Shingeki no Kyojin Chapter 139 / Ending Discussion

qguffey said:
They probably did lose their powers. Ackermans were a biproduct of titan science. That whole "awakening" thing shouldn't exist anymore. They're just normal humans now.
I get the sense that that's why Levi is in a wheelchair now and hasn't healed up like he would have.

UkRs said:
The worst ending a zombie apocalypse can have is reverting all the zombies back to humans.. which results in unfairness and just BS, because what about all the zombies that got murdered? did they not deserved to be reverted back?
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Just like here.. where the titans reverted back to humans.. what about the titans that were killed? what about the titans that ate other humans?
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Is Levi the mass murderer who had to murder his own people? knowing that they were humans but did not knew that they will revert back to humans if left alone..
this is lazy writing.. atleast to this part.

Aleph199X said:
Worst manga ending in recent history. The way they ruined Eren's character this arc but especially in this chapter is pathetic. So many unanswered questions and so many good character moments up to now completely wasted. Floch really died for this? Sad.

fredjenkinsaot said:
My ending


Eren had to wipe out everyone outside of paradis because him and Ymir have tried an infinite of times for an infinite amount of years to free eldia, end the cycle of hate and get rid of the power of the Titans. Every time so far it has not worked one time no matter what they have tried, and every time they failed. Everytime Eren’s 13 years are up the cycle resets to try again. The reason there is a time loop is because of Eren’s time manipulation powers, him using the attack Titan and founder to influence Grisha’s path for him to make sure he is born in the first place and for him to have his mom eaten by a Titan to set himself on his mission.(I made the connection that he is actually the one who killed his mom when I read ch 120-122 so that wasn’t a shock and it is actually an amazing plot point). He needs all of that to happen the same so he can acquire his Titan powers and gain the ability of the founder to attempt these world bending feats. He won’t make have Ymir destroy the power of the Titans until the cycle is ended because he believes he needs the Titan powers to carry out his mission.

Before the infinite amount of times this has happened due to the loop, it all happened naturally once the very first time, and the first time Eren got to the paths with Zeke and met Ymir and realized she’s been basically trapped there all these years waiting to be saved. She’s been doing all this work because she still has that slave mindset due to the way her mind was developed, and believe she was fulfilling her duties and helping her people. Eren finally liberates her and makes her finally realize actually how detrimental the things she’s doing is and that she can be free. They then start trying to come up with their plan, and an infinite amount of times later it still hasn’t worked. One of these realities is what Mikasa saw in 138 before she kills Eren.

Destroying all of humanity was their last option after who knows how many attempts. And this is the final attempt because it’s the attempt that finally works. All of humanity outside the walls gets wiped out and humanity is rebuilt completely from the eldians/subjects of Ymir because it’s the only way the cycle of hate due to the Titans will be gone forever. No other races means no one else to hate the eldians for their past sins. It’s a bleak but necessary ending.

Also the intergalactic squid monster which is the source of the Titan power..... the way it gets destroyed I thought of an epic way. Onyakopon sacrifices himself to fly Armin and Reiner(in Titan form wrangling the creature) up as high as possible on the airship so that at the peak Armin can transform into the colossal Titan and use the explosion and momentum and size change to basically launch/throw the creature into outerspace to basically float off out in the galaxy, and this is what allows Ymir to finally end the power of the Titans because all the conflicts have been taken care of and now the source of the Titans is gone. Ymir is finally able to RIP. All the Titans DIE(not nonsensically come back to life and undermine all the emotional deaths).

Armin knew what to do because of a time when Eren visited him in the paths to explain everything, and he also did the same with Mikasa. And this time we would ACTUALLY FUCKING SEE THEIR CONVERSATION. He also basically let of a PA announcement to all subjects of Ymir giving them the cliff notes version of what he told them without all the personalized goodbyes so that way all eldians/sieving humans are on the same page and know what happens.

And then to explain any final plot holes of like “okay why do all this if you care about your friends and wanna save them? Some of us could’ve died fighting you and some of us have” and Eren reveals to Armin and Mikasa that due to all these infinite times trying to save humanity without going the genocidal route, Eren actually lost faith in humanity due to everything he tried never being able to stop the racism and the natural negative energy from the humans. So due to this, he actually completely agreed with and stood by his decision to wipe out humanity not only to free the eldians and stop the cycle, but because he also thought they deserved it and he wanted to(Kind of a Walt White moment). It would be a cold as fuck moment preserving his character but also letting us know all he’s been through and all he’s tried, and also how tragic his life is because of this burden and responsibility he has always carried. If he didn’t do something, who would?

He was able to stop the cycle and get rid of the Titans, but at what cost? And that’s one of the final questions we are left with from the series. It’s a bittersweet ending which would be perfect for the show. He would get closure with his friends, and him and Mikasa share a kiss in the paths without him having to be an incel

So yeah that’s basically how I think the plot should’ve ended. There’s still some little stuff in there that would need conclusions I didn’t mention like certain characters especially Zeke and Levi. But yeah I think that ending would’ve been fire. I think the final panel could’ve been the squid monster just floating in space, signifying that it’s defeated but it is still out there. It’s still out there just like hate and negativity will always be out there.

Pernodi said:

Nobody likes this ending. Even the reddit fanboys who kept defending it all throughout the mediocre rumbling arc are dunking on it right now.

Xilver said:

The ending is terrible and that guy is an idiot.

The problem isn't that Eren turned into a bird(not exactly a correct way to formulate what happened btw). The problem is that he turned into a pathetic Cuckoo. And his character prior does not fit at all with this presentation of him. Isayama himself said in interviews that Eren is the manifestation of "never-changing fighting spirit". And now you suddenly tell me he would abandon everyone and everything if his step sister confessed to him? Whom he fucking ignored for the entirety of the story? What a joke. And run away from his own fight. Say this kind of shit


No one has any fucking problem that Eren died. The problem that he was turned into a complete pathetic loser before he died

And it turned out he didn't have any real determination to begin with, but was controlled by paths.

His spirit is completely lost. Humiliated, laughed at. Turned into a fucking joke.

You like this garbage?
Fine, you can like any garbage you want. But others don't have to eat shit up as well.

yaegerist-15 said:
trusting isayama in the last 3-4 chapters was a big mistake. I tried so hard to like the ending but it’s getting worse and worse by day. All the contradictions and ruined character arcs are making me crazy I’m trying to make my own headcanon with 123 as end and 131 as epilogue but it doesn’t work. Yams created so many good and complex themes and he ends the show with that forced ymir/mikasa parallel and eren character shifting in literally 20 pages? In no way this is the same eren from chapter 131

UkRs said:
The worst ending a zombie apocalypse can have is reverting all the zombies back to humans.. which results in unfairness and just BS, because what about all the zombies that got murdered? did they not deserved to be reverted back?
.
Just like here.. where the titans reverted back to humans.. what about the titans that were killed? what about the titans that ate other humans?
.
Is Levi the mass murderer who had to murder his own people? knowing that they were humans but did not knew that they will revert back to humans if left alone..
this is lazy writing.. atleast to this part.

Winebottle said:

ending was wack, keep moving backwards

Winebottle said:

ending was wack, keep moving backwards

Bayek said:
This is fundamentally what doesn't sit right with me. Eren & Historia never had a romantic relationship - that much is clear. But Eren was willing to go through hell to protect her and stop her from becoming a sacrifice. It would have made more sense for him to impregnate her solely for the reason of protecting her. Instead, he kinda just leaves it up to her to find the nearest farm and fetch herself a well groomed cock.

EmilioRodriguez said:
explain how did they ruin eren’s character?

Aleph199X said:

Let's see, his entire Tatakae, Tatakae persona was completely reversed this chapter (the whole arc even considering he did nothing but sleep the entire fight) with no real sign prior to this chapter of the edgeren persona being an act.
He made a point to put Historia's or her kid's life at risk even though it seems that he had no real attachment to her. Meanwhile that's the same person who literally killed his own mother.
If he wanted to die, why didn't he just do a partial rumbling where he would just destroy the world's armies off the bat? What we're left with is a worst of both worlds. People still hate Paradis since Eren killed 80% of the world's population and there is no sign of lasting peace, except this time Paradis is in a worse situation than before since they don't have the titan powers.

reallythatbad said:
the fact that 90% of people who disliked the ending just wanted eren to be with historia is so funny to me.


historia's character died when she became queen. the whole purpose of her character was so that eren would kiss her hands at the ceremony and get the future memories. thats it

if historia's character literally was killed off after chapter 90 the story would not change one bit.


there are actual valid criticisms you can put out for the series for how it ended and wrapped things up with ymir or mikasa. but all you come up with are lame EH complaints or things like "why the heck does eren care about his friends again I thought he was a chad that would choose his own freedom over the freedom of his friends despite the first 90 chapters of the story showing otherwise."

TurtleKing3 said:
The ENTIRE time traveling part of the story makes absolutely zero sense.

Of course it is fiction, but in no explainable way possible, could have Eren achieved any of this within his original future. Since his father originally wouldn't have kill the Fritz family, and thus got killed by them (They were about to kill him when he cried on his knees, obviously they wouldn't have let him run). Thus the Attack Titan would have never been able to get into Eren's hands in first place. So there would be no woke Eren that could have send memories back to the past.

This whole thing is called casual loop and to me this is cheap writing. But all the bandwagoners ofc telling me "Well there is no past and future, no beginning and end" What are you talking about?...

Then the decision making of literally everyone was absolutely borderline stupid.
Paradis was in the process of being GENOCIDED for like 100 years. Fellow innocent people (including CHILDREN as Krüger said) were executed and turned into monsters in order to attack paradis and eat the people there alive. Not to mention how they put Eldians WORLDWIDE into zones. I mean the guy who let Grishas sister be eaten by dogs was even promoted later in his career.

But what does Hanji and the gang decided to do? They go against Eren...

(Keep in mind, they had no PLAN B! The entire world was about to unleash their fury on Paradis, no diplomacy was working) Yes Eren's plan was equally cruel, but you had logically no alternative plan. Imagine in WW2. A jew rises up (Eren) and has the ability to KILL all Germans with 1 fingersnap.
... But then fellow jews (who lost family members and friends in the most brutal ways) decide to stop him, without having an alternate plan.

This is terrible writing. Out of nowhere everyone can teleport. Hanji and Levi find Pieck and Magath somewhere randomely in the wilderness to propose a plan.
Everyone (Jean, Armin, Connie, etc.) gets on board with this dumbass suicidal plan, because Hanji is angrily hitting the table while shouting "NO TO GENOCIDE!"

No rules of the show were followed anymore. Throughout S1-S3 even a handful of mindless Titans gave them all trouble.

Here they are, facing a DEMI GOD in Eren with like a million Colossal titans INCLUDING ALL SHIFTER TITANS THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY of their dumbass world.
But yeah hey, they won, GG EZ.

Well. And all in all it turns out to be a corny, cringeworthy love story.

Ymir, who got rap*d, her family killed, her tongue cut out, hunted down with arrows, abused as a warmachine...
.. fell in love. With who? The person who did all of this to her. "But it's Stockholm Syndrome" Dude. That's not how this syndrome works. This is just way to brutal, it's not 'just' being held hostage or anything similiar. This here is called terrible writing.

I could go on for ages..
- Ymir randomely saving Zeke. Never explained.
- Historia. 3 1/2 Seasons they were fighting to install her as a queen, then she disappears for the rest of the story. Wtf.
- Eren killing his mother, for what? To ensure he is motivated to do what? Right: He doesn't know himself as he revealed to Armin.
--- But furthermore, this dumbass scene revealed, that Eren had the ability to control Titans/ Eldians from the past. What the hell. With all this godlike power that he possessed, this is the ending that he achieved. Out of all the possiblites you could do with this ridiculous omnipotent power. He achieves nothing.

I wanted this show to succeed, I rooted for Isayama. Been on board since the early manga chapters, before the fking anime was even out.
Sad.

Zibsidian said:
Holy fuck this backlash is insane. Now we wait a month for everyone to actually use their brains and think about what they just read and realize that they're overreacting lol.

This ending was fine, chill tf out.

objkenkage said:

Eren could have easily saved everyone by having Dina eat Bertolt, yet he chose not to..why! This was a major plot hole.

Mikasa said:



Because the alternative would have been worse.

Eren saw this as the best-case scenario. Berthold's death would have meant no attack on Eldia, for now, but also that they remain in oblivion, and eventually Tybur and the alliance would have wiped them out with their militaries which would have supplanted the power of the titans. Berthold's arrival was a blessing in disguise, it lead to them having the Attack Titan, learning about the Founder, reaching the ocean and even launching their own attack.


Y'all even paying attention?

Mikasa said:



Because the alternative would have been worse.

Eren saw this as the best-case scenario. Berthold's death would have meant no attack on Eldia, for now, but also that they remain in oblivion, and eventually Tybur and the alliance would have wiped them out with their militaries which would have supplanted the power of the titans. Berthold's arrival was a blessing in disguise, it lead to them having the Attack Titan, learning about the Founder, reaching the ocean and even launching their own attack.


Y'all even paying attention?

KanYeeT said:

If Dina eat bert then she would go back normal and have the colossal titan. All she needs to do is find Grisha who's already getting the founding titan and boom eldia is saved.
You have no idea how many plot holes the last chapter created.
I'm the end Ymir Was just doing her own human puppet show so it can all lead to Mikasa killing Eren and ymir moving on from her love to Fritz.

Satoya said:


Hes paying more attention than you. "She needed to die for the best case scenario" is pretty lazy imo, the autor has to show us pretty good reasons why Eren chose to kill his own mother even though hes supposed to care for his family the most. Just admit that the story got absolutely destroyed in ch 139. It was never perfect but never had that much plot holes until the final chapter got released.

Mikasa said:


Oh my god you're one of those who think he consciously chose to kill his mother...

Okay buddy, you understood the story better than anyone in here. I bow in deference.

Mikasa said:



1. Except Eren doesn't believe in Grisha's plan, there's kind of a whole arc about that.
2. Also Dina would have no way of finding Grisha before Eren who would have already inherited the Founder.

3. But MORE IMPORTANTLY, The War for Paradis was a success for the eldians as they had activated the rumbling, so why risk ANY other alternative? Dead is dead. All he was trying to do was make sure history re-enacted itself. "Berthold was not supposed to die"

KanYeeT said:



Eren believing in Grisha's plan is irrelevant. Wasn't about the best outcome? How is killing 80% of humanity and Mind you not actually achieving peace for Paradis too and leaving it in the mercy of Atleast 200 million people left who hates eldians even more now because of the rumbling is a better outcome?
Also not necessarily,she could him easily asking about him before Eren gets the FT since he's the most famous doctor inside the walls you know. Even if she didn't find him and it was too late. All she had to do is touch Eren and then be his mentor to save eldia.
There are countless possibilities for what could and could have not happened and most of it is way better than what we got now. The Eren being able to control titans regardless of times ruined alot of moments in the series.

metalikkalp said:
Am I the only one who was satisfied with the ending?

I mean I really liked to see something as massive as world destruction in a manga and the author pulled it off. Eren starting as a curious impulsive brat to being a character who killed billions of people just for his dear friends.. That is something only a character like Eren would do. No protagonist, no antagonist, no hero, no evil genius just foolhardy guy in the worst possible circumstances. Also, him selfishly wishing Mikasa to hold onto him was again, so humane and the thing I've been wanting to see since the beginning.

Ymir being in love with the fritz trash was the only sensible explanation why she obeyed him and simply didn't kill him off since love does not suppose to make sense.

Seeing the dead Eldian characters through the path when the titan power was vanishing made my heart ache, it was sad to see my favorite character, Erwin, for the last time.

Most importantly, I respect Iseyama sensei for making a consistent timeline. Everything Eren saw when kissing Historia's hand was the memories of his from the future. Seeing those memories meant those things happened. You cannot change what already happened thus also what will happen and Eren didn't even try to stop the future he saw because of that. He was in fact determined to make it happen. This type of time travel or flashforward concept really fits in my logic and again, I appreciated it deeply.

Since it was the last chapter, it made me tear up. I'll be waiting for Iseyama Sensei's new works!