thisiszihanbd said: what are you talking about? You do know that there are quite a lot of animes that are adapted from games who actually works well right? Cyberpunk for example.I think there is nothing to complain about this series because it is not adopted from some Manga or light now will because it was adopted from a game so if it is adopted with complete CGI then also people should not be complaining about the series actually I have watched my sensei to playing this game on his PC during online class with him and I was surprised by the first episode that I actually watch the fight with the monstrous machine on that day. |
Yuu_Kanzaki said: Piromysl said: That's just one example. Look at the mecha model it looks bad. I'm not nitpicking, you can see all the scenes with cgi models in them, look bad. Another example would be the water when the mecha is flying right above it. Look at the splash and tell me it looks good. At least I provide details where the cgi looks bad. How about you provide me an example when the cgi looks good huh? No need for screenshots, just tell me which scene and I'll check it for you and post it here. If you really had zoom in and nitpick 1,5 second clip in which there are no barely visible shadows and base your entire point on it, then it's pretty clear that you literally have no argument and are just trying to nitpick in order to desperately validate your shit take. And yes, 2B does look "soulless" while piloting a mecha even in game. She is quite literally known for being an emotionless android FFS. Maybe it's just me and I wasn't raised to be a spoiled little b*tch, who can absolutely never be satisfied no matter what level of quality is being thrown at me and just complain for the sake of complaining. You claiming to not be a spoiled little bitch is the most outrageous thing that came out of this discussion. If anything, you look like a bitch who can't handle people's opinion that differs from your own. If you're satisfied with that bad cgi models then I don't know what to tell you other than I'm jealous of how simple you are. I guess I need to appreciate all the hard work all these animators are putting out for us and not complain about a single thing nowadays, is that what is expected of me? No, mecha model looks good and it is just your wrong opinion. CG in general looked every good, especially Goliath. And you have to forgive me for an ad hominem, because the non arguments you are trying to present are so outlandishly stupid, it is literally impossible to take seriously and it borders on trolling, so it tells more about you than about quality of that CGI. It requires serious lack of self awareness, entitlement and unrealistic standards to compare this objectively decent looking CG to some shitty Transformers show from the 90s and then in seemingly pure desperation look far and wide for a shot that you consider poor looking as an example. But the good thing from all this, is that fans who can appreciate good quality are satisfied, while entitled fans are malding, because, they do not deserve nice things. Good end. |
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| Its not the fans complaining, its just random weebs. If you check the comment section on youtube, everyone loves the CGI and animations but if u check on MAL so many kids complain about it. Its not just this time, literally everytime a new anime gets released someone is complaining about something. Welcome to 2023 where people have to shit on everything they see. |
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| I consider myself a fan I have a wall scroll beiitch and I think this anime is robbing people of what they could experience playing the game. Don't watch this anime until you have played the game. It's not worth it mate, it's not worth it |
| There are not 20+ endings, there are only 5, all of which are continued after the ending before it (C and D have very minimal change), and E is very short and mainly just the credits. |
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lordgaara said: exactly, what i’m thinking about!I consider myself a fan I have a wall scroll beiitch and I think this anime is robbing people of what they could experience playing the game. Don't watch this anime until you have played the game. It's not worth it mate, it's not worth it |
| "Fans" What a sly dig xD |
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| the mainstream media is in massive denial right now. If we saw this cgi in some random new show from a smaller studio, it will be the laughing stock of the community. Just look at it. It looks terribly out of place and the level of detail and precision is a joke relative to the 2d enivironment. If the cgi was shown to a person who had no idea what nier is, they will say it looks like shit. It just goes how biased anime opinions have become to favour hype new shows or big name studios. So lol at people giving Kaguya and Lycoris Recoil anime and animation of the year. Must be a massive punch to the gut to be sitting through A1's animation of the year. |
icefirestone23Jan 9, 2023 6:44 PM
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Piromysl said: Yuu_Kanzaki said: the things the models are lacking are what make the models look good. Not only that, but 2B here looks very stiff; lifeless. Yeah the comparison is not as funny as it was in my head. Dude literally said that a literal android (even known for her stoicism), who temporarily merged with a mecha looks "lifeless" and that apparently justifies their take. Fuck this shit, I've seen enough... They are using the 3D models from game so if she looks lifeless in the mecha then she should look lifeless in the games that isn’t a cut scene, |
Woodmann said: As I already said. You are comparing bananas to horses. But oh well. You do you man.This trailer of the game that was posted in 2015 is so much better than the anime. Unfortunately, rather than funding Platinumgames to make a sequel, Square had them make an awful live-service game, Babylon’s Fall, instead. Square Enix's decisions have been ridiculous lately, just look at their recent games that have been massive flops like: the Quiet Man, Banal Wonderworld, Left Alive, and the upcoming one later this month, Forspoken. They even sold their western studios for peanuts. Ah yes the ridiculous decisions of a multi billion dollar company. Recent games like FF7 Remake, Crisis Core Remaster, or Dragon Quest. Shockingly bad. Hahahahahaha. Calling Forspoken a flop prior to release... :'D Nier Automata looked like a PS3 game while Replicant looked like FF12. That is just a fact. |
Skyguardian said: Woodmann said: As I already said. You are comparing bananas to horses. But oh well. You do you man.This trailer of the game that was posted in 2015 is so much better than the anime. Unfortunately, rather than funding Platinumgames to make a sequel, Square had them make an awful live-service game, Babylon’s Fall, instead. Square Enix's decisions have been ridiculous lately, just look at their recent games that have been massive flops like: the Quiet Man, Banal Wonderworld, Left Alive, and the upcoming one later this month, Forspoken. They even sold their western studios for peanuts. Ah yes the ridiculous decisions of a multi billion dollar company. Recent games like FF7 Remake, Crisis Core Remaster, or Dragon Quest. Shockingly bad. Hahahahahaha. Calling Forspoken a flop prior to release... :'D Nier Automata looked like a PS3 game while Replicant looked like FF12. That is just a fact. yeah, yeah, couldn’t care less, it’s just your loss, so sad to not be able to play such a great great game, and instead consoling your ownself by saying the game looks worse than the anime, like a ps3 game, blah.. blah.. blah.. and propagandizing it, lol. No one who have played the game would ever say that, Roflmao. |
WoodmannJan 15, 2023 8:11 PM
| I think the issue with Nier Automata graphically is that it looks kinda mid compared to other games released for the PS4 around the same time, or even before it. And it's even more limited by the fact that it was made for the PS4 first, everything else second so the PC port didn't look that much better. And being built on a low budget on a proprietary engine. Games like FFXV, Ratchet & Clank, and Star Wars Battlefront released on the same console at around the same time and looked way better. Which is why it's weird that they didn't choose to improve the textures of the models they were given for the anime, because you can do way better with pre-rendered models than you can with models that were meant to be rendered in real time on a fairly weak GPU. |
Noko-Jan 15, 2023 9:00 PM
| You always will have fans of the source material that nitpick about any adaption. Personally as a big fan of the game, i cant wait to see more of this anime. I see it as a nice extra addition to the franchise. If you disregard the anime because there is 0,5 seconds of jarring usage of the game 3d model of the flight unit+pilot, you are wrong in the head and a fake fan. |
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DixyNL said: Yeah, I figured it was more of a money issue. Anime's like Demon Slayer are guaranteed to make back the money spent to make them, but turning games into anime likely doesn't have the same money back guarantee. Yuu_Kanzaki said: like i said before, mostly cell shading and layering issues.. those take a f ton of time, and since the story is pretty rich in content i think they decided to focus thier resources on that aspect.that’s actually surprising. I guess A1 just did a bad job importing the model? Or adding shading and applying some physics to it. |
| Well this kind of anime/game is supposed to be a slow burner... We will have to wait and see. If they don't change the main story and make bullshit up I guess it's alright. |
Woodmann said: yeah, yeah, couldn’t care less, it’s just your loss, so sad to not be able to play such a great great game, and instead consoling your ownself by saying the game looks worse than the anime, like a ps3 game, blah.. blah.. blah.. and propagandizing it, lol. No one who have played the game would ever say that, Roflmao. I did not say the game looks worse than the Anime because I am NOT comparing 2D animation to a 3D video game. No sane person does that. Reading comprehension. Hard, huh? Oh I did the play the games, which is pretty obvious to most people here. (There is more than one. Crazy, isn't it?) Scoring such an Anime with a 1... You don't want to be taken seriously. |
SkyguardianJan 16, 2023 1:49 PM
DixyNL said: People who played the game were complaining because episode 1 really was pretty much a frame by frame copy of the game, only worseReally on what kind of nostalgia driven elitist pompous horse you guys on ? I read complains about it being mid animation, while the first 2d fighting sequence is already better than 70% of the currently released shows to pamper isekai watchers, yet half of the people complaining watch seven deadly sins and gave it a positive rating.. The 3d is bad? Boy have you even seen bad cg? Berserk had bad CGI. Ex arm is bad cgi. This is not bad cgi, sure it may not be the best you ever seen, but it's nowhere near bad. Then onto the story complains, it's already not just like the game was. For real ? It's a different medium, so no it's not going to be the same. It is in fact not the game your playing, it is now a show that you are watching, one in wich i may add the story writer of the games is also involved with and proclaimed to be a story that is better suited for anime. Because we all know the 25 or so endings can't possibly be portrait in the anime. Get off your nostalgia driver high horse and give it an actual objective chance, there is no way that in one episode that you are able to deduce it is going to be shit, since objectively it has not been shit for one minute in the show thus far. Should it crumble and crash later on, well to bad it happens. Then consider it a failed project. But stop calling dumb stuff out just because you cannot deal with the fact that its not a frame by frame copy of the game. Episode 2 solved all those problems but don't pin this on fans of the game, that first episode was kinda crap whichever direction yr starting from |
Skyguardian said: Oh boy he is back again. =) I did not say the game looks worse than the Anime because I am NOT comparing 2D animation to a 3D video game. No sane person does that. Reading comprehension. Hard, huh? Oh I did the play the games, which is pretty obvious to most people here. (There is more than one. Crazy, isn't it?) Scoring such an Anime with a 1... You don't want to be taken seriously. Pretty obvious? yeah, pretty obvious that you haven’t played it, and just consoling yourself by disparaging the game, lol. Saying the game looked like a PS3 game at best? lol surely you don’t even own a PS3 or a PS4. Go back to watching people play games on youtube. LMAO. |
MAwatcher said: right.. And the recent and old Trails shows... compared to those this is golden for sure.(Persona i'm looking at you) |
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| The CGI isn't even bad lmao. People just so caught up on that merit, that it legit becomes a problem for them. I'm not even kidding. No matter the show, I'm always seeing one person being a neat freak when it comes to this, it's so lame lma. Especially, when it's not bad at all. People be acting like you said, as if it has Ex-arm levels, when it doesn't. |
Euthymia_Gerv said: There's actually quite a lot that sucks with the animation itself, not just with individual frames.It's especially the case when they can't even manage to say what's bad about it or have a clue about how animation works. It's animation it's not supposed to be paused and looked over frame by frame, which is what people do. Then they go "look look! This one frame. The CGI is terrible!" completely oblivious to the fact that it's supposed to look like that. When the animation is played normally, that frame helps trick the eye into seeing smooth fluid motion and/or create some other effect. It's no secret at this point that this anime was rushed, and you can clearly tell. There's almost a total lack of perspective shifts during talk scenes, which coupled with very few frames of animation makes the presentation boring and static. The perspective can sometimes stay in place for basically a whole discussion, with none of the characters moving except for their mouths. With "regular" anime, it's usual to do perspective shifts, panning shots, and cuts during a conversation. In this, you sometimes get none of that. It's not ideal from a cinematographic standpoint. And the reason behind it is probably not artistic in nature. Most likely they just didn't have enough money or time to draw the additional backgrounds needed for a different perspective, or even additional frames for close-ups of the characters faces. It's especially obvious during the talk with Lily in episode 3, and the Black Box scene in episode 1. Then there's the choice to make the CGI pods idly move up and down in every scene they're in at the full frame rate of the show when they absolutely did not need to. Since there's often no other movement in some of those scenes, they just end up being distracting. They do try to hide some of the flaws by for example resizing or moving the drawings to reduce the amount of frames needed for motion. Like when 2B crashes through the wall. That's the same drawing of 2B being spun around without any care for lighting, etc. Or when she walks up the hill at the very start of the first episode. It works, but it's hard to unsee when you notice. None of this is A-1's fault. They clearly had to rush out something while the studios in China they hired to do half the art closed down (Even if that's not an excuse and actually happened, it was a shitty decision by Aniplex to keep to the schedule anyways.) The art and animation that exists clearly hints that this was definitely planned to be better than your average low budget shounen/isekai, and instead a show that's at 86's level or greater, but the actual execution fell flat because they didn't have the time. |
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