| What does the fine line between fiction and reality matter to the fact that MC is a piece of shit? |
| @hazarddex The on where he grabs the Panty of a sleeping 10 year old . She was lying on a hay bale . I know she punches him but this came off as slapstick |
skysurf said: Finally a chance to have an interesting civil discussion, sure, let's---... Hyperactivy said: you are an hypocrite, you literally blocked the ability for others to view your account Oh, nevermind. By the way, if you continue stalking other people's accounts to attack them and disrupt the actual discussion, you'll soon get a warning for breaking the forum rules. Please do your best to stay on topic ๐ stalk? everything I mentioned you said, YOU SAID IN THIS ONE FORUM POST not in ANY OTHER POST, are you high or somethin? let alone the fact you literally ignored the argument I made. I actually am up for civil discussion, just not with someone who doesnt argue their point and twists the words of others. |
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skysurf said: Hyperactivy said: I actually am up for civil discussion, just not with someone who doesnt argue their point. I'm the same, that's why I ignore posts from people who start talking about my account or profile (as you did here), as if that has any relevance to the discussion at hand. Again, not only that derails the thread (when people start discussing "oh what about this anime you have on your list, oh what about this score you gave, bla bla"), but it's also against the forum rules and would actually get you a warning or ban. can you stop deflecting? the point isnt your account or what you do with it, its how blatent your hypocrisy shows. you stated several times in this one forum post that you dont like people talking about your account YET YOU DID IT TO SOMEONE ELSE IN THIS VERY POST. you are literally taking what I said out of context, I couldnt give a rats ass about your account what you watched or what you rated how you rated etc, you have shown blatent hypocrisy and theres no issue with pointing it out. "Again, not only that derails the thread (when people start discussing "oh what about this anime you have on your list, oh what about this score you gave, bla bla"), but it's also against the forum rules and would actually get you a warning or ban." then dont respond to said comments who mention your watchlist scores etc, trust me the only people who care about it are people who cant back up their own arguments. now hear me out, you can either: -go back to the FIRST post I mentioned you in and start discussing it and stop twisting my words, -keep twisting my words and heck even try to report me for something that I clearly havent done, -ignore this like many other comments prior. I would greatly appreciate you picking the first option and heck ill even link the OG comment just for you. Edit: you werent even mentioned in the first comment you mentioned... |
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| This whole back and forth arguing is pretty funny not gonna lie, but ultimately a pointless waste of words. People defending this show need to stop responding to people who have no more to their critique than an uncomfortable 20 second clip per episode. It is quite obvious when someone just wants to generate drama when their posts don't include anything else the anime has to offer, be it good or bad. In quite the same way some people need to stop relating their defense of this anime to defending actual irl pedophiles and incest cause thats mind boggling. In the end it's just a vocal minority who won't affect the score of the anime at all, otherwise plenty of anime in the top 100 on MAL would've already vanished due to their coverage of sensitive topics like rape, incest and pedophilia. Those anime, usually spanning a runtime of several hours, have controversial scenes for maybe 10 minutes of that runtime, in the same way MT does. After the anime is finished no one will care either way. |
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animegirl2533Feb 17, 2021 5:46 AM
Sigmar-Unberogen said: I also wonder why some people can't "decipher" a pedophile in fiction? I mean, we have a 34 yo guy narrating while his reincarnated child body gropes and undresses a little girl for a purpose of sexual pleasure. And people rather cut their thumbs than to call this action what it actually is - pedophilia. It's like reality and truth hurts these people so much, they better imagine non-existant rules and laws that makes Rudy not guilty of his crimes; some call it "kid toying around" even. I think people don't want to admit that the MC is a pedophile, out of shame or it may hurt their ego or something, or they prefer delusions even if its fiction. And yet these people will lecture you about how MC is a flawed human = good writing and shit. Such hypocrites. My point is, if you like a fiction where MC is a degenerate pedophile, so be it! To me, that already leaves a huge stain on the story and would rate it 6/10 at best, but you do you! Nonetheless, stop telling people (and making threads) that MC is fine, and pedophilia didn't happen, or ignore rape and pedophilia because it's fiction. That just makes you seem like biased fanboy who indeed can't decipher reality from fiction; or, at best, makes you sound like you can't deal with criticism. Never did I say his actions were just and should be looked over by the audience in my original post. In fact, I know his actions were wrong. Whether you classify the act as a sexual assault or pedophilia, both are wrong should be condemned. Now, does the show portray these atrocious acts with a light tone? Yes, it does, and I can understand why people have an issue with it. But, as someone who is mature enough to understand these acts are wrong and should not happen, I think there is no problem in enjoying the series for the other aspects of the show such as the breathtaking animation, or Rudy's growth as a person from being a piece of shit to a redeemable character. Still, to many, the show does not sit quite well with them, and I think you are welcome to criticize the show as I said in the post. As for me, I value the growth of character, so I want to see where the show goes. My point of the forum was to talk about how you can enjoy the show while still having a stance against these atrocious acts since you understand where fiction lies and where reality lies. If we do go by your standard, I should be a lot be the scummiest of the scummiest people on earth, since I like playing GTA 5 or any shooter game on a fairly regular basis. I enjoy murdering people. I enjoy crashing cars. I enjoy beating random NPC just for the lols. But, only in the world of fiction. Never would I do these types of f*cked up shit in the real world since I drew the line between fiction and reality. The media that I consume does not and will not change my morals before and after, so I see no problem with enjoying GTA 5 or enjoying this anime without being called a pedophile or a murder. So, don't try to insinuate whoever likes the show, likes pedophiles or raping or are perverts. P.s. I fully agree with the fact if people are watching the show only for the messed up scene, I would have no mind in you bashing those people rather I would join with you because they are deriving enjoyment purely of these messed up scenes. |
s4gge said: Sigmar-Unberogen said: I also wonder why some people can't "decipher" a pedophile in fiction? I mean, we have a 34 yo guy narrating while his reincarnated child body gropes and undresses a little girl for a purpose of sexual pleasure. And people rather cut their thumbs than to call this action what it actually is - pedophilia. It's like reality and truth hurts these people so much, they better imagine non-existant rules and laws that makes Rudy not guilty of his crimes; some call it "kid toying around" even. I think people don't want to admit that the MC is a pedophile, out of shame or it may hurt their ego or something, or they prefer delusions even if its fiction. And yet these people will lecture you about how MC is a flawed human = good writing and shit. Such hypocrites. My point is, if you like a fiction where MC is a degenerate pedophile, so be it! To me, that already leaves a huge stain on the story and would rate it 6/10 at best, but you do you! Nonetheless, stop telling people (and making threads) that MC is fine, and pedophilia didn't happen, or ignore rape and pedophilia because it's fiction. That just makes you seem like biased fanboy who indeed can't decipher reality from fiction; or, at best, makes you sound like you can't deal with criticism. I think this guy said it the best. Well, although there may be some good qualities about a show, if the premise is of a 30-year old man getting isekai'd into a different world in a child's body and uses this chance to do whatever with literal kids, you know what kind of people watch it. I don't think there's anything deeper than that. Twisted fantasies for twisted people, just admit it. No. I don't have a twisted personality for enjoying this show. If you solely enjoy this show for the pedophile/sexual assault shit, then I would have a problem. But, if you are enjoying the show for the other aspects of the show while being aware what the MC does is an atrocious act, I see no problem in enjoying the show. If we go by your standards I should have one twisted mind for liking GTA 5 or any shooter game since I love shooting people in-game. I love car crashing cars in-game. I love to do the most random shit such as blowing up tanks in-game. But, I don't have a twisted personality since I understand there is a realm of fiction and there is a realm of reality, which should never ever be intersecting. In the end, stop trying to insinuate people who enjoy the show love pedophiles, rapists, or are okay with the horrendous acts they do because we are not supportive of that. |
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Tylaen said: AnimeLeviathan said: I understood you fully and I've dismissed your claims, and I've no interest in furthering this pointless chit chat with you. That you've wrangled a new narrative for yourself is your own business. See you in another thread.I guess you didn't understand anything I wrote. Yes he has the same memories. So obviously I was saying he knew literally everything including the fact that he got reincarnated. Hes still getting reincarnated as a baby even if he was an adult. If I die and carry on the exact same memories including my age, I'd still think im an adult too. Doesn't mean im still an adult. Rudy is PHYSICALLY AND BIOLOGICALLY 7 YEARS OLD. To everyone's else, Rudy is 7 YEARS OLD. Just the same with Aang from Avatar, despite having memories from all the past Avatar, Aang is still based on his PHYSICAL BODY for his age. This is a whole new concept that you can't based reality on because of someone reincarnate several times or carry on the memories of all those before him. |
johnwong999999 said: 20m said: a GROWN 41 year old man gropes a 10 year old. My favorites isekai how could anyone dislike this !!!! So you want a 7 YEARS OLD BODY to grope a 41 YEARS OLD BODY? That makes you feel better? Wym ? I was talking about my love for this anime !!! |
johnwong999999 said: 20m said: a GROWN 41 year old man gropes a 10 year old. My favorites isekai how could anyone dislike this !!!! So you want a 7 YEARS OLD BODY to grope a 41 YEARS OLD BODY? That makes you feel better? Pedophile is a term to talk about PHYSICAL AGE which Rudy is BIOLOGICALLY 7 YEARS OLD. Or maybe we prefer NO KIDS are put in sexual situations Also pedophilia is an adult being attracted to children, both mentally and physically which you won't find mentally in the real definition because reincarnation simply doesn't exist, why the fuck would we include mental in the definition?? Real life: children bodies of child brains, adult bodies have adult brains. And in the case of reincarnation bullshit, children's mental states are arguably the biggest reason why pedophilia is bad as they cannot consent, easily manipulated, and are not sexually mature. So someone with an ADULT BRAIN regardless of the form they take being attracted to a CHILD is wrong. Fuck his "biological age," he's a grown man who thinks as one and shouldn't be touching children. End of. Stop jumping through hoops to defend pedos. |
zerokarasu said: shownin said: Or maybe we prefer NO KIDS are put in sexual situations Also pedophilia is an adult being attracted to children, both mentally and physically which you won't find mentally in the real definition because reincarnation simply doesn't exist, why the fuck would we include mental in the definition?? Real life: children bodies of child brains, adult bodies have adult brains. And in the case of reincarnation bullshit, children's mental states are arguably the biggest reason why pedophilia is bad as they cannot consent, easily manipulated, and are not sexually mature. So someone with an ADULT BRAIN regardless of the form they take being attracted to a CHILD is wrong. Fuck his "biological age," he's a grown man who thinks as one and shouldn't be touching children. End of. Stop jumping through hoops to defend pedos. "reincarnation bullshit" well what do you watch then? u watch a "reincarnation" story,so there is no bullshit there,whats wrong is if u think law/rule and morale of our real world can completely applied to the story,because u cant. whether u like it or not,believe it or not,rudy is a new person,he reincarnated from start,rudeus is different person from the old one who already die,he cant get back to the "previous life",this is basically rudy and eris is same/close age gap,not an adult to child,why? u think just because a reincarnated person have past memories make them not a "new person",u r saying they have to back as the old person with "kid biological body"?? The facts: 1) He still has the mind of a middle age man, regardless of his form 2) He is sexually attracted to children and touch them inappropriately 3) This makes him a person with the mind of an adult touching a child, thus a pedophile It doesn't matter if he can't go back to his old life, he still holds his memories, experiences, and mental age. He himself thinks of himself as an adult and his inner voice is that of an adult male. He is an adult in every way but physically. Just because he looks like a child doesn't mean it's ok for him to view and treat children the way he does. He's taking advantage of the situation as a pedophile. |
shownin said: johnwong999999 said: So you want a 7 YEARS OLD BODY to grope a 41 YEARS OLD BODY? That makes you feel better? Pedophile is a term to talk about PHYSICAL AGE which Rudy is BIOLOGICALLY 7 YEARS OLD. Or maybe we prefer NO KIDS are put in sexual situations Also pedophilia is an adult being attracted to children, both mentally and physically which you won't find mentally in the real definition because reincarnation simply doesn't exist, why the fuck would we include mental in the definition?? Real life: children bodies of child brains, adult bodies have adult brains. And in the case of reincarnation bullshit, children's mental states are arguably the biggest reason why pedophilia is bad as they cannot consent, easily manipulated, and are not sexually mature. So someone with an ADULT BRAIN regardless of the form they take being attracted to a CHILD is wrong. Fuck his "biological age," he's a grown man who thinks as one and shouldn't be touching children. End of. Stop jumping through hoops to defend pedos. "Or maybe we prefer NO KIDS are put in sexual situations" yes... please... tho on another note, the brain isnt what dictates what you are attracted to, or rather not entirely. His attractions change as he grows... which is... natural? at that point of life in his reincarnation you cant blame him for his attraction, you can blame him for his actions which yeah he is def a sexual abuser, the attraction tho is more so normal... kinda? I guess |
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BigNut666 said: I have no idea how this argument is going on. Rudy's a pedo, end of story. Whether you can relate to him, or still like his character, is up to you. I still enjoy the series nevertheless and nobody's gonna stop you from doing it. If you still like Rudy's character it doesn't mean that your an asshole or a pedo. because theres an unrealistic element into it which complicates the whole process, thats how. also, I disagree. |
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BigNut666 said: Hyperactivy said: because theres an unrealistic element into it which complicates the whole process, thats how. also, I disagree. I don't care whether Rudy is a pedo or not. It might drive others away from watching the rest, but I really don't mind it much. People just bring it up so many times it starts to get annoying. hey man you could always just look away, I agree that its annoying but nothing is forcing you to view people arguing all the time yknow? |
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BigNut666 said: good idea, some people make good points for both sides of the argument, its just that most mad toxic to the point it ruins the funHyperactivy said: hey man you could always just look away, I agree that its annoying but nothing is forcing you to view people arguing all the time yknow? They're just so intriguing so I can't stop going down the list of arguments. I should probably avoid these controversies though. |
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skysurf said: niknasr said: no need to be an idiot hypocrite and insult people here and there, right? It's not that hard to not be an idiot, isn't it? Asking people to be respectful and not be hypocrite... by insulting them. Cool. BigNut666 said: I should probably avoid these controversies though. Sounds like a healthy choice honestly. so you like, going to ignore how you got called out for twisting my words? no? okay, cool I guess, im just sayin bein obsessed about your own profile isnt healthy man. |
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| It probably not that people cannot decipher between fiction and reality, it more that not everyone like every type of fiction. Sure, people likes and dislikes on types of content can be stem from real life experiences/values. But there is nothing wrong with both having or not having like that, because we are talking about fictional content. Eg- There is nothing wrong with liking or disliking Eren Yeager's and Lelouch's ideology. As long as u don't force ur liking on someone else or demand explanation from them for their liking, it's ok. |
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Adampk said: It probably not that people cannot decipher between fiction and reality, it more that not everyone like every type of fiction. Sure, people likes and dislikes on types of content can be stem from real life experiences/values. But there is nothing wrong with both having or not having like that, because we are talking about fictional content. Eg- There is nothing wrong with liking or disliking Eren Yeager's and Lelouch's ideology. As long as u don't force ur liking on someone else or demand explanation from them for their liking, it's ok. what if i dislike eren's ideology and like lelouch's? |
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hazarddex said: Adampk said: It probably not that people cannot decipher between fiction and reality, it more that not everyone like every type of fiction. Sure, people likes and dislikes on types of content can be stem from real life experiences/values. But there is nothing wrong with both having or not having like that, because we are talking about fictional content. Eg- There is nothing wrong with liking or disliking Eren Yeager's and Lelouch's ideology. As long as u don't force ur liking on someone else or demand explanation from them for their liking, it's ok. what if i dislike eren's ideology and like lelouch's? Lol...U can do that too. I all upto ur preference |
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Adampk said: It probably not that people cannot decipher between fiction and reality, it more that not everyone like every type of fiction. Sure, people likes and dislikes on types of content can be stem from real life experiences/values. But there is nothing wrong with both having or not having like that, because we are talking about fictional content. Eg- There is nothing wrong with liking or disliking Eren Yeager's and Lelouch's ideology. As long as u don't force ur liking on someone else or demand explanation from them for their liking, it's ok. I think my original post may come off as you can't dislike the show at all, which was never my intent. My intent of this forum was to talk about how it is okay to enjoy anime. I was kind of tired of people who were trying to push their ideology of if you like it you are a pervert/pedophile. As someone who understands that the action the MC takes is messed up on another level and should never occur in the real world, I can comfortably enjoy the show since other aspects such as animation and my interest in character growth make it up for. It can be different for other people, which I totally get. If you feel disgusted by it, go ahead and criticize the show. As long you don't attack the people who are enjoying it, I'm all good. Once again, sorry if I sounded too harsh, I think I put too many emotions into it. It was nice to find a middle ground. |
s4gge said: _Lyborick_ said: No. I don't have a twisted personality for enjoying this show. If you solely enjoy this show for the pedophile/sexual assault shit, then I would have a problem. But, if you are enjoying the show for the other aspects of the show while being aware what the MC does is an atrocious act, I see no problem in enjoying the show. If we go by your standards I should have one twisted mind for liking GTA 5 or any shooter game since I love shooting people in-game. I love car crashing cars in-game. I love to do the most random shit such as blowing up tanks in-game. But, I don't have a twisted personality since I understand there is a realm of fiction and there is a realm of reality, which should never ever be intersecting. In the end, stop trying to insinuate people who enjoy the show love pedophiles, rapists, or are okay with the horrendous acts they do because we are not supportive of that. I totally agree with you, people can enjoy things outside of their real desires, what I think I wanted to say is that when people see such an atrocious act and don't have a negative reaction to it and even try to defend it, we know what kind of people they are. Shows like these attract such people and there's no denying that. If the majority of the show focuses on a 30-year old man being able to do kid things with kids in another world without repercussions, most people don't watch it for the other qualities. And I'd say that most people would already turn away from the show after witnessing something as such. Also I've got to say that this isn't critical for the show as I have not watched it, I'm speaking completely from a hypothetical viewpoint on what-ifs I don't know if the majority of the people enjoying the show are here for the messed-up shit. all I know that I'm enjoying the show for a whole set of different reasons, and I hope other people who enjoy it have something similar to mine. I was tired of being called a pedo for enjoying the show when in fact I'm not. Far from being even one. You, also, do bring up a good point of the show playing the themes of pedophilia/sexual assault as a knee slapper joke when in reality it should be more serious about it, hence it never in my mind is going to be a masterpiece. It still is going to be a good show that I'll enjoy thoroughly. That's why most isekai will never become my favorite since they all portray these types of the theme too lightly. Also, thank you for being an understandable person. I don't know how many people just don't understand you enjoy the show while not being a pedophile or not being into pervert shit. |
skysurf said: you must have the attention span of a gold fish then, as you literally replied to me several times, you sir have a weird... obsession I guess? anyone who even remotely mentions an account, you jump on them assuming they must have been trying to stalk yours... the matter of fact is:Hyperactivy said: so you like, going to ignore how you got called out for twisting my words? no? okay, cool I guess, im just sayin bein obsessed about your own profile isnt healthy man. hmm? I don't particularly remember you but I usually ignore those trying to discuss stuff about other people's account/profile instead of focusing on the topic at hand. Even at "MAL level" of maturity, it's still so weird to see people getting triggered when they find out that not everyone has a public anime list lol... That obsession doesn't sound healthy though. Good luck. -I didnt try or mention tryin to look into your account -you accused me of doing so -you threatened me about a ban for something I aint even done and now you just willfully ignore it since its so convenient to you... On mal I can definitely say you are the worst of the worst as you: -assume the worst of people -act hypocritically (lock your own account because people looked at it then look at another persons account and mention what they watched as an argument) -blatantly lie -threaten another user -accuse others for stalking (which im going to assume if you respond to this, this is what you will say) -select bits of quotes just to fit your own narrative and trust me there's more. mind you all of this is crystal clear just reading everything you said IN THIS VERY FORUM POST, NO ONE CARES ENOUGH TO TRY AND FIND YOU IN OTHER POSTS. I suggest you seek help, personally atleast... that or stop threatening people who bring up a point against you. |
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skysurf said: "My account is private ever since I created it years ago, but it's sad to see that you believe whatever trolls write in online forums without proof."Hyperactivy said: lock your own account because people looked at it then look at another persons account and mention what they watched as an argument My account is private ever since I created it years ago, but it's sad to see that you believe whatever trolls write in online forums without proof. Now, I understand that you are accusing me of derailing topics using the typical "what about this other anime you watch, let's talk about it, isn't this bad as well etc". Do you mind sharing the link where I did that? I would have to correct myself if that was the case. Thanks. ah, okay? I dont see why I should care either way? "Now, I understand that you are accusing me of derailing topics using the typical "what about this other anime you watch, let's talk about it, isn't this bad as well etc"." ...no? for starters im not accusing you its in plain site, secondly what I stated is that you keep complaining about people "trying to check your account" to find things to do arguments "what about" from reviews, ratings, posts in other threads etc. which, you have done just that earlier, I even replied to it in the first place... not that you cared to ya know READ IT all you have to do is go back in this forum post yourself, its not that difficult right? and lastly, dont deflect... DO ANSWER EVERY SINGLE POINT I MADE PRIOR. another thing, STOP SELECTIVELY QUOTING THINGS and dont take my words out of context again, cant be that hard right? |
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skysurf said: I agree, you shouldn't care. And yet, you still write about such stuff and use them to make personal attacks, look: Hyperactivy said: act hypocritically (lock your own account because people looked at it... Hyperactivy said: you just proved you are an hypocrite, you literally blocked the ability for others to view your account As I said, I don't understand why people think that accounts having public or private profile has any relevance for their arguments... Anyway, since you didn't care to share the link, that means it's not important for you so why would I care either, right? But you have been so vocal about it that I gave it a chance and followed your original post, this one right?.... If that's the case, all your frustration may be based on a simple misunderstanding: I was pointing out that a user was deflecting at that time with off-topic arguments about videogames/gta/clannad and whatnot. I noticed simply becase he was doing the same thing in the other threads of this anime where I was also discussing at that time, not because I went to track his account to see what other anime he likes, what he posted in the past, etc ๐ You can understand better about the origins of that particular post that bothered you so much, by going further above and see how that user was trying to bait people into off-topic discussions, look here. Hope this clears things up. I don't think this conversation will continue for longer but I can make you my friend if you want to move to private messages so we don't derail this topic further lol "As I said, I don't understand why people think that accounts having public or private profile has any relevance for their arguments..." Hey man, I genuinely dont know. "Anyway, since you didn't care to share the link, that means it's not important for you so why would I care either, right? But you have been so vocal about it that I gave it a chance and followed your original post, this one right?.... If that's the case, all your frustration may be based on a simple misunderstanding: I was pointing out that a user was deflecting at that time with off-topic arguments about videogames/gta/clannad and whatnot. I noticed simply becase he was doing the same thing in the other threads of this anime where I was also discussing at that time, not because I went to track his account to see what other anime he likes, what he posted in the past, etc" If that is the case then ill apologize for being incorrect and take back calling you an hypocrite, however everything else I've stated still stands. "Hope this clears things up. I don't think this conversation will continue for longer but I can make you my friend if you want to move to private messages so we don't derail this topic further" it most likely wont, im not so petty that ill attempt to lie to continue an argument based on my own misunderstanding, and if this the last we speak, it has been a pleasure. |
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