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Jul 31, 2009 3:46 AM
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Wow, these episodes are great fun to watch. I agree with the idea that this is a direct challenge to Lawrence by Holo. Lawrence was under the impression that he could get her to ignore the contract in Amarty won out. This was essentially Holo's way of saying "Win the challenge, yourself."

My familiarity with tropes, though, says this won't play out the way Lawrence described it. It never does. The plan that's explained on camera is the one that always fails. It's the plan that doesn't isn't revealed until it happens that works. I wonder what the complication will be, and how Lawrence will handle it.
Jul 31, 2009 4:56 AM

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who is gonna be in despair next ep, if its Lawrence , then more ep to this Amarty Arc which is not necessarily a bad thing.
Jul 31, 2009 5:06 AM

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yea Holo man Holo get it right lmao

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Jul 31, 2009 5:22 AM

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bah... horo didnt actually speak one word throughout the whole episode >:(
no horo = no love
Jul 31, 2009 6:04 AM

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J3T said:
Damn it, her name is indeed 'Holo' but I still refuse to accept it. It was a good episode, I can't wait to see how the 'duel' between Lawrence and Amati turns out.
I thought the same thing about her name. I just kept saying 'Horo' to myself to kinda get it that image out of my head.

The episode was clean though, we haven't really seen any market swaying tactics from Lawerence yet, so I was a little excited about that. There was absolutely no Horo though, just her looking fair in the window of Amarti's room.
Jul 31, 2009 6:53 AM

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Darn cliffhanger.. The next episode's title being "Wolf and Hope and Despair" doesn't really help either. Will Lawrence and Horo make up? Or will they throw another twist in before they conclude this arc? Argh

Jul 31, 2009 7:00 AM
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MRLX69 said:
Woohoooo! Early form of option pricing!
Those who understands complex financial derivatives say AYE!
Those who don't, I highly recommend "Options, futures and other derivatives" by Hull. And I always thought it was the greeks who used it first... anime proved me wrong :-P


Good episode. I think Horo didn't overreact. I also think Horo might be playing with him a little bit, since he was so over confident that Horo will go with him, she might want to put him on his toes a little bit.


Thales is commonly credited with inventing the futures option.

Medieval Europe did see some financial innovations from the Knights Templar, involving exchange rates and factors comparable to interest rates.

Holo is apparently accustomed to males who are a lot more macho and forceful than Lawrence. Therefore she seems to feel the need to put him through hell.
Jul 31, 2009 7:14 AM
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noteDhero said:
Honestly, Holo (I guess now that it's canon) is being a big mooch. Game or not, she's just not worth the trouble, so I don't care who wins or looses. Though I was pretty neutral on my stance regarding Amati, after this episode, I kind of don't like him...so a great fantasy of mine would be that Lawerence suckers him for all the money he can get, shove Holo off to him, pick up Deanna or some random girl, and just leave the city. Not a bad episode.


Holo isn't worth the trouble for any man who is aggressive enough to please her. She wants some macho wife-beating bad boy, apparently.

However, Lawrence is just enough of a gambler and a strategist to try to score with a crazy high-maintenance chick. Lawrence, perhaps, just doesn't want to settle down with the girl who wanted to open a store, and he doesn't want to hire prostitutes. Lawrence wants a *challenge*. He wants a woman who is an adventure.

He should have been more careful about what he wished for...
Jul 31, 2009 8:18 AM

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The make up sex is coming amirite guys? xD

Jul 31, 2009 9:10 AM

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PandaPuff said:
The make up sex is coming amirite guys? xD


that would be quite the sight.

Amarty bugs. Glad that the scene where Horo and him are about to "kiss" are just a figment of Lawrence's imagination. Hope things turn out well next episode.
Jul 31, 2009 9:12 AM
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It's clear how all this will end but how they reach the conclusion through Lawrence's intricate plan is quite interesting/entertaining.

@PandaPuff, of course the make up sex is coming... hopefully Holo will be gentle with Lawrence.
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Jul 31, 2009 9:28 AM

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after what they have been through i am pretty sure she is getting back at him for not telling her after all this time. in the end she'll say it was all a joke.
Jul 31, 2009 10:20 AM
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I can't stand that Amarty kid, he's like some self-righteous bitch. I hope Lawrence pwns his ass.
Jul 31, 2009 10:33 AM

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Well, he does have a reason to be self-righteous. Lawrence and... holo have been telling everyone that she is basically a poor, defenseless woman forced to "work" (i'm sure the implication that it is more than just traveling with him is there) for the evil Lawrence because of her debt. She is even a nun. So if Amarty has feelings for holo, from what he thinks he knows of their situation, of course he won't like Lawrence and will think he is the knight coming to her rescue.

Thinking more about it, Holo is probably pissed that Lawrence is obviously embarrassed by her company when with his fellow traders. If i remember right, when he got the information about her village, i think that was the reason he told he that he was going alone.
Jul 31, 2009 2:06 PM
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iday12 said:
Is it just me or do all of these episodes seem to fly by in five minutes?


I swear they are only 5 minutes ;p Usually i sit down watch the Intro with its relaxing tunes and then suddenly its over and i have to stand up again to stop before preview comes. Also funny that legal notice (in japanese no less!)

Aside that - I don't see why Amarty accepted that credit trading deal, every third rate trader could see that this is a very dangerous trade - he is increasing his opponents leverage without gaining anything from it. Its a fools trade with fools gold, also trade with fools gold was usually punished in the medieval times. Especially the church didn't like it (because apart from fooling buyers it also spreads paganism), so no sane trader would touch Pyrite.
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Jul 31, 2009 2:27 PM

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:( I want Lawrence to break down in a colorful confession next episode :D lol

That scrolling text was annoying, Mazui translated the first one correctly, second one was made fun of (I lol'd), but the first translation they used was pretty much correct. I guess Brains Base just can't handle their work being distributed on intarwebs? Well, they're not well known anyways, Lol.

Jul 31, 2009 2:34 PM

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Needs more Horo.
Intresting episode though. Loved all the angry faces Lawrence made.
iday12 said:
Is it just me or do all of these episodes seem to fly by in five minutes?
Yeah, I was surprised when ED came on.
Jul 31, 2009 3:13 PM

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PandaPuff said:
The make up sex is coming amirite guys? xD


Lol.
Jul 31, 2009 10:36 PM

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Yakumo_Fujii said:
Amarty goes DOWN!!! After having seen this ep I got my hope in Lawrence back! He will defnetly pull off some big thing and smash Amarty. I cant stand that girlish looking guy anyway.
Aug 1, 2009 12:16 AM

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Great stuff, look forward to the master plan in action >:D
Aug 1, 2009 2:12 AM
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<--- can't help but hating amarty...
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Aug 1, 2009 10:57 AM

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Amarty !
KILL... HIM... !>_<
Aug 1, 2009 2:11 PM

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Yup, i agree, he should dieee...
I hope there will be more "Horo time" in the next ep ;p
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Aug 2, 2009 7:34 AM

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Very helpful episode, Lawrence was able to think things through and made a plan... problem is if that plan would blow in his face again :)

Will have to wait for one more week to know what will happen next :D

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Aug 2, 2009 8:06 AM

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I miss Horo, hope Lawrence gets her back soon.
Aug 2, 2009 9:47 AM

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I lol'd when you saw Holo's signature as "Holo" and Lawrence was surprised and jumped.

I imagined 95% of the watchers having the same reaction.

Great episode, and it's looking good. Since I've watched episode 1/2's 'next episode' thingies (iirc), I noticed they make the next episodes look very different than what it really is, so I'm glad I stop at the ED (I don't like it so much so I stop at it's start).

Can't wait for next week.
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Aug 2, 2009 3:05 PM
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This can turn out interesting.
Aug 2, 2009 7:14 PM

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Nicely done. This economic tomfoolery is much more entertaining than a lot of the other contrived gambits you see in anime. I am fully hoping for and expecting a Trading Places Randolph & Mortimer Duke-style meltdown within the next couple of episodes.

I hate it when they do this though (very last scene):
Aug 2, 2009 7:48 PM

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Amarty made a good choice in refusing.
a very good point about not wanting to put his reputation and his shop's name on the line.
good thing he ended up helping Lawrence after all.
Aug 3, 2009 12:05 AM

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enkil said:
Amarty made a good choice in refusing.
a very good point about not wanting to put his reputation and his shop's name on the line.
good thing he ended up helping Lawrence after all.

I think you mean Mark. ;D
Aug 3, 2009 1:30 AM

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Horo(going to use it even tho they should it as Holo) showed up what? Twice? Other then that a good episode. Next episode should be a good one.
Aug 3, 2009 2:43 AM
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Iri said:
I hate it when they do this though (very last scene):

Sorry, I'm not entirely sure what's wrong.
Aug 3, 2009 11:25 AM
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The moon is a half circle and you can see stars behind it

Unless the moon started going transparent outside, they simple didn't bother to block out the background where the sphere of the planetoid would actually be

Also, the moon glow is the ultra lazy kind of moon glow, given the graphics up to that point, googling a nasa image of the moon and "making it more animish" wouldn't have been THAT hard . because you know.. you actually do see the moon surface when its lit

But seriously, thats just a small nagging detail, i still can't wait for this series to come out every week.. damn cliffhangers!
Aug 3, 2009 11:39 AM
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Oh God, you're right! I'm a little embarrassed I didn't notice that.

Still, I don't really blame them since they probably have to turn out twelve episodes in as many weeks on what's going to be a shoestring budget, and drawing a crescent and blurring it sounds easier than getting a genuine moon picture and making sure everything works under a blue filter.
Aug 3, 2009 2:32 PM

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Jacut said:

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Average episode, I thought that the second season of S&W could still withstand an episode without Holo and be great (which the first season clearly could not) thanks to its direction and atmosphere, but in fact, no. This series is still heavily dependent on Holo and the Holo/Lawrence relationship, if you take out Holo, there is simply no enjoyment since the other aspects of the series are less interestingly developed.

Personally I have to disagree. I enjoyed this episode a lot because it concentrates on the second "main pillar" of this show, the business of a traveling merchant in medieval times. Although there was not enough Holo(Ugh!) in this episode, I really appreciate the complex transactions and trading strategies taking place. *Thumbs up*

For those who are still confused, these were the best explanatory notes so far imo (found in another forum):


PandaPuff said:
The make up sex is coming amirite guys? xD

NeloDeath said:

@PandaPuff, of course the make up sex is coming... hopefully Holo will be gentle with Lawrence.

Godel said:
:( I want Lawrence to break down in a colorful confession next episode :D lol

Aaaawww... wouldnt that be nice:



PS: But of course I missed Holo(Arrgh!) immense.
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Aug 3, 2009 3:12 PM
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FTGT said:
Aaaawww... wouldnt that be nice:

This picture amuses me no end, where did you find it?
Aug 3, 2009 5:57 PM

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I think it's not too recent, or I've seen a drawing that looks a lot like it.

Besides that, it's adorably cute, lmao.
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Aug 3, 2009 6:49 PM

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Not enough Horo D:
Looking forward to Amarty falling down next ep.
Aug 3, 2009 9:00 PM

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Needs more Horo..
I like Amarty..

No more cliffhangers please. :S
Aug 4, 2009 7:41 AM
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I liked this episode almost as much as the 3rd. Finally Lawrence has to act and fight for Holo (Horo is so much nicer :/ ). He does it his style but I'm really looking forward to how he will be overwhelmed by his feelings for her at some point in this series.
And I also loved that Holo added more fuel to the flames. I know she's playing more than scheming but I'm totally uncertain about what she'll do next. I'm curious...
Aug 4, 2009 3:03 PM

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Needs more Horo in this ep and thank god the kiss scene was just a thought.
Aug 4, 2009 9:36 PM

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I dun care! I'm gonna keep calling her Horo!


Aug 4, 2009 11:12 PM

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remember last season, Holo already hinted that, Lawrence already let god's chance slip away from his fingers a few times? All of a sudden this marriage contract reminds me of that... (although back then, he did get the 'chance' she mentioned); However, I think Holo is also taking a gamble at this situation: that, even though Lawrence was betting everything on Holo to solve this issue, she's relying on his eagerness of getting himself out of this sh-thole and get Holo back to his side;

In many episodes we do see that Holo flirted with Lawrence but somehow he bluntly shrugs them off; it's a "hint" for lawrence from holo that 'you need to take me more seriously now'.

ps. when holo mentioned that "oh yea, i do have someone that can cherish me a lot (Amarty) wouldn't she also have thought of the fact that the day of his death will be in a blink of her eye as well, just like lawrence?
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Aug 5, 2009 7:46 AM
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She implied that amarty would be easier to seduce - she wants children or atleast 1 child, not a grumpy companion who doesn't see her as a women.. eh.. wolf

I can't help but feel the close up of her signing was just to stir the pot that is her Name on the intertubes, i will call her Horo as well, and i hope so does Mazui

Also , if japanese VA says Horo, her name is Horo, not Holo (like holodeck?) Maybe the voice cast needs to get a grip and learn pronouncing L and R properly.. - Who cares what the script says, translations don't translate the script they translate what is spoken
Aug 5, 2009 6:13 PM

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I don't know why Horo got so mad, It wasn't that big of a deal. Plus, she signed a fucking marriage certificate? WHAT THE FUCK. How could you do that to Lawrence. FFS. *RAGE*

Lawrence better own Amarty.
Aug 6, 2009 4:55 AM
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Ok in a moment of absolute horror it dawned on me... what if horo slept with amarty before she signed that contract. when lawrence saw the bastard leaving the inn. i mean she did mention wanting a child during her breakdown. idk if im just scaring the hell out of myself for no reason but the idea came to me with a level of horror you cannot imagine T_T
Aug 6, 2009 5:45 AM

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^I REALLY doubt it. She got information out of Amarty to help Lawrence. When Lawrence and Amarty met up afterwards to talk, Amarty would have given it out someway since that's how he seems to be, and that same attitude would mean he wouldn't have sex with Horo before marriage (although being a young man who's blinded by illusions, that wouldn't really matter).
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Aug 7, 2009 12:31 AM

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Man oh man I can't wait to see the look on Amarty's face when the price of pyrite plummets.. or will it! and for some reason deep in the back of my mind, I still think this is one of her tricks. :D

eRe4s3r said:
Also , if japanese VA says Horo, her name is Horo, not Holo (like holodeck?) Maybe the voice cast needs to get a grip and learn pronouncing L and R properly..


But they are saying Holo, just not how someone like us would say Holo

ra, ri, ru, re, ro

Its how they say it, and understand it, so I don't see it changing any time soon, its confusing for us yeah, but to their usual audience its fine
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Aug 7, 2009 12:45 AM

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lol @ make up sex

pretty ok episode. lots of economics
Aug 7, 2009 3:31 AM

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yeha good ep. seem like things will going like plan. but i cant help but think that some trouble will show up.


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