| So, I go to sleep and wake up to this. Suffice to say I'm fairly stunned. |
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| This character development has been amazing, by the way, for those of you who haven't kept up. We went from attempting to sound knowledgeable and considerate, as if he's fighting for the greater good, for the healthy development of society as a whole: To caps locking and ad homming people after people didn't buy into his "think of the children" rhetoric and him accidentally outing himself as not actually upholding the values he claims to hold: To just spamming shrug emotes: I rest my case. This person can't deal with opposition to his values healthily and isn't credible, even for his own claims. A childish reaction like this should signify mental immaturity more than anything. The irony of the situation shouldn't be lost on anybody. |
ManabanApr 13, 2020 5:09 AM
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| Why would you want anime to become mainstream? That's what making it worse and more sanitized. |
Kami_sama_ said: I wouldn't mind if you listed some, I am not one who really likes wholesome anime that has a women demographic. Clannad, Little Busters, Hinamatsuri, Kemono Erin are a few that come to mind. Most everything on my completed list rated 7 or above is wholesome, and probably contains some inspirational messages. That's my preference after all and I've had no trouble finding shows that appeal to it. Then again if you're determined to be narrow minded I am sure you will find something objectionable about them. |
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Kami_sama_ said: Part of me regrets making this thread, since it has been constant back and forth between both sides of the argument, which I thought would stop sometime soon but I don't think it will anytime soon. It's like two unmovable rocks trying to push the other one over, it's never going to end. You had good intentions. Bringing up your chosen topic on MAL is unfortunately... an uphill battle, due to the numbers. I've only recently decided to take to forums here but am quickly realizing the futility of doing so with highly controversial topics. This futility points to the psychological term "ego-investment", which essentially points to someone internalizing a belief to a point where it is integrated into their personality. Hopefully at least one quiet person had the awareness to consider a couple statements made and can use that to influence the beliefs that guide their decisions. |
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flowstate said: You had good intentions. Bringing up your chosen topic on MAL is unfortunately... an uphill battle, due to the numbers. I've only recently decided to take to forums here but am quickly realizing the futility of doing so with highly controversial topics. I mean, it's just as simple as not making up people's lifestyles for them and trying to tell them they're a parasitic entity because they're not watching entertainment that promotes the healthy development of children. I don't think you really have much perspective on the issues you're trying to make here and how you're presenting yourself in response to them being pointed out. Trying to just blame everybody around you while simultaneously patting yourself on the back as being right about everybody reeks of denial. flowstate said: Hopefully at least one quiet person had the awareness to consider a couple statements made and can use that to influence the beliefs that guide their decisions. Oh right, another cheap appeal, by the way. "I'm right. Hopefully somebody smart enough out there believes me and ignores my general actions and behavior and how I've been conducting myself this whole time!" Riiiight. You're totally not trying to pander people into agreeing with you at all by attempting to present yourself as misunderstood by an unfair social circle, and that only other people capable of comprehending the complexity/reality of what you had to say are smart enough to follow in your footsteps. I am, yeah. Degrading yourselves from attempting to provide dignified responses earlier in the thread to just throwing tantrums is pretty much proving my point. |
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Kami_sama_ said: Spirited Away was the first anime I ever saw, so I absolutely agree with that. I really admire Miyazaki for not incorporating lewd content in his movies. I find everything about Spirited Away to be perfect, I think I even tried recommend it to my cousins before, but their parents didn't allow it because they thought it was a bit too mystical for their children to watch (they are hard C Christians). Chihiro of spirited away is an isekai self-insert therefore, degenerate. The movie also depicts romantic feelings between her and Hako, therefore it is sexual in nature. |
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| I may not be the biggest ecchi fan, but I will defend the right for it to exist. |
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epidemia78 said: Kami_sama_ said: Spirited Away was the first anime I ever saw, so I absolutely agree with that. I really admire Miyazaki for not incorporating lewd content in his movies. I find everything about Spirited Away to be perfect, I think I even tried recommend it to my cousins before, but their parents didn't allow it because they thought it was a bit too mystical for their children to watch (they are hard C Christians). Chihiro of spirited away is an iskeai self-insert therefore, degenerate. The movie also depicts romantic feelings between her and Hako, therefore it is sexual in nature. I mean, I don't think you need to try that hard, considering some of the incredible ideas he had earlier in the thread. Kami_sama_ said: NeoAnkara said: I don't get what you are referring to, look at any seasonal list on MAL and you will see that at least half of the shows are sexual in nature, whether it be an isekai, a harem.100% serious. Especially since physical sales decline rarely do it ever reaching more than 1000 sales. MAL didn't track sales again because of the rule on Oricon side but as far as I follow with their coverage on sales thread only handful of series can be considered of hit. And surely that also apply to other genre where every now and then you find a breakout hit. Even look at your signature, that picture in your signature clearly displays a harem show, e.g. there is one person who resembles a guy in a crowd of feminine characters. While you might say that you don't like the show purely based on the harem, you clearly liked the fact that the show has many cute girls. Thinking someone is cute = some kind of attraction to said person/character = an appeal to your sexual desire, even if in a minor way. Therefore, even sexual attraction, essentially sex, plays a huge part in how you watch anime. Pullman summed up the issue with it really nicely: Pullman said: lmao, that's some of the funniest mental gymnastics I've seen in a while. Guy realizes that his claim is bullshit and there are not many ecchi and harem shows per season and most of them don't sell at all so all of a sudden he invents a new definition of sexuality that can include literally anything as soon as it has characters that aren't ugly as fuck. Do you know how many people find AoT characters attractive? Does that mean AoT is part of your 'ecchi culture' and 'essentially sex plays a huge part in why people watch it'? That's how your desperate mental gymnastics trying to sell us any show with cute girls as 'ecchi culture' sounds like. Ecchi is at this point just a niche genre for a relativel small group of hardcore fans in Japan and it will continue to exist like this, without being nearly as popular or dominant as it was 10 years ago. If people are prudes and oversensitive to sexuality to the point where even a cute design is too sexually charged for them, that's their problem. That's not reasonable on their part. ---- Ericonator said: I may not be the biggest ecchi fan, but I will defend the right for it to exist. I mean, it's not even just the content we're talking about here, it's the fandom itself :> These people have not shied away from their desire to purge at all. |
ManabanApr 13, 2020 5:43 AM
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Manaban said: I mean, I don't think you need to try that hard, considering some of the incredible ideas he had earlier in the thread. If you judge Spirited Away by his standards its practically hardcore porn and should not be allowed by a decent society. |
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epidemia78 said: Manaban said: I mean, I don't think you need to try that hard, considering some of the incredible ideas he had earlier in the thread. If you judge Spirited Away by his standards its practically hardcore porn and should not be allowed by a decent society. Like Pullman brought up, every anime that doesn't have intentionally ugly characters is. At least according to the arguments he tried making earlier. We have devolved into this point, where we're actually entertaining ideas this ridiculous from two people who are responding to opposition to "not wanting to purge people from the fandom for liking ecchi" via tantrum and spam. |
ManabanApr 13, 2020 5:46 AM
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Kami_sama_ said: There are major differences in intentions between a harem anime, where the creator creates a man to be the object of affection for over four women of which I used as an example before, and Spirited Away, an anime about a character maturing emotionally from an self-absorbed brat. Remember, though - while harems were relevant to the signature you responding to, your stated logic was this. Thinking someone is cute = some kind of attraction to said person/character = an appeal to your sexual desire, even if in a minor way. Therefore, even sexual attraction, essentially sex, plays a huge part in how you watch anime. This isn't at all inherent to harem anime and can easily be applied to shows like Spirited Away. You didn't even word it as such, it's a matter of whether or not you find the character cute. That's it. |
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Kami_sama_ said: epidemia78 said: Chihiro of spirited away is an isekai self-insert therefore, degenerate. The movie also depicts romantic feelings between her and Hako, therefore it is sexual in nature. There are major differences in intentions between a harem anime, where the creator creates a man to be the object of affection for over four women of which I used as an example before, and Spirited Away, an anime about a character maturing emotionally from an self-absorbed brat. Why it might seem likely from a surface level observation that Spirited Away is an Isekai, normal isekai's place a character in a world distant from reality, where the laws of our world don't apply. While Spirited Away is based on the Shinto religion of Japan, so the place that Chihiro is sent to is their reality, it is the 'Plain of High Heaven'. It is a location within the Shinto mythology where all the Kami live. Chihiro passes into the Plain of High Heaven because she enters through a Torii, which is a Shinto gate that symbolizes the transition of the mundane to the divine. There are many other Shinto references in the film but I just wanted to point out that this is no Isekai, because in Japan it is a religion, therefore based in our current reality. Miyazaki didn't create Chihiro to be a object of the male affection like most Isekai's treat women. For instance, at the start of the movie Chihiro is an ignorant character that only cares about superficial things, so Miyazaki uses her as a self-insert of the viewer as they are only focused on superficial things. This is done because Spirited Away was used by Miyazaki as a hit-piece on industrialized Japan, and how they do not care for anything other than their superficial needs. Now onto her relationship with Haku. Miyazaki uses our self insertion of Chihiro and her relationship with Haku as a metaphor that people need to reconnect with nature and the supernatural, returning to a time of innocence like when we were younger, like she does when she remembers who Haku was from when she was younger and innocent to the superficiality of the world. You see Miyazaki created Spirited Away to be a metaphor for a current society, which was not sexual in nature. It is not a harem anime that was created for no other reason than to intrigue the sexual desire within it's viewers, whether they be male or female. Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk about Spirited Away. Many of Miyazaki's films portray an innocent romance between a young boy and girl and that is a huge factor in their appeal. The girl is always more interesting than the boy, and we root for him to win her over. It would be very disappointing if they didnt end up together at the end, wouldn't it? Those harem animes you hate so much play in the same ballpark. A story about a young guy and his first experiences with love. Harems are almost never about sex, even the ones that have ecchi content. They're about love. |
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Kami_sama_ said: Of course you can apply it to anything, but the point of Spirited Away isn't about cute young girls, like the harem of which I was referring to. Iunno, man. You stopped pretty decisively at "You find it cute, you want to fuck it. Sex is a part of how you want anime." I feel like the protag of SA can be easily interpreted as cute by a lot of people. There's no need for a long-winded bit about how sexual attraction works whenever you're still reaching the ultimate conclusion of "cute = sex appeal = sex is a part of your experience." SA has cute, young girls. It's a part of your boundaries you set up. It can be a part of what you're trying to deride and prevent. Therefore, it is. It falls into the boundaries. Spirited Away contributes to Ecchi Culture. I do think most sane people don't watch SA in a way that's sexually charged, mind you, but you didn't talk about finding a character cute in the way of authorial intent. You were basing it on audience experience, and perceived cuteness by the audience is what mattered to you when you made that statement. Full stop. Your explanation here regarding how it functions reinforces that. Authorial intent be damned, and that's what led to the argument regarding people finding AoT characters cute and you accusing that of contributing to ecchi culture. It's about "Do you find this girl cute?" These are goalposts. You have established the boundaries. Don't move them to suit your needs. |
ManabanApr 13, 2020 6:32 AM
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Kami_sama_ said: You seem so adamant to destroy my arguments to fit your opinion. I did set my goalposts, you can see it in the statement here: Of course you can apply it to anything, but the point of Spirited Away isn't about cute young girls, like the harem of which I was referring to. Yeah, no shit, that's why I accused you of doing so. You're trying to shift it from audience perception to authorial intent to suit your needs, and then going on irrelevant ramblings about how it functions to try to distract from that fact. The cute = sex appeal argument you made earlier was entirely centered around audience perception in terms of finding a character cute. Authorial intent is being added to the equation when it suits you, even when a series meets the checklists you're providing of having "cute, young girls." That's why it's moving the goalposts. So, again. Spirited Away contributes to Ecchi Culture. It has girls the audience can find cute, and that makes sex a part of their experience. |
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Kami_sama_ said: You might want to look up, that statement is not the statement I was referring to, I don't know why you did it, but you wanted to edit my argument to fit your opinion. That's what you had it as being at first. That's how it appeared to me on the quote and what was there when I quoted it to respond. But either way, yes. You're saying that you find it cute, so that ties into your libido and that makes sex a part of how you watch anime. Now that I look at it again, what's it even change about my point? Especially regarding the shift from audience perception to authorial intent that you're doing to justify that, which is the boundaries that was being referred to in the first place. But still, my point: Thinking someone is cute = some kind of attraction to said person/character = an appeal to your sexual desire, even if in a minor way. Therefore, even sexual attraction, essentially sex, plays a huge part in how you watch anime. People can find what's-her-face cute. It's some kind of attraction to said character. There's an appeal to the audience member's sexual desire, even in a minor way. Therefore, even sexual attraction, essentially sex, can play a part in how you watch Spirited Away. Spirited Away contributes to Ecchi Culture. People can find her cute, meaning people are sexually attracted to her if they do so. It's all in how libido works, you understand. |
ManabanApr 13, 2020 6:50 AM
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| @Kami_sama_ Cute girls have always been a big fucking deal in anime and it's not always about the libido. Moe characters are designed to appeal to the natural impulse to protect and cherish cute things... But in your world, in normie-land, that feeling is dirty and shameful. That's why it is much more socially acceptable to the "mainstream" to admit to feeling lust for anime characters than feeling protective towards them. I think thats at least part of the reason why the "ecchi culture" you hate can be somewhat obnoxious with their tendency to shove erotic fan art in peoples faces on twitter. |
epidemia78Apr 13, 2020 7:04 AM
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Also, for what it's worth when we're speaking of authorial intent when it comes to Spirited Away, I'd like to drop this here. If true, Spirited Away contributes to Ecchi Culture. If untrue, Spirited Away contributes to Ecchi Culture. Because cute, young girls. At the end of the day, Spirited Away is just a goddamn great ecchi and I'd recommend it for anybody looking for a fun and sexually charged experience. |
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| Here is an article worth reading that references Miyazaki's view on problems in the industry and otaku in general. It is also difficult to argue with the perspective of an influencer on the industry such as Miyazaki himself. Here is a quote taken from the author of the article: "Understand that I'm not saying all otakudom is a morass of navel-gazing fetishism. But it can sure feel like it, even to other people who want to call themselves fans of one kind or another. When untested against reality and the rest of life, including the rest of creative life, any fandom becomes introverted and sterile. And the more such insularity is unthinkingly supported on both sides, the less we'll see in this field of everything that was truly diverse and original about it in the first place." This statement exemplifies some of the view points made earlier here. Think on this quote applied to the hardcore otakus embracing the aforementioned ecchi culture. To revisit this question now "Is anime better with or without ecchi 'culture'", we need to note a couple things: One, better is subjective and is the root of much disagreement here. Remember, ego-identity is powerful. If you buck someone's views on anime, it's like bucking someone's religion when their ego is strictly tied to one outcome. Let's consider then how the industry is influenced because of ecchi 'culture'. If you go back to the article referenced above, that points to much of the reason why things may be the way they are today. The industry is challenging enough, so creators take the easy way out and cater to the most powerful desire of humans - sex energy. This happens, a lot. Now, if an industry at its inception was something that it is now holistically not anymore, we can say that it has certainly shifted. If one large direction of this influence predominately caters to sexual impulses in humans, we can note massive influence stemming from a very popular niche, ecchi harems. It is also interesting to note that the most popular club on MAL for ecchi harems, with just under 13,000 members at the time of writing, (many of which have participated in this forum discussion), refers to it's community as "degenerates". The introduction to new users of the club is as follows: "Welcome to the Harem&Ecchi Club, MyAnimeList's #1 Hive For Degeneracy... [and goes on to say] ...pop on our active Discord server and chat with other degens." Let dictionary.com clarify that for a moment: degenerate to fall below a normal or desirable level in physical, mental, or moral qualities; deteriorate: The morale of the soldiers degenerated, and they were unable to fight. to diminish in quality, especially from a former state of coherence, balance, integrity, etc.: The debate degenerated into an exchange of insults. to cause degeneration in; bring about a decline, deterioration, or reversion in. adjective having fallen below a normal or desirable level, especially in physical or moral qualities; deteriorated; degraded: a degenerate king. having lost, or become impaired with respect to, the qualities proper to the species or kind Now if we go ahead and apply this term that not myself, but the largest ecchi harem group on MAL uses to label their users, we can then ask ourselves some important questions. Now, why would a community judge their members so harshly to make such statements about its own community? Moreover, why would people actually join a club that refers to them this way? Interesting food for though. If we look at even just this information above, are we better equipped to tackle some important questions like "How does ecchi culture influence not only anime, but society as well?". If we process what a degenerate person's lifestyle may look like, we may be lead in an interesting direction that makes us more well equipped to find an answer. It's worth noting that I personally do not by any means believe that anyone with interest in ecchi and harems is a degenerate, or a "NEET". This behavior alone is not enough to further define an individual. However, when this behavior, combined with a lack of discipline, ambition, motivation, will to create anything of value in society, willfull ignorance of how their actions affect the world around them, constant reliance on systems and people around them, etc... then we see this developing into what some may call a degenerate or a NEET. The difference between medicine and poison is in the dose. |
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| Without echhi 60% of anime fan wouldn't exist, Echhi has been the savior of anime in the middle tier segment. Echhi will always be king. |
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flowstate said: It is also interesting to note that the most popular club on MAL for ecchi harems, with just under 13,000 members at the time of writing, (many of which have participated in this forum discussion), refers to it's community as "degenerates". The introduction to new users of the club is as follows: "Welcome to the Harem&Ecchi Club, MyAnimeList's #1 Hive For Degeneracy... [and goes on to say] ...pop on our active Discord server and chat with other degens." What's important to note is the context we're using language in, not necessarily the dictionary definition of the term. This is especially prominent in subcultures, where words can have different meanings relative to that group's way of communicating. In this case, we embrace the term "degenerate" as a form of self-reference primarily in defiance to people who try to label us as such as a pejorative. Maybe the actual meaning of the word itself is negative - hell, it is, and that's precisely why it's a common insult hurled our way. People who are there understand this. People who join and stick with us understand this. Because we've all been unfairly labeled stuff like this at points. We also have referred to ourselves as MAL's Island of Misfit Toys before. A lot of our subcultural literacy is defined by this sort of isolation and generally disparaging attitudes towards us from the rest of the anime fandom. It's also why we have such a massive presence on clubs and have three clubs with 10,000+ members. Because most ecchi fans don't want to be around you people, precisely because of the sorts of extremely negative things you attribute to us based on nothing other than we like ecchi. It's a part of the ecchi fandom's literacy, and it's become as such due to our history of being ostracized with terms and labels like that. Trying to chalk it down to treat it like we're using it as a form of self-negativity or that we view ourselves in the same vein that you're treating the term as meaning in this context is missing the point. Context matters. And I don't demand that you grasp the nuances of our literacy, but I will demand you to not project your own interpretations of what we mean onto us. |
ManabanApr 13, 2020 7:24 AM
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Mistek98 said: Kami_sama_ said: On the other hand, I feel that if it wasn't such a massive part of our community we could truly hit the mainstream, like many other 'nerd' based cultures have before. Thereby, allowing more and more quality anime to be created, even if our community becomes diluted with people with so-called 'trash taste'. What's the evidence that hitting mainstream (if anime didn't hit it already) brings you more quality work? If anything other industries show you the opposite. LOTR brought high fantasy to the mainstream and what did we get? Fucking Game of Thrones... |
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| When I feel like old, grumpy cat, I dislike ecchi. In case of happiness and good times I absolutely adore it. So it highly depends on which mood I am in. Hence, I can understand the 'better safe than sorrow' approach of always putting a pinch of ecchi into anime. |
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Me and Dekn pushed a thread to 1,000 posts over the course of a couple of weeks before, back in our prime. Most threads start off with steam and die out later to just a few posters. This isn't anything special. I am impressed at how long I've lasted, though. Usually he tanked and I'd pop in with something lengthy on the side. I've never been good at these drawn out things, certainly not like he is. |
ManabanApr 13, 2020 7:51 AM
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| Definitely better without ecchi or blue comedy, because comedy is subjective. Comedy is not a very skilled genre to begin with plus a bad influence for revenue. What people really want to spend their money on is action. Can ecchi anime even sell out toys or become a metafranchise? nope! |
| So we are having 7 page talking about the response of what I get on the first page. |
 Kickstarter for Rokujouma is fully funded. Good work everyone. Lets wait for the result of our hard work together. |
NeoAnkara said: So we are having 7 page talking about the response of what I get on the first page. Not really. That's only recently been brought back into the equation. |
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Kurt_Irving said: Definitely better without ecchi or blue comedy, because comedy is subjective. Comedy is not a very skilled genre to begin with plus a bad influence for revenue. What people really want to spend their money on is action. Can ecchi anime even sell out toys or become a metafranchise? nope! Except that, you know, there are plenty of figurines of ecchi protag. And don't speak for people saying that all they want is "action". Well, I want ecchi action, so heh. Also, there is an entire franchise built around ecchi figurines, "Sin Nanatsu no Taizai". |
TropischApr 13, 2020 8:23 AM
| "Well, she's flatter than a pancake" -Mimi Alpacas |
| I also like the appeal to profitability. I like it when people act like they're businessmen and need to try to justify their stances based on how well they think something can sell. It really adds a fascinating dimension to the conversation. Also, what are PVC figures, if we're talking about a show's ability to pump out physical merch determining its right to exist. Who do people think tends to buy and collect stuff like that? |
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Kami_sama_ said: Part of me regrets making this thread, since it has been constant back and forth between both sides of the argument, which I thought would stop sometime soon but I don't think it will anytime soon. It's like two unmovable rocks trying to push the other one over, it's never going to end. No, you got it wrong bud. It's been people ripping apart your intial arguments and stance and you still sticking by it because you never intended to reach a common ground or change yours or anybody elses opinion in the first place. |
| The beauty of humans is that they say one thing then do another, but at the same time that can also be their ugliest side. |
| Yes, it's definitely better, meaning no more code geass like your forum picture lmao NeoAnkara said: Here we go again with the myth that sex=sells. This is not a myth, it has been practiced since like Edward Bernays appropriated Freud's concepts in advertising. It's not that sex itself which sells, but associating people's desires to the product will usually appeal more. |
Kami_sama_ said: I don't blame them though, these people are passionate about what they love. But it just so happens that what they love is what I dislike. Downplaying it by passing it off as an honest dislike. Nice. What you're failing to acknowledge is the amount of people who say they dislike it in this thread and other threads. Nobody cares that you dislike it. If they do, then they can go sit in the same corner with you in terms of being pathetically thin-skinned. Criticism and distastes aren't personal attacks. What makes you bad specifically is the eradicative mentality towards our fandom and the weak-ass justifications you've been trying to hoist up as the reason. You're not living that down by just trying to pass it off as being in the same boat as just disliking the content. You *are* trying to leverage personal attacks. You *are* the aggressor here, and we're just acting in self-defense of our character and our ability to just simply be here. ---- I'll also just point out that my personal favorite part of this thread was when that other guy came in and you got confident again due to external validation. You've maintained that even after he had his temper tantrum and broke that facade of altruism and being dignified and educated, but you wavered there, didn't you? You wanted to back off hard by trying to point out things like that you didn't insult me specifically and kept trying to seek cheap appeasement for agreeing to disagree when I was coming down on you, then you came back and doubled down as soon as somebody else came and made you feel less alone and even kept at it with me for a while. You have a weak conviction to the extremities of your opinion and you needed affirmation to be willing to stick with it to the extent that you have, I'm guessing. |
ManabanApr 13, 2020 9:21 AM
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Kurt_Irving said: Definitely better without ecchi or blue comedy, because comedy is subjective. Comedy is not a very skilled genre to begin with plus a bad influence for revenue. What people really want to spend their money on is action. Can ecchi anime even sell out toys or become a metafranchise? nope! i don't buy figurines because i don't see the point, but saying ecchi can't become a metafranchies is kinda ignoring the fact that we already have metafrachies ecchis To love ru porbably has some of the most figurines and continues to pump them out long after the manga has ended. there are also several video games. senran kaugra has several anime video games. and a bunch of merchendice from figurines to freaking body pillows. just saying. Joms said: Yes, it's definitely better, meaning no more code geass like your forum picture lmao NeoAnkara said: Here we go again with the myth that sex=sells. This is not a myth, it has been practiced since like Edward Bernays appropriated Freud's concepts in advertising. It's not that sex itself which sells, but associating people's desires to the product will usually appeal more. ^ this also if sex didn't sell rule 34 wouldn't exists. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
Kami_sama_ said: I'll be honest, I fell asleep part way through this thread that is why I wasn't active, this epidemic had ruined my sleep schedule. But I will admit that having someone with common beliefs in an angry mob that wants me dead was a relief. Well, I wasn't talking about your lack of activity for a while, I'm talking about the gear shift you had when you were trying to seek appeasement with me and then after that other guy came in and you redoubled on your original stance. You went from "Let's agree to disagree" and "I didn't insult you specifically!" to trying to come back even stronger after you felt validated in maintaining your prejudices against us. That didn't happen while you were sleeping, that all happened after you came back. I don't think that's what a person who actually believes in something strongly would do. |
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Joms said: I'm not talking about that though. We are talking on the context of animanga here where people say that ecchi are selling which in fact not quite true as in proven by number that are available in sales thread that MAL have been posted. It is as profitable as other series maybe even less. There are exception of course but so is other genre.Yes, it's definitely better, meaning no more code geass like your forum picture lmao NeoAnkara said: Here we go again with the myth that sex=sells. This is not a myth, it has been practiced since like Edward Bernays appropriated Freud's concepts in advertising. It's not that sex itself which sells, but associating people's desires to the product will usually appeal more. |
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