AirConditioner said: Genkii said: I really really cannot wait for Nero fest so we can do all sorts of crazy experimentations with Skadi and Quick. Chances of Nerofest actually happening at this point seem pretty unlikely. This event lasts till the 19th, and they still have Halloween 2017 rerun to do before Halloween 2018. Halloween rerun's gonna take up anywhere from late September to mid October, leaving Halloween 2018 to run from mid~late October to late October~early November. The purpose of Nerofest is primarily to just buy for time until new content is being created and give a break to the devs after packed June~August time period, and Fate/Zero collab rerun already fills that purpose so...   TT_TT Hopefully they sneak it in there. I'd take Nerofest over the Halloween rerun, and I didn't even get Mecha Liz last year. Well, yeah, he's pretty good. Still not touching his rate-up with a 10-foot pole. |
| What I got from that video was, if you have Okita saber diarmuid will not add much to your team. And judging by the conversation here, quick based servants aren't really anymore broken than the others even with Skadi. Basically, no point to roll for him specifically. But no harm if he shows up out of the blue too unless you were targeting something else. I know I won't bother rolling for him; unless I never get Waver by the time of the rerun in NA I will not roll on FZ banner in general. |
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| i mean dude isn't limited so he will forever have the chance to spook you anyways his first skill has the same problem as jack, cept worst stats, but a general attack up tho second skill is ok, third would have been better if it was actually a focking np charge instead of generation rate up when he has one focking arts card still, tho 4 hits on those quick damn np is shite >removing def buffs after damage, cause fck you |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| @mira-pyon Arts cards, are the only cards that can do both high damage w/ crits and gen a lot of NP. The point was that Quicks can natively do this thanks to them generating their own stars. Arts need to rely on CasGil and/or plenty of 2030s to be able to consistently crit. Crit cards don't come with a Skadi on default. Only with Skadi can they do what you described, but even then Quick cards don't have good NP gen on most Servants that aren't Jack and Summer Fran. Neither do most Arts, to be honest. Very few Arts can consistently spam their NPs. If we don't count Tamamo and Skadi, the likes of Archoria and Jack are the exceptions to their card niches. Saying that most Quicks can't do this without Skadi is the same as saying that most Arts can't spam without Tamamo/Merlin. Which... yeah, I don't disagree. People got too used to using Tamamo and Merlin, they forgot that most Arts Servants are kinda crappy at what they're supposed to do best without the support. Quick cards aren't any more affected by RNG than any other cards, so giving us a Servant that eliminates RNG will just make them all rise by equal amounts. The limitation of Quicks is that the payoff is always on the next turn. Next turn you'll get the chance to do more damage and get more NP, but for now, you'll deal 0.8x the damage and gen squat NP. Also, that crit potential and all the Skadi buffs are likely to be wasted on cards and Servants that wouldn't benefit from it on that next turn. This RNG of the card's actual basic function isn't there for the two other cards. With Arts and Busters, the benefit is immediate, regardless of BB's presence. In Arts chains, you get to keep the charge on all the Servants in the chain for whenever you see fit to use. Even if you don't get the chain again next turn, you already got the reward from that turn. In Buster chains, the damage multiplier increase is in the chain itself. Even if you don't get the chain again next turn, you already got a guaranteed turn of perfect damage buffs. This is why I say BB helps with Quicks immensely. All the stars and crit potential you worked on with the perfect combination of Quick cards are there for you to reap right now. Exactly. Only 3 turns. That is not putting Quicks on equal footing to Busters and you know that. Being able to burst damage for only 3 turns, and not having any reliable form of defense and sustain is going to be really bad for any quest that's not a farming quest. With Skadi's buffs and BB locking the perfect conditions for Quicks down for 3 turns, it's more than enough for the vast majority of quests in the game. With a Skadi team, you could be standing on thin ice for a long while. Quick Servants with 3 Quick cards should accelerate that period at the start. I indeed saw how Kuro was a pain to use with BB thanks to her 2 Arts cards. It's very much a problem with Skadi's kit having zero defense or healing support, but I think that it's easy to mitigate with the right DPS choice in the party. But even after you get the right cards, the critting still has RNG tagged right on it at least for the first turn(which is still a huge 1/3 of the whole thing) - without a Quick Servant like Deermud who actually has star absorb, and without something like Golden Carp(which still only works on the first turn, so if RNG fails you then you'll have wasted 20 stars), you won't know if your Servant is going to crit like you want them to and actually make that difference. If that one card refuses to crit and you still have an enemy left on that round, your whole plan will be in shambles. That's not an issue at all, actually. A stable element of this strategy is to have a Skadi with a Golden Carp and leave BB in the back with another Golden Carp and only switch her in when the cards are right. If your hand is right in the first turn, you get 40 stars. If not, your Quick Servant should be able to get his own stars until the time is right + the 20 stars from when BB jumps in. You're assuming we have Double Skadi AND our own BB here. That's ridiculous. In the any given account, Quicks are still largely useless and BB's miracles are locked to them. That's the crux of this whole thing, though. With double Skadi + BB you get results that you CANNOT get from a double Merlin + BB (because you can't do multiple Buster NP chains that allow target switching in a row) or a double Tamamo + BB (because of the lower damage ceiling due to the lack of good crit Arts support). Is that team easy to assemble? Of course not and that was never the point. The point was that, in case you actually got a good Quick with double Skadi and BB, you get a one in a kind team that can deal the absolute best with waves, which is the current trend of quests in the game. Botato said: What I got from that video was, if you have Okita saber diarmuid will not add much to your team. And judging by the conversation here, quick based servants aren't really anymore broken than the others even with Skadi. Basically, no point to roll for him specifically. But no harm if he shows up out of the blue too unless you were targeting something else. I know I won't bother rolling for him; unless I never get Waver by the time of the rerun in NA I will not roll on FZ banner in general. Well, fan favoritism aside, it's always good to have more options. No, you don't explicitly need him if you have Okita, but sometimes you need to cut that cost by a few points to fit that one CE in and would think "if only I had that cheaper Servant who can do the thing I wanna do". It's not exactly going to be a frequent case or anything, but it has happened to me more than a few times. Though my advice is always to save for your favorites, and that's why you'll never see me wasting my quarts on him, and I don't even have a single Quick Saber. > And judging by the conversation here, quick based servants aren't really anymore broken than the others even with Skadi. Broken with Skadi? No. Useful for farming? Yes. Broken with double Skadi + BB? OH, YES. Golden_Scarlett said: i mean dude isn't limited so he will forever have the chance to spook you anyways Very true. |
astroprogsSep 8, 2018 9:18 AM
mira-pyonSep 8, 2018 11:00 AM
The sun is a deadly laser |
Golden_Scarlett said: i mean dude isn't limited so he will forever have the chance to spook you anyways I hate it |
| That's it, I give up on life :0 4 rolls and the only good thing I got was Assassin Sieg AKA Fuuma Kotarou Not even Stheno likes me. I guess I'll stick to free FP *3 servants, because I'll probably won't be rolling the SQ gacha for about three months. Btw is this CE useful or can I burn the heck outta it? I'm tired of getting spooked by it and I hate that guy anyways. http://fategrandorder.wikia.com/wiki/Primeval_Magic |
| >debuff resistance lul also i mean, hentai protag is pretty cool, as a crit star genner and support dont worry, when babylonia comes, you'll get the strongest 3 star lancer in the game :^)(minus cu and hozoin) in all honesty u have a solid team anyways :S get ozy 3rd skill to increase han's buff rate to 100% so you can get those buffs ozy's own IP and charisma, as long as its not an assassin, you will be fine if you need more F2P, shakespeare is actually good for ozy cause 1st skill and np charge skill leonidas as well for taunt and buster buff highly suggest getting a fat roman for st and support lvl ozy>hans>attila to 3rd ascension>cu>tama and mashuu with any all exp card skill orders, you probably know looking at what you already have, tho i suggest ozy 2nd skill's first |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Ahh, feelsgoodman. Would watch over and over. 10/10. |
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| k serious question is this fight even possible without memelin or stall |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| THEY GAVE LANCELOT HIS JET! |
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| That is fucking glorious! Zerklot saikou no cooru! |
| bruh |
| Finally, the only cool Zero original Servant gets his animation update |
| Goddamn it, now farming will take longer with him. I mean yaaaay. |
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I think I did Double Tama/Mashu/Artoria Archer. Finished in 15 turns or so. Well, that was the 3rd Anni. I can't remember what I did for second Anni. Spamming Artoria's NP is great as you can get around Alter's annoying NP gauge up. |
The sun is a deadly laser |
| @mira-pyon Textbook how to identify a veteran player lol |
astroprogsSep 9, 2018 1:05 PM
https://twitter.com/FGO424/status/1038820420302954497 His new NP is shorter in speed mode than his old NP |
Well, there are many ways to avoid Alter's NP, so yeah. Merlin and Skadi just help move things faster and easier. Aside from the two methods the guys posted above, there are: And finally, the One Man Saint Army Champion Staller: |
astroprogsSep 9, 2018 1:33 PM
| Lancelot Animation Update is almost perfect. It still needs PurpleEyesWTF's voice dub. But that chainsaw sfx Buster tho... If I was a girl I'd be dripping we- |
| @astroprogs I genuinely sort of lost interest in the discussion after a while, so I'll just pick the points I really want to talk about: |
mira-pyonSep 9, 2018 5:36 PM
The sun is a deadly laser |
I cheesed it with Gilgamesh, and Memelin/Waver. It's pretty straightforward. I would've loved to try out the MHXA + Double Skadi team though, but I don't have MHXA. Also that Lancelot revamp. I laughed when I saw one of his buster cards is literally Arondight Overload. |
| @mira-pyon lol Can't blame ya, this got a little dragged on. |
astroprogsSep 10, 2018 12:35 AM
| Alrighty, I found the Lancelot one: The setup is different, but the general idea is the same. The 6 mill one I'd probably lose my sanity trying to find but, iirc it was Bryn + Sigurd combi. The 1 mill crit: |
mira-pyonSep 10, 2018 11:00 AM
The sun is a deadly laser |
| In light of the new challenge quest, Skadi and Quick still needs more buffing. Not enough people respect Quick and Skadi needs to show she deserves to be ranked with Merlin, Waver and Tamamo. She is still unfortunately a joke and ridiculed. I used a friend's Skadi with her bond ce with mine and Lancelot NP'd right into 100% WITHOUT chaining. That is pathetic, it should be 200% or something. :^) |
| Challenge quest done in 2 turns with 2 Enuma Elish, and one party invincibility skill. Yawn. |
| All the QPs I got from this event only managed to get me to max 2 servants skills. Shit is expensive. Pretty sure I got like 100mil QP from this event. |
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| right, since FGO NA is in maintenance hell rn , i thought i would ask the jp players , if (and i assume there actually was) there is a 24 hr maintenance , would your daily log in streak be reset, like if you were on your 6th day, after the maintenance would you still get the ticket, and would it add a day to the consecutive log in , or is that just forever 1-2 day behind now |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Most likely gonna get reset,man. |
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| Me: *Glances at FL filled w/ NP+ Artorias* *Glances at gacha* Well 2 tickets won't ultimately make much of a difference to what I'm saving for, so might as well use em now to make myself feel better... 1st ticket, 3* Event CE 2nd ticket.... In other news, it took the combined effort of 14 mill DLs and Accel Zero to clear the last level, but I finally maxed the Summer MC:  Honestly a really useful MC. The 3rd skill in particular for Fran and Artoria Archer. |
mira-pyonSep 13, 2018 9:15 AM
The sun is a deadly laser |
| Congrats! I also maxed Summer MC while farming the event. Also managed to 10/10/10 a certain Sigurd obsessed waifu which will replace Enkidu. Still working on Skadi. |
Couldn't believe my eyes for a bit there. |
| Considering how long the maintenance was, that's pretty normal. A true authentic Japanese server experience. |
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| :whenlifegetsu: |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
Top tier meme. |
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| I am guessing nobody here cares about the new banner just like me. |
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| i would care but i already ran dried :ded: |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
Obligatory 10 roll because Shuten. EX rank luck strikes again. |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| also, using shuten on na and listening to i love aoi yuuki now |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Dropped a few tickets on the banner because I need the old man and his godly attack debuff, but of course I couldn't get anything. |
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| >nerofest is hard >  >  lul time to acctually grail kuro after maxing kintoki herc and kuro's skill |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| i already rolled for 3 already tho :thinking: can manage 2nd day with a combo of a sumanani san + george and lancelot and hassans with nursery, the rest tho... yea |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| ...fuq. I just gave the wrong BB some Gold Fous. I love you 5* BB, but 4* is best. Damn, I think I might actually waste some rare prisms to rectify this. |
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