Lucky Star Episode 4 Discussion

Faust721 said:
Also note that you shouldnt take all this criticism too seroiusly. Its all fun and games. A bunch of us on the channel are ragging on Ranivus for watching LC's version. So its just a few laughs here and there. However, i am happy that you wrote such a thought out post since this forum seems to be lacking of good discussions.

the_pillows said:

this is not true...the notes aren't always there to give long winded explanations or make the jokes funny...sometimes, they merely point out something that is very subtle (for example, i would have completely overlooked the dragon ball z sign on konata's notebook had the note not been there, and i've seen dragon ball z so i would have understood the reference)...not only this, the note explanations are sometimes NECESSARY for the joke to even be understood cause they don't just point out references, they also explain japanese culture (for example, in episode three when they were talking about fraternal vs. identical twins, "manakana" was mentioned, afk's subs don't explain what manakana is but they're a twin idol group in japan who were thought to be fraternal twins but recently were proven to be identical twins and unless you have been living in japan for the past few years, you wouldn't understand this and the context and thus the next 2 minutes of conversation would have made NO sense at all, right after this conversation konata goes on to say something about "sausages" making her hungry, lc's subs point out that "sausages" in japanese sounds a lot like "twins" in japanese so here's another example where a reference note was NECESSARY to understand the joke yet iirc, afk's subs didn't provide any explanation for this part)...as i said in my last post, it's sometimes annoying reading the notes, but i'm glad that they're there...and, if you're a huge anime fan and can get all the references, no one is forcing you to pause everytime a reference note comes up...you can simply ignore them and they only stay on screen for about 3 seconds at most so it's not like they're a huge distraction...

i'm not trying to convince people to watch lc's subs...i've even criticized them on many points but i think i've been more than fair...however, i think it's highly unfair for people to say a few certain things about them or criticize the people who watch their subs...they're a fansub group that is providing everyone with a free service, download their version if you want, or don't, no one is forcing you to and the people watching lc's subs won't affect afk sub watchers either...imo, i don't see that big of a difference between the two and since i like lucky star so much, i'm willing to watch both versions of the same episode so it makes no difference to me...however, i can safely say that i have gained a greater appreciation for afk's subs after watching lc's version and remembering some of their reference notes...when i factor these into consideration and the fact that i think their subs are getting better, it makes no sense for me to wait extra days and watch only afk's subs...

Krelian said:
It'd have to actually be explained well in order to help people understand. Even disregarding the translation (who the hell talks like that?), they were completely off in describing shounen anime/manga (which consists of stuff like Bleach and Dragonball Z) and the rest of it is too cluttered with acronyms and useless extra info to make sense of.

Not to mention that the notes and subs together take up like a third of the screen. Can you really read all that, keep up with the conversation, and actually make sense of the joke you're missing quickly enough? So you either end up skipping the notes, pausing the show over and over to read them, or completely missing the show by focusing too much on the explanations. It'd be a nice reference if the explanation wasn't worthless, I guess, but it's hard to enjoy a show and make anything of the notes at the same time.

BlueYoshi said:
Seriously, who cares whether LC or AFK is better? If your watching Lucky Star, then you don't fail, or lose at life, or whatever.

and yes I realize they're doing this for free but at the same time there still has to be a standard.

wildebeest0001 said:
on the other hand rather than helping you understand the jokes they may actually make you get the completely wrong impression, as shown above.

i just feel that crappy subbing should not be rewarded with a high download rate, especially if they're speed subs cuz then ppl don't care about quality. if ppl download them it's liek a vote of approval and then subbers will continue to sub crappy cuz they know speed is what it's all about and the anime community doesn't care about quality, which is something that may be true but I don't like to believe.

and yes I realize they're doing this for free but at the same time there still has to be a standard.

BlueYoshi said:
The main reason i'm posting is because i don't know how to get a kick ass picture onto my MAL sig.

Cyruz said:
It's sad that Konata is using IE 6 up there. :(

Krelian said:
Is it odd that reading those subtitles reminds me of things like fingernails on chalkboards and the sound of squeaking styrofoam? They may get the general idea across, but they're so far from anything even resembling conversational English... it really bothers me.

cyruz said:
It's sad that Konata is using IE 6 up there. :(