ginfoxface said: Tales high budget? O_O To me high budget is Fallout 4 but okay.... Are you crazy? Budget is proportionate to sales. Do you think the average game can sell like FO4? No. It's financial suicide. Square Enix tried to use that line of thinking and it's what lead to the ridiculous statement that 4 million sales was a financial failure on Tomb Raider. |
Thalos said: ???? what are you going on about? what does that have to do with anything?ginfoxface said: Tales high budget? O_O To me high budget is Fallout 4 but okay.... Are you crazy? Budget is proportionate to sales. Do you think the average game can sell like FO4? No. It's financial suicide. Square Enix tried to use that line of thinking and it's what lead to the ridiculous statement that 4 million sales was a financial failure on Tomb Raider. |
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ginfoxface said: Thalos said: ???? what are you going on about? what does that have to do with anything?Are you crazy? Budget is proportionate to sales. Do you think the average game can sell like FO4? No. It's financial suicide. Square Enix tried to use that line of thinking and it's what lead to the ridiculous statement that 4 million sales was a financial failure on Tomb Raider. You say Tales is being "cheap" about its budget because it's not a "high" budget game which by your standards is Fallout 4. Um... that's not how it works. Tales has never really sold over 1 million copies and do you think getting the same graphics as The Witcher 3 is going to change that? All it's going to do is sink the development team and get them laid off over a massive flop. Relative to the sales they get, Tales is not a cheaply budgeted game. ginfoxface said: They put as little as possible money into these games and charge full price and it's the same shit every year, same shitty story writing, characters and combat yet people praise this series which I don't know why. Bandai Namco has money get a new developer make a new engine do something these games look cheap and feel cheap. I don't think it's right to charge full price for these half assed games that have little to no effort. What I'm talking about. |
ThalosDec 16, 2015 11:06 PM
| To be honest, I really don't like "Tales of" art designs, especially the characters ones. But more time passes, more this is getting worse in my opinion. It's like the only ones who have a decent design are the bestiary (especially the "werewolf" beasts who look awesome) and the protagonist, I'm sorry, but she looks like come from RWBY universe.... |
Thalos said: ginfoxface said: ???? what are you going on about? what does that have to do with anything? You say Tales is being "cheap" about its budget because it's not a "high" budget game which by your standards is Fallout 4. Um... that's not how it works. Tales has never really sold over 1 million copies and do you think getting the same graphics as The Witcher 3 is going to change that? All it's going to do is sink the development team and get them laid off over a massive flop. Relative to the sales they get, Tales is not a cheaply budgeted game. ginfoxface said: They put as little as possible money into these games and charge full price and it's the same shit every year, same shitty story writing, characters and combat yet people praise this series which I don't know why. Bandai Namco has money get a new developer make a new engine do something these games look cheap and feel cheap. I don't think it's right to charge full price for these half assed games that have little to no effort. What I'm talking about. Amen to that. Unfortunately true, Tales games never really had a big market in the west (that's why we don't get to see every Tales games that gets released). If no one likes the 60 $ price tag, than just wait for a sale. I have to buy these games are 69.99 $, and I just wait for a sale to happen. It's not like people are forcing you to buy these games on the day of release. |
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| Just adding to the conversation, tales games are insanely low budget in proportion to what they are, they reuse a ton of assets for each game to cover alot of development costs and the games are generally made on a budget thats only a few million. Out of all the major j-rpg franchises tales is probably the 3rd lowest budget behind the legend of the heroes and disgaea games, |
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| I'm curious to know what kind of budget Disgaea gets. |
Thalos said: You say Tales is being "cheap" about its budget because it's not a "high" budget game which by your standards is Fallout 4. Um... that's not how it works. Tales has never really sold over 1 million copies and do you think getting the same graphics as The Witcher 3 is going to change that? All it's going to do is sink the development team and get them laid off over a massive flop. Relative to the sales they get, Tales is not a cheaply budgeted game. No that's not what I said at all, what I said was they don't put money in their games compared to other jrpgs. Persona isn't a high budget series yet they can manage to create a new engine but Tales can't? has a persona game ever hit in the millions? I know Tales of Xillia sold over a million so what's their excuse? Nier flopped hard in terms of sales yet we have a sequel that looks infinitely better so let's stop making excuses and not play the sales game. Star Ocean isn't high budget but tri ace takes their time to craft these games, build them up from scratch using new hardware and you get incredible results as evident in Star Ocean 5. While Tales continues to be milked and reuse shit from their previous games, just to sell it back and charge $60. You're basically buying reskins of the same game I can't support that Bandai does the same shit with the Naruto games. I hope Tales continues to decline in sales because that's the only way these companies will listen selling reskins for $60 is ridiculous and should not be supported. |
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| People seriously take shit for granted these days. So much goes into these games and it all isn't good enough for you. I don't even know what your criteria is. "reused assets" is the only legit complaint that I've heard, and it's hardly even a complaint. Item descriptions, effects, and illustrations. Is that too much for you? The engine? So many shit games people buy up all use the same engine these days. The battle system has been evolving ever since the first game, and they've not only built on what they have but have been constantly switching it up. But it's still too similar? I'm not even sure why you're labeling Star Ocean 5 and Persona 5 as such successful and amazing games so far. All of the Persona 5 hype is due to Persona 4. SO5 hype is practically non-existent, and if their track record is anything to speak for, it will flop hard (not something I'm looking forward to). Tales has also been building up its graphics constantly. Going from the first leap to 3D, Symphonia. Abyss was a clear upgrade. Symphonia 2 was a clear upgrade. Legendia was stupid. Vesperia was an upgrade. Graces was an upgrade (at least f was, haven't played Wii Graces). Xillia was an upgrade. Xillia 2 stayed the same. Zestiria was an upgrade, and Berseria will likely also be an upgrade. Tales has been the sharpest looking JRPG for a while now, barring Final Fantasy. Compared to other games graphically: Disgaea is shit. Persona is shit. SO4 is shit. SO5 might be another story. SO3 was remarkable for its time. What else do you have to compare it to? Are you really going to go and say "Tales is shit because it does go above and beyond its last entry" because the other titles do? If you add 1 to 1 then you've doubled your efforts. If you add 1 to 100, you've only increased your efforts by 1%. It's not a valid comparison. |
ginfoxface said: No that's not what I said at all, what I said was they don't put money in their games compared to other jrpgs. Persona isn't a high budget series yet they can manage to create a new engine but Tales can't? has a persona game ever hit in the millions? I know Tales of Xillia sold over a million so what's their excuse? Nier flopped hard in terms of sales yet we have a sequel that looks infinitely better so let's stop making excuses and not play the sales game. Star Ocean isn't high budget but tri ace takes their time to craft these games, build them up from scratch using new hardware and you get incredible results as evident in Star Ocean 5. While Tales continues to be milked and reuse shit from their previous games, just to sell it back and charge $60. You're basically buying reskins of the same game I can't support that Bandai does the same shit with the Naruto games. I hope Tales continues to decline in sales because that's the only way these companies will listen selling reskins for $60 is ridiculous and should not be supported. Xillia is the only title that ever hit 1m and it just barely hit that mark (it was around 1.15m last time I checked). Meanwhile, Atlus has suffered financially in the last half a decade. Also, both Persona and Star Ocean release their main titles on much, much slower cycles than Tales does. Would it hurt to slow down production? Maybe not. But in my opinion, SO and Persona release their titles too slowly. Persona 4 came out in 2008... of course Persona 5 would look and run different 8 years later. You're not being genuine if you think TotA looks the exact same as ToZ does. |
zoderos said: Newsflash - Persona 4 graphics are shit because it was released for ps2 in 2008... Persona 5 will wreck every Tales title that will be released in the next 10 years.  2008  I'm sorry what point were you trying to make? |
| This game looks sick, it's like the animation/art style of an anime, mixed with Dynasty Warriors/Shin Sangoku Musou and Samurai Warriors/Sengoku Musou, most likely because Koei Tecmo contributed to this game. |
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| LOL never mind, wrong game, ignore this ^ |
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| But I am also a fan of the Tales series aswell, platinum'ed Zestiria!!! |
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Thrashinuva said: He did say PS2. Lol.zoderos said: Newsflash - Persona 4 graphics are shit because it was released for ps2 in 2008... Persona 5 will wreck every Tales title that will be released in the next 10 years. 2008 I'm sorry what point were you trying to make? |
Ingling said: Thrashinuva said: He did say PS2. Lol.2008 I'm sorry what point were you trying to make? It still came out when both the 360 and PS3 were out. I wanted to get the closest Tales game for the comparison which happened to be on the same year. If we want to compare Abyss, which was the last console Tales before that...  It still looks better, albeit only slightly. However it's a 2005 PS2 game. Of course that's only speaking to graphics. Tales of the Abyss also featured many more areas, items, and npc's. Probably the one thing it can't compare to, which hardly any JRPG can, probably, is the amount of monsters and the extent of their detail, which Atlus has always been extraordinary about. |
| Bumping this because I don't want to make a separate thread on the matter. So more censorship/modifications. Apparently a kid getting stabbed by multiple sharp magic objects is ok but getting stabbed by a sword is a big no. |
| ^ That was like the most ridiculous scene in ToB. Laphy would have had to weigh about the same as a feather... sorry, but when I came to that part in-game I was like "this is so stupid." It's easy to ignore the other crimes against physics, but with that scene it was just like ugh. I'm enjoying Berseria. The best atmosphere of the game definitely came from the very beginning, but that's not to say the rest of the game isn't fun. Very adventurous, and I like all the characters. (My amount of DLC can attest to that) |
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| I am fairly new to this series. Tales of Berseria caught my interest a while ago so I figured I would give the series a chance. When I found out Zestiria was on sale on PSN for 17 bucks I decided to pick it up. I recently started Zestiria have been really enjoying it. I also preordered Berseria a couple days ago. I am very excited for this game. |
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| [quote=Thrashinuva message=43759930] zoderos said: Newsflash - Persona 4 graphics are shit because it was released for ps2 in 2008... Persona 5 will wreck every Tales title that will be released in the next 10 years. 2008 That's a PS2 game vs an Xbox 360 title. =/ Still waiting for a PC release of that Xbox game or something. It's available on the PS3 but its JP only. |
| The english voice acting is actually good tbh. I liked velvet, Artorias, and oscar's voices . Laphi's is okay. |
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DragonSlayer_19 said: The english voice acting is actually good tbh. I liked velvet, Artorias, and oscar's voices . Laphi's is okay. They've always done a pretty good job with the English voice actors.. At least from what I've heard in the Tales games I played. |
SolidusSmoke said: DragonSlayer_19 said: The english voice acting is actually good tbh. I liked velvet, Artorias, and oscar's voices . Laphi's is okay. They've always done a pretty good job with the English voice actors.. At least from what I've heard in the Tales games I played. My post was posted subtly for the weebs who whine about japanese VAs being superior and the only option to go with lol Yeah i played Zestiria, and the English voice acting was good too . |
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| From the 8 hours of Zestiria the English voice acting is pure garbage. Couldn't really stand it so I switched to the Japanese voice acting. I will also be playing Berseria with the Japanese voice acting. |
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Ratchetdude231 said: From the 8 hours of Zestiria the English voice acting is pure garbage. Couldn't really stand it so I switched to the Japanese voice acting. I will also be playing Berseria with the Japanese voice acting. What's wrong with the VA's? Tales always does quality work. |
SpamuraiSensei said: Zestiria's voice actors couldn't cover up its shit writing. It's probably harder to notice if you're listening to a language you don't understand.Ratchetdude231 said: From the 8 hours of Zestiria the English voice acting is pure garbage. Couldn't really stand it so I switched to the Japanese voice acting. I will also be playing Berseria with the Japanese voice acting. What's wrong with the VA's? Tales always does quality work. Either that or whoever they had directing them did a shit job. The voice work itself was good, but the end result was lacking. The characters feel more like they're responding to themselves rather than to the other characters. Ironically I hate Zaveid's character but his voice acting was probably the best out of the bunch. That said Rose has them all beat in terms of experience and probably talent, I think her character just got the short end of the stick. Lailah's VA has a decent amount of experience, but the rest of the cast is fairly underwhelming. But they do have talent. Perhaps they're just inexperienced. |
Thrashinuva said: Zestiria's voice actors couldn't cover up its shit writing. It's probably harder to notice if you're listening to a language you don't understand. Either that or whoever they had directing them did a shit job. The voice work itself was good, but the end result was lacking. The characters feel more like they're responding to themselves rather than to the other characters. Ironically I hate Zaveid's character but his voice acting was probably the best out of the bunch. That said Rose has them all beat in terms of experience and probably talent, I think her character just got the short end of the stick. Lailah's VA has a decent amount of experience, but the rest of the cast is fairly underwhelming. But they do have talent. Perhaps they're just inexperienced. I don't know I just found the English VA really cringe most of the time. Perhaps it is that Zestiria has bad writing but if it does the Japanese voice acting does a pretty good job at hiding it. |
Ratchetdude231Dec 19, 2016 6:28 PM
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Ratchetdude231 said: Zestiria heavily relies on jokes to carry the dialogue, which probably didn't do wonders for the localization. Edna was a highlight as far as that goes. Most of the jokes are probably Japanese memes, so they're kinda used to voicing them. The japanese cast probably also has more experience.Thrashinuva said: Zestiria's voice actors couldn't cover up its shit writing. It's probably harder to notice if you're listening to a language you don't understand. Either that or whoever they had directing them did a shit job. The voice work itself was good, but the end result was lacking. The characters feel more like they're responding to themselves rather than to the other characters. Ironically I hate Zaveid's character but his voice acting was probably the best out of the bunch. That said Rose has them all beat in terms of experience and probably talent, I think her character just got the short end of the stick. Lailah's VA has a decent amount of experience, but the rest of the cast is fairly underwhelming. But they do have talent. Perhaps they're just inexperienced. I don't know I just found the English VA really cringe most of the time. Perhaps it is that Zestiria has bad writing but if it does the Japanese voice acting does a pretty good job at hiding it. |
| Demo for the game came out today. Only played it to see what the battle system was like and it's awesome. I found that the combat system in Berseria improves upon the one in Zestiria in every way imaginable. I really like how artes are now assigned to the face buttons. Kinda got bored of Zestiria mainly because I felt like the story wasn't going anywhere and I also didn't like how empty the world was. Might go back to it someday but for now I am really hyped for Berseria. |
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| downloading the demo... Wanna finish Zestiria before starting this new one. Edit: Battle system is quite fun and pretty frenetic. Though I admit I'm kinda tired of the standard Tales fare. Hopefully this offers up something a little different. |
emeth_asherJan 10, 2017 4:46 PM
| Just played the demo . Velvet and Eizen are amazing in combat . The combos are great and satisfying . I just like using velvet's daemon arm, amd Eizen's wings are so badass. Camera is just fine and the combat flows well. I also got to see Eizen and Rokuro's funny conversation about women. |
Shishou_23Jan 11, 2017 8:15 AM
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| Playing the demo right now and dang it, they kept that awful equip system from Zestiria. Well I guess it's understandable since it's in the same world as Zestiria and still has normins but ugh, I hated dealing with it. I did like how the skits are now though and the text is actually readable now and it's nice there's a bit more to them. The ones in the demo were pretty dang long though. Past games I've had to sit closer just to read them. I should probably go finish Zestiria but it feels unlikely to happen, I guess I'll just rely on the 2nd half of the anime to do that for me. |
| I love this game. I been hyped for it. I beat the Japanese PS3 version now I'm still waiting for the CE on the PS4 that i pre ordered <3 |
| Played the demo. Equipment is confusing and offers no explanation. It seems to be different from Zestiria in some regards but that remains to be seen. Outside of battle areas feel small and your character moves slow. At least you can switch to Not Sorey Velvet. Battle system felt like they were on to something but completely failed at it. Guy with a cool katana doesn't even use his cool katana and instead opts for some puny daggers. Some little kid literally uses Lailah's weapon. All the characters feel the same, just with different visuals and elements. I'll probably get it.... eventually. Not too eager about this one. Voice acting is sub-par. Demo gives the feeling that the writing overall is probably bad. I don't know what they're doing to this series anymore. |
| It has my interest. If the reviews are good I'll buy it during the Steam Summer Sale. |
| So I've been considering getting Berseria on Steam since it's on sale. I couldn't finish Zestiria and it's been on hold in my library for over a year now, I've seen a lot of positive reception for this game in general, Is it worth getting? |
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| I love this game. I have the PS4 Collector's Edition, hell i still wouldnt mind getting the Japanese PS3 edition. |
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