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Jul 2, 2013 5:18 AM
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Guys, Just ignore the troll the more we give him clear reasons for liking the show, the more he makes dumb excuses, if he believes this show is a 3/10 then let him he has an opinion, his reasoning for being a 3/10 are bad and saying this show is worse then accel word and SAO which is complete bullcrap,let him. He will go anyway if we ignore him, and he didn't like this show why is still here? Shouldn't the hatred for this show drive him anyway? If you ask me he just being tsun tsun!
Jul 2, 2013 6:00 AM

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kitkatxz said:
Guys, Just ignore the troll the more we give him clear reasons for liking the show, the more he makes dumb excuses, if he believes this show is a 3/10 then let him he has an opinion, his reasoning for being a 3/10 are bad and saying this show is worse then accel word and SAO which is complete bullcrap,let him. He will go anyway if we ignore him, and he didn't like this show why is still here? Shouldn't the hatred for this show drive him anyway? If you ask me he just being tsun tsun!


I just responded to symbv.

"his reasoning for being a 3/10 are bad"
I gave proper explanations to why I think it deserves such a low score. I don’t see why you gave it a 9/10 though. I doubt this is close to a masterpiece even if I would have enjoyed it to full extend.
At least both AW and SAO had a plot (even though it sucked). Both had exceptional art and animation and SAO also had great music. And despite the shows being bad I enjoyed them still.
“He will go anyway if we ignore him” You’re doing it wrong then. It’s true I would not come back to this subforum if no one would start a discussion with me.
I don’t hate the show, I just don’t like it and think it was boring. A show that I hate would be Elfen Lied.
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Jul 2, 2013 6:27 AM

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Orsonius said:

I just responded to symbv.

Orsonius said:
“He will go anyway if we ignore him” You’re doing it wrong then. It’s true I would not come back to this subforum if no one would start a discussion with me.
I don’t hate the show, I just don’t like it and think it was boring. A show that I hate would be Elfen Lied.


If you're really trying to make a discussion, you're doing it wrong.
You haven't responded to snarlmane even once although he has refutet most of your arguments long ago. And now you're also ignoring Tenzen12.
And that's why I don't bother with you anymore, either. Those who refuse to listen have no right to be heard.
The only thing you do now is arguing over backgrounds, side characters and other secondary stuff (which I find rather unimportant), not to forget other shows with symbv, cause that seems to be your specialty. How convenient...
Jul 2, 2013 6:35 AM

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Naoki-Saten said:

If you're really trying to make a discussion, you're doing it wrong.
You haven't responded to snarlmane even once although he has refutet most of your arguments long ago. And now you're also ignoring Tenzen12.
And that's why I don't bother with you anymore, either. Those who refuse to listen have no right to be heard.
The only thing you do now is arguing over backgrounds, side characters and other secondary stuff (which I find rather unimportant), not to forget other shows with symbv, cause that seems to be your specialty. How convenient...


To be honest I didn't even see that snarlmane responded to my post. thanks for telling me.

"ignoring Tenzen12"
What?
Not only have I responded to him multiple times, I also contacted him directly on his page! That's just a plain lie my friend.

"The only thing you do now is arguing over backgrounds, side characters and other secondary stuff (which I find rather unimportant)"

Because there is not much to talk about. It has no plot, what am I supposed to talk about BUT what is there?
All I did was point out that I think the artwork is at best average, others had to make a big deal out of it.

All I did was point out my view and people just said "no you're wrong because..." And ever since it is a back and forth.

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Tha_Na said:
@Orsonius
Hmm, So the whole point is that you disagreed about this show get 8/10, 9/10, 10/10.And you ask why they give it 9/10 or 10/10. Then how about his answered:
Naoki-Saten said:
I gave the show a 10/10 because I PERSONALLY enjoyed every second of it, because [...]
Basically, I gave it the max score because I really really like it."

Sorry Naoki_Saten for using your post.


Because I hate people who just rate things on "enjoyment"
There is an enjoyment section within the ratings (at least when you write a review). You can vote that 10, but everything else is voted individually.
I can't argue with peoples taste, but I generally think that people give out 10/10s waaaaay to easy just based on how happy they were after they finished the show.

If you ask me, many of those people would agree that other shows they also gave a 10/10 did things much much better.
This is how you properly vote:

Take a bunch of shows and align them next to eachother.
Judge each category based on what the other shows did.
Pick the stronges in each category and the weakest in each cagetory.
Rate them based on how well they did on these aspects.

For example:
Pick the best looking show you know.
Pick the worst looking show you know.
Compare a third show how it compares to those.

I honestly don't think people who have seen more than a bunch of school anime can say that Yahari is a 10/10 in animation and art. It would mean it's the best looking as it can get.

I hate this hypocrisy and dishonesty.
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Jul 2, 2013 7:05 AM
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Orsonius said:

To be honest I didn't even see that snarlmane responded to my post. thanks for telling me.


This is somewhat true. My first big response wasn't necessarily directed at this guy. It was more of a board control post. However, certain things could be applied to things Orsonius has said.

My second big post was directed at him, but it consisted of short replies. So no one can blame him for not replying to it.

Also in both posts I inserted lines that made it clear (or at least I thought it did) that I didn't want people replying to me. So, don't blame him for that. I just don't like pointless internet arguing. I'll defend something I like, sure, but not when it's a waste of time.

Like I said before, everyone is free to have their opinion on this show. But stating that this show has poorly written characters, no story etc. and focusing on things like background, art and music etc. shows that you didn't get the show. Which is fine. Just don't impose your opinion on others or demean others for liking it and seeing things you didn't pick up on.

Also, I apologize for breaking my word and replying yet again, although I consider this to be yet another board control/setting things straight - post. So meh.

Now if you'll excuse me, I gotz otherz stuffz toz doz.
Jul 2, 2013 7:16 AM

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snarlmane said:
Orsonius said:

To be honest I didn't even see that snarlmane responded to my post. thanks for telling me.


This is somewhat true. My first big response wasn't necessarily directed at this guy. It was more of a board control post. However, certain things could be applied to things Orsonius has said.

My second big post was directed at him, but it consisted of short replies. So no one can blame him for not replying to it.

Also in both posts I inserted lines that made it clear (or at least I thought it did) that I didn't want people replying to me. So, don't blame him for that. I just don't like pointless internet arguing. I'll defend something I like, sure, but not when it's a waste of time.

Like I said before, everyone is free to have their opinion on this show. But stating that this show has poorly written characters, no story etc. and focusing on things like background, art and music etc. shows that you didn't get the show. Which is fine. Just don't impose your opinion on others or demean others for liking it and seeing things you didn't pick up on.

Also, I apologize for breaking my word and replying yet again, although I consider this to be yet another board control/setting things straight - post. So meh.

Now if you'll excuse me, I gotz otherz stuffz toz doz.


I have no problem to talk to you more directly through comments or pm if you like, since apparently I didn't "get" the show. You can tell me what I didn't get because frankly I wanna know.
I wanna know if I was stupid if I was stupid.

I read your initial post briefly but it wasn't really any big revelation, more like - in depth interpreting.

Despite how smart the show might have been though my enjoyment was still low, just to make that clear.
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Jul 2, 2013 8:58 AM
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Orsonius said:

Despite how smart the show might have been though "my enjoyment was still low"


I know. I've seen it in several of your posts. That's exactly the problem here. You didn't like it. Maybe you did pick up on all of the things others enjoyed. Maybe you did get it. Maybe you experienced everything the same way I did, but came to the conclusion that it was unimpressive. Which is why I keep on repeating that if that's the case, it's fine. It did nothing for you. You've seen other shows do the same but better. No problem.

There is nothing I or anyone else can say to convince you otherwise. I could write a 10 page essay about why this show is great and you'd still shrug it off. Which is exactly why I don't want to argue about it. It serves no purpose. You didn't connect to the show... big deal.

Here let me post something controversial to prove how terrible my taste is.
Cowboy Bebop, a show almost everyone agrees is a master piece or at the very least enjoyable. I don't care about it. I've watched the first 5 episodes. Stopped. Then I thought, maybe these first 5 weren't so hot, maybe it gets better, continued watching until 8. Had to stop again. No connection whatsoever. I'm at episode 12 right now, and my god, the only thing I find enjoyable is Faye Valentine's fan service.
I just can't connect to these characters or anything else. Does this give me the right to go over to CB threads and post why other people have bad taste because they like something I don't? Well, nothing is stopping me from doing this, but why would I do it? What point is there in me going there and saying they have to prove to me why the show is great? They could point out all the scenes that left a life changing impression on them and I'd be like... oh yeah, I saw that too, didn't think too much of it. So... what the F? Why, what, where, how etc.? Sigh. I hope you're getting what I'm trying to say.

Another example would be Monty Python. A lot of people can agree that this is one of the best comedy groups EVAR and that their work has some of the best comedic writing till this day. Just like with CB, I didn't care about it. I got all the jokes and I understood why it was supposed to be funny and occasionally smirked here and there, but it just wasn't for me.

Does this make me stupid? Or have terrible taste? I guess. It doesn't mean someone else can't enjoy it and I shouldn't expect that person to tell me why these shows are great while I'm covering my ears, screaming "lalalala can't hear you, show sucks bro".

The problem a majority of us have, is when you post things like this:

Orsonius said:

without offering anything significant to anyone.

I can't understand why it gets 10/10s 9/10s and 8/10s for everywhere.

People who give this 10/10 probably don't understand what a masterpiece is and have probably never seen an atleast good looking anime, or an anime with an actual story.


Yeah, that shit don't fly here cowboy.

Which is exactly why I wrote things like:

snarlmane said:

Hey, hey, gaiz, remember how a few pages ago I said that not everyone would "get" this show? Yeah, good times.

How about we respect everyone's opinion, positive or negative, and not let other people's opinions sway our own views on this show (and other things in life).


(It was at this moment that I noticed people were starting to call things retarded etc.)

snarlmane said:

So please, do not say that nothing happened. You just didn't pick up on them.

The reason why I think people will have a problem with actually letting it go is because Hachiman is a perfect example of a self-insert character (because of how realistic he is). Some people will feel that when you insult/demean Hachiman (or the show), you're actually personally attacking their life experiences as well (because they can relate to them).


(My reason why fanboys, such as myself, will defend this show and why you have been on the receiving end of such negativity. I apologize for that.)

snarlmane said:

I dunno man, it seems like you're the type of person who dislikes something because it gained popularity, then "chooses to barge into a discussion forum to show off how superior your opinion is and that everyone should agree with your taste".


(Yeah, go re-read some of your comments, there's a reason I wrote this down, as douchey as it was)

And this time I really am signing off, I'm going outside to shoot some hoops. I hope... eh... that we can all get along... *turns on Hayato charm*
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snarlmane said:

Another example would be Monty Python. A lot of people can agree that this is one of the best comedy groups EVAR and that their work has some of the best comedic writing till this day. Just like with CB, I didn't care about it. I got all the jokes and I understood why it was supposed to be funny and occasionally smirked here and there, but it just wasn't for me.


I like this quote. People can appreciate a show for what it is and understand the consensus viewpoint, but still be true to themselves and say "nah, not my cup of tea."

This is how I feel about Yahari Ore in the end. I appreciate the show for what it is, and I can certainly see why it's getting the praise it does; but, something about it just screams "not my cup of tea."

At least, I will give the show this, unlike some shows, I don't regret watching it.

Of course, I'm happy for the people that really enjoyed the show.
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doubt we will get a 2nd season,which is sad,as i really enjoyed it even the last episode.
would've wished hayama..(forgot his name again..blondie)got injured somehow though...
good sales + LN being released every 4 months.. this = season 2 in 2-3 years.
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snarlmane said:

There is nothing I or anyone else can say to convince you otherwise. I could write a 10 page essay about why this show is great and you'd still shrug it off. Which is exactly why I don't want to argue about it. It serves no purpose. You didn't connect to the show... big deal.


I’m pretty happy with this. So I leave it at that-

snarlmane said:

Here let me post something controversial to prove how terrible my taste is.
Cowboy Bebop, a show almost everyone agrees is a master piece or at the very least enjoyable. I don't care about it. I've watched the first 5 episodes. Stopped. Then I thought, maybe these first 5 weren't so hot, maybe it gets better, continued watching until 8. Had to stop again. No connection whatsoever. I'm at episode 12 right now, and my god, the only thing I find enjoyable is Faye Valentine's fan service.
I just can't connect to these characters or anything else. Does this give me the right to go over to CB threads and post why other people have bad taste because they like something I don't? Well, nothing is stopping me from doing this, but why would I do it? What point is there in me going there and saying they have to prove to me why the show is great? They could point out all the scenes that left a life changing impression on them and I'd be like... oh yeah, I saw that too, didn't think too much of it. So... what the F? Why, what, where, how etc.? Sigh. I hope you're getting what I'm trying to say.


Hey I don’t like it either, so you’re not alone. Not even Fayes fanservice.
I had the same problem with it as with Yahari, but I think Yahari is not a cowboy bebop. I have less trouble understanding why people like cowboy bebop than why people think a school anime is that great. But yeah I’m repeating myself.

I know many people who don’t like monty python, though I do.
snarlmane said:

The problem a majority of us have, is when you post things like this:

Orsonius said:

without offering anything significant to anyone.

I can't understand why it gets 10/10s 9/10s and 8/10s for everywhere.

People who give this 10/10 probably don't understand what a masterpiece is and have probably never seen an atleast good looking anime, or an anime with an actual story.


Yeah, that shit don't fly here cowboy.

Which is exactly why I wrote things like:

snarlmane said:

Hey, hey, gaiz, remember how a few pages ago I said that not everyone would "get" this show? Yeah, good times.

How about we respect everyone's opinion, positive or negative, and not let other people's opinions sway our own views on this show (and other things in life).


(It was at this moment that I noticed people were starting to call things retarded etc.)

snarlmane said:

So please, do not say that nothing happened. You just didn't pick up on them.

The reason why I think people will have a problem with actually letting it go is because Hachiman is a perfect example of a self-insert character (because of how realistic he is). Some people will feel that when you insult/demean Hachiman (or the show), you're actually personally attacking their life experiences as well (because they can relate to them).


(My reason why fanboys, such as myself, will defend this show and why you have been on the receiving end of such negativity. I apologize for that.)

snarlmane said:

I dunno man, it seems like you're the type of person who dislikes something because it gained popularity, then "chooses to barge into a discussion forum to show off how superior your opinion is and that everyone should agree with your taste".


(Yeah, go re-read some of your comments, there's a reason I wrote this down, as douchey as it was)

And this time I really am signing off, I'm going outside to shoot some hoops. I hope... eh... that we can all get along... *turns on Hayato charm*


Just one lasting word.
I liked Hachiman right from the start, I even thought “OMG no! They will change this great character to a normal idiot like everyone through the power of love and friendship.”

But that didn’t happen. Though it was just that his personality wasn’t enough to keep me interested in what happened.
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Tengai said:
Season 2 is probably 1-2 years from now.Seriously why does it takes so much time to make season 2 in every anime. Even highschool dxd 15 MONTHS before season 2 considering the fact that it is famous. SOMEONE TELL ME


Not only this. In fact, we'd be lucky if they released a second season in one or two years; I guess you guys know what it means to be under the Brains Base label -cough cough endless waiting for Durarara!! anyone?-.

About the episode, it was a 'meh' for me. Nothing impressive at all but I'd be a liar if I said it wasn't fun, plus if it had ended with something stronger the waiting for season 2 would have been extremely painful.


Yes waiting for a season 2 has always been painful but it can't be helped. I don't even know why does it always take so long even if there is enough material.
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I enjoyed watching this show, and won't object to a second season :>
8/10
Jul 2, 2013 2:48 PM

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Great episode, but this final episode was not that great imo.
This was a very good show indeed, but the target audience is probably too small to get enough ¥ for a second season, and there is also the lack of fan service that usually means easy ¥.
7/10.
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Was enjoyable overall, an interesting series and a pretty good romcom.
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This discussion will lead to nowhere . It's simple to see if it will lead somewhere by knowing how one and the other rate . I , sometimes , try to compare animes but I dont really find any common points other than the technical ones which basically kills my joy of anime . It's similar to think that a game is nothing but some pixels and some fast scripts , I know it is true but thinking that way , for me , it just kills it . It 's similar to think that you exist only to die , only a pesimist would live by that .
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Orsonius said:
To be honest I didn't even see that snarlmane responded to my post. thanks for telling me.

"ignoring Tenzen12"
What?
Not only have I responded to him multiple times, I also contacted him directly on his page! That's just a plain lie my friend.


I was referring to his last post where he adressed Hyouka in detail. I was curious to see how you respond to that, so I was rather disappointed when you didn't. So you've written your answer on his profile page. My bad, didn't expect you to respond there.
But surely you won't hold it against me for jumping to conclusions after so many coincidences...

On a side note, if you ever feel like addressing me directly, please don't write on my profile page. I like to keep discussions to forums and messages since it'd be hard to reconstruct otherwise.

Orsonius said:
"The only thing you do now is arguing over backgrounds, side characters and other secondary stuff (which I find rather unimportant)

Because there is not much to talk about. It has no plot, what am I supposed to talk about BUT what is there?


And that's exactly why you have that omnious 'enemy' tag ever since you entered this thread. It's not like there is no plot or no character development or whatever else's existence you denied.
Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Obviously, you can't see it because you don't quite get this show.
So please don't blame your ignorance on the series.

I watched all of "Kino no Tabi" but I still didn't understand it. I know there's some moral behind it and that the way the stories were executed had a merit and I would even go as far as to claim that the series surely has a lot of value literature-wise. But I just don't get it.
Therefore, I didn't rate it. I can't rate something I didn't understand and neither do I have a right to do so.

Orsonius said:
Because I hate people who just rate things on "enjoyment"
There is an enjoyment section within the ratings (at least when you write a review). You can vote that 10, but everything else is voted individually.
I can't argue with peoples taste, but I generally think that people give out 10/10s waaaaay to easy just based on how happy they were after they finished the show.

If you ask me, many of those people would agree that other shows they also gave a 10/10 did things much much better.
This is how you properly vote:

Take a bunch of shows and align them next to eachother.
Judge each category based on what the other shows did.
Pick the stronges in each category and the weakest in each cagetory.
Rate them based on how well they did on these aspects.

For example:
Pick the best looking show you know.
Pick the worst looking show you know.
Compare a third show how it compares to those.

I honestly don't think people who have seen more than a bunch of school anime can say that Yahari is a 10/10 in animation and art. It would mean it's the best looking as it can get.

I hate this hypocrisy and dishonesty.


This would be your second-greatest misconception. It's not that I rated Oregairu in animation, art and music and claimed it deserved a 10 in each of those departments. I suppose neither did most people here.
I just couldn't care less about animation and art. Hyouka bored me to tears but I was still not bored enough to study the backgrounds like you did. Everyone keeps saying how School days had a miserable animation quality compared other shows, but I never noticed that.
Music is not much different. It's just an extra. If it's really bad, then I guess it would negatively influence my experience. If it's really good then it's kind of a nice thing. But if it's somewhere between those two then I simply don't pay attention to it.

Yet you act like you're some kind of art snob who has to meticulously study a painting because you need to decide whether or not to bid 50 million more for it in an auction.
Sorry, that's not my thing. I don't take my Anime apart and assign numbers to it's aspects according to some weird rulebook that's been written by strangers. Especially to aspects I couldn't care less about. Actually, that's why I don't write reviews either.
I actually try to enjoy the show. And if I don't enjoy it, I couldn't care less about how famous the artist is or how pretty the backgrounds or how elaborate the side characters were. But I wouldn't go and pick a fight with it's fanbase either.

So how come you care so much about how I rate Anime on MY list? Who gave you the right of criticizing MY ways?
I realize that Clannad is on a way different level from Oregairu despite my giving both of them a 10. Yet I still enjoyed it more than the shows I gave a 9 to. That's it. What part of that is dishonest or hypocritical?
I realize my ratings are purely subjective and I find nothing strange about it. As I already said, I won't go pushing my opinions on others.

Orsonius said:
since apparently I didn't "get" the show. You can tell me what I didn't get because frankly I wanna know.
I wanna know if I was stupid if I was stupid.


I know this question was not directed at me but allow me to comment on it nevertheless.
If you truly want to understand the show better, then the appropriate course of action would most likely be to recall certain scenes and think about them. Ask yourself if you actually interpreted them correctly, since you seem to have misunderstood a few things. Think about why the situations turn out the way they did and why the characters act the way they do.

For example, you were wondering why everyone is making such a fuss about that totally unimportant school festival. In fact, nobody was. The festival itself didn't matter much. What the characters fought for were their ideals.
Yukino was acting upon her belief that someone as skilled as her had to take up as much work as possible since that would yield the best results. She was asked to help out, which she did.
Hachiman, who looked up to Yukino didn't like the idea of Sagami slacking off yet getting all the credit while Yukino worked herself sick. And the most important thing to him was to not let Yukino's hard work go to waste.
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Orsonius said:
Naoki-Saten said:

If you're really trying to make a discussion, you're doing it wrong.
You haven't responded to snarlmane even once although he has refutet most of your arguments long ago. And now you're also ignoring Tenzen12.
And that's why I don't bother with you anymore, either. Those who refuse to listen have no right to be heard.
The only thing you do now is arguing over backgrounds, side characters and other secondary stuff (which I find rather unimportant), not to forget other shows with symbv, cause that seems to be your specialty. How convenient...


To be honest I didn't even see that snarlmane responded to my post. thanks for telling me.

"ignoring Tenzen12"
What?
Not only have I responded to him multiple times, I also contacted him directly on his page! That's just a plain lie my friend.


That's actualy true, Orsonius indeed contacted me directly (though I didn't noticed it until now as I rarely visit my profile) and while it was directed only on comparisson where I was explained how I couldn't get Hyouka depts and general part of post prior that totaly leaven out he did reacted. I will do it too through PM,
and if you @Naoki are interested tell me and I will send you copy of it.

Orsonius said:
Naoki-Saten said:
"The only thing you do now is arguing over backgrounds, side characters and other secondary stuff (which I find rather unimportant)"


Because there is not much to talk about. It has no plot, what am I supposed to talk about BUT what is there?
All I did was point out that I think the artwork is at best average, others had to make a big deal out of it.


Everyone else spend hundreds of pages talking about stuff that never existed than. What about read these threads and actualy try understood what that show is about. Every bigger arc had own plot and all of it is connected by proper character development and exploration, which you obviously missed and aren't able aknowledge as own lack of own perception

If you didn't got show, it's nonsense trying rate it according superficial issues instead

And btw one guy of twelve can be hardly considered as "others" especialy if eleven real "others" mentioned shortcomings of animation without any bias. Once more you pick only parts that suits your needs and make "big deal of it"

Orsonius said:
All I did was point out my view and people just said "no you're wrong because..." And ever since it is a back and forth.


There is no problem with point own PoV. But present it as only truth is big one.
Orsonius said:
Because there is not much to talk about. It has no plot, what am I supposed to talk about BUT what is there?
See? You are actualy claiming it has no plot instead saying you are not able see it. Of course someone will tell you are wrong. It's same with your claim it's overated as I mentioned before (which If I am not mistaken also remained without reaction.


Orsonius said:
Tha_Na said:
@Orsonius
Hmm, So the whole point is that you disagreed about this show get 8/10, 9/10, 10/10.And you ask why they give it 9/10 or 10/10. Then how about his answered:
Naoki-Saten said:
I gave the show a 10/10 because I PERSONALLY enjoyed every second of it, because [...]
Basically, I gave it the max score because I really really like it."

Sorry Naoki_Saten for using your post.


Because I hate people who just rate things on "enjoyment"
There is an enjoyment section within the ratings (at least when you write a review). You can vote that 10, but everything else is voted individually.
I can't argue with peoples taste, but I generally think that people give out 10/10s waaaaay to easy just based on how happy they were after they finished the show.

If you ask me, many of those people would agree that other shows they also gave a 10/10 did things much much better.
This is how you properly vote:

Take a bunch of shows and align them next to eachother.
Judge each category based on what the other shows did.
Pick the stronges in each category and the weakest in each cagetory.
Rate them based on that



Your biggest mistake so far is inability understand most basic fact about storytelling in general. It's never just sum of parts. And even between these parts not everything has same importance. If you have good plot and bad art and sound you still get decent anime, if you do opposite result is just Guilty Crown.

In the end value of any piece is how well it archieved it's goals. Nothing more and nothing less.

Disclaimer: This message was ninjad by four posters due it's lenght. Any similiarities of it and what @Naoki wrote is not accidental but just another proof of it's merrit.
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SABER. >.< Is Hachiman going for yaoi?
I don't know why but I really hate Hayato, something tells me he's a total fake.
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Jowii said:
SABER. >.< Is Hachiman going for yaoi?
I don't know why but I really hate Hayato, something tells me he's a total fake.


There is an Evil Hayato theory out there--but if he is a fake then he ranks up there with Haruno.
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Wow. I sooooo did not expect this show to become one of those shows people argue over. It was ok. Most of it was above average at least. It was a good watch.

That said...... it wasn't really romcom till half way through..... I think. The story makes it a bit hard to perceive..... since it takes 2 to tango. Fullon triangle by the end though.
Jul 2, 2013 11:56 PM

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I liked this. The last arc was kinda meh but other wise this was a great series. 8.5/10

I'd watch a season 2 obviously
Jul 3, 2013 12:52 AM

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maybe i'm a little bit late, but i'll get this straight
Orsonius said:
Because I hate people who just rate things on "enjoyment"....

I can't argue with peoples taste, but I generally think that people give out 10/10s waaaaay to easy just based on how happy they were after they finished the show......

I hate this hypocrisy and dishonesty.

blame yourself, don't blame the show,
i mean,
If you didn't like the show but most people like it, it's your own problem. I like it, and i enjoy it to the fullest, and that's my HONEST feeling.
It will be the same If i didn't like a series but most people like it,
it's my own problem, i don't even bother to tell everyone the reason, because it's not important, they don't even care.
If you can't accept the way people rate this show... aw man how should i put it, it's their own way, their own rights, everyone is different, so deal with it.

Orsonius said:
since apparently I didn't "get" the show. You can tell me what I didn't get because frankly I wanna know.
I wanna know if I was stupid if I was stupid.

If you didn't "get" the show and you ask someone to explain the point, the answer is no, it's something that you must find by yourself, everyone have their own way to understand and like something, its not a matter about stupid or smart.

So my conclusion is, your opinion it's not even worth to discuss from the beginning, its useless.
You're like someone that allergic to seafood, and tell everyone who likes seafood,
"why you eat that food?, i allergic to it, it taste so bad, their shape are terrible and when i ate it, it gives me red spots!"
Then what will they say to that person?
i hope you get my point, and sorry for bad english
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Good show.

Overall: 8/10.
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Great show, Hachiman always have some great ideas and some really sick strategies, i liked that cosplay battle and the part with Saika OMG all the guys just fainted XD. Really enjoyed the show hope it get more in the future but as for now the LN is still ongoing so who know ? Hachiman and Yukinoshita were just epic also Saika for bringing trap-like development and funny moment, it was really cool.
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All Hail to the most badass loser ever.
Defeatist yet proud, pessimist yet realist, vulgar yet sensible, a true coward that doesn't know fear, and a dark martyr ready to sacrifice himself and his belief for allow the girl he loves to shine more.
Here he is, the 2013 wannabeshinji, take notes please.
The alchemy with the other characters is just perfect.

9/10, the original source material is over, get ready to wait.

Thats all I wanted to say. All hail this comment. 9/10
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This show deserve an 8/10. The only bad thing about it is the animation/art. I didn't dislike it but it could definitely be much better.

Nonetheless I enjoyed it much more than I thought, so I gave it a 9/10
Jul 3, 2013 6:53 PM

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Damn! Need more Hikki, Yui, and Yukinon!

I give this series a 9/10. No doubt!
Jul 4, 2013 1:47 AM

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The episode was as awesome as the whole series :D
In the end I was like


awwie She Blushed :3
Yukinon is awesome, Hikki is awesome, Whatgahama (Haruno reference) is awesome

:') Oregairu is awesome
Jul 4, 2013 7:45 AM

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Ehhhhhh???????



finished already >.< ...great anime :) hachiman is awesome <3
Jul 4, 2013 10:09 AM

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Quite amazing show, great charachters
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I really loved this anime. The battles are so epic. I really wished I could watch more of this. Even though, it is not as funny as Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai. It is still a great effort in developing the characters. It is now on my top 10 best animes. My favorite character is Hikki. He reminds a lot like me. The rest of the females are great and likable.
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FINAL SCORE: 4/10. The anime was shitty, the romance was so minuscule that if the anime wasn't classified as a romance, I would of never known it was trying to be romantic, AND THE CHARACTERS HAVE HORRIBLE PERSONALITIES AND ARE COMPLETELY FORGETTABLE! I regret wasting 5.4 hours of my life on that anime and I would not recommend it to even my worst enemy. Back to the romance, Yui provided the most amount of development in that area but it was VERY VERY small. To be truthful, if I was new to anime, I'd think the development was leaning towards a Yui x Yukino relationship. They seemed to get along more and spend more time together than Yui and Hachiman or Yukino and Hachiman. In closing, this anime is one of the worst excuses for a so -called "romantic anime" that I have ever seen, hell it may be THE WORST, and I've seen hundreds anime. ONCE AGAIN: 4/10! FINAL SCORE!
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FINAL SCORE: 4/10. The anime was shitty, the romance was so minuscule that if the anime wasn't classified as a romance, I would of never known it was trying to be romantic, AND THE CHARACTERS HAVE HORRIBLE PERSONALITIES AND ARE COMPLETELY FORGETTABLE! I regret wasting 5.4 hours of my life on that anime and I would not recommend it to even my worst enemy. Back to the romance, Yui provided the most amount of development in that area but it was VERY VERY small. To be truthful, if I was new to anime, I'd think the development was leaning towards a Yui x Yukino relationship. They seemed to get along more and spend more time together than Yui and Hachiman or Yukino and Hachiman. In closing, this anime is one of the worst excuses for a so -called "romantic anime" that I have ever seen, hell it may be THE WORST, and I've seen hundreds anime. ONCE AGAIN: 4/10! FINAL SCORE!

You expected something from an anime that is not the generic romcom ....
And dont repeat 4/10 , we got it from the beginning . Also , if Hikki is forgetable , my sir , you have memories leeching quite often , I recommend some pills to help you . Hikki is the most uncommon MC and the only MC I've seen so far to be the reason to watch an anime .
Take Haganai for example , who on earth watches Haganai for Kodaka , huh?
No one . They watch it for Sena , for Yozora , for Rika , for the girls generally .
And your post sounds like you posted in a moment of rage that this is not the generic romcom . The title itself , if you read it , says something about the show . I didnt expect alot of romance after 2nd or 3rd episode to begin with . I liked Hikki .
"Love is a drug to our brain , it stops the thinking function and when you realize it wether you acomplish it or not you'll enter in one of the 3 withdrawal states : happy , sad or anger. Once this drug gets hold of you you'd better be prepaired beforehand." - Me
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Lolicon said:
FINAL SCORE: 4/10. The anime was shitty, the romance was so minuscule that if the anime wasn't classified as a romance, I would of never known it was trying to be romantic, AND THE CHARACTERS HAVE HORRIBLE PERSONALITIES AND ARE COMPLETELY FORGETTABLE! I regret wasting 5.4 hours of my life on that anime and I would not recommend it to even my worst enemy. Back to the romance, Yui provided the most amount of development in that area but it was VERY VERY small. To be truthful, if I was new to anime, I'd think the development was leaning towards a Yui x Yukino relationship. They seemed to get along more and spend more time together than Yui and Hachiman or Yukino and Hachiman. In closing, this anime is one of the worst excuses for a so -called "romantic anime" that I have ever seen, hell it may be THE WORST, and I've seen hundreds anime. ONCE AGAIN: 4/10! FINAL SCORE!


Blah blah blah 4/10 because I want attention.
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Lolicon said:
FINAL SCORE: 4/10. The anime was shitty, the romance was so minuscule that if the anime wasn't classified as a romance, I would of never known it was trying to be romantic, AND THE CHARACTERS HAVE HORRIBLE PERSONALITIES AND ARE COMPLETELY FORGETTABLE! I regret wasting 5.4 hours of my life on that anime and I would not recommend it to even my worst enemy. Back to the romance, Yui provided the most amount of development in that area but it was VERY VERY small. To be truthful, if I was new to anime, I'd think the development was leaning towards a Yui x Yukino relationship. They seemed to get along more and spend more time together than Yui and Hachiman or Yukino and Hachiman. In closing, this anime is one of the worst excuses for a so -called "romantic anime" that I have ever seen, hell it may be THE WORST, and I've seen hundreds anime. ONCE AGAIN: 4/10! FINAL SCORE!


Blah blah blah 4/10 because I want attention.

not enough lolis in this show
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Lolicon said:
FINAL SCORE: 4/10. The anime was shitty, the romance was so minuscule that if the anime wasn't classified as a romance, I would of never known it was trying to be romantic, AND THE CHARACTERS HAVE HORRIBLE PERSONALITIES AND ARE COMPLETELY FORGETTABLE! I regret wasting 5.4 hours of my life on that anime and I would not recommend it to even my worst enemy. Back to the romance, Yui provided the most amount of development in that area but it was VERY VERY small. To be truthful, if I was new to anime, I'd think the development was leaning towards a Yui x Yukino relationship. They seemed to get along more and spend more time together than Yui and Hachiman or Yukino and Hachiman. In closing, this anime is one of the worst excuses for a so -called "romantic anime" that I have ever seen, hell it may be THE WORST, and I've seen hundreds anime. ONCE AGAIN: 4/10! FINAL SCORE!


The guy's name say it all, no loli=shitty anime for him. Personally i think only brain damaged people can call this anime shitty and this guy has a severe case. Go see a doctor rather than hunting for lolis. Typical attention-seeking loser.

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I enjoyed watching this series, Hachiman is the best chara ini thi series i think! Hachiman in ep13 LOL...
9/10

Well it's a comedy :v so it's a COMEDY :v
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Wow..a romcom that has romcom in the title ending with no romance whatsoever.
I am disappoint.
6/10.
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ainky said:
Olwen said:
Lolicon said:
FINAL SCORE: 4/10. The anime was shitty, the romance was so minuscule that if the anime wasn't classified as a romance, I would of never known it was trying to be romantic, AND THE CHARACTERS HAVE HORRIBLE PERSONALITIES AND ARE COMPLETELY FORGETTABLE! I regret wasting 5.4 hours of my life on that anime and I would not recommend it to even my worst enemy. Back to the romance, Yui provided the most amount of development in that area but it was VERY VERY small. To be truthful, if I was new to anime, I'd think the development was leaning towards a Yui x Yukino relationship. They seemed to get along more and spend more time together than Yui and Hachiman or Yukino and Hachiman. In closing, this anime is one of the worst excuses for a so -called "romantic anime" that I have ever seen, hell it may be THE WORST, and I've seen hundreds anime. ONCE AGAIN: 4/10! FINAL SCORE!


Blah blah blah 4/10 because I want attention.

not enough lolis in this show


Guys, guys, slow down.
He's a KEY fan, so he can't be that bad of a guy. That being said, I can't really figure out his rating pattern. Seems kind of all over the place.
He has merely committed a common mistake, expecting this to be a full-on romcom, going at this with completely wrong expectations.
Surely, if a person such as myself who rated this anime 10/10 can step in for him, you could consider calming your rage...

@Lolicon:
Sir, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but contrary to your assumptions, this is not a "romantic anime", as the role of 'romance' in it is rather small. Therefore, your anger at it for not being romantic enough is simply misplaced. Your judgement was flawed. A common mistake, but a mistake nonetheless. Please don't blame the anime for your faults.
As some of us may have noticed, Hachiman's monologue in episode 9 has a certain similarity to your problem. You imposed your (completely unfitting) expectations onto the series and got enraged over it not fitting into the pattern you expected it to have. In this situation, you should be following Hikigaya's example and realize that you have no one but your own self to blame.
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Naoki-Saten said:
ainky said:
Olwen said:
Lolicon said:
FINAL SCORE: 4/10. The anime was shitty, the romance was so minuscule that if the anime wasn't classified as a romance, I would of never known it was trying to be romantic, AND THE CHARACTERS HAVE HORRIBLE PERSONALITIES AND ARE COMPLETELY FORGETTABLE! I regret wasting 5.4 hours of my life on that anime and I would not recommend it to even my worst enemy. Back to the romance, Yui provided the most amount of development in that area but it was VERY VERY small. To be truthful, if I was new to anime, I'd think the development was leaning towards a Yui x Yukino relationship. They seemed to get along more and spend more time together than Yui and Hachiman or Yukino and Hachiman. In closing, this anime is one of the worst excuses for a so -called "romantic anime" that I have ever seen, hell it may be THE WORST, and I've seen hundreds anime. ONCE AGAIN: 4/10! FINAL SCORE!


Blah blah blah 4/10 because I want attention.

not enough lolis in this show


Guys, guys, slow down.
He's a KEY fan, so he can't be that bad of a guy. That being said, I can't really figure out his rating pattern. Seems kind of all over the place.
He has merely committed a common mistake, expecting this to be a full-on romcom, going at this with completely wrong expectations.
Surely, if a person such as myself who rated this anime 10/10 can step in for him, you could consider calming your rage...

@Lolicon:
Sir, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but contrary to your assumptions, this is not a "romantic anime", as the role of 'romance' in it is rather small. Therefore, your anger at it for not being romantic enough is simply misplaced. Your judgement was flawed. A common mistake, but a mistake nonetheless. Please don't blame the anime for your faults.
As some of us may have noticed, Hachiman's monologue in episode 9 has a certain similarity to your problem. You imposed your (completely unfitting) expectations onto the series and got enraged over it not fitting into the pattern you expected it to have. In this situation, you should be following Hikigaya's example and realize that you have no one but your own self to blame.

I'll replace my words with two gifs .


FluffyFleshJul 4, 2013 4:41 PM
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Jul 4, 2013 6:22 PM
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Gonna miss Hachiman!!!
Can't wait for the OVA!!
9/10!!
There will always be haters it seems, referring to lolicon.

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Gonna miss this series. Nice to see them end the series with a fun filled episode. I don't know why, but I always like ending a series like this more than say, with episode 12.
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Fuuuuuuuuck, this show was quite the surprise for me this season; picked it up on a whim and it's become my favorite of this spring season.

Going to miss Hachiman. He had the best interactions with others and definitely a type of protagonist I haven't come across in a while. And of course, his monologues.

Dat jealous Yui, dem Saber cosplay uniforms, dat Hachiman gawking at Saika. Even got to see Saki and Yoshiteru this episode.

I'm going to miss this show...
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Lolicon said:
FINAL SCORE: 4/10. The anime was shitty, the romance was so minuscule that if the anime wasn't classified as a romance, I would of never known it was trying to be romantic, AND THE CHARACTERS HAVE HORRIBLE PERSONALITIES AND ARE COMPLETELY FORGETTABLE! I regret wasting 5.4 hours of my life on that anime and I would not recommend it to even my worst enemy. Back to the romance, Yui provided the most amount of development in that area but it was VERY VERY small. To be truthful, if I was new to anime, I'd think the development was leaning towards a Yui x Yukino relationship. They seemed to get along more and spend more time together than Yui and Hachiman or Yukino and Hachiman. In closing, this anime is one of the worst excuses for a so -called "romantic anime" that I have ever seen, hell it may be THE WORST, and I've seen hundreds anime. ONCE AGAIN: 4/10! FINAL SCORE!


You don't know how classification of anime work, right? Tags isn't something that come with author or from studio, but from people who make reviews, create threads, catalogise it ect. Which means you can't blame anime for not matching with it's tags that are forced on it by audience (like you)

btw For example Anidb, didn't make such mistake and I am sure you can find more of sites that classified it correctly as well.
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Hmm. It's weird, I had a lot of fun with the first few episodes but then by episode 7 or so the comedy seemed to take a backseat to the drama. Not that the drama was bad but from the first couple of eps I expected more laughs. Even though this was a filler, I was glad to see them get back to the comedy.

The best thing about this show was certainly Hachiman. He was just such a refreshing character and I can relate to him quite a bit in some respects. While this wasn't my favorite comedy, he probably just became my favorite comedy MC.

So, I was totally ready to give this an 8/10 but the lack of comedy in later episodes drops it to 7/10 for me. Looking forward to a season 2 though even if it won't show up for a while.
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No romance whatsoever and am I the only one who gets annoyed by the shitty MC. I know a lot of you can relate to him but no just no I'mma punch that guy if I met him irl. My favorite characters were pretty much Yukino and Hayato. A weak 7-7.5/10 in overall and yeah there's a lot of things that I DO agree with Orsonius. kk now sue me

Season 2? Sure why not lol
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No romance whatsoever and am I the only one who gets annoyed by the shitty MC. I know a lot of you can relate to him but no just no I'mma punch that guy if I met him irl. My favorite characters were pretty much Yukino and Hayato. A weak 7-7.5/10 in overall and yeah there's a lot of things that I DO agree with Orsonius. kk now sue me


Yeah, I guess Shounen animes are better written than these types of shows.
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Jinada said:
No romance whatsoever and am I the only one who gets annoyed by the shitty MC. I know a lot of you can relate to him but no just no I'mma punch that guy if I met him irl. My favorite characters were pretty much Yukino and Hayato. A weak 7-7.5/10 in overall and yeah there's a lot of things that I DO agree with Orsonius. kk now sue me

Season 2? Sure why not lol

I really don't get why people are complaining about romance. Reading the fucking title my romantic comedy is WRONG as expected. Wtf can people not understand about that
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Jinada said:
No romance whatsoever and am I the only one who gets annoyed by the shitty MC. I know a lot of you can relate to him but no just no I'mma punch that guy if I met him irl. My favorite characters were pretty much Yukino and Hayato. A weak 7-7.5/10 in overall and yeah there's a lot of things that I DO agree with Orsonius. kk now sue me

Season 2? Sure why not lol

I really don't get why people are complaining about romance. Reading the fucking title my romantic comedy is WRONG as expected. Wtf can people not understand about that

There are many fucked up things about alot of people . This one , here , is an example .
"Love is a drug to our brain , it stops the thinking function and when you realize it wether you acomplish it or not you'll enter in one of the 3 withdrawal states : happy , sad or anger. Once this drug gets hold of you you'd better be prepaired beforehand." - Me
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kitkatxz said:
Jinada said:
No romance whatsoever and am I the only one who gets annoyed by the shitty MC. I know a lot of you can relate to him but no just no I'mma punch that guy if I met him irl. My favorite characters were pretty much Yukino and Hayato. A weak 7-7.5/10 in overall and yeah there's a lot of things that I DO agree with Orsonius. kk now sue me

Season 2? Sure why not lol

I really don't get why people are complaining about romance. Reading the fucking title my romantic comedy is WRONG as expected. Wtf can people not understand about that

Well look at the genre.

It was an alright anime, but its mind-boggling how something like this is considered a "romance", but something like Full Metal Panic isn't. MAL fix your shit!
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