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Aug 28, 2012 6:57 PM

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Well,yeah.The thing is that not every tournament has to be exciting till the end or even end,as shown on other manga.

what? Spending over 30 chapters on a tournament that's not exciting is a big fail from the mangaka.


I mean that it doesn't have to be exciting on every single moment.After all there's always some rather weak fights to be covered(unless the author jumps all of them).All tournament arcs I've read were like this.Even those whose focus was the tournament.That's because not every person on the tournament can be strong or at least interesting.

In Fairy Tail's case it has been excited on most of the time and it's getting better now,as we're having FT vs ST and getting close to the end,where we'll probably understand much of what's behind the curtains here.

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Ah found it. I was right! ST won only once. Wow so all the hype they had was in fact the misconception of the fandom. I find that amusing and can't help but think Mashima intended it that way.

http://www.mangainn.com/manga/chapter/84707_special-grand-magic-games-guide-book/page_9 Word of God has spoken on the matter so good luck debunking this bit.


Sabretooth only winning the tournament once is never even said on that page. It's indirectly stated Sabretooth has been the top for the seven years Fairy Tail has been missing as Lamia Scale was always second in that time (without having Lyon/Jura participating of course) and that the five people who made Sabretooth big appeared seven years ago.

Anyway, alright chapter. I can't wait for the other fights tho, specifically Gray's and Minerva (who I am still hoping Mirajane fights if she replaces Natsu being the reserve - assuming he's injured enough to be replaced).


"Their victory last time spread their name far and wide throughut the continent and currently they are the #1 guild in Fiore!"

If they had won it before,they would already be famous.But it says that their name spread only thanks to this last time victory.It isn't that clear,but it seems like they only won one last time.
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WolfWoods said:
If they had won it before,they would already be famous.But it says that their name spread only thanks to this last time victory.It isn't that clear,but it seems like they only won one last time.


Just because their last victory made them famous doesn't mean they hadn't won the tournament before. It could just be that the last year was so overwhelming for them that it made them extremely popular or maybe last year they decided to pull off all the stops to make them famous.

If you're going by implication, there's a lot of implication for them winning the past 7 years for the tournament as well.
Aug 28, 2012 11:16 PM

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Quote sources for your implications then. cause right now we have way more for them only winning last year.

Or you can just go on blindly overhyping them and get even more pissy when it turns out how utterly WEAK ST really is against FT.
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Aug 29, 2012 12:41 AM

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Or we could all just wait for more info. Sting and Rogue lost and this discussion is way past it's limit. There aren't any more data than what has been said already to prove one side or the other. Honestly we have exhausted every source. Chill this isn't the end of ST just from this loss. We will see more from them and we will learn more concerning their actual level. Don't waste your excitement with them cuz the dragons will arrive soon. THAT"S an event worth waiting for
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Aug 29, 2012 5:38 AM

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^ Yeah. Ater 306 replies,that's to be expected XD
Goes to show how exciting Fairy Tail is right now.
Aug 29, 2012 8:03 AM

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I get this is a discussion for FT chapters, but I don't see how you guys can "argue", "debate", w/e you wanna call it with ppl who are so set in their own opinions they don't listen to logic and proof.

I personally would not spend the time and energy on them. It is just not worth it IMO. I would like some clearance on how you guys do this, it doesn't make sense to me =.=


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For me it's just the desire to deny haters any justification that they like to craft from misinformation, denial of evidence and logic as well as their own blatant bias. It's a flaw of mine I will admit.
Aug 29, 2012 10:10 AM

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xuezhi said:
I get this is a discussion for FT chapters, but I don't see how you guys can "argue", "debate", w/e you wanna call it with ppl who are so set in their own opinions they don't listen to logic and proof.

I personally would not spend the time and energy on them. It is just not worth it IMO. I would like some clearance on how you guys do this, it doesn't make sense to me =.=


It always is worth it. Even if the "blind side" (whiever it is) doesn't accept what is given, witnessing constructive criticism is productive and advantageous. Even if one does not accept it within the actual discussion cuz of misplaced pride it still helps.
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Aug 29, 2012 12:39 PM

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I guess by debating about certain parts you don't agree with you brush up more on the material and improve upon your debating skills in the process.
Aug 29, 2012 4:29 PM
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Darklight0303 said:
Quote sources for your implications then. cause right now we have way more for them only winning last year.

Or you can just go on blindly overhyping them and get even more pissy when it turns out how utterly WEAK ST really is against FT.


I already said them, really, the implication you linked isn't evidence at all. You're really the only person I've ever seen thinking Sabretooth has only won for one year (which I find very contradicting and bad writing if it was such, hence why I don't think it's true at all) - especially by of all sources Jason. Anyway, I'll edit my post after school or if you've already seen it by then, post a new post with defining evidence to "implications". :) Sorry I couldn't now, school sucks. :(
Aug 29, 2012 5:30 PM

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I meant give pages in the chapters. Words are cheap. Try again or just give it up now.
Aug 30, 2012 1:41 AM
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Darklight0303 said:
I meant give pages in the chapters. Words are cheap. Try again or just give it up now.


Wow, that's pretty harsh. You need to relax, just become someone disagrees means nothing especially on a forum of all things. Anyway, same thing applies to you, please give some proper reference to your implication because the link you gave shows absolutely nothing of such and is just how you interpreted it - not a very good argument if it can be interpreted differently, which I know many will disagree with. You aren't too knowledgeable about the Fairy Tail world, evident in this thread as you didn't even know that there was a world map which has been out for years. So I especially think you of all people should not act like your words are fact, you clearly don't buy the volumes and if you did, you'd know there was a map. :shrug:

Anyway, all that your link even suggested was that they rose to fame last year. However, The magic council has been keeping an eye on them and seven years ago, Sabretooth was nothing special. In other words, not one year ago, but seven years ago they were nothing special. It's even said directly that they grew over the past few years. Especially so because of five members who joined seven years ago - five also being the amount of people who can participate in a tournament.

Plus, it's been confirmed that the tournament has been going for more than one year and of which, Lamia Scale and Blue Pegasus never won either - yet did participate[/url]. We can also take into account that Quarto Cerberus (Master tells them to win this year) and Mermaid Heel hadn't won either (Kagura not trying). All this would leave the candidates of winning each year as Sabretooth or unnamed guilds, that aren't memorable enough to be mentioned missing. Plus, take into account that the games are Fiore dominated even if/with other guilds participating outside of Fiore. I personally think Jason's referring to how their fame broke out of Fiore because of the last game and definitely not that they've only won one game.
Aug 30, 2012 2:48 AM

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There's one major issue with your claim. You imply they won previous years while not being famous. That is a completely contradictory arguemnt that destroys its own point. Winning a tournament this big would guarantee fame for sure. Also it is perfectly possible to rise to great fame during such a short period of time. Look at how FT started. They were booed on the first day and now they clearly rival ST in fan cheers. It is perfectly plausible and given the level power ST is exibiting, likely that ST only won last year when their big 5 heavy hitters joined their ranks. Simple as that.
Aug 30, 2012 3:01 AM
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Darklight0303 said:
There's one major issue with your claim. You imply they won previous years while not being famous. That is a completely contradictory arguemnt that destroys its own point. Winning a tournament this big would guarantee fame for sure. Also it is perfectly possible to rise to great fame during such a short period of time. Look at how FT started. They were booed on the first day and now they clearly rival ST in fan cheers. It is perfectly plausible and given the level power ST is exibiting, likely that ST only won last year when their big 5 heavy hitters joined their ranks. Simple as that.


Except that the Grand Magic Tournaments is a Fiore only event and as I said, Jason is clearly implying that their name spread through out the continent for their previous victory (including the other countries). So no, there's no contradiction in my argument.

Also unlike Sabretooth, Fairy Tail was infamous not from a tournament, but rather from the magicians, Fairy Tail's previous glory/power and such.
Aug 30, 2012 3:32 AM

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Exactly. Their PREVIOUS victory. Also nowhere does it say that BP or LS never won in the years before. The focus of that guide is the previous and the current years. If I am making assumptions that ST won only one year, you are making equally if not even more baseless assumptions that the other big guilds never won in the years previous to the last.
Aug 30, 2012 4:51 AM
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Darklight0303 said:
Exactly. Their PREVIOUS victory. Also nowhere does it say that BP or LS never won in the years before. The focus of that guide is the previous and the current years. If I am making assumptions that ST won only one year, you are making equally if not even more baseless assumptions that the other big guilds never won in the years previous to the last.


The main reasoning for this isn't baseless, Blue Pegasus and Lamia Scale clearly said their position was not first place. If they had won before, they clearly would have made this statement and really, Jason's comments and statistics are extremely unreliable.
Aug 30, 2012 2:46 PM

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Jeez, so basically it's one of three things. 1: Sabertooth was over-hyped and not nearly as powerful as their claims. 2: Natsu is ridiculously powerful now, or 3: 1 and 2 are both true. Though I guess if it's 3 then it's technically 3 things, right? Or 2? I dunno :/ Anyways, this leads me to believe that Laxus vs Orga could be Fairy Tail's first full fledged murder :|
Aug 30, 2012 8:19 PM

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Darklight0303 said:
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I feel like some people in this thread should look into taking an Argument and Debate class when they start attending college. It would do wonders for some of the comments here.

For the people who come into these threads and talk about how much they hate the manga and are going to drop it, why don't you? I get coming in to have a discussion about issues you have with a specific chapter or story line, but if you are making threats about dropping the manga then you obviously don't enjoy it. You do not need to justify to the MAL community why you are dropping this.

For those who are upset about the power ups, you have to make sure you do not fall into the trap of expecting that because it is written it must be true. Until there is proof of power or abilities everything is just pure speculation. The only people you really know the power of in this manga are the members of Fairy Tail and the people they have defeated so far. It is quite easy to get a reputation without really having the proof to back it up. Take for instance the very beginning of this manga. While Natsu was strong, he was not the equivalent to a S Class mage. However, he was one of the most well known mages. Most of that was due to his destructive nature, but it was misconstrued by the public as power.

Remember that at the very beginning of this manga Fairy Tail was considered the #1 guild in Fiore. That was before Lucy joined and became strong. That was before Juvia, Gajeel, and Wendy joined. It was before all the events with Gray and Natsu that solidified them as two of the more powerful mages in the guild. They were #1 even though Elfman was at half power and Mira was essentially useless. A lot has changed in Fairy Tail pointing in the direction of them getting stronger, not weaker. I am sure the other guilds have changed and added their own power as well, but we don't know that for sure yet. Again, all we know is Fairy Tail. Since they have returned we have seen them really only lose in odd events that weren't battles. The only real exception to this is the Lucy battle. It is obvious that the girl she fought was much stronger than her, but Lucy has never been considered the top tier of Fairy Tail and has always been less powerful than the others. That would make sense considering how late a start she had in being a mage.

Is it really surprising that the top members in FT would not be losing? They have proven repeatedly in the manga that their top tier mages are not to be trifled with.


Flare was not stronger than Lucy. Were in not for Obra or holding Asuka hostage, Lucy would have wiped the floor with her.


Sorry I wasn't actually thinking of the Flare battle. I really considered that a victory from the reader's standpoint so it never crossed my mind that she technically lost it. I was thinking of the water bubble battle that was an event deal, but really ended up with Lucy getting her ass handed to her. That was the only battle that was really against Fairy Tail and honestly that was probably against the strongest member of ST outside of the guild master.
Aug 30, 2012 10:29 PM

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Nuluvian said:


Sorry I wasn't actually thinking of the Flare battle. I really considered that a victory from the reader's standpoint so it never crossed my mind that she technically lost it. I was thinking of the water bubble battle that was an event deal, but really ended up with Lucy getting her ass handed to her. That was the only battle that was really against Fairy Tail and honestly that was probably against the strongest member of ST outside of the guild master.


The fight against Minerva was a cumulation of circumstances. One was the bitch known as Aquarius, the other was the fact that she lost her keys and the third was yes she was facing one of the top guns in ST. All in all she did okay suriving the merciless beating alone.
Sep 1, 2012 12:03 PM
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mfw this gets animated
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mfw this gets animated
here's the process:
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At least it was believable, their victory that is, unlike in this case, a first generation defeated a 3rd generation with pure feelings alone, and imagine Natsu using dragon force, he would be invincible, even more unbelievable than Naruto -.-

This will be the first time I voted for 1 since chapter 2xx?
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Epic!
This was too epic!
Natsu is too damn strong.
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After the Natsu victory, the magistral victory, Fairy Tail is in the head!!!! cool!!!
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love it. don't even need dragon force to deal with these chumps

also I really like "power of emotions" as opposed to the "power of friendship" in the anime. much less corny and asspull-y

also oml the chapter cover for 297 MY GOODNESS
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