry about instead of making a happy-go-lucky club and hope for the best. as head of student council, her opposition was not due to "hatred" per see, but from the point of view of someone responsible for the well-being of the students in the school. making an idol group would only bring an empty hope, something she did not want.
she probably was also aware that even if Otonokizaka made an idol group, they would stand no chance against the dominant idols at the time - A-rise. now, compare this opposition to Dia's:

Dia's tried becoming an idol with Kanan and Mari. Mari gets injured, so Kanan decides to give up on the stage to protect Mari. since that day they no longer perform and Dia have a deep bitterness of becoming an idol...while somehow still being a big fan of muse. a single bad performance (or rather, lack of it) and Dia gives up on becoming an idol altogether, and even strongly opposes any school idol club. not because it seemed pointless, but because she failed to perform with Mari and Kanan in an irrelevant distant past. hmm..thinking of it, maybe they tried to perform in the same timeline that muse won. maybe they could explore this by making a crossover OVA.

Zetsuei380 said:

Of course a movie will have better animation, its a fucking MOVIE.


Yeah because the original cast were so original right, I mean its not they're like copy-paste of a lot of other anime characters ever made.


Uh, no they didn't Umi and Maki never got their own episodes. And I'm sorry everyone had their backstory explored? Did you even watch the show? Sure maybe some of them but definitely not all them?


Yeah sure both had drama that can be considered cringy/forced. But in terms of writing the original's own was just plain bad (ex. how Eli all of a sudden went from hating school idols with a passion to wanting to join them in such a short amount of time) compared to sunshine's.

I could go on even further but I don't have time to be writing essays.

Vhailor said:
The only thing Sunshine does better than Love Live is the animation and overall production value, which again is thanks to all the sweet waifu tribute money Sunrise earned from the original Love Live.

EGOIST said:
Nah. Probably from the first season of sunshine. That explains why the quality was better this season, I mean everything Sunshine released so far from games,figures,cds,blurays have sold like crazy :c

GarLogan78 said:
I never understood why Rubi didn't KNOW about that, being Dia's younger sister by only two years. How did she have no idea Dia was an idol? That was a huge plot hole for me.

Zetsuei380 said:
that still doesn't change the issue of her suddenly wanting to join them so suddenly.
...
how Eli all of a sudden went from hating school idols with a passion to wanting to join them in such a short amount of time) compared to sunshine's.

because Kanan and Dia cared for Mari's future.

DreamingBeats said:



Eli didn't join the group until episode 8, and only affer much careful thought and a little push from Nozomi - her best friend who also helped endure being a head of student council. Eli didn't "hate" school idols per see, but she didn't see a point to it, either. Her priorities are pretty straightforward: school should come first. as head of student council, she only allowed Honoka to register for the love live competition if everyone in her group passed their exams. I don't remember the episode too well, but it's probably safe to say that they did. Eli gradually changed her mind when she saw Honoka and the others working day in and day out, doing their best to improve their amateur performance. It wasn't a "sudden" shift by any means.
by comparison, Dia joined in episode 9. 1 episode later compared to Love Live.

Dia could have bid good luck to Mari and then proceed to try and become an idol. they could have gone in separate ways and reach for their own dreams. instead, after that live "performance"(or the lack thereof), she gives up on performing ever again. usually, you'd expect that after not performing in the event, the three of them would talk to each other, if not on the same day, then certainly the day after. they worked really hard to prepare for the Love Live competition, and when Kanan doesn't perform after all they've been through, none of them talk about it? only after Chika intervening were they able to sort it out, a year or two after the incident.

as for "protecting" students...Love Live is a competition. it's like trying to protect peope from joining a Karuta competition, a swimming competition, or what have you because there's a good chance you'll lose. i'm not sure this works in Dia's case, since Dia, Mari and Kanan didn't even perform, and lost pretty much by default - without even trying.

Hoppy said:


Not really, the performance look better and the music is still good, but Muse has the better characters (there's no substitute for Umi, she's just too perfect), I also don't like Dia that much for example.