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yurkin said:
@re1031 #261 "*HUGE FUCKING GASP*
yurkin floofs albertino dias abuhumaid
Did i not do the same thing with amai and albertinodias in little witch academia? I was townreading dias, amai was townreading dias, everyone was, but i decide to claim that amai's read on dias was a pocketing attempt."

Honestly the example given in the 2nd sentence was not significant enough for me to remember.
Do not play these game with me Re is not working.
For the reference to be fair and square you need to mention what is similar to what you do now - you compare someone else to the approach you had in some of yours past scum games, same you did with amai read on grrr.
And what are you doing now - exaggerating "huge fucking gasp"+ comparing someones play with some your past scum game.

lastwhisper31 said:
ok u think that, but good think u posted an unrealistic day 1 end, the possibility of all 4 mafia being on day 1s train is so slim. just cuz someone acts scummy doesn't make them scum, nor is it their fault. lol please reread this, and how bout don't do scummy things that mafia can abuse, and town sees those scum tells also. Again I didn't say it was the sole fault of anyone, but if ur gunna go around doing things that come off scummy for no possible purpose then yes it's ur fault for clouding our view of you.

RE1031 said:

I missed this. Okay, how about this. Forget that I did it in LWA as mafia. Do you think Ruu is justified in believing someone who is townreading the same person she is is pocketing that person? In general, I find that attempts to pocket are rarely the reason people get scumread for, not by coincidence, because they are hardly telling. So not only do I think Ruu's read on aa-dono is weak, I'm not liking the fact she's guilty of the same thing, as well as two other people.

AbuHumaid said:
Why did it annoy you? Truth hurts? x)
What I'm trying to accomplish is to get you more active, I remember you in the last game where we were scum buddies said that going offline as scum is your strategy but anyway, now that you made some posts I'll observe them and see what I can get out of them

[#348] I haven't confronted you because my tell on Ruu was a lot stronger, and I could attribute the aggressiveness to an unfamiliar playstyle. And I am, or at least I'm trying to understand why they are townreading you, because regardless if you are town or not, I don't think you did anything worth being townread over.

lastwhisper31 said:
The only time I've seen Ruu push as scum is when I was her scum buddy, and she bussed me to the ends of the Earth.

Phraze said:
lol ok so ur the inexperienced one. lay off

Phraze said:
@RE1031
u say ur trying to understand but hmm I don't see that. u just say 'there must be scum here' and didn't question any of the others besides Ruu, esp about their perspectives or anything to do with understanding them.
those posts u quoted are a questioning sequence and I'm sure they were resolved along the lines. if u say they're aggressive then yes, they are. as for whether aggression is bad, that's to opinion. I got what I wanted from those questions. is there anything suspicious of me simply for being 'aggressive'?

lastwhisper31 said:
fine let's drop this, but if Ruu flips scum, I'm coming for your booty. Yes this is pretty flip association. Fite me

Phraze said:
[edit. it also feels like ur trying to use me as a shield for u to scumread others. how droll]

aa-dono said:
;-;
Why do people like mindmelds? I want to to catch scum CP, but it's getting harder now. Agree on Kit.

yurkin said:
-the stuff is it was too early in the game for the question to be effective, at the time line where is placed makes it a question that will be answered with "idk" or "its too early to tell" - because its exactly so.
Can appreciate the intent but can't call it "true game specific question" due to its placements.
What conversation was started thanks to it for you to like it? Could you have answered it for real at that time and place?
If no then its not a good question.

RE1031 said:
Good, that's what I was hoping, because even though he's posted barely anything, I think Crossbell may be taking the blunt of the bussing this time around. (aka, I need to reread him, but I kind of think he is scum, based on his posts asking a bunch questions and not actually pushing much + I feel like Ruu may be bussing him lol).

Crossbell said:
Yeah. He was very lurky in that game. We ended up bussing him Day 1 which turned out to be a poor move in retrospect.

RE1031 said:

Because I have reason to believe Ruu is scum besides her read on you, unlike the other three who were townreading you. It's one reason coupled with several others. It's why Ruu is getting my attention as opposed to the others.
And I don't know, aggression that's not actually connected to a read on someone or a defense of oneself is pretty pointless imo. What did you gain from those questions?
I may be willing to acknowledge it as your playstyle, but not as easily as this is the first game I've played with you since Twins, and I don't remember you (or anyone, really) from that game. I am asking you, as others are, to put your vote where it'll count. Calling that request scummy/not protown doesn't help.

RE1031 said:

Are you reading my posts? You are aware I have other reasons to scumread Ruu, right? And that I'm not pursuing CP or Abu or aa-dono at the moment?

Phraze said:
how many times u played with Ruu?
I didn't have bad reasons in Senki mafia. in fact, I was right. if u don't know guess u can now, I play differently from most. @Gruffin @Kit can vouch for that. just cuz I go against the flow doesn't make me wrong, or is that what ur hoping for?

Gruffin said:
I liked RE's push on Ruu at first because I can follow her though process easily and she makes a couple good arguments on the surface. However, I don't care much for LW's jump to Ruu on 268 and really didn't like RE's response to it. @RE1031 How is your read on Ruu so strong that you didn't think to investigate LW's reasons for jumping?

Do you think the Cross train is going to last up to EoD? I'm disagreeing with you here because no one seems to be actively pushing Cross to get lynched.

Phraze said:
I see
got from those questions how the others were thinking. nothing much but I'm docking points along the way.
my playstyle tends to differ tho.. smtimes I'm aggressive and other times observant/distant pls dont expect me to be aggressive all the time haha
changing my vote means getting out of rvs, meaning I should be questioning whoever I suspect/vote. idk if I have anyone worth that option yet. everyone's talking to me regardless of my vote afterall lel

Gruffin said:
@lastwhisper31 Can confirm. Phraze is a different type of player, so we have to be careful to make sure we're lynching her because she's scum instead of because she's acting different from the rest of us.

AbuHumaid said:
self meta is scummy, don't play the "I'm always scummy, deal with it" card defend yourself with strong cases. Those what make people town read you

Crossbell said:
As town I play to get NK'd immediately so the fact that we have very different impressions on how to play town is striking to me.

Ruu said:


wth is this Bell, who does that? trying to get NK is a silly move cause once you die the fun is over. This looks fake to me.

RE1031 said:

Well, not necessarily. Your vote's on Crossbell, correct? Did you read my mini case/commentary on him? I don't mind your vote on him so much as you're not pushing him despite being wary of him.

Ruu said:


wth is this Bell, who does that? trying to get NK is a silly move cause once you die the fun is over. This looks fake to me.

RE1031 said:

I don't like Cross's posts. There are so many questions in them that seem shallow, kind of pointless, and with no direction in mind, not a lot of pushes (only one I recall was to get CP more active). Could blame inactivity for this read, and quite possibly will change, but a scumlean for now.
I like yurkin's posts. Well, recent posts, because I don't really remember the posts prior to the last 2-3 pages. I like that she agreed with me; in her #258, she doesn't just blindly agree, she adds on her own thoughts, and then pursues the read with her #260. There's nothing about her posts that gave me bad vibes to make me question my townread on her based on those two posts I linked.

Ruu said:


wth is this Bell, who does that? trying to get NK is a silly move cause once you die the fun is over. This looks fake to me.

Phraze said:
hmm not sure if this is worth pointing out

AbuHumaid said:
Vote: Ruu

I don't know if I'm being pocketed or not right now, but I like RE so far and I trust her. Her case on Ruu is on point while Ruu's defense is poor

RE1031 said:
I am, I just would rather go after Ruu? I really hate repeating myself, so do you want me to link you the posts where I am actively suspecting him? Also, I have no idea. If it's between Crossbell and someone not Ruu, I may be more inclined to switch my vote on Crossbell because he is one of my suspects.
Because I've played with Ruu countless times as town and this isn't her town game, I am almost certain. Also, I did question LW's jump. A little bit. In #271. Which I think you read and didn't like for some reason - please elaborate. How do you feel about yurkin? Even though she didn't vote Ruu, she definitely questioned Ruu as well. And I just love how you completely ignore my reasoning for thinking Ruu is scum. Well, not entirely, you say you liked my reasoning. So what is this, have you decided to ignore my case and go for how the train formed rather than actually considering that Ruu might be scum?

RE1031 said:
I'll steal this post. As scum, you are more possessive/dominant/controlling. I see this here in the bold. The first bolded part assumes dominance through diminishing someone's reads by claiming not to understand them. The second gives the impression the speaker wants to contribute, which is very misleading, not to mention just screams fake.

Wow I'm a weirdo.

RE1031 said:
As is this, because I don't see what's to like about Phraze's posts, they actually rubbed me the wrong to be honest. And I noticed aa-dono had the same exact read (#188), which is kind of bothering me, too. Phraze at this point needs a reread, since I don't remember much from her past page 3. She could be scum, or she could be town just requiring more attention from me. But those two (aa-dono and Ruu) gave a town read way too early imo, and for little to no reason.
*edited link*
**edited name**

RE1031 said:
@Gruffin
Let me get this straight. Are you suspecting me and LW to be scum together? Because we agree on the same read, which you agreed on as well?
You see where I'm going with this?

lastwhisper31 said:
and if anything her post just seems forced and just as fake, as crossbells post is to her.

Phraze said:
@Togs
vote count error. no 2 Gruffins exist

lastwhisper31 said:
Understandable, but yet again, I don't really see her has scum, so I'm not planning to place a vote on her any time soon

Gruffin said:
Yeah, I saw 271, but it looked more like acknowledgement that it was there instead of actively questioning LW's intentions.

I'll get back to you on Yurkin. I'd like to reread them later.

Your reasoning sounds good at first, like these posts:
But then I thought about your case a little more and you're not taking context into account.

For example, 275 still hasn't been addressed iirc. Why?
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I think that's a possibility, but I need to poke around a little more to be sure.

The reasons for my suspicion is more about the lack of questioning going on between you and LW.

Gruffin said:
Yeah, I saw 271, but it looked more like acknowledgement that it was there instead of actively questioning LW's intentions.

Your reasoning sounds good at first, like these posts:
But then I thought about your case a little more and you're not taking context into account.

For example, 275 still hasn't been addressed iirc. Why?

I think that's a possibility, but I need to poke around a little more to be sure.

The reasons for my suspicion is more about the lack of questioning going on between you and LW.

lastwhisper31 said:
so what do you think? I can tell you that our little interactions are not w/w. But the possibility of her trying to pocket me did cross my mind, after the whole "I'm scared of you, but I'll leave you for later".

lastwhisper31 said:
I mean if u get scum read in the end, its your and only your fault. But if your gunna talk about clearing someone with meta, then at least be correct. It ain't even about going against the grain, unless u played some game with Ruu that is the opposite of what I've seen everygame from here. I've played enough with her to say right now, this is farthest from her town style that I've seen in a while.

Gruffin said:
That's what you think! >:D

Gruffin said:
Not sure yet; that's what I'm trying to figure out.

Do you think that scum!RE would be more likely to take a more proactive approach or lay low? And do you think that she would try to fake paranoia like that?

lastwhisper31 said:
To start this off I've never played with scum!Re

Ruu said:


I know this is not directed at me but can I say that I'm trying to change my town meta because I keep getting lynch because of it? See my stats, I keep getting lynch or dying. That way of playing is not working for me. I'm trying to change but it seems my attempt will get my lynch anyways... smh.