Steins;Gate Episode 16 Discussion

Rewatching this 10 years later and this episode still destroys me. Daru and Suzuha's "reunion" so to speak devastated me. best episode, no question. Suzuha is the best character in the series.

While there were hints that Daru was Suzuha's father, my response was ewww Daru was hitting on her in the past couple of episodes.

Also, there were some issues with the logic of the show in this episode. We know the future Daru invented the time machine but I"m impressed his past self was able to sort of fix it. Granted the machine failed at the end but just the idea that Daru was able to somewhat re-activate a piece of technology from the future within a 2 day span seems implausible (yes I know the show uses anime logic but still I feel the story should be grounded on some sense of realism).

When she went back in time and recovered from her amensia, she would have been around 30+ years older. Shouldn't this have changed history so that none of the characters remember who she is since she would have never met them as a young girl.

And if all Okarin had to do to fix things is send a D-mail to allow Suzuhu to leave in the time machine before the storm damages it, then couldn't he have just sent a D-mail telling himself to not send that pager message to Ruka's mother to not eat vegatables so that he would still have the IBN computer.

Lastly, after receiving Suzuha's letter, the story just felt rush cuz he just sends a D-mail and then he goes to Suzuha's place and finds out she died from illness and not suicide. It just felt like this sequence just flew by w/o giving time to elaborate on the consequences of Suzuha succeeding her mission.

No. She was not "around". She committed suicide in 2000 after she recovered her memories.

And the characters still meet her in 2010 as a young girl. The young girl isn't from 1975. This is still a worldline heading towards SERN's dystopia, so Suzuha will come from 2036 to 2010.



No, that's not how it works. Once you send a D-Mail and the worldline changes as a result of it, as shown in the show, on the new worldline the D-Mail was never sent, but only received. So no, Okabe cannot tell himself "hey do not send this D-Mail", when that D-Mail was never even sent on this worldline.



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They say it is similar to the PhoneWave

@SciADV_Maniac No, that's not how it works. Once you send a D-Mail and the worldline changes as a result of it, as shown in the show, on the new worldline the D-Mail was never sent, but only received. So no, Okabe cannot tell himself "hey do not send this D-Mail", when that D-Mail was never even sent on this worldline.

But isn't that what happened in the episode, he literally sent a D-mail to allow Suzuha to leave before the storm caused the time machine to malfunction.

No, that isn't the same thing at all.

He sent himself a D-Mail to NOT follow Suzuha on that night. He DID follow her (due to a previous D-Mail), and then he told himself to NOT do this.

This is different than telling himself to not send a D-Mail, when he did not sent a D-Mail originally (the previous D-Mail was only received in the current worldline). He cannot tell himself to not do something which he didn't even do anyway

@SciADV_Maniac But thats more or less what I meant, he can send a bunch of D-mails to fix the mess he created. He can just get the IBN back by reverting Ruka back into a boy because after that D-mail was sent, the IBN computer disappeared.

Yes, he can. But he cannot specifically send "please don't send D-Mails" what you suggested. So I cannot see the issue here.

@SciADV_Maniac When I said don't send D-Mails, I was merely implying that he can send D-mails to fix all the changes that he made and it was very obvious this was what I was referring to because I then wrote that he can send D-mails to prevent Ruka from becoming a girl (which is now obvious that this is will most likely happen). You are just getting on my case by nit picking my phrasing.