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Apr 2, 2016 9:03 AM
#201
Whoah,MAL is like the anime community's Mensa!! Who would have thought!!!!!! |
Apr 2, 2016 9:06 AM
#202
Zapredon said: my IQ must've dropped, I stopped liking itM42K0 said: IQ: 164 Test: Mensa test, deviation 24 Favorite anime: Code Geass R2 (and DBZ from childhood) Edit: Yes, I do believe intelligent people strive for complexity in anime. My dad had 166 IQ when he did it (was my age, 19-20) and I can easily guess which type of anime he (or me, for that sake) would like. :) Also, I tend to believe people with lower IQ are "bought" more easily with good animation or openings and probably, to some extent, like fan service (which I personally can't stand for more than 0.1s) more than your average IQ 140+ guy. So people who love Code Geass have high IQ. |
Apr 2, 2016 9:49 AM
#203
Idk about iq but if you like logh you're definitely culturally and socially inept |
Apr 2, 2016 9:55 AM
#204
My IQ: 60 - 80 Favorite Anime: Evangelion/Monster |
added the fourth most popular anime onto this site |
Apr 2, 2016 10:16 AM
#205
nameskizo said: Zapredon said: Where does the wiki link mention IQ? No where. OP just either pulled shit out of their ass or this is some sort of april fools IQ-test to test if people know how to criticize sources. As it seems, people tend to believe everything they read on the net without trying to do some research themselves. High score on openness leads people to listen to more complex genres High score in IQ is usually achieved by people who score high on openness Therefore, people who listen to more complex genres usually have a higher IQ. It's right there in the article. Just putting it in simpler terms for you. KonaKoffee4 said: Trance- said: KonaKoffee4 said: IQ does not test your intuition, you can even look that up. Intuition is what allows to be aware of the knowledge that you have and likely the ability to think outside the box ,but intuition is not what allows you to deduce the problems within that knowledge from a logical perspective. Also, I do agree that there are times where your intuition can make it easier for one to invent ideas with the use of math, physics, or even chemistry, but I am not sure by "Why say you, that people with higher IQ are naturally good at maths as well? ". I never mentioned anything about math directly, and you do realize math is much more complex than what you have stated within this thread?... Also, what exactly do you mean by a "puzzle masquerade"? Also, your statement for what IQ measures was almost correct, but I feel you are using the term IQ with the same exact meaning as human intelligence. IQ is tested in order to have a slightly more accurate evaluation on your overall intelligence (or at least the ability to be intelligent). You have your intelligence tested in order to asses decision making, drive, and ethics, but these "intelligence" test are far more difficult to measure when trying to use logical and factual reasoning. Your intelligence cannot be tested as clearly as your IQ can, but your IQ is in ratio with your intelligence (or to clearly state, in relation to your intelligence, but never having the same exact meaning). Also, interpreting the meaning of a topic or a problem is not the same thing as having insight to the larger picture that may revolve around that topic or problem. It's not to say that people with high IQs lack insight , but when it comes to having insight for less obvious notions you'll see that your IQ level ends up meaning far less than what you originally thought. Majority of Maths is intuition-based. High IQ means better intuition and better intuition means better math skills. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition#In_Western_philosophy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction#In_mathematics IQ is a measure of human intelligence; it doesn't take in account all the factors, surely, but whatever it measures is credible enough to be used. Folks at MENSA aren't idiots for using IQ tests to gauge their candidates' intelligence. They're intelligent people gathered on basis of their IQ. If by intelligence you mean to gauge crystallized intelligence then you can notice it in the academic performance of a student. And a better academic performance is well correlated to a high IQ. IQ isn't objective, indeed. But to dismiss it solely based on the reason that it isn't objective is foolish. Art isn't objective; do we dismiss it? No. Talk about misinterpretating my statement -_- not once did i say dismiss IQ completely in life, but when it gets to the enjoyment of art. Your IQ is irrelevant at that point when it comes to understanding and investing emotions into a synbolic theme. Also, where are you getting some of these statements from? Did you understand what i was trying to say? My grandfather was a mensa member with a very very high iq, and a very academically intelligent man, but holy shit he could not comprehend deep emotions or things that were not as linear. Honestly, I have never seen someone talk and be so obsess with IQ as you are. Even when I am working alongside fellow engineers, a few having IQs over 145, will hardly ever talk about it and some even still managed to fail classes and not understand certain formulas. As long as your IQ is over 89 you should possess the ability to be highly intellectual and knowledgeable overall. When it comes to truly understanding subjects, truly getting good grades, coming up with original ideas, being motivated, and being intuitive your IQ does not have as much of a profound affect as you seem to believe it has. A high iq does not nean you understand every single thing that is presebted to you. Maybe it helps you understand information faster than others, but you also have to put in the effort to learn yourself. On top of that, you were initially relating it to taste in anime, in which the correlation is even less. The main thing one should focus on, when it comes to being seen as intelligent, is to worry about obtaining higher knowledge from school or at least become proficient on a certain subject or task. This means far more in the real world than how smart you look for having certain favorite anime series. Emotional intelligence has no link with, the other, intelligence. How can you, on the one hand, accept that IQ is the measure of intelligence, and on the other assert that IQ matters little in academics and the likes? I won't counter your opinion about IQ having no relation with tastes in anime (that was the purpose of the thread - to solicit people) but you need to make sense on the IQ part. |
Apr 2, 2016 10:16 AM
#206
TheBrainintheJar said: Trance- said: FloatingIdiot said: TheBrainintheJar said: People who take IQ seriously are funny and must think the education system actually works. Good post, I approve the spirit of the message People who don't take IQ seriously are salty because they didn't get enough score on a test. How such a wide thing as intelligence be summed up in a number? How can a test that only checks your right answers and not examines your specific thought process gauge intelligence. 1) IQ tests measure a few different things, and integrate them into a single number. As a result, a lot of data is lost. For example, they say there's fluid intelligence (which is raw brainpower - ability to find patterns) and crystallized intelligence (that is ability to use your experience). IQ test adds both into one score. 2) IQ test is made to be easy to administer and fair. As a result, a lot of qualities are lost. Basically, IQ to intelligence is like body temperature is to health. If your temperature is high, you know something is wrong, but just because temperature is alright, doesn't mean you're healthy. 3) IQ test results depend on the test-taker's state. You won't get as good results if you take it while drunk. 4) IQ test tells nothing about the taker's personality. Brilliant but lazy people aren't just a media cliche. Nico- said: Remember that there are multiple IQ tests, so that means it might not be a good measure of measuring intelligence in the first place, but if this is the focus on the thread, it shouldn't be challenged if that's what we're talking about here. Different IQ tests are said to give reasonably similar results. finestseeker17 said: Exactly! Don't worry about oil crisis, climate change or dying sun. MAL community will solve those problems for us. We'll see in 5 or 10 years, there will be discussions in CD about MAL users winning Fields Medal, Nobel Prize, Norman Medal, Edison Medal, Timoshenko Medal, etc. Thank God for allowing me to join such amazing community! Don't worry about the dying sun. Humanity is going to die out of something else way earlier. Climate change is not the task for people with high IQ. We pretty much know everything we need about it. The only thing left for a scientist to do is to make an army of death robots and force people to actually do something about it. Look forward to the fusion power replacing fossil fuels, though. Myself, I'm doing a lot more prosaic things. |
Apr 2, 2016 10:19 AM
#207
phreeak said: funny thing.. germany had was some researches about the viewership of different shows, genres whatever some years ago.. the results were, that people with an academic degree f.e often like trash-shows or series because its something unusual from their daily life and where they can just chill. so, ppl who are watching "bad anime" maybe more educated or intellectual than try-hards with their intellectual-complex-elitist anime. That doesn't factor in the 'stress' factor. Maybe more hardworking people are stressed out? TheBrainintheJar said: Trance- said: FloatingIdiot said: TheBrainintheJar said: People who take IQ seriously are funny and must think the education system actually works. Good post, I approve the spirit of the message People who don't take IQ seriously are salty because they didn't get enough score on a test. How such a wide thing as intelligence be summed up in a number? How can a test that only checks your right answers and not examines your specific thought process gauge intelligence. As if there could be varying thought processes that could lead to one correct conclusion to a certain question. 1 * 2 - 4 = ? No one will begin by thinking, ''if we multiply 3 with 69 and substract it with...''. There's only one thought process in logical thinking which will lead to the correct conclusion. It's called 'Intelligence quotient' for a reason; you're not analyzing the behavior of the other person neither are you trying to get into his mind. You just want to see how quickly, how efficiently, he solves a puzzle. |
Apr 2, 2016 11:04 AM
#208
IQ: https://gyazo.com/64f8709637e8457449f038088ffa0772 or 182 Favorite Anime: Sora no Otoshimono. My IQ is obviously too high for you plebs and you clearly cannot understand my genius taste. |
Apr 2, 2016 11:04 AM
#209
Trance- said: nameskizo said: Zapredon said: Where does the wiki link mention IQ? No where. OP just either pulled shit out of their ass or this is some sort of april fools IQ-test to test if people know how to criticize sources. As it seems, people tend to believe everything they read on the net without trying to do some research themselves. High score on openness leads people to listen to more complex genres High score in IQ is usually achieved by people who score high on openness Therefore, people who listen to more complex genres usually have a higher IQ. It's right there in the article. Just putting it in simpler terms for you. no no no. Openness to experience implies how willing you are to trying different things. It is merely a correlation to listening to more complex genres and not a causation, as there could be other variables to lead to that conclusion. IQ could be one of those variables but was no where mentioned on the wiki page you linked. I can might as well say that the more toilet you have, the higher your IQ because people with low IQ tend to be poorer and have no toilet. That's a false claim since IQ and toilet are merely correlations, not a direct causation because there could be other variables such as poverty, life situation, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation You can't make up your own interpretation of a wiki link and call it "putting in simpler terms" when there's no where in that link that mentioned what you said. |
Apr 2, 2016 11:23 AM
#210
kamisama751 said: Idiots_on_MAL said: IQ: https://gyazo.com/64f8709637e8457449f038088ffa0772 or 182 Favorite Anime: Sora no Otoshimono. My IQ is obviously too high for you plebs and you clearly cannot understand my genius taste. Yes, Sora no Otoshimono has a deep meaning and most people can't understand it. What a shame. Truly indeed. I wish these elitist plebs would rise to our level and understand the in-depth meaning behind underrated anime. |
Apr 2, 2016 11:28 AM
#211
So just a quick question, who really took an I.Q. test that was run by a state, not online I.Q. test? |
Apr 2, 2016 11:30 AM
#212
nameskizo said: Trance- said: nameskizo said: Zapredon said: Where does the wiki link mention IQ? No where. OP just either pulled shit out of their ass or this is some sort of april fools IQ-test to test if people know how to criticize sources. As it seems, people tend to believe everything they read on the net without trying to do some research themselves. High score on openness leads people to listen to more complex genres High score in IQ is usually achieved by people who score high on openness Therefore, people who listen to more complex genres usually have a higher IQ. It's right there in the article. Just putting it in simpler terms for you. no no no. Openness to experience implies how willing you are to trying different things. It is merely a correlation to listening to more complex genres and not a causation, as there could be other variables to lead to that conclusion. IQ could be one of those variables but was no where mentioned on the wiki page you linked. I can might as well say that the more toilet you have, the higher your IQ because people with low IQ tend to be poorer and have no toilet. That's a false claim since IQ and toilet are merely correlations, not a direct causation because there could be other variables such as poverty, life situation, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation You can't make up your own interpretation of a wiki link and call it "putting in simpler terms" when there's no where in that link that mentioned what you said. Point out a single instance in this whole thread where I implied 'causation'. It's right there in the OP: ''as there's a 'relation' between....'' |
Apr 2, 2016 11:41 AM
#213
kamisama751 said: _Ako_ said: So just a quick question, who really took an I.Q. test that was run by a state, not online I.Q. test? Who wants to give money to the state just because of this silly thread. :D Basically no one has taken a "legit" I.Q. test... Ok, thanks for answering my silly question. |
Apr 2, 2016 11:46 AM
#214
Hm. I have had a lot of debates about musical appreciation apropos musical understanding (which is definitely related to intelligence). For example, a lot of people will scoff at some types of music, describing it as pretentious merely because it employs unconventional time signatures and it is often - this is the giveaway - those who do not understand such time signatures. I have noticed this a lot over the years. Of course, there is pretentious music, but most of the time, those who make such accusations simply assume a work is pretentious because "no one would seriously enjoy it" (they don't understand it). Extrapolating on this, I can imagine the same kind of thing to apply to any art form, including anime, of course. I have only taken one IQ test (a formal one, conducted by a psychologist, not one of those phoney internet ones) but I was not aware that it was an actual IQ test (they tricked me). I took it early in the morning with severe caffeine abstinence and did not focus properly, nor was I even aware that I was being timed, so I do not feel that it is entirely representative. However, under those circumstances, I had a result exactly two standard deviations above the average (i.e. 130). As for favorite anime... I haven't really seen that many shows, but I guess my favorite so far is Neon Genesis Evangelion, though it's been a while since I last saw it and I'm not sure I would like it as much today. I don't know that I have an 'intelligent' taste in anime, but I do appreciate when there is some depth. I absolutely do not consider myself to have a 'sophisticated' taste, but I do have a bias against mere fun most of the time. I don't think that's a question of intelligence though. |
Apr 2, 2016 11:52 AM
#215
Trance- said: nameskizo said: Zapredon said: Where does the wiki link mention IQ? No where. OP just either pulled shit out of their ass or this is some sort of april fools IQ-test to test if people know how to criticize sources. As it seems, people tend to believe everything they read on the net without trying to do some research themselves. High score on openness leads people to listen to more complex genres High score in IQ is usually achieved by people who score high on openness Therefore, people who listen to more complex genres usually have a higher IQ. It's right there in the article. Just putting it in simpler terms for you. KonaKoffee4 said: Trance- said: KonaKoffee4 said: IQ does not test your intuition, you can even look that up. Intuition is what allows to be aware of the knowledge that you have and likely the ability to think outside the box ,but intuition is not what allows you to deduce the problems within that knowledge from a logical perspective. Also, I do agree that there are times where your intuition can make it easier for one to invent ideas with the use of math, physics, or even chemistry, but I am not sure by "Why say you, that people with higher IQ are naturally good at maths as well? ". I never mentioned anything about math directly, and you do realize math is much more complex than what you have stated within this thread?... Also, what exactly do you mean by a "puzzle masquerade"? Also, your statement for what IQ measures was almost correct, but I feel you are using the term IQ with the same exact meaning as human intelligence. IQ is tested in order to have a slightly more accurate evaluation on your overall intelligence (or at least the ability to be intelligent). You have your intelligence tested in order to asses decision making, drive, and ethics, but these "intelligence" test are far more difficult to measure when trying to use logical and factual reasoning. Your intelligence cannot be tested as clearly as your IQ can, but your IQ is in ratio with your intelligence (or to clearly state, in relation to your intelligence, but never having the same exact meaning). Also, interpreting the meaning of a topic or a problem is not the same thing as having insight to the larger picture that may revolve around that topic or problem. It's not to say that people with high IQs lack insight , but when it comes to having insight for less obvious notions you'll see that your IQ level ends up meaning far less than what you originally thought. Majority of Maths is intuition-based. High IQ means better intuition and better intuition means better math skills. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition#In_Western_philosophy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction#In_mathematics IQ is a measure of human intelligence; it doesn't take in account all the factors, surely, but whatever it measures is credible enough to be used. Folks at MENSA aren't idiots for using IQ tests to gauge their candidates' intelligence. They're intelligent people gathered on basis of their IQ. If by intelligence you mean to gauge crystallized intelligence then you can notice it in the academic performance of a student. And a better academic performance is well correlated to a high IQ. IQ isn't objective, indeed. But to dismiss it solely based on the reason that it isn't objective is foolish. Art isn't objective; do we dismiss it? No. Talk about misinterpretating my statement -_- not once did i say dismiss IQ completely in life, but when it gets to the enjoyment of art. Your IQ is irrelevant at that point when it comes to understanding and investing emotions into a synbolic theme. Also, where are you getting some of these statements from? Did you understand what i was trying to say? My grandfather was a mensa member with a very very high iq, and a very academically intelligent man, but holy shit he could not comprehend deep emotions or things that were not as linear. Honestly, I have never seen someone talk and be so obsess with IQ as you are. Even when I am working alongside fellow engineers, a few having IQs over 145, will hardly ever talk about it and some even still managed to fail classes and not understand certain formulas. As long as your IQ is over 89 you should possess the ability to be highly intellectual and knowledgeable overall. When it comes to truly understanding subjects, truly getting good grades, coming up with original ideas, being motivated, and being intuitive your IQ does not have as much of a profound affect as you seem to believe it has. A high iq does not nean you understand every single thing that is presebted to you. Maybe it helps you understand information faster than others, but you also have to put in the effort to learn yourself. On top of that, you were initially relating it to taste in anime, in which the correlation is even less. The main thing one should focus on, when it comes to being seen as intelligent, is to worry about obtaining higher knowledge from school or at least become proficient on a certain subject or task. This means far more in the real world than how smart you look for having certain favorite anime series. Emotional intelligence has no link with, the other, intelligence. How can you, on the one hand, accept that IQ is the measure of intelligence, and on the other assert that IQ matters little in academics and the likes? I won't counter your opinion about IQ having no relation with tastes in anime (that was the purpose of the thread - to solicit people) but you need to make sense on the IQ part. When it comes to the technical parts of academics, IQ may come in handy. However, innovation and viewing things from a larger perspective, and understanding things that are not always there in front of you, do not have much to do with IQ as some may think. The way a professor of mine stated before "IQ may give you a boost at the start of your academic career, but your drive to learn is what can push you ahead of everyone else". As far as the academic world, there are certain career paths and academic courses in which your IQ is not always going to be the key to your success. Intelligence and knowledge OVERALL, putting IQ aside for the moment, has to do mainly with what you know, how you know, and your ability to understand the vast majority of topics thrown at you. Just because someone has a 150 IQ does not mean they posses the drive to comprehend topics outside of their own ideals. I've always been good at math and physics, and one could argue that the reason why I am good at those subjects has to do with my IQ, but I always have to give credit to my persistence to learn and understand. My brother has an IQ of about 140 (only slightly less than mine), but there are a lot of things he doesn't understand during our discussions, even some basic ideas can be hard for him to understand. A lot of this has to do with the fact that deep down he doesn't want to understand and he really does not care about learning. _Ako_ said: So just a quick question, who really took an I.Q. test that was run by a state, not online I.Q. test? I took the WJ cognitive III a few years ago at the request of my psychiatrist. There is an updated version, so I heard, but if you go to any psychiatrist you can pay and take it. |
Apr 2, 2016 11:57 AM
#216
Don't know what my IQ is but it must be pretty high since i like such intellectual and deep anime like Monster, however i think Death Note was only OK so i guess it could be higher :^( |
Apr 2, 2016 11:58 AM
#217
_Ako_ said: So just a quick question, who really took an I.Q. test that was run by a state, not online I.Q. test? I did, much to my chagrin. I'll refer to by above post if you find it interesting. |
Apr 2, 2016 12:14 PM
#218
Apr 2, 2016 12:15 PM
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Apr 2, 2016 12:16 PM
#220
keimaconquesta said: Two of the smartest in our grade are my friends, and they're also anime fans like me (though I'm on a lot higher level). Our no. 1 says Akame ga Kill is one of his favorite endings (I lol'd hard when he said this to me), and our no. 2 likes both mainstream and normal anime. Based on my two friends, I'd say IQ doesn't really matter in regards of your tastes in anime. P.S. : I don't know my IQ and I'm too lazy to take an IQ test. And being smart has nothing to do with IQ, just saying... ON: IQ: Never did a proper test, but on those random online ones i usually get 160-180 fav anime: aot, fate zero, code geass |
Apr 2, 2016 12:21 PM
#221
nimbussnidget said: Proof that SSY is objectively good and deserves a place in the top 5 on MAL. I'm really really pissed that it isn't. |
Apr 2, 2016 12:24 PM
#222
The funny thing with online tests is that no one seems to get a score below average; only well above. |
Apr 2, 2016 12:28 PM
#223
@KonaKoffee4 you can't "use" IQ. You can use your brain. IQ tests attempt to estimate how well you can use your brain. Sometimes they provide a valuable service, and other times they don't. But their value in our society is linked to how well people are able to understand the meaning of the test scores. By continuing to use the language you are using, you are contributing to societal misunderstanding of the topic, and thus actively adding to the negative side effects of the existence of the tests. This goes for other people too, but I just happened to see your post last. |
Apr 2, 2016 12:29 PM
#224
I feel this is relevant for this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/3ygt9k/what_does_an_iq_of_70_entail_cognitively/ It's just a regular post on reddit, however I feel the answers hold more credibility than what OP is stating, no offense. FloatingIdiot said: @KonaKoffee4 you can't "use" IQ. You can use your brain. IQ tests attempt to estimate how well you can use your brain. Sometimes they provide a valuable service, and other times they don't. But their value in our society is linked to how well people are able to understand the meaning of the test scores. By continuing to use the language you are using, you are contributing to societal misunderstanding of the topic, and thus actively adding to the negative side effects of the existence of the tests. Yes, I suppose I could have worded it differently instead of saying "use". The thing is that IQ is not what is going to force you to gain the persistence to understand and learn. These tests may have some relevancy when it comes to correlating one's intelligence, but it does not literally define one's intelligence as a whole. IQ tests may be relevant when it comes to one's cognitive ability as well as societal predictions (not causation nor correlation, though there are times where there might be a correlation), but that number you score on an IQ test does not define your overall knowledge and way of thinking. And as far as "negative side effects of the existence of the tests", there are people with much much higher IQs within the field of psychology and other sciences who have far worse things to say about IQ tests than I do. So it is not as if I am contributing to anything.. |
KonaKoffeeApr 2, 2016 12:42 PM
Apr 2, 2016 12:49 PM
#225
@KonaKoffee4 it's not just a minor distinction. Lack of proper understanding is the difference between IQ tests being a tool of limited use, versus a concept which primarily leads to erroneous conclusions. And you're still doing similar things. Nobody "has" an IQ. Where is your IQ? An IQ score is a standardized test score. You don't say you have an SAT. You say you got an SAT score of X. Our misuse of language, with regards to the concept of IQ scores, is likely a primary factor in leading to a huge misunderstanding of what they actually mean. You can either choose to not be part of the problem, or continue being part of the problem, as insignificant as you may find yourself. |
HalkenburgApr 2, 2016 12:53 PM
Apr 2, 2016 1:04 PM
#226
FloatingIdiot said: @KonaKoffee4 it's not just a minor distinction. Lack of proper understanding is the difference between IQ tests being a tool of limited use, versus a concept which primarily leads to erroneous conclusions. And you're still doing similar things. Nobody "has" an IQ. Where is your IQ? An IQ score is a standardized test score. You don't say you have an SAT. You say you got an SAT score of X. Our misuse of language, with regards to the concept of IQ scores, is likely a primary factor in leading to a huge misunderstanding of what they actually mean. You can either choose to be part of the problem, or continue being part of the problem, as insignificant as you may find yourself. Everyone knows what one means when they say someone has an "IQ", it is in reference to the number you score and that is quite clear. Also, how exactly would your IQ serve as a "tool"? It may be used an indicator for one's ability to learn, but how exactly would it be a direct tool? Also, how does one's IQ lead to incorrect or even correct conclusions? What conclusions are you talking about? As far as my statement in regards to IQ score having a relation to cognitive ability, that is clearly not wording it in a way where someone's literal IQ score can be physically seen nor found. Everyone here knows exactly what an IQ test is, the only problem is that people don't know WHAT they measure, which would be more relevant to focus on that if you choose to focus on it at all. Overall, I don't find it relevant that I know my own IQ score nor do I find it relevant when it comes to taste in anime. If people want to say someone's taste in anime has anything to do with what they got on an IQ test then whatever. Unless someone can cite me research that has actually been reviewed and published by a scientific journal, I will not see it as a fact nor a direct linkage between the two. |
KonaKoffeeApr 2, 2016 3:27 PM
Apr 2, 2016 1:24 PM
#227
Trance- said: nameskizo said: Trance- said: nameskizo said: Zapredon said: Where does the wiki link mention IQ? No where. OP just either pulled shit out of their ass or this is some sort of april fools IQ-test to test if people know how to criticize sources. As it seems, people tend to believe everything they read on the net without trying to do some research themselves. High score on openness leads people to listen to more complex genres High score in IQ is usually achieved by people who score high on openness Therefore, people who listen to more complex genres usually have a higher IQ. It's right there in the article. Just putting it in simpler terms for you. no no no. Openness to experience implies how willing you are to trying different things. It is merely a correlation to listening to more complex genres and not a causation, as there could be other variables to lead to that conclusion. IQ could be one of those variables but was no where mentioned on the wiki page you linked. I can might as well say that the more toilet you have, the higher your IQ because people with low IQ tend to be poorer and have no toilet. That's a false claim since IQ and toilet are merely correlations, not a direct causation because there could be other variables such as poverty, life situation, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation You can't make up your own interpretation of a wiki link and call it "putting in simpler terms" when there's no where in that link that mentioned what you said. Point out a single instance in this whole thread where I implied 'causation'. It's right there in the OP: ''as there's a 'relation' between....'' Yes you said "as there's a 'relation' between" and then you gave a wiki link which says nothing about your claim. IQ was merely a variable you took out of no-where and called it relative to a complex taste in genre (the more IQ, the more complex genre), but what you actually meant was a causation. By your conclusion in your post above, "openness" will lead to higher IQ since openness and complex genres are correlated. That means what your saying is that the more "openness" you have, the higher probability you have of having a higher IQ. With that logic, the more IQ a person has, the higher the chance the person will have more "openness". This is called reverse causation. Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with your hypothesis that there is a connection between IQ and complex tastes. It's just that you are spouting pseudo-science when you claim something and back it up with incoherent evidence. |
Apr 2, 2016 1:28 PM
#228
_Ako_ said: So just a quick question, who really took an I.Q. test that was run by a state, not online I.Q. test? Me, about a year ago. :) Although, technically, it's run by Mensa, not state. Also, did you guys really manage to make this a debate about what IQ, instead of just posting it with your favorite anime? Wouldn't it be... more fun that way..? :'( |
Apr 2, 2016 1:47 PM
#229
M42K0 said: _Ako_ said: So just a quick question, who really took an I.Q. test that was run by a state, not online I.Q. test? Me, about a year ago. :) Although, technically, it's run by Mensa, not state. Also, did you guys really manage to make this a debate about what IQ, instead of just posting it with your favorite anime? Wouldn't it be... more fun that way..? :'( Well I don't know why others bother to argue about something so trivial(for me at least). I think, for them, arguing about I.Q. makes themselves superior, and on top of that, making an argue that ties anime is just way outside the line. Either way... I'm just here lurking... |
Apr 2, 2016 2:15 PM
#230
Iq: 126 Iq Test: Fav anime: Kotoura-san |
Apr 2, 2016 2:54 PM
#231
Trance- said: The Wikipedia article doesn't say that though. What it says is:nameskizo said: Zapredon said: Where does the wiki link mention IQ? No where. OP just either pulled shit out of their ass or this is some sort of april fools IQ-test to test if people know how to criticize sources. As it seems, people tend to believe everything they read on the net without trying to do some research themselves. High score on openness leads people to listen to more complex genres High score in IQ is usually achieved by people who score high on openness Therefore, people who listen to more complex genres usually have a higher IQ. People rating higher in openness also tend to rate higher in self-assessed intelligence. This suggests that high openness leads to higher self-perceived intelligence In simple terms since you obviously didn't understand the article, people who are more open to new experiences think they're highly intelligent (even though they might not be) and prefer analysing music more than people who aren't open to new experiences. Nowhere does it mention IQ or intelligence other than self-assessed intelligence.… Openness to experience is also positively correlated with intellectual or cognitive use of music, which means that this individual enjoys analyzing complex musical compositions. Most IQ test are based on the idea that all forms of intelligence correlate to what's a general intelligence score, g. Logical tests (like the progressive matrices you linked to earlier) correlate particularly well with g, though less well for women than men. The generally accepted model since the 1930's has been that g is a good measure for intelligence in all categories, but this view has been challenged more and more recently. More comprehensive IQ tests take all sorts of different intelligence measures, but there are also criticisms of these. For instance, people who went to schools in less affluent areas still score lower which suggests isn't a measure of "raw" intelligence (if such a thing exists). A properly administered IQ test might give you a general idea of how well someone will do academically but you should be aware of the flaws. Really you just need to climb out of your ass. Mathematical ability doesn't make you better or worse than anyone else. Saying complex anime is better because people with above average intelligence (clearly you include yourself in that group) like it is clearly just a way to try and justify your opinions being "objectively better" than others. Take your self-serving intellectual snobbery somewhere else. |
Apr 2, 2016 3:21 PM
#232
IQ: 150s (actual administered IQ test when I was younger, can't remember exact number, it was on the low side of the 150s though) My Favorite Anime: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood I think the correlation between intelligence and taste is not, "you're this smart, you enjoy this type of show" but rather identifies how much range you can enjoy. I would assume being of a higher intellect can will allow you to enjoy deeper, more intellectual and complex shows themselves while if you're not the smartest in the bunch you probably are more likely to only appreciate the obvious eye-catching things(not that there's anything wrong with this, it's just easier to latch onto and understand). I'm also not so sure IQ is a great test of intelligence, but that's a whole different topic. |
JAW7Apr 2, 2016 3:24 PM
Immahnoob said: They say Jesus walked on water. People are made out of 79% water. I can walk on people. So I am 79% Jesus. Sourire said: I once fucked an apple pie. |
Apr 2, 2016 3:27 PM
#233
IQ: 120 Test: It was some test with blue background, totally forgot the website. But it was a pretty hard one with 30 questions about imgs and numbers. Fav Anime: Yosuga no Sora: In Solitude, Where We Are Least Alone. I am a smart perverted \o/ |
Apr 2, 2016 4:00 PM
#234
The IQ test is not a real indicator of someone's intelligence. People can be trained to achieve very good results in that kind of test. Even the definition of what is called "intelligence" is not very clear, experts and scientists are still arguing about it. I personally found some relationship between "watching anime" and "STEM" people. I know some mathematicians, engineers and the like whose profile image on twitter is it's favourites anime character. I am myself an engineer. |
Apr 2, 2016 4:04 PM
#235
2nOrderEDO said: I personally found some relationship between "watching anime" and "STEM" people. I know some mathematicians, engineers and the like whose profile image on twitter is it's favourites anime character. I am an engineer myself. This is a really bad comparison think how easy you could make this up for anything, there's no logic behind it |
Immahnoob said: They say Jesus walked on water. People are made out of 79% water. I can walk on people. So I am 79% Jesus. Sourire said: I once fucked an apple pie. |
Apr 2, 2016 4:07 PM
#236
Apr 2, 2016 4:14 PM
#237
TheArchangels said: 2nOrderEDO said: I personally found some relationship between "watching anime" and "STEM" people. I know some mathematicians, engineers and the like whose profile image on twitter is it's favourites anime character. I am an engineer myself. This is a really bad comparison think how easy you could make this up for anything, there's no logic behind it That's why I said "personally". I was commenting something I noticed. It does not necessarily reflect reality. :') |
Apr 2, 2016 7:36 PM
#238
My IQ: 131. Test: First year in high school. My favorite anime: Shirobako. Wait, does it matter? |
Apr 2, 2016 8:15 PM
#240
Apparently the website free-iqtest.net is an einstein generator. |
GaryLApr 2, 2016 8:19 PM
Apr 2, 2016 8:26 PM
#241
Apr 2, 2016 10:44 PM
#242
SkullProX said: keimaconquesta said: Two of the smartest in our grade are my friends, and they're also anime fans like me (though I'm on a lot higher level). Our no. 1 says Akame ga Kill is one of his favorite endings (I lol'd hard when he said this to me), and our no. 2 likes both mainstream and normal anime. Based on my two friends, I'd say IQ doesn't really matter in regards of your tastes in anime. P.S. : I don't know my IQ and I'm too lazy to take an IQ test. And being smart has nothing to do with IQ, just saying... Oh, I forgot to tell you, but they actually have the highest IQ in our age in the whole country. It was based on a nationwide IQ test... I'm not kidding. |
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Apr 2, 2016 10:48 PM
#243
My IQ came out was 145 in high school, but that was then (IQ is partially dependent on age, and I don't change), and IQ tests are pretty BS. And of course, I like Code Geass. Taste in anime is mostly personality though. |
Be thankful for the wisdom granted to you. |
Apr 3, 2016 12:07 AM
#244
Trance- said: phreeak said: funny thing.. germany had was some researches about the viewership of different shows, genres whatever some years ago.. the results were, that people with an academic degree f.e often like trash-shows or series because its something unusual from their daily life and where they can just chill. so, ppl who are watching "bad anime" maybe more educated or intellectual than try-hards with their intellectual-complex-elitist anime. That doesn't factor in the 'stress' factor. Maybe more hardworking people are stressed out? TheBrainintheJar said: Trance- said: FloatingIdiot said: TheBrainintheJar said: People who take IQ seriously are funny and must think the education system actually works. Good post, I approve the spirit of the message People who don't take IQ seriously are salty because they didn't get enough score on a test. How such a wide thing as intelligence be summed up in a number? How can a test that only checks your right answers and not examines your specific thought process gauge intelligence. As if there could be varying thought processes that could lead to one correct conclusion to a certain question. 1 * 2 - 4 = ? No one will begin by thinking, ''if we multiply 3 with 69 and substract it with...''. There's only one thought process in logical thinking which will lead to the correct conclusion. It's called 'Intelligence quotient' for a reason; you're not analyzing the behavior of the other person neither are you trying to get into his mind. You just want to see how quickly, how efficiently, he solves a puzzle. Life doesn't consist of such black-and-white puzzles. Only high school consists of such. So it's bullshit? finestseeker17 said: TheBrainintheJar said: Trance- said: FloatingIdiot said: TheBrainintheJar said: People who take IQ seriously are funny and must think the education system actually works. Good post, I approve the spirit of the message People who don't take IQ seriously are salty because they didn't get enough score on a test. How such a wide thing as intelligence be summed up in a number? How can a test that only checks your right answers and not examines your specific thought process gauge intelligence. We need legit psychologists or at least, 3rd or 4th year psychology students to really answer this question. But, IQ test is a real thing. Whether it is very accurate or not is a different matter. I also don't know how wide the scope of IQ test is. Basically it just shows how fast you learn something, how fast you count, how good your memory, how good your language skills (how easy & fast for you to read something and write your thoughts), how fast you understand & perceive things you see & hear, etc. It is real alright. Those slackers who rarely study but get good grades with lower efforts than other students are real. But that doesn't always mean they're winning at everything. The valedictorians in my middle and high school were not people with 140+ IQ, they were just giving more efforts and they did it. Also, in big enterprises, they also measure the emotional intelligence, spiritual quotient, management skills, etc. It doesn't matter if you have high IQ but you are depressed and not so interested with what you're doing. Well, this went off topic from the anime part, but I think it's also important to discuss the IQ part. The moment you study the speed of thought, you study anxiety personality. Speed of thought is important in combat, not in sciences. I know that because I'm in a swordfighting community. You need to think your next move and that's where speed matters. |
TheBrainintheJarApr 3, 2016 12:15 AM
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Apr 3, 2016 12:24 AM
#245
My IQ is 120 and it said I was something called a "word warrior" meaning I scored unusually high in languages and reading comprehension. As far as IQs it's above average but not genius level. (Though those are old results from years ago when I was in college) Favorite Anime: Monster As far as "taste" goes, I like a little bit of everything, though my biggest preferences have always been Science fiction, mystery, and action. |
KruszerApr 3, 2016 12:32 AM
Apr 3, 2016 12:50 AM
#246
Favorite Anime: Code Geass, Steins Gate, Clannad AS, Gintama,Shigatsu etc I guess that means high intelligent people will like anime in my favorite according to OP's logic. |
ZapredonApr 3, 2016 1:06 AM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Apr 3, 2016 5:56 AM
#247
u dont wanna know my IQ.... ....and one punch man is the best! |
Apr 3, 2016 6:29 AM
#248
I Q: 165 http://www.free-iqtest.net Favorite anime: Code geas, Fate/zero, Death-note, Fulmetal alchemist brotherhood, Monster, Black butler. But I don't necessarily agree with this. I've seen highly intelligent people like the crappiest of animes and enjoying them wholeheartedly. |
Apr 3, 2016 7:22 AM
#249
I hope I'm not repeating anything already said, lol. Anyway, anime is so general that you cannot put a blanket over everyone who likes it. For example, there are fans who might only enjoy ecchi and hentai for sexual reasons. Then there might be people who mainly watch shows like Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece because they are action-based. (On second thought, please don't quote me on that.) Then there could be people who mainly watch anime for the romance aspects, such as the beautiful Light & L couple from Death Note. (Please do quote me on that one.) I do suppose it is possible that the specific types of anime one might enjoy could be a sign of the person's intellect, or, most likely, their personality. However, there are a few flaws. Some people, such as myself, are very open to all different types of anime. I do tend to prefer watching anime with deep plots and angst. However, there are also times where I start to watch a cute and happy show and end up enjoying it immensely. Also, there is the issue that some people might not be able to find the types of anime they would prefer watching, so they settle on something else instead. So, in response to the original post: Trance- said: Complex anime are usually watched by those looking for them. If some casual viewer feels adventurous and plunges into this territory, he will, I'm afraid, only contaminate the statistical ground of the viewership of that certain anime. I disagree. I'm not really sure what makes a "casual" viewer less likely to enjoy the anime, nor why they would be deemed less intelligent than the others, especially if they enjoy it, too. |
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