Syndiciate said: Am I misunderstanding what a tsundre is? I thought it was basically a female character that acted bitchy to the male MC who she actually likes because she has trouble expressing her emotions. Yes, you are misunderstanding because females aren't the only tsunderes. |
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Tenshi_Shura said: Syndiciate said: Am I misunderstanding what a tsundre is? I thought it was basically a female character that acted bitchy to the male MC who she actually likes because she has trouble expressing her emotions. Yes, you are misunderstanding because females aren't the only tsunderes. Ok extending that to males would that still be the definition of tsundre? |
Syndiciate said: Tenshi_Shura said: Yes, you are misunderstanding because females aren't the only tsunderes. Ok extending that to males would that still be the definition of tsundre? Yes. That's a very simple yet correct answer and people spout all these nonsensical things about "types of tsunderes" and how Taiga isn't a tsundere. People really like to complicate their lives. |
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| I like some of them, with medium 'tsun-tsun' factor. There is also the thing with classic and modern tsundere characters, and I usually prefer the latter ones, they are just much cuter. |
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| I feel like tsundere are cats in human form. XD Any thoughts? I SWEAR IT'S TRUE. Ironic because I like puppies more than cats but love tsundere characters. |
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Chiibi said: I feel like tsundere are cats in human form. XD That makes sense cuz you'll call them, but they'll look at you like "Shut the hell up" then look away. |
| I KNOW RIGHT. XD One time I was pet sitting for someone. The cat would have nothing to do with me. But after I went to bed, I felt something warm purring on my chest. THAT LITTLE MOFO. He waited till I was unconscious to be affectionate! And I thought of.....every tsundere character ever and started laughing. |
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Chiibi said: I KNOW RIGHT. XD One time I was pet sitting for someone. The cat would have nothing to do with me. But after I went to bed, I felt something warm purring on my chest. THAT LITTLE MOFO. He waited till I was unconscious to be affectionate! And I thought of.....every tsundere character ever and started laughing. Yeah I have cats, 1 hates me, the other is a fat retard, i love them. But I completely hate tsundere characters, they piss me off. Unless Senjougahara is considere one, I really like her. |
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V4 said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: They are horrible persons. And unrealistic. Not really, to both of those. |
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Chiibi said: V4 said: And unrealistic. Not really, to both of those. But they are annoying and character deserves better, (Senjougara is an exception) |
Tenshi_Shura said: Kirino is the best tsundere. I'm serious. This |
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D-Wreckk5 said: Chiibi said: Not really, to both of those. But they are annoying and character deserves better, (Senjougara is an exception) Don't treat ALL tsundere the same!! D: Some of them aren't even violent, you know. |
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Chiibi said: D-Wreckk5 said: But they are annoying and character deserves better, (Senjougara is an exception) Don't treat ALL tsundere the same!! D: Some of them aren't even violent, you know. Maybe not physically, but emotional harm... Until they decide 'I'm done being an idiot". |
| Mostly tsundere has more serious when it comes to romance. So I don't bother, in fact I much prefer tsundere other than 3 -dere... |
Jcrisier-sanJun 7, 2015 10:34 PM
Nicoreos said: Lolitroy said: Tsunderes have become shallower over the years. Initially they were bitter and highly irritable on the outside to protect their inner insecure self, but nowadays they seem to be emotionally-inmature wenches who can't say something nice without blushing and having mood swings so intense it borders on a split personality. So sad. Not all of them, of course. A nice exception could be Mikoto Misaka or Kurisu. That argument would have made sense in 2011. The Rie tsunderes don't really dominate that stereotype anymore. But to be fair, Taiga despite being voiced by Rie is the exception to that stereotypical tsundere people always pigeonhole in. She completely changes in an entire half of the anime and although she still has her tsun tendencies, her dere begins to slowly take over. This isn't the case with Shana or Louise at all imo Urusai! Urusai! Urusai! |
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D-Wreckk5 said: Maybe not physically, but emotional harm... Until they decide 'I'm done being an idiot". Not even that. It's not about being an "idiot". It's about insecurity. They are afraid people won't accept/ love them for the actual softie that they are so they put up a front. It's cute. :O Merry is a good example of the non-violent type. She never abuses Yumeji in any way but she doesn't immediately open up to him either and is just sort of aloof until she learns it's okay to trust him. And then there are the male tsundere who do little more than childish, verbal insults towards the girl who.....most of the time just gets annoyed instead of feeling really hurt. Mostly tsudenere has more serious when it comes to romance. So I don't bother, in fact I much prefer tsundere other than 3 -dere... THIS THIS THIS!!! Another huge reason why I like them (if not the best reason to like them) They are SO. PASSIONATE. When they fall in love, they fall hard. They will do anything and everything for you....go ahead and try to tell me a tsundere would not "perform" well when they want you....(yeah. you know what I mean. XD) baka baka ecchi!! |
ChiibiJun 7, 2015 10:29 PM
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| Depends on the situation and character as a whole. It's situationaly dependent for me. They can be cute, but I hate it when it's all the time. My favorite ones are the ones that start like that and middle of the series they decide to be themselves or acknowledge true feelings. |
Chiibi said: Rie Kugimiya is increasingly becoming the go-to voice actress for diminutive, extremely violent, and flat-chested Harsh types, of which four such roles stand out (and are even produced by JC Staff): Shana of Shakugan no Shana, who routinely belittles her love interest, Yuuji Sakai, but eventually defrosts to him as she learns to be more social. Louise Francoise le Blanc de la Valliere of The Familiar of Zero, who routinely whips and insults her love interest, Saito Hiiraga, but would occasionally show moments of adorable sweetness, which increases more as she learns to get over her insecurities. Nagi Sanzen'in of Hayate the Combat Butler, who loves to use Hayate Ayasaki as her living cosplay doll (as in the Wholesome Crossdresser variety), complete with an excuse that Hayate is her butler, only to gush in private over her assumption that he dotes on her. Taiga Aisaka of Toradora! is a highly irritable girl, more so towards Ryuuji Takasu after a bad first impression. She also deconstructs this trope: her violent emotional mood swings and stature complex stem more from having a broken family than romantic issues, making her a borderline Broken Bird. Together, Shana, Louise, Nagi and Taiga are known to fans as the "Four Tsundere Wonders". There's a whole slew of tsunderes in their vein: Shana Clone. Read more: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tsundere/Anime#ixzz3cE0HdbWb Taiga is a deconstruction of the tsundere trope but yes, she's 100% tsundere because she has all the traits Type A tsundere have. Just because she doesn't display said traits with everyone she knows does not make them false. oh, wait, you meant the tsundere thing. XD Sorry....um, yes, it probably is a little uncommon to see fangirls of tsundere....but there are male tsundere too. (pretty much every shoujo series has at least one and there's one in my sig, actually XD) I like characters of both sexes though....and I love watching tsundere develop and change which is why they're my favorite type.....I find character studies in anime so very interesting. Just call me a character fanatic. Do you even read what I wrote? Like I said... This doesn't fit with Taiga at all... "The reasons behind a Tsundere's behavior vary widely, but usually boil down to the conflict between their feelings of affection towards a love interest, and their reaction to having those feelings." (from the same tvtropes page you keep using as reference) Taiga is only dere toward her love target, and tsun toward peoples who aren't love target. THIS ISN'T included in tsundere definition no matter which one you use. I don't get what's so hard to understand here. No matter the part of the definition in tvtrope you use, taiga doesn't fit at all. Tenshi_Shura said: Syndiciate said: Ok extending that to males would that still be the definition of tsundre? Yes. That's a very simple yet correct answer and people spout all these nonsensical things about "types of tsunderes" and how Taiga isn't a tsundere. People really like to complicate their lives. You're contradicting yourself here ^^". I kind of agree with that definition of Tsudnere actually, seems simple and close enough. Taiga NEVER "acted bitchy" toward the boy she loved. She also confesses her feelings right at the beginning of her story, too, again. So if you agree with that definition, you should de facto actually agree that Taiga isn't one |
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Zefyris said: Chiibi said: Taiga is a deconstruction of the tsundere trope but yes, she's 100% tsundere because she has all the traits Type A tsundere have. Just because she doesn't display said traits with everyone she knows does not make them false. oh, wait, you meant the tsundere thing. XD Sorry....um, yes, it probably is a little uncommon to see fangirls of tsundere....but there are male tsundere too. (pretty much every shoujo series has at least one and there's one in my sig, actually XD) I like characters of both sexes though....and I love watching tsundere develop and change which is why they're my favorite type.....I find character studies in anime so very interesting. Just call me a character fanatic. Do you even read what I wrote? Like I said... This doesn't fit with Taiga at all... "The reasons behind a Tsundere's behavior vary widely, but usually boil down to the conflict between their feelings of affection towards a love interest, and their reaction to having those feelings." (from the same tvtropes page you keep using as reference) Taiga is only dere toward her love target, and tsun toward peoples who aren't love target. THIS ISN'T included in tsundere definition no matter which one you use. I don't get what's so hard to understand here. No matter the part of the definition in tvtrope you use, taiga doesn't fit at all. Tenshi_Shura said: Yes. That's a very simple yet correct answer and people spout all these nonsensical things about "types of tsunderes" and how Taiga isn't a tsundere. People really like to complicate their lives. You're contradicting yourself here ^^". I kind of agree with that definition of Tsudnere actually, seems simple and close enough. Taiga NEVER "acted bitchy" toward the boy she loved. She also confesses her feelings right at the beginning of her story, too, again. So if you agree with that definition, you should de facto actually agree that Taiga isn't one Yeah, sure. Whatever floats your boat. |
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Tenshi_Shura said: Air.Zefyris said: Do you even read what I wrote? Like I said... This doesn't fit with Taiga at all... "The reasons behind a Tsundere's behavior vary widely, but usually boil down to the conflict between their feelings of affection towards a love interest, and their reaction to having those feelings." (from the same tvtropes page you keep using as reference) Taiga is only dere toward her love target, and tsun toward peoples who aren't love target. THIS ISN'T included in tsundere definition no matter which one you use. I don't get what's so hard to understand here. No matter the part of the definition in tvtrope you use, taiga doesn't fit at all. You're contradicting yourself here ^^". I kind of agree with that definition of Tsudnere actually, seems simple and close enough. Taiga NEVER "acted bitchy" toward the boy she loved. She also confesses her feelings right at the beginning of her story, too, again. So if you agree with that definition, you should de facto actually agree that Taiga isn't one Yeah, sure. Whatever floats your boat. |
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| Asuka is probably the most charming tsundere ever, She's so original. |
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Chiibi said: Kirino is the best tsundere. Kirino is the perfect example of how NOT to write a tsundere character. She was a straight-up bitch. ^^ NICE! |
| My pussy's glued to a building on fire... |
| I kind of like tsundere because the romantic comedy. But I heard Black Guy Critic from YouTube dislike Tsundere as anime clichés and traits. Rie Kugimiya was the queen of tsundere. In GinTama, Kagura's voice sound like tsundere chracters due to voiced by Rie Kugimiya. So I made the story that inspired by Christmas episode from GinTama and the Christmas special issue from Ultimate Warrior where Linkara in AT4W (Atop The Forth Wall) with featuring Spoony as special guest. Christmas Prank on Tsundere http://codegeassgundam.tumblr.com/post/119822292438/christmas-prank-on-tsundere |
MasterChiefSnakeJun 8, 2015 8:05 PM
| Ya know, I thought I liked tsundere's until I actually thought about it. Now I realize I can't even think of a single 1 I've ever liked. |
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| Only tsundere i think i still like is Senjougahara, if she is one. |
Zefyris said: Do you even read what I wrote? Like I said... This doesn't fit with Taiga at all... "The reasons behind a Tsundere's behavior vary widely, but usually boil down to the conflict between their feelings of affection towards a love interest, and their reaction to having those feelings." (from the same tvtropes page you keep using as reference) Taiga is only dere toward her love target, and tsun toward peoples who aren't love target. THIS ISN'T included in tsundere definition no matter which one you use. I don't get what's so hard to understand here. No matter the part of the definition in tvtrope you use, taiga doesn't fit at all. I think you forgot that Taiga's true love is [spoiler]RYUUJI, NOT THE GUY SHE HAD A CRUSH ON IN THE BEGINNING. And Taiga is tsun-tsun towards Ryuuji. Very much so. Geeze, man. |
ChiibiJun 9, 2015 11:09 AM
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| rarely do i enjoy the presence of a tsundere.. given that i am a moe fanatic, i'm not a huge fan of the cold-hearted and frankly, obnoxious aspect that tsunderes usually have to them -3- |
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| This person has some serious anger issues. MEDIC!!!! |
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Tenshi_Shura said: This person has some serious anger issues. MEDIC!!!! You're not helping, Tenshi. =_= I don't think you guys are aware of what "serious anger issues" actually are......but I don't have them. I'm a passionate person so I rant. That's it. Did I send you death threats? No. Did I say I was going to get even with you? No. Did I tell you to go away and leave me alone? I THINK SO. |
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Chiibi said: Tenshi_Shura said: This person has some serious anger issues. MEDIC!!!! You're not helping, Tenshi. =_= I don't think you guys are aware of what "serious anger issues" actually are......but I don't have them. I'm a passionate person so I rant. That's it. Well, passionate person, chill out a bit. There's no need for casualties. |
Chiibi said: You know, you could've spoilered that for the people who still wanted to watch that, thanks man for spoiling an anime on my PTW list.Zefyris said: Do you even read what I wrote? Like I said... This doesn't fit with Taiga at all... "The reasons behind a Tsundere's behavior vary widely, but usually boil down to the conflict between their feelings of affection towards a love interest, and their reaction to having those feelings." (from the same tvtropes page you keep using as reference) Taiga is only dere toward her love target, and tsun toward peoples who aren't love target. THIS ISN'T included in tsundere definition no matter which one you use. I don't get what's so hard to understand here. No matter the part of the definition in tvtrope you use, taiga doesn't fit at all. I think you forgot that Taiga's true love is RYUUJI, NOT THE GUY SHE HAD A CRUSH ON IN THE BEGINNING. And Taiga is tsun-tsun towards Ryuuji. Very much so. Geeze, man. Why are you totally ignoring that it's RYUUJI she was really in love with? |
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Milk_is_Special said: Chiibi said: You know, you could've spoilered that for the people who still wanted to watch that, thanks man for spoiling an anime on my PTW list.I think you forgot that Taiga's true love is RYUUJI, NOT THE GUY SHE HAD A CRUSH ON IN THE BEGINNING. And Taiga is tsun-tsun towards Ryuuji. Very much so. Geeze, man. Why are you totally ignoring that it's RYUUJI she was really in love with? Can't tell if you're being serious but fine. There's no need for casualties. There weren't any. |
ChiibiJun 9, 2015 11:11 AM
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| I'm not a fan of the 'tsundere' type. They seem annoying and weak to me. I almost liked Taiga from ToraDora, but that's about it. Yandere is a lot better. :P |
Chiibi said: Zefyris said: Do you even read what I wrote? Like I said... This doesn't fit with Taiga at all... "The reasons behind a Tsundere's behavior vary widely, but usually boil down to the conflict between their feelings of affection towards a love interest, and their reaction to having those feelings." (from the same tvtropes page you keep using as reference) Taiga is only dere toward her love target, and tsun toward peoples who aren't love target. THIS ISN'T included in tsundere definition no matter which one you use. I don't get what's so hard to understand here. No matter the part of the definition in tvtrope you use, taiga doesn't fit at all. I think you forgot that Taiga's true love is [spoiler]RYUUJI, NOT THE GUY SHE HAD A CRUSH ON IN THE BEGINNING. And Taiga is tsun-tsun towards Ryuuji. Very much so. Geeze, man. Why are you totally ignoring that it's RYUUJI she was really in love with?[/spoiler] Are you serious here? What did you do when reading/watching that show? Play a game and look at the screen/book from time to time to see what happens? Heavy spoiler toradora/ In other words, she was never "tsun" toward the boy she loved. Hence she isn't a tsundere. Come on now. I've read a lot of manga, LN, watched a lot of anime. Do you think I don't know how to recognise signs about a tsundere behaviour after all that time? Especially since I've always agreed with who is a tsudnere and who isn't with the "common opinion" on each character I've come accross, EXCEPT for Taiga. I've read the ten books. Do you seriously think that I could miss during ten books hints of her being a tsundere? Instead, I've come across hints of her NOT being a tsundere, again and again. |
ZefyrisJun 10, 2015 3:32 AM
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| Fairly new to anime compared to alot of the people here, but what I've heard Rin Tohsaka from Fate/Stay Night is considered one of the best or at least most tolerable tsunderes out there. Since I absolutely cannot stand her, I'm going to have to vote no. |
| What Kabaneri Did Wrong: - Edgelord protagonist - Special snowflake girlfriend - Giving humans powers - Failing to create a unique/memorable setting What Kabaneri Did Right: ... |
| ^Best tsundere is victorique ImO, not Rin. |
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Zefyris said: ^Best tsundere is Kirino ImO, not Rin. Fixed. |
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Zefyris said: Chiibi said: I think you forgot that Taiga's true love is [spoiler]RYUUJI, NOT THE GUY SHE HAD A CRUSH ON IN THE BEGINNING. And Taiga is tsun-tsun towards Ryuuji. Very much so. Geeze, man. Why are you totally ignoring that it's RYUUJI she was really in love with?[/spoiler] Are you serious here? What did you do when reading/watching that show? Play a game and look at the screen/book from time to time to see what happens? Heavy spoiler toradora/ In other words, she was never "tsun" toward the boy she loved. Hence she isn't a tsundere. Come on now. I've read a lot of manga, LN, watched a lot of anime. Do you think I don't know how to recognise signs about a tsundere behaviour after all that time? Especially since I've always agreed with who is a tsudnere and who isn't with the "common opinion" on each character I've come accross, EXCEPT for Taiga. I've read the ten books. Do you seriously think that I could miss during ten books hints of her being a tsundere? Instead, I've come across hints of her NOT being a tsundere, again and again. I gave Toradora my full, utmost attention because it deserved it. You don't have to use violence to be considered a tsundere. Like I said, she is a deconstruction of the tsundere type but a tsundere, regardless. From the way you talk though, if the author publicly announced "Hai. Taiga-chan wa tsundere da." you would probably argue with HIM. So I'm done. There's just no getting through to you. |
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| Thread Cleaned Last time I will clean this before I start sending bans/Locking this thread. Saying you're going to report someone = Backseat modding and is against the rules. Also, please keep your petty insults to yourself. Btw, calling someone "Chicken" is provoking the user, especially in the context I saw it in, so stop it. |
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| I watch allot of harems so tsunderes are a must, I love them, but I have seen some almost every character is a tsundere and that is where I draw my line! Chiibi said: [/spoiler]Are you serious here? What did you do when reading/watching that show? Play a game and look at the screen/book from time to time to see what happens? Heavy spoiler toradora/ In other words, she was never "tsun" toward the boy she loved. Hence she isn't a tsundere. Come on now. I've read a lot of manga, LN, watched a lot of anime. Do you think I don't know how to recognise signs about a tsundere behaviour after all that time? Especially since I've always agreed with who is a tsudnere and who isn't with the "common opinion" on each character I've come accross, EXCEPT for Taiga. I've read the ten books. Do you seriously think that I could miss during ten books hints of her being a tsundere? Instead, I've come across hints of her NOT being a tsundere, again and again. [/quote] I gave Toradora my full, utmost attention because it deserved it. You don't have to use violence to be considered a tsundere. Like I said, she is a deconstruction of the tsundere type but a tsundere, regardless. From the way you talk though, if the author publicly announced "Hai. Taiga-chan wa tsundere da." you would probably argue with HIM. So I'm done. There's just no getting through to you.[/quote]Taiga was definitely a tsundere, to kind of add, it was more than obvious that even though she always said she liked Kitamura she still blushed and got flustered when it came to Ryuji. ALSO isn't the tsundere supposed to be conflicted in terms of feelings? Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
MasterTengkorakJul 7, 2015 12:23 PM
Chiibi said: I gave Toradora my full, utmost attention because it deserved it. You don't have to use violence to be considered a tsundere. Like I said, she is a deconstruction of the tsundere type but a tsundere, regardless. From the way you talk though, if the author publicly announced "Hai. Taiga-chan wa tsundere da." you would probably argue with HIM. So I'm done. There's just no getting through to you. If you watched Toradora then you should know that the angel taiga period doesn't just mean no physical violence. Sorry but rejected. "deconstruction of tsundere " (a term that you just took out from tv tropes, it's not your personal well thought opinion) doesn't even mean anything. Or else, care to explain why in your opinion it's a deconstruction" She's a tsundere, or she's not. And in this case, you still haven't say anything else than repeating she's a tsudnere to prove it. Again, In 10 volumes I didn't see anything pointing out toward her having a tsundere personality. That "deconstruction of a tsundere" just point out that TV tropes was embarrassed in the case of Taiga, since after checking they could not really found enough to prove her a tsundere. But, heh, I know, we'll say she's a "deconstruction of it" so that no one will say anything. That sounds pretty smart and cool too". Well, no. To me that's just devoid of any real substance. Either you prove that she's one, or the proofs I said earlier points out toward her not being one. I don't think that's complicated. Just believing that she's one because others says so isn't your own opinion, and isn't proving anything. Psychoninja said: Taiga was definitely a tsundere, to kind of add, it was more than obvious that even though she always said she liked Kitamura she still blushed and got flustered when it came to Ryuji. ALSO isn't the tsundere supposed to be conflicted in terms of feelings? Sorry but, JC Staff stupidly adding blushing in places she wasn't supposed to blush and choosing Kugimiya as a seiyuu isn't going to change Taiga into a tsundere. And a tsundere isn't supposed to be conflicted about who she loves, stop trying to add supplementary characteristics that don't exist to prove something that isn't here. |
ZefyrisJun 12, 2015 1:59 AM
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| Nope. I never liked them. They are far too common nowadays, like they're almost a cliche. Most are just plain assholes with little redeeming qualities. Case in point of why I dropped watching Zero no Tsukaima after season 1. I just got sick and tired of Louise. A pretty decent show ruined by... an obnoxious tsundere that JUST HAD TO BE one of the main characters. Really, if someone had to live with a tsundere irl, they'd get their butt evicted after the first week. Probably no sane person would put up with their bs. |
| Louise it's a b'itch and not a Tsundere~ :3 |
| Follow sui-u on tumblr~ best tumblr all time!~ <3 http://sui-u.tumblr.com/ |
| I think they are overused and often used poorly but I can tolerate them if they are decent characters. |
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