Darling in the FranXX Episode 19 Discussion

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Oct 22, 2023 11:46 AM

#251

LeonardoFrav

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Jun 2023

Information overload, damn. They should made werner dropped bits of the show information background to make fans make theories about what is going on, instead of just dropping everything at once in the final route. Until episode 18 is a very well written show, i loved the drama, but now its a chaos.

Nov 6, 2023 6:50 AM

#252

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Dec 2022

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This flashback really answer some questions but it is still not clear why did they erase the memories of Kokoro and Mitsuru. They said that they are irregularities and must be re-indoctrinated but what kind of irregularity? It's obvious but not quite clear and accurate. Maybe the babies must come from the artificial type and not from the procreative instincts?

Nov 30, 2023 7:49 PM

#253

removed-user

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5 more episodes to go, finally this series is coming to an ned

Dec 29, 2023 6:37 PM

#254

oozePOP

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This episode certainly ups the tension, but that's about it. It's not an unimportant episode, but it just doesn't feel like it carries that much weight.

Dec 30, 2023 7:14 PM

#255

SWtaervdesn

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Jan 2019

Emancipate the parasites! Avoid this version of the future, wherein humans sack Planet Earth and it inhabitants.

Feb 17, 2024 8:03 PM

#256

gannoncannon55

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Dec 2022

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FUCK yes fucking great episode been waiting for an episode like that for so long, couldn't care less about the kids since it's clear it's just gonna be nothing but misery and suffering for them, just give me nothing but this big picture sci fi grandeur full Evangelion stuff

May 14, 2024 3:14 PM

#257

Amairin

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ayyy backstory pog

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Jun 6, 2024 3:30 AM

#258

SenseiSempai-san

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Dr. Werner aka Franxx has a hand in how the world comes to this state. Still he has paid a great deal - lost his wife and arm but created Zero Two. Ahh fate.

Jul 29, 2024 4:47 AM

#259

jumbosan

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The doctor and Zero two. I hope it not what i'm thinking

Jan 24, 4:17 AM

#260

Vindicater

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Reply to SenseiSempai-san

Dr. Werner aka Franxx has a hand in how the world comes to this state. Still he has paid a great deal - lost his wife and arm but created Zero Two. Ahh fate.

@SenseiSempai-san

I think this might have been my favourite episode of the series so far... so much stuff we learned.

Jan 24, 5:10 PM

#261

SenseiSempai-san

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@SenseiSempai-san

I think this might have been my favourite episode of the series so far... so much stuff we learned.

@Vindicater It is a good episode. It explains the background story well and we now more aware of the current situation.

Mar 17, 9:51 AM

#262

topfloorboss45

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a few more answers given. how are they gonna wrap this up in 5 more episodes? what even happened after ep15???

Sep 11, 3:41 AM

#263

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Episode 19, very good
8/10

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Oct 15, 9:21 AM

#264

ahnold11

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Sep 2019

The NGE pedigree is pretty transparent here (Trigger has ex Gainax if I remember?).

You could look at it as Eva's wannabee little brother, or countfeit knock off, but I'm getting something a bit different so far.

The draw of NGE was the world building, the mythos, and the mystery surrounding everything. The lore.

With this show, I think they really wanted the kids to be the stars. Not necessarily each individuals character (some of them are fairly one note), but the focus on the children, what they go through, and how they have to suffer/grow. You are meant to empathize with them. All the world building surrounding it is largely just an excuse to get these kids into this situation, and you follow (and hopefully care about) what happens to them along the way.

Part of NGE was that it was "cool" it was "interesting". I think they were trying to make this backstory a little more boring by comparsion. You aren't supposed to sympathize with APE, you are supposed to be disgusted. It's "basic" and despicable.

They lay it out pretty clearly. When Kokoro learns about giving birth and procreation, she gets the core of it "I am going to leave this world/die at some point, so it'd be nice to leave something behind". Then you have the "adults" who never have to leave this world, and so they don't have the desire to leave anything behind, because they aren't going anywhere. Pretty cut and dry there, no need for nuance.

The Seele/APE thing is a little hard to stomach though, I know it's the point, but it's so on the nose. Simple immortality isn't there goal though, they obviously have a larger goal (probably instrumentality type human consciousness in robot bodies, leave our solar system and head to the stars, or whatever). So they've had a 100yr master plan, and Dr. Frank aka Franxx is just a cog in the machine.

If anything his character is made even less interesting by this reveal. A talented scientist interested in pushing/exploring the limits of what makes us human. But then gets bored, but never grows morals or ethics at any point, helps usher in immortality that he himself has no interest in. But doesn't mine slowly replacing his body with machine parts. Kills his romantic partner, which is just another body on the path of wherever he is aimlessly heading towards. And has some sort of "ultimate" goal involving finding the "ultimate container" for his heart. Regular humanity was not enough, neither immortality, so mayble Klaxosaur princess hybrid I guess.

Like I think you really aren't supposed to care or be interested and look too closely at their motivations. It's just "outside forces manipulating the children" you are supposed to take from this.

We don't get a look at modern human society, everyone is sedate/bored, but don't even have the emotional depth to feel "boredom" anymore. They live their isolated lives and need machines to make them experience joy because it's too much effort to do it on their own. You got immortality, but for what? So that's just background, APE is the main take away, for whatever purpose they are using the children for.

APE needs Zero 2/Strelitza for their ultimate goal, Dr. Franxx needs Squad 13, and the kids just want to fish, get married, have babies and live their life. Who will prevail in the end?

I'll be honest, the Zero 2/Hiro romance is my primary interest point. They fleshed out the characters enough that I'm compelled to know how their story ends, despite the blatant emotional manipulation of the audience along the way.

I think this show is achieving it's goal, although perhaps not as well as it could. One of my main frustrations with NGE was that the kids had like zero agency, and you couldn't really sympathize with them because they were not the focus. Both the show and Nerv needed kids to drive the plot/robots, but neither were the focus and were used only as little as they could be. This show addresses that, the focus is on this group, these "parasites", the injustices they face, the naivete of their struggle and hopefully ultimately they get some agency in their future. (The show likes to keep dropping the term "fate" presumably for this purpose).

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