| This thread is some of the best entertainment I have had all day XD. If you want my take on this show. I don't give a shit. If real kids aren't being harmed I don't care end of story. |
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Adimus_prime said: This thread is some of the best entertainment I have had all day XD. If you want my take on this show. I don't give a shit. If real kids aren't being harmed I don't care end of story. I'm glad I can provide people with entertainment. |
Adimus_prime said: This thread is some of the best entertainment I have had all day XD. If you want my take on this show. I don't give a shit. If real kids aren't being harmed I don't care end of story. If only more people could be like you. |
_Lyborick_ said: Tapertrain said: MINOR AOT SPOILERS It is important to examine the problematic elements of media we consume. The comparison you made with AOT does not work. The difference is that characters like Eren are not always portrayed in a positive light. Many of his actions are framed to be repulsive. If you have questions about what I mean by "framing" I can give you detailed example. The short of it is that AOT is written in a way that leads the Audinece to think critically of the character's actions. People are describing Mushoku as a Wish fulfillment fantasy. It seems like the series is saying "Would't it be cool if you the audience member were in this situation." It's problematic because it’s bad for adults to be sexually attracted to children. I know there is a difference between real children and Loli, but it is still really important for us to look at it critically. It's FINE that you enjoy this shit. However, I want you to recognize that it's weird. I also just think it's fun the critique media through a social justice lens. I wouldn't say that's what the show is trying to imply. I would say it's an effort to becoming a better person. When he was in real life I would say he was a 100% pervert, but by given another chance at life he tries to become a better person. He no longer is constantly being a pervert, rather he is trying to do good deeds. Is he still a pervert? Yes, he very much is still a pervert, whenever he exposes those sides of him. I for one would feel very disconnected by his character if he went from being a 100% pervert to a 0% pervert without any development just because he got reincarnated. Lastly, I don't think enjoying this show is weird. Yes, if you are only here for the pedophile shit, then you need to go to the doctor. But, as a mature person, I understand how his morals are flawed, hence as I said he is not a role model to be followed. Never in my wildest dream, I want to be someone as rudy. If this took in the real world, I would be the first one to call the police. But, this is fiction, and it isn't going to hurt anyone. I am just looking forward to how he develops as a character. Another way to look it at is through GTA. I had a phase of playing GTA 5 a lot last year with my friend. We did the dumbest things possible. Crash cars. Shoot guns. Punch random NPCs. Kill cops. And many more awful things. Now, would I do the same in real life with my friends? Hell no. I would not do anything like that. I drew the line between fiction and reality. The media that I consume does not and will not change my morals before and after, so I see no problem with enjoying GTA 5. Great it sounds like you already think critically about stuff like this. I enjoy GTA 5 too. I love running over people in video games. However, I still see a need to sometimes look at those games critically. I don't think the game will necessarily make a person do evil things. There are too many people who don't quite understand consent. So it is especially important to take every opportunity to talk about it. The show does not take the subject very seriously. So I think that we should take a moment to remind everyone that it is serious in real life. |
| @_Lyborick_ well yes that esentially the problem with the argument everyone i've seen hating on the show is trying to make. many came here with 1st the wrong expectation this isn't a wish fulfillment series. which many seem to think it is merely because it's an isekai. (fyi isekai means other world not wish fuffillment.) this is a series that takes it's time to fully develop a character who is probably one of the most humanlike characters i have seen i recent fiction. especially when compared to many isekais nowadays that focus on "look how strong i am now." does he start out as a good person? no, but does the author justify his actions? no he doesn't. the narration literally for the LN goes out of it's way to say "I lived like total garbage." i swear people came into this series with strange expectation most the source readers already warned out the gate that this was a redemption type story. idk what kind of expectations people have when hearing that, but i certainly didn't expect "saint hood." from the main character. do i agree with Rudy for what he does in the 1 and half of the 2nd volume? no do i think it's needed to push the story forward? yes. |
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| Dude, there's no point in trying to reason with these people. They think fiction = reality and they're never gonna give up that postion. Don't bother. It's not worth it. |
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Hrybami said: I guess that I am just built different than the rest XD.Adimus_prime said: This thread is some of the best entertainment I have had all day XD. If you want my take on this show. I don't give a shit. If real kids aren't being harmed I don't care end of story. If only more people could be like you. |
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| I can't help but feel people are getting the wrong impression here. If you don't feel comfortable with certain characteristics or scenes of a character, then you're fine. If anything, I feel that is the point of those scenes. I'm fortunate enough that I don't get bothered too much by scenes like what was shown in this latest episode, since I just consider them events that are happening in a story. They're still hard to look at sometimes, but they don't take away from what the rest of the story has offered. And speaking of the story, I ended up binging through the manga after watching the first handful of episodes, and the impression I got from the series is the main character slowly trying to better himself over time. In terms of his pervertedness, while it hasn't entirely gone away yet in the manga, he has reduced the frequency and severity of it drastically as the story has progressed, with that decline starting after his 10th birthday I think. I don't think the manga is even half way through the entire story yet, and the MC feels completely different now than how he was during his inception. It's a slow build for character development. I've heard some people in here claim that the series itself is promoting pedophilia and such simply by showcasing it. While I can understand the logic to an extent, I don't really agree. In the context of this show, when I see scenes of Rudy being a complete freak and pervert, I see it as giving context as to why he was treated so poorly in his past life. He's not a good person. He doesn't have people skills. If we were told he was viciously bullied and was a complete shut in but all we see is him being a complete paragon of justice, his background doesn't really feel convincing. When I see Rudy acting as a total creep, I believe his history. Anyways, rant done. Take the show as you will. I'm excited to see how the anime portrays some of the scenes I've seen in the manga, since there's a lot of cool things that happen later on. |
| My enjoyment of this show does not stem from the mc's questionable morals, but rather from the story as a whole. If you're that put off by how the mc acts and thinks, then by all means, stop watching. But don't act like you have the moral high ground and accuse others of being pedophiles. Some people are put off by gore or murder so they stray from series like berserk, but reading such series doesn't make you a bloodthirsty murderer. Of course, I do believe that shows that actively encourage rape, racism, pedophilia, etc. can be very harmful and deserve criticism, but this isn't that kind of story. The inner monologue of the MC only serves to remind us of what kind of person he was in his previous life, and how it continues to carry on in his mind throughout his second life. And if we're getting into technicalities, most of his "pedophilia" stops at just that. It's not like he raped somebody and the show praised him for it. As a story where an actual degenerate reincarnates into another world, this one holds up pretty well. I won't blame you for dropping the series if you're not comfortable with the themes presented in it, but it's only your loss if you like good stories. As an LN reader, I can confidently say that it only gets better from here. |
Adimus_prime said: This thread is some of the best entertainment I have had all day XD. If you want my take on this show. I don't give a shit. If real kids aren't being harmed I don't care end of story. Best comment so far, you have all my respect, but to fuel more, if it wasn't for the Rudeus nasty traits probably MT will never became popular back then and have an anime today, is the controversial stuff that keep it alive and make this saga different from the other 99% of bland and boring isekais with the trope overpowered brave mc. <3 |
sasukerr14 said: Isn't the point of fiction to have an impact on reality though? Like why are you watching a comedy if you don't wanna laugh? idk, I skimmed that but just a thought. I know im super late but this is a really interesting comment, you are correct fiction is written with the intent of causing a personal or emotional impact towards the viewer, be it in comedy to make you laugh, drama to get you invested and interested, action to spike your hype etc... However, thats not to say theres any more to it than that, its just meant to spark your emotions and provoke some thoughts, usually at least... no further than that. Although it does exist for obvious other reasons, these are the only effects it should have on any particular viewer. |
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Sigmar-Unberogen said: I also wonder why some people can't "decipher" a pedophile in fiction? I mean, we have a 34 yo guy narrating while his reincarnated child body gropes and undresses a little girl for a purpose of sexual pleasure. And people rather cut their thumbs than to call this action what it actually is - pedophilia. It's like reality and truth hurts these people so much, they better imagine non-existant rules and laws that makes Rudy not guilty of his crimes; some call it "kid toying around" even. I think people don't want to admit that the MC is a pedophile, out of shame or it may hurt their ego or something, or they prefer delusions even if its fiction. And yet these people will lecture you about how MC is a flawed human = good writing and shit. Such hypocrites. My point is, if you like a fiction where MC is a degenerate pedophile, so be it! To me, that already leaves a huge stain on the story and would rate it 6/10 at best, but you do you! Nonetheless, stop telling people (and making threads) that MC is fine, and pedophilia didn't happen, or ignore rape and pedophilia because it's fiction. That just makes you seem like biased fanboy who indeed can't decipher reality from fiction; or, at best, makes you sound like you can't deal with criticism. The facts speak for themselves, even if you argue that because rudys body is a child it wont count as pedophilia (which im not going to argue here since I cant imagine it will take long for someone to twist my words regardless of what I argue) the series as a whole undoubtedly has pedophilia in it, what people argue is that it doesnt GLORIFY it or attempt to normalize it, as it doesnt... |
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Demonneo said: Do you like cartoon pedo stuff? Fine, its fiction and no one is getting hurt. I understand that. Now you just need to accept some part of the audience do not like seeing that shiet in their stories, especially when it adds nothing to the narrative besides softporn fetish visuals. For me, that ain't cute at all. It is beyond moe or a simple gag. The author had the opportunity to choose any redemption theme he wanted, yet he chose pedo garbage that will probably end up fucking and marrying his loli harem anyway, so not really redemption but wish fulfillment instead. Just a disgusting MC that belongs to the Hentai department, like Redo of Healer or Interspecies Reviewers. Not anime and thus a waste of an actually interesting isekai with insane quality production. I fail to see why why disliking watching a pedo character doing pedo things is not a legit complaint. Foruns exist to share ideas and different opinions. Not an echo chamber designed to forever simp an anime where no critique is allowed. I also disliked all the porn BS in Game of Thrones. Not because i am a puritan, but because it's pointless and most of the time it added nothing to the plot. If i wanted to see sexy stuff i would go incognito or watch a romance. If i like sci-fi, then give me sci-fi themes and not romantic sub plot and shipping nonsense. Youjo Senki and Ascendence of a Bookworm are ecchi-free and wishing this show would follow the same route should not be considered "SJW", since those two anime i mentioned are far from being something an intersectionality cultist would enjoy. My point is that we already have tons of ecchi anime while fantasy shows without that shiet are way too few. Asking for a little bit of balance should not be met with hate. One can still like an anime yet dislike some elements present in the narrative. That's Mushoku Tensei and that is my opinion. An absolutely fine opinion if I may say so myself, I wholly agree. However, you should probably know that many who criticize the show deem it as "glorifying pedophilia" or "normalizing pedophilia" which is what most people argue against. |
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leekyg said: How exactly is he a pedo tho??? Isn’t he literally a 7 year old or whatever. How do people get uncomfortable with a 7year old groping a 10 year old???? If he is a pedo or not is besides the point... children groping each other should make anyone uncomfortable... |
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skysurf said: leekyg said: a pedo recovery story BAHAHA! you're kidding right? I agree that that would actually have been a much more interesting approach but... if you know how the story ends you already know there's no pedo redemption at all. He just fulfills all wishes a pedo could dream of. Don't take it from me, the author literally said that MC's "perv nature" never changes. Even after securing multiple loli wives the bastard is still thinking (inner monologues from source material) that he may fall into "temptation" and he hopes his wives can understand his true nature if that happens. Now that's a cool redemption isn't it? my man can you stop with the BAHAHAHA! stuff? its really fucking cringe... another thing, his wives arent lolis... the fuck? |
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Demonneo said: leekyg said: honestly that’s kind of epic, maybe the moral is that you can never change human nature which is very interesting in itself. Can’t say that I didn’t think it would go this route, or that I don’t like a good loli harem, but riddle me this. Instead of a 40 year old having a loli harem, would you not rather a 40 year old in a 7 year olds body have a loli harem. This way he can be satisfied and not inflict psychological trauma. I think your just thinking into it too deeply. Is he not allowed to have romantic relationships upon reincarnation? Also, in a way this is still a redemption, as he is having relationships with his own physical age. Are you not becoming the thing you despise the most by putting mental age above physical age. He would only be reverting if he grew up and divorced his loli wives for new loli-er wives. What you seem to want is for a 7 year old boy to have a relationship with a 40 year old women which is actually pedo... No, what i want is the story to focus on the actual magic and world building instead of harems and lolis. Look at Youjo Senki... it's also about a +30 years old guy reincarnated in a new fantasy world. Yet, you do not see any pedo rape BS or boring romantic/ecchi shipping stuff taking the spotlight. An isekai where we have a new world full of mysteries, magic to unlock, adventures and villains, exciting cultures, kingdoms and races waiting to be explored, yet we have a fucking protagonist where the main motivation is to have sexy time with kids.... talk about disappointment. The epitome of a lame character with no ambition at all, whose talent is wasted on mediocrity and Hentai plot. Once a loser, always a loser seems to be the moral of this story. Waste of potential. Its like seeing Lelouch using his new power to have sex instead of conquering Britannia. Lack of vision by the author which is criminal, giving the fact he actually seem to have a bit of talent to write interesting worlds. I really hope you stick around till the end of this, it might be uncomfortable (which is fine) but based on what you said you might really like later parts of this series, so long as you can tolerate most of the needless "mature" content of it. |
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skysurf said: hazarddex said: it isn't a what aboutism. it's the same thing, but different gender but I'll take you're denial to answer as a statement of hypocrisy. It isn't? You must be a comedian then, because that's the literal definition of what you are doing: attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument. I noticed you're posting in other threads about videogames, clannad and whatnot lol Hopefully in the future you will be able to produce actual arguments from the issue at hand instead of deflecting to "WHAT ABOUT bla bla..." Good luck. forget "whataboutism" you just proved you are an hypocrite, you literally blocked the ability for others to view your account or other forums since people use it as arguments (or something similar, according to YOU mind you) yet do exactly that... this isnt whataboutism this is a whole other argument so you can either ignore it like you do many other people or explain to me how it isnt hypocrisy as I would love to hear that FROM YOU personally. |
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Adimus_prime said: This thread is some of the best entertainment I have had all day XD. If you want my take on this show. I don't give a shit. If real kids aren't being harmed I don't care end of story. This ^ Thats like cancelling AOT because Eren and Armin murdered children... |
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Teodrik said: Defenders of this show deceiving themselves by saying "IT'S FICTION NOT REALITY" but this is just defending enjoying watching pedophilia. Those fucked pedo scenes, masturbation scenes etc give nothing to story don't have any reason to be there there. Characters don't react like humans in this situations. Even on Hentai or Ecchi those kind of scenes treat characters more like human beings, have some conclusions and are better situated in story. Sure, he was a pedo in his old life. But by definiton of "pedophile" he isn't one in the isekai life. Brain age and actual age are 2 different things which people seem to not understand. I can have a shit ton of knowledge but that doesn't mean im actually 30. If I get reincarnated as a Lion. I make another Lion pregnant. Does that mean people can call me a furry, or weird, etc? No, because by DNA I am no longer a human. Just like Rudeus is no longer an adult. What makes you assume people stay an adult every single time they are reincarnated? The word "pedophile" is a label. So no matter how you look at it even if it appears he is a pedophile in this new world. He isn't. I know someone is gonna bring the argument "Well you can say the same about Loli's". First of all, I am not attracted to loli's but people can do them I guess... A loli is already aged. Rudeus is not. He was only in that world for about 7 years. A Loli would've been there 100's of years. About him fapping to children in his old life. Yes, thats completely wrong. But them showing a 1 minute clip out of 6 episodes doesn't really affect my enjoyment. |
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Teodrik said: AnimeLeviathan said: Sure, he was a pedo in his old life. But by definiton of "pedophile" he isn't one in the isekai life. Brain age and actual age are 2 different things which people seem to not understand. I can have a shit ton of knowledge but that doesn't mean im actually 30. If I get reincarnated as a Lion. I make another Lion pregnant. Does that mean people can call me a furry, or weird, etc? No, because by DNA I am no longer a human. Just like Rudeus is no longer an adult. What makes you assume people stay an adult every single time they are reincarnated? The word "pedophile" is a label. So no matter how you look at it even if it appears he is a pedophile in this new world. He isn't. I know someone is gonna bring the argument "Well you can say the same about Loli's". First of all, I am not attracted to loli's but people can do them I guess... A loli is already aged. Rudeus is not. He was only in that world for about 7 years. A Loli would've been there 100's of years. About him fapping to children in his old life. Yes, thats completely wrong. But them showing a 1 minute clip out of 6 episodes doesn't really affect my enjoyment. Ok he is fucking sexual degenerate in age that he shouldn't even be able thinking about sexuality. You are selectively using science excuses when you want to protect someone but after that what you will say "it's only a fiction" - Am I right? in essence, yes its just fiction, however we argue said fiction right? so I do agree that we should focus on the actual argument, although it should be stated that its just fiction beforehand to bypass most misunderstandings. Yes, hes a degenerate and to a certain extent by whats shown a sexual abuser, however he is not a pedophile after his reincarnation, beforehand depends on which medium you experience the series tho most would agree that quite possibly yes. after his reincarnation despite how much of a degenerate he is he by both OUR and said WORLDS definitions not a pedophile as he is indeed just a child with the mind of an adult, this lets most of his immature and borderline criminal actions go unpunished, at least in a certain manner... (him being beat to a pulp is most certainly a punishment I believe he deserved in this last episode) as he is, a child. Now, we can continue arguing this if you please, or we can drop this while agreeing that he is def a degenerate and a borderline sexual abuser and even a predator if you will and disagree about him being a pedophile. |
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Hyperactivy said: Teodrik said: Ok he is fucking sexual degenerate in age that he shouldn't even be able thinking about sexuality. You are selectively using science excuses when you want to protect someone but after that what you will say "it's only a fiction" - Am I right? in essence, yes its just fiction, however we argue said fiction right? so I do agree that we should focus on the actual argument, although it should be stated that its just fiction beforehand to bypass most misunderstandings. Yes, hes a degenerate and to a certain extent by whats shown a sexual abuser, however he is not a pedophile after his reincarnation, beforehand depends on which medium you experience the series tho most would agree that quite possibly yes. after his reincarnation despite how much of a degenerate he is he by both OUR and said WORLDS definitions not a pedophile as he is indeed just a child with the mind of an adult, this lets most of his immature and borderline criminal actions go unpunished, at least in a certain manner... (him being beat to a pulp is most certainly a punishment I believe he deserved in this last episode) as he is, a child. Now, we can continue arguing this if you please, or we can drop this while agreeing that he is def a degenerate and a borderline sexual abuser and even a predator if you will and disagree about him being a pedophile. Well yeah. He clearly commited another crime called "Sexaul assault". My point is he is not a pedophile. |
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Teodrik said: AnimeLeviathan said: Sure, he was a pedo in his old life. But by definiton of "pedophile" he isn't one in the isekai life. Brain age and actual age are 2 different things which people seem to not understand. I can have a shit ton of knowledge but that doesn't mean im actually 30. If I get reincarnated as a Lion. I make another Lion pregnant. Does that mean people can call me a furry, or weird, etc? No, because by DNA I am no longer a human. Just like Rudeus is no longer an adult. What makes you assume people stay an adult every single time they are reincarnated? The word "pedophile" is a label. So no matter how you look at it even if it appears he is a pedophile in this new world. He isn't. I know someone is gonna bring the argument "Well you can say the same about Loli's". First of all, I am not attracted to loli's but people can do them I guess... A loli is already aged. Rudeus is not. He was only in that world for about 7 years. A Loli would've been there 100's of years. About him fapping to children in his old life. Yes, thats completely wrong. But them showing a 1 minute clip out of 6 episodes doesn't really affect my enjoyment. Ok he is fucking sexual degenerate in age that he shouldn't even be able thinking about sexuality. You are selectively using science excuses when you want to protect someone but after that what you will say "it's only a fiction" - Am I right? Me saying "its only fiction" is a subjective thing hense it isn't an argument. Thats why I never used it. They aren't "science excuses" they are facts. You've yet to put up any argument. He did sexual assault someone but that doesn't affect me as much as pedophillia. |
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| It's been rather amusing to see the defenders of this show slowly convert to this defense of Rudeus not actually being an adult in a small body, literally negating the first 2 minutes of the first episodes and the literal synopsis. ( As well as his baby self acting with full knowledge of all his actions, plus narrating in his old man voice) You gotta do what you gotta do for what you love, I guess. Still funny in a very morbid sense of the word! |
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Tylaen said: It's been rather amusing to see the defenders of this show slowly convert to this defense of Rudeus not actually being an adult in a small body, literally negating the first 2 minutes of the first episodes and the literal synopsis. ( As well as his baby self acting with full knowledge of all his actions, plus narrating in his old man voice) You gotta do what you gotta do for what you love, I guess. Still funny in a very morbid sense of the word! Again. Can you show me any proof where brain age is the actual age of the person? You never debunked my claim but just said it was wrong. By DNA Rudeus is no longer an adult. You can say "but he has an adult brain" all you want. If an adult taught me a bunch of shit about sex at 7 years old until I became a degenerate like Rudeus. Would that make me a pedophile just because I have the same knowledge as an adult? Reincarnation and continuing life are 2 different things. Hes not continuing life in another world hes being reincarnated as a kid. By DNA hes still a kid. Therefore, by definiton of "pedophile", he isn't one. I'd like to see your argument against this. |
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AnimeLeviathan said: That you're unable to accept the premise of the show is not my issue, Levi. Feel free to watch those two minutes over and over, and you'll still be wrong for every pseudo-excuse you bring up. I need not "debunk" anything for the show does it plain as day for me.Tylaen said: It's been rather amusing to see the defenders of this show slowly convert to this defense of Rudeus not actually being an adult in a small body, literally negating the first 2 minutes of the first episodes and the literal synopsis. ( As well as his baby self acting with full knowledge of all his actions, plus narrating in his old man voice) You gotta do what you gotta do for what you love, I guess. Still funny in a very morbid sense of the word! Again. Can you show me any proof where brain age is the actual age of the person? You never debunked my claim but just said it was wrong. By DNA Rudeus is no longer an adult. You can say "but he has an adult brain" all you want. If an adult taught me a bunch of shit about sex at 7 years old until I became a degenerate like Rudeus. Would that make me a pedophile just because I have the same knowledge as an adult? Reincarnation and continuing life are 2 different things. Hes not continuing life in another world hes being reincarnated as a kid. By DNA hes still a kid. Therefore, by definiton of "pedophile", he isn't one. I'd like to see your argument against this. Watch the two minutes of the opening on repeat. Seamless transplant of a pedophile who gets carte blanche due to his deceptive looks. |
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Tylaen said: It's been rather amusing to see the defenders of this show slowly convert to this defense of Rudeus not actually being an adult in a small body, literally negating the first 2 minutes of the first episodes and the literal synopsis. ( As well as his baby self acting with full knowledge of all his actions, plus narrating in his old man voice) You gotta do what you gotta do for what you love, I guess. Still funny in a very morbid sense of the word! I mean, even if mentally hes an adult hes still phsyically a child, idk about an argument of him not actually being an adult in a childs body... its pretty obvious that he is... also ill just add onto it with this: we count the age of our bodies as we grow, not specifically our brain or our mentality, based on at least that he is no longer a 30+ year old but a 7 year old (in the current episode), not to say that it makes his actions any less meaningful, by definition tho he is beyond his previous life not a pedophile... tho I assume we all agree that before his reincarnation hes very likely to be a pedophile regardless of which medium you experience this series from. |
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Tylaen said: AnimeLeviathan said: That you're unable to accept the premise of the show is not my issue, Levi. Feel free to watch those two minutes over and over, and you'll still be wrong for every pseudo-excuse you bring up. I need not "debunk" anything for the show does it plain as day for me.Again. Can you show me any proof where brain age is the actual age of the person? You never debunked my claim but just said it was wrong. By DNA Rudeus is no longer an adult. You can say "but he has an adult brain" all you want. If an adult taught me a bunch of shit about sex at 7 years old until I became a degenerate like Rudeus. Would that make me a pedophile just because I have the same knowledge as an adult? Reincarnation and continuing life are 2 different things. Hes not continuing life in another world hes being reincarnated as a kid. By DNA hes still a kid. Therefore, by definiton of "pedophile", he isn't one. I'd like to see your argument against this. Watch the two minutes of the opening on repeat. Seamless transplant of a pedophile who gets carte blanche due to his deceptive looks. hey man im all up for debates and arguments... this? this is not one of them... |
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Hyperactivy said: As much as some people are willing to accept an authors literal narrative device as an excuse to get away with things, I am not. That people try to use the mechanics of reincarnation as an argument against me just bounces right off of me.Tylaen said: It's been rather amusing to see the defenders of this show slowly convert to this defense of Rudeus not actually being an adult in a small body, literally negating the first 2 minutes of the first episodes and the literal synopsis. ( As well as his baby self acting with full knowledge of all his actions, plus narrating in his old man voice) You gotta do what you gotta do for what you love, I guess. Still funny in a very morbid sense of the word! I mean, even if mentally hes an adult hes still phsyically a child, idk about an argument of him not actually being an adult in a childs body... its pretty obvious that he is... also ill just add onto it with this: we count the age of our bodies as we grow, not specifically our brain or our mentality, based on at least that he is no longer a 30+ year old but a 7 year old (in the current episode), not to say that it makes his actions any less meaningful, by definition tho he is beyond his previous life not a pedophile... tho I assume we all agree that before his reincarnation hes very likely to be a pedophile regardless of which medium you experience this series from. I sorta wonder when they'll realize that. hey man im all up for debates and arguments... this? this is not one of them... Neither am I. It's arguing against the literal premise, so all I can do is just have them watch the first episode again and again. |
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Tylaen said: Hyperactivy said: As much as some people are willing to accept an authors literal narrative device as an excuse to get away with things, I am not. That people try to use the mechanics of reincarnation as an argument against me just bounces right off of me.I mean, even if mentally hes an adult hes still phsyically a child, idk about an argument of him not actually being an adult in a childs body... its pretty obvious that he is... also ill just add onto it with this: we count the age of our bodies as we grow, not specifically our brain or our mentality, based on at least that he is no longer a 30+ year old but a 7 year old (in the current episode), not to say that it makes his actions any less meaningful, by definition tho he is beyond his previous life not a pedophile... tho I assume we all agree that before his reincarnation hes very likely to be a pedophile regardless of which medium you experience this series from. I sorta wonder when they'll realize that. hey man im all up for debates and arguments... this? this is not one of them... Neither am I. It's arguing against the literal premise, so all I can do is just have them watch the first episode again and again.I watched the first episode. The moment he gets reincarnated those are literally just memories of him in a past life. Everything he knows and learned are memories of stuff he learned and knew in his past life. Hes still a kid. The premis is "An adult gets reincarnated as a baby in another world with the same knowledge". The synopsis you told me to read literally says hes a baby in the new world. The first episode didn't debunk my argument. |
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Tylaen said: AnimeLeviathan said: That you're unable to accept the premise of the show is not my issue, Levi. Feel free to watch those two minutes over and over, and you'll still be wrong for every pseudo-excuse you bring up. I need not "debunk" anything for the show does it plain as day for me.Again. Can you show me any proof where brain age is the actual age of the person? You never debunked my claim but just said it was wrong. By DNA Rudeus is no longer an adult. You can say "but he has an adult brain" all you want. If an adult taught me a bunch of shit about sex at 7 years old until I became a degenerate like Rudeus. Would that make me a pedophile just because I have the same knowledge as an adult? Reincarnation and continuing life are 2 different things. Hes not continuing life in another world hes being reincarnated as a kid. By DNA hes still a kid. Therefore, by definiton of "pedophile", he isn't one. I'd like to see your argument against this. Watch the two minutes of the opening on repeat. Seamless transplant of a pedophile who gets carte blanche due to his deceptive looks. He has been reincarnated, not transported. Do you not know the difference between those two? I see you don't. |
Teodrik said: AnimeLeviathan said: Me saying "its only fiction" is a subjective thing hense it isn't an argument. Thats why I never used it. They aren't "science excuses" they are facts. You've yet to put up any argument. He did sexual assault someone but that doesn't affect me as much as pedophillia. this is cherry-picking science facts sorry but that's how it is. As I said you are trying to scientifically explain unscientific concept of soul and reincarnation - that's not how it's works. 9yo will not be sexual offender by himself his body and brain if not developed enough to has sexual urges pff even memories are part of our bodies. Also it's clearly shown in anime that is urges and thoughts are from past life by giving him different voice. From the first my post I was saying about something else than just naming him pedo so you cherrypicked even part of my comment just to say "he is not a pedo". Yes he is dangerous degenerate Mary Sue and his degenerate actions are needlessly thrown into history and doesn't even add anything to the story besides ruining whole world building.... No sorry world building is a trash not only because of mc every character in this story does not show any consistency of interaction with other characters or their own Everything but him being a pedophile is true. Is he a sex offender? Yes. But that only matters if its illegal in the world he lives. That doesn't even matter though because he thinks its wrong in his past life. |
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Tylaen said: Hyperactivy said: As much as some people are willing to accept an authors literal narrative device as an excuse to get away with things, I am not. That people try to use the mechanics of reincarnation as an argument against me just bounces right off of me.I mean, even if mentally hes an adult hes still phsyically a child, idk about an argument of him not actually being an adult in a childs body... its pretty obvious that he is... also ill just add onto it with this: we count the age of our bodies as we grow, not specifically our brain or our mentality, based on at least that he is no longer a 30+ year old but a 7 year old (in the current episode), not to say that it makes his actions any less meaningful, by definition tho he is beyond his previous life not a pedophile... tho I assume we all agree that before his reincarnation hes very likely to be a pedophile regardless of which medium you experience this series from. I sorta wonder when they'll realize that. hey man im all up for debates and arguments... this? this is not one of them... Neither am I. It's arguing against the literal premise, so all I can do is just have them watch the first episode again and again.for the first part, if it wasnt used as a narrative device or was used in a different form such as him having memories of a life he doesnt think he lived the series itself would suffer a lot, it actually lets the story work as intended from what ive seen across the manga and stuff I heard from other people... like, him reincarnating is actually relevant to the overall plot and isnt just an excuse to let a child do as he pleases, if you want I can tell you in a spoiler tag what I learned about it but its massive spoilers so tell me if you do as for the second part, I think you misunderstood me, what I meant is the way you phrased and made your point... isnt a real argument, for example "That you're unable to accept the premise of the show is not my issue" is dismissing your requirement of making a counter argument, if you could make a good one or not isnt the point and if you are right or not isnt either... thats not an argument... |
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Teodrik said: Defenders of this show deceiving themselves by saying "IT'S FICTION NOT REALITY" but this is just defending enjoying watching pedophilia. Those fucked pedo scenes, masturbation scenes etc give nothing to story don't have any reason to be there there. Characters don't react like humans in this situations. Even on Hentai or Ecchi those kind of scenes treat characters more like human beings, have some conclusions and are better situated in the story. Never did I say in the original post that I support or enjoy his pedophilia/sexual assaulting behaviors in the original post. All I said don't try to insinuate that enjoying this show means you support this type of behavior. There is a reason for those messed-up scenes. They are supposed to make you understand how f*cked up Rudy is. This is a show about the development of its character through experiences. It's not about becoming OP like Kirito. Rudy in the show is not supposed to be a role model or a self-insert character, which I would never do since I know the boundaries of Fiction and Reality. If we do go by your standards then I should like being a murder, an anarchist, a school shooter, etc.. since I used to love playing GTA 5 with my friends a few months back in the quartine. In GTA 5 I love crashing cars into my friends and random NPCs. Shooting guns. Now, do I want that type of shit to happen in real life? Am I defending these types of awful actions in real life? Hell no. I would not do anything like that in real life or even support it. I drew the line between fiction and reality. The media that I consume does not and will not change my morals before and after, so I see no problem with enjoying shooting random NPC in GTA 5 for jokes. P.S. If anyone is watching for this messed up shit only, then I would say you are in the right to call them a pedo lover. But, if you are watching this for more than just that such as the animation, music, voice acting, plot, and character growth. Then you have no right to assume that people who are enjoying the show are defenders of pedophiles or the act of sexual assault. [Edit] I don't want to go into whether his behavior is either closer to being a pedophile or close to sexual assault. I just know that both equally bad. |
_Lyborick_Feb 16, 2021 10:16 AM
@AnimeLeviathan Then you must be willfully ignorant. I'm a bit tired of this rather dumb theory you've got going on, so I'll actually put some effort into it! Brace yourself. We start out at the hospital where he is currently just now dying and this fades into black, transitioning directly into his birth with his constant narration.  He immediately acknowledges that "HE" is still alive, very much implying it is still him from the other world. This theme of him acknowledging it's the literal him from the other world having been inserted into this body by divulging information he knows of his previous body.    He is super aware the instant he is born and immediately perceives everything, even deducing that he has been reborn.  Then we have the literal nail into the dumb false premise you've set up by acknowledging his literal age.  I would appreciate if you stopped playing dumb with me now. |
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Hyperactivy said: PM it to me instead. I've already been absorbing various tidpits of spoilers so I believe I'm aware of some of it.Tylaen said: As much as some people are willing to accept an authors literal narrative device as an excuse to get away with things, I am not. That people try to use the mechanics of reincarnation as an argument against me just bounces right off of me. I sorta wonder when they'll realize that. Neither am I. It's arguing against the literal premise, so all I can do is just have them watch the first episode again and again. for the first part, if it wasnt used as a narrative device or was used in a different form such as him having memories of a life he doesnt think he lived the series itself would suffer a lot, it actually lets the story work as intended from what ive seen across the manga and stuff I heard from other people... like, him reincarnating is actually relevant to the overall plot and isnt just an excuse to let a child do as he pleases, if you want I can tell you in a spoiler tag what I learned about it but its massive spoilers so tell me if you do as for the second part, I think you misunderstood me, what I meant is the way you phrased and made your point... isnt a real argument, for example "That you're unable to accept the premise of the show is not my issue" is dismissing your requirement of making a counter argument, if you could make a good one or not isnt the point and if you are right or not isnt either... thats not an argument... As for the second bit, you're absolutely right. I utterly dismissed the need for an argument because I find the premise of the discussion a false one to begin with.. I'm not sorry, I'm just disappointed. Not in you, just for clarification. |
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Tylaen said: @AnimeLeviathan Then you must be willfully ignorant. I'm a bit tired of this rather dumb theory you've got going on, so I'll actually put some effort into it! Brace yourself. We start out at the hospital where he is currently just now dying and this fades into black, transitioning directly into his birth with his constant narration. He immediately acknowledges that "HE" is still alive, very much implying it is still him from the other world. This theme of him acknowledging it's the literal him from the other world having been inserted into this body by divulging information he knows of his previous body. He is super aware the instant he is born and immediately perceives everything, even deducing that he has been reborn. Then we have the literal nail into the dumb false premise you've set up by acknowledging his literal age. I would appreciate if you stopped playing dumb with me now. I guess you didn't understand anything I wrote. Yes he has the same memories. So obviously I was saying he knew literally everything including the fact that he got reincarnated. Hes still getting reincarnated as a baby even if he was an adult. If I die and carry on the exact same memories including my age, I'd still think im an adult too. Doesn't mean im still an adult. |
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AnimeLeviathan said: I understood you fully and I've dismissed your claims, and I've no interest in furthering this pointless chit chat with you. That you've wrangled a new narrative for yourself is your own business. See you in another thread.Tylaen said: @AnimeLeviathan Then you must be willfully ignorant. I'm a bit tired of this rather dumb theory you've got going on, so I'll actually put some effort into it! Brace yourself. We start out at the hospital where he is currently just now dying and this fades into black, transitioning directly into his birth with his constant narration. He immediately acknowledges that "HE" is still alive, very much implying it is still him from the other world. This theme of him acknowledging it's the literal him from the other world having been inserted into this body by divulging information he knows of his previous body. He is super aware the instant he is born and immediately perceives everything, even deducing that he has been reborn. Then we have the literal nail into the dumb false premise you've set up by acknowledging his literal age. I would appreciate if you stopped playing dumb with me now. I guess you didn't understand anything I wrote. Yes he has the same memories. So obviously I was saying he knew literally everything including the fact that he got reincarnated. Hes still getting reincarnated as a baby even if he was an adult. If I die and carry on the exact same memories including my age, I'd still think im an adult too. Doesn't mean im still an adult. |
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Tylaen said: Hyperactivy said: PM it to me instead. I've already been absorbing various tidpits of spoilers so I believe I'm aware of some of it.for the first part, if it wasnt used as a narrative device or was used in a different form such as him having memories of a life he doesnt think he lived the series itself would suffer a lot, it actually lets the story work as intended from what ive seen across the manga and stuff I heard from other people... like, him reincarnating is actually relevant to the overall plot and isnt just an excuse to let a child do as he pleases, if you want I can tell you in a spoiler tag what I learned about it but its massive spoilers so tell me if you do as for the second part, I think you misunderstood me, what I meant is the way you phrased and made your point... isnt a real argument, for example "That you're unable to accept the premise of the show is not my issue" is dismissing your requirement of making a counter argument, if you could make a good one or not isnt the point and if you are right or not isnt either... thats not an argument... As for the second bit, you're absolutely right. I utterly dismissed the need for an argument because I find the premise of the discussion a false one to begin with.. I'm not sorry, I'm just disappointed. Not in you, just for clarification. its all good man, as soon as I figure out how to PM ill send it to you so just give me a second |
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Tylaen said: AnimeLeviathan said: I understood you fully and I've dismissed your claims, and I've no interest in furthering this pointless chit chat with you. That you've wrangled a new narrative for yourself is your own business. See you in another thread.I guess you didn't understand anything I wrote. Yes he has the same memories. So obviously I was saying he knew literally everything including the fact that he got reincarnated. Hes still getting reincarnated as a baby even if he was an adult. If I die and carry on the exact same memories including my age, I'd still think im an adult too. Doesn't mean im still an adult. Its as simple as this. Age = the amount of years "someone" has been alive. We have 2 different definitions of that "someone". |
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Teodrik said: _Lyborick_ said: Never did I say in the original post that I support or enjoy his pedophilia/sexual assaulting behaviors in the original post. All I said don't try to insinuate that enjoying this show means you support this type of behavior. There is a reason for those messed-up scenes. They are supposed to make you understand how f*cked up Rudy is. This is a show about the development of its character through experiences. It's not about becoming OP like Kirito. Rudy in the show is not supposed to be a role model or a self-insert character, which I would never do since I know the boundaries of Fiction and Reality. If we do go by your standards then I should like being a murder, an anarchist, a school shooter, etc.. since I used to love playing GTA 5 with my friends a few months back in the quartine. In GTA 5 I love crashing cars into my friends and random NPCs. Shooting guns. Now, do I want that type of shit to happen in real life? Am I defending these types of awful actions in real life? Hell no. I would not do anything like that in real life or even support it. I drew the line between fiction and reality. The media that I consume does not and will not change my morals before and after, so I see no problem with enjoying shooting random NPC in GTA 5 for jokes. P.S. If anyone is watching for this messed up shit only, then I would say you are in the right to call them a pedo lover. But, if you are watching this for more than just that such as the animation, music, voice acting, plot, and character growth. Then you have no right to assume that people who are enjoying the show are defenders of pedophiles or the act of sexual assault. [Edit] I don't want to go into whether his behavior is either closer to being a pedophile or close to sexual assault. I just know that both equally bad. Rudy is a hero of the story and whole story build him as a good guy despites that he is messed up also the portrayal of him as "messed up hero" is so clueless that it doesn't really outline which behaviours are good and which are bad. On GTA you are always a criminal story tell you that you are criminal. Choose better example. You put totally different cases here. while ill admit that he is seen as a good guy he isnt exactly seen as an "hero" as far as im aware, also main character doesnt equal hero, just stating the obvious for the sake of it being said. he isnt portrayed as a "good guy", he may be seen as such by other characters but its quite obvious that to the viewer he is meant to be seen as a loser given a second chance trying to build his way up with all his flaws, he is portrayed as a pervert who would molest people as they sleep... he is not portrayed as an hero and a good guy? well thats debatable I guess... |
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