linda-banri | koko-banri ?????

bunny_lover said:
I think Banri is the type of man who like possessive girls.

bunny_lover said:
I think Banri is the type of man who like possessive girls.

Cirris said:
At this point I equate the Linda shippers to be that mother that wants you to date someone even though it's painfully obvious it wouldn't work out.

For whatever reason Linda doesn't think enough of Banri to treat him like someone she really loves. She always keeps him at a safe distance. She acts like she doesn't deserve him but won't let him go.

Koko maybe a bit nuts but she seems more genuine about her feelings at this point. She's the only one that tells banri she loves him.

I can hear the Linda shippers now "But Linda is so much better for you"... yeah OK Mom. I'll dump Koko, the girl who tries hard and says she loves me, and chase after the girl who keeps friend-zoning me and tears up our childhood photo.

Byakuran-j said:
but he is linda´s osananajimi

Cirris said:
At this point I equate the Linda shippers to be that mother that wants you to date someone even though it's painfully obvious it wouldn't work out.

For whatever reason Linda doesn't think enough of Banri to treat him like someone she really loves. She always keeps him at a safe distance. She acts like she doesn't deserve him but won't let him go.

Koko maybe a bit nuts but she seems more genuine about her feelings at this point. She's the only one that tells banri she loves him.

I can hear the Linda shippers now "But Linda is so much better for you"... yeah OK Mom. I'll dump Koko, the girl who tries hard and says she loves me, and chase after the girl who keeps friend-zoning me and tears up our childhood photo.

Cirris said:
At this point I equate the Linda shippers to be that mother that wants you to date someone even though it's painfully obvious it wouldn't work out.

For whatever reason Linda doesn't think enough of Banri to treat him like someone she really loves. She always keeps him at a safe distance. She acts like she doesn't deserve him but won't let him go.

Koko maybe a bit nuts but she seems more genuine about her feelings at this point. She's the only one that tells banri she loves him.

I can hear the Linda shippers now "But Linda is so much better for you"... yeah OK Mom. I'll dump Koko, the girl who tries hard and says she loves me, and chase after the girl who keeps friend-zoning me and tears up our childhood photo.

Shiri_Fakku said:
This whole situation with his past self as a ghost is so stupid, it ruins the romance. btw Banri-Koko

Madara31 said:
Banri has told Linda how he felt multiple times already, and Linda said no every time. Even if she was just lying to herself, she's had her chances to be with Banri. At least Koko is open with her feelings and actually lets Banri know she loves him.

To be honest I'd much rather Linda end up alone at the end because I really don't like her, but I'm pretty sure thats not gonna happen.

Jal51 said:

Did he now ? In which ep ? He said he USED TO love her, not that he loves her now. Well, apart from before he lost his memories, but shit happened and she couldn't give him an answer.
And because she postponed her answer she doesn't deserve to be with him ? Koko actually flat out rejected him once before they started going out...

I'm afraid she'll actually end up alone, because I can hardly see her getting over Banri before the end of the series.

Madara31 said:

He has never told Linda that he "used" to love her. In their past, Linda told her friends that she didn't like Banri, and regretted it afterwards when she learned that Banri had overheard. Later on, Banri confessed, and for whatever reason she didn't make it in time, and effectively left him hanging. Then in episode 8 Banri asks what her answer would have been, and she she says no. Then in episode 12 Banri asks whether she used to love him, and she again says no. Each time Banri was laying his feelings out there and subtly asking whether there was still even the slightest chance, and Linda repeatedly said no.

Koko lets her feelings be known, unlike Linda, which is enough for me to prefer her. Yes Linda may be doing it at the moment for Banri's sake but telling him that she would have said yes in the past, but things are different now, wouldn't ruin his relationship with Koko, yet she doesn't even do that. I'm quite tired of her dishonesty.

7thVoid said:

I can't even lie. I have no evidence to disprove this. Had Linda said yes to liking him in the past though it could've made a difference. Sadly a difference we'll never know... Oh wait. Linda did say albeit indirectly that she liked him when she said that it was all opposite Banri. Yes I did just remember. It actually was when Banri overheard Linda's conversation with her friends. He decided to avoid her then finally she caught up with him and told him how she felt.

Madara31 said:

Yeah she did say that, but as you said it was indirect. And I think it's safe to assume that Banri took it as the "friendship" sort of like because he wouldn't have had to keep on trying to confirm her feelings in the future if he thought otherwise.

wanderingplayboy said:
Let Banri stay with Koko. Linda's better with Mitsuo, I think.

Madara31 said:

He has never told Linda that he "used" to love her. In their past, Linda told her friends that she didn't like Banri, and regretted it afterwards when she learned that Banri had overheard. Later on, Banri confessed, and for whatever reason she didn't make it in time, and effectively left him hanging. Then in episode 8 Banri asks what her answer would have been, and she she says no. Then in episode 12 Banri asks whether she used to love him, and she again says no. Each time Banri was laying his feelings out there and subtly asking whether there was still even the slightest chance, and Linda repeatedly said no.

Koko lets her feelings be known, unlike Linda, which is enough for me to prefer her. Yes Linda may be doing it at the moment for Banri's sake but telling him that she would have said yes in the past, but things are different now, wouldn't ruin his relationship with Koko, yet she doesn't even do that. I'm quite tired of her dishonesty.

conwep said:


Yes Mom, thats your thought..You are so awesome mom, can reading Linda's Mind.
get jeoules over everthing? when you see it?
she is still normal as girlfriend. she is just jealous sometimes and not extreme. her jealousness still normal (not kick banri every time, still have respect to Linda). she just slapped banri once time (because banri deverse it) .Try rewatch Zero no Tsukaima , If you can say koko over jeoulous then what about Louis?

bastek66 said:
Christ, look:
Ghost Banri is villain of the story.
He wants to get Linda - her end = villain's victory.
You get it not, right?

Jal51 said:

Ok he did say it once (not multiple times) before his amnesia. When I say he said he used to love her, I mean after his amnesia.
Do you really think he was laying his feelings in ep 8 & 12 ? He was talking about feelings he had in the past, and forgot. He said he used to love her before loosing his memories, but never said that he still loves her. Seeing his relieved face in ep 8 we can guess "no" is the answer he wanted. And hearing his thoughts in ep 12 confirms it.

You can't compare that simply Koko and Linda, Koko can openly say she loves Banri because they are dating. Whereas with Linda, it's way more complicated, saying to a guy who's going out with someone else that she loves him. You say things are different now ? But they are not, she still loves him, and that's why it's hard for her to say she would have answered yes. Because she still wants to answer yes. Now if she said she used to love him but doesn't any more, it would still count as a lie, and even if not ruining the Koko-Banri relationship, that would definitely make things complicated.

I can already see the answer coming "in ep 6 she ends up saying she loves him, and that's before they start dating". Well that's true, but the only difference with Linda is a bike. Let me explain :
- Banri confesses to Linda. Linda says she needs time to answer Banri, and when she's about to tell him yes she finds him crashed at the bottom of a bridge.
- Banri confesses to Koko. Koko flat out rejects Banri, then changes her mind, and meets him on a bridge and tells him she loves him.
Had she not stolen that bike, she wouldn't have caught up to him in time, and seeing how he was seriously considering jumping from that bridge, she would have been in the same situation as Linda. Or even worse, because with Linda it stopped before an answer, and with Koko it would have ended with a rejection.

ice_okami said:

I agree with this. I think Mitsuo and Linda will look good together. I actually ship them. Chances are quite slim though since Mitsuo has feelings for Chinami. Anyway, I don't care if Banri and Koko will end up together (which will happen for sure) because I don't like them both.

Madara31 said:
I'm not saying things are different now, I'm saying that's what she could gave said, and they are different, because of his relationship. She still loves him, but I don't see how that makes answering "no" any easier than answering "yes" to his Q in episode 8. And I don't see why it would necessarily make things complicated either, Banri would think that Linda doesn't feel that way anymore and would be able to move on with Koko. It'd still be a lie, Yes, but it'd be a smaller one than her lies on both fronts.

Madara31 said:
Once again, Banri has never told Linda he used to like her, whether it was before or after his amnesia. I'm not too sure whether he says that to Koko or not, but I do know that he also told her that his feelings often resurface. He hasn't said to Linda that he still likes her, but he hasn't said he doesn't like her anymore either. And I wouldn't call that a relieved face, that was more of a sad and knowing smile, much like the one Linda had in episode 12 after she ripped the photo.

Madara31 said:
To be honest, your points about the bike, whilst definitely insightful, I struggle to see why it's highly relevant to the point I'm trying to make. All I'm saying is that Linda's dishonesty is annoying. She had a very easy opportunity to say she likes Banri in front of her friends because at that moment she didn't know he was there, but she lied anyway. Her saying that what she feels and what she says are "all opposite" just tells me she has issues with expressing her feelings, and I don't like those types of characters.

Jal51 said:
Good and bad are just points of view. Make a 180° turn and they shift position.

Jal51 said:

So the point I was trying to make is that I don't see where you think Koko is more open with her feelings than Linda.

Madara31 said:

Here's the thing. I've read what's been translated of the light novels, I'm not sure if you have or not, but in the anime, not everything was explained about Koko's confession. In the light novel and manga (and maybe in the anime too but it gets more thoroughly explained in the former), Koko explains that she had always wanted to answer yes to Banri's confession, but didn't because firstly, she had only just been rejected by Mitsuo and didn't want Banri to be seen as a replacement because her feelings for Mitsuo were real, thus she wanted Banri to wait until she was ready to fully let go of Mitsuo and confess to him herself, but because Banri said he wouldn't wait anymore, she was forced to push the issue and confess sooner.

Koko was already aware of her feelings for Banri since before his confession, but him telling her he wanted to cut ties just made her say it sooner than she had planned.

Here are two reasons as to why I think Koko is more open with her feelings than Linda:
1. You said Linda was shy in front of her friends, that's reason enough to think Koko is more open, koko doesn't that shyness, she tells it how it is, regardless of whether it is to do with issues of love or not. She had no qualms with expressing her love to Mitsuo throughout their whole childhood and also at the beginning of the series, she had no trouble telling Chinami exactly how much she disliked her on more than one occasion, and she has no issues letting her feelings be known to Banri either, whether it's about her insecurities or her love for him.
2. Linda suppresses her feelings for Banri and lies to herself for Banri's sake because she doesn't want to ruin his relationship apparently. Conversely, Koko didn't care if it meant ruining Mitsuo's chances with other girls, she let them know Mitsuo was hers. Selfish? Yes, but it's still another way Koko is more open than Linda. She fights for her love, and I can at least find that admirable, unlike Linda.

I just think that even when you take personal circumstances into consideration, Koko is just a far more open person. Linda, in the eyes of the majority may be doing the "nice" thing, but regardless, she has had opportunities tell Banri at least an ounce of how she really feels, but kept on being dishonest. She didn't even have to rip up their picture, she could have left it alone, but she took it from him and ripped it herself. That just unnecessarily gave Banri even more false indications that she feels nothing for him.

7thVoid said:

Koko's more blunt than anything, but that's alright in my book.Linda had told him how she felt and he did remember. That's why he asked her about that moment. He wants to have a direct answer if she does or doesn't like him so that he can move on and focus on Koko. Luckily for Koko shippers Linda decides to once again hide her feelings. I say luckily because it'll leave less to worry about down the road for the two.Maybe.

Madara31 said:
In the context I'm speaking in, blunt and open mean essentially the same thing. Yeah she did indirectly imply how she felt, but until she tells him directly, I'm gonna continue to think she's a very annoyingly dishonest person.

I hope this doesn't give the wrong impression that I'm a fan of koko or Banri. I hate all 3 of them, I find the side cast to be much better. Linda just annoys me far more than the other two.

Madara31 said:
Here's the thing. I've read what's been translated of the light novels, I'm not sure if you have or not, but in the anime, not everything was explained about Koko's confession. In the light novel and manga (and maybe in the anime too but it gets more thoroughly explained in the former), Koko explains that she had always wanted to answer yes to Banri's confession, but didn't because firstly, she had only just been rejected by Mitsuo and didn't want Banri to be seen as a replacement because her feelings for Mitsuo were real, thus she wanted Banri to wait until she was ready to fully let go of Mitsuo and confess to him herself, but because Banri said he wouldn't wait anymore, she was forced to push the issue and confess sooner.

Koko was already aware of her feelings for Banri since before his confession, but him telling her he wanted to cut ties just made her say it sooner than she had planned.

Madara31 said:
Here are two reasons as to why I think Koko is more open with her feelings than Linda:
1. You said Linda was shy in front of her friends, that's reason enough to think Koko is more open, koko doesn't that shyness, she tells it how it is, regardless of whether it is to do with issues of love or not. She had no qualms with expressing her love to Mitsuo throughout their whole childhood and also at the beginning of the series, she had no trouble telling Chinami exactly how much she disliked her on more than one occasion, and she has no issues letting her feelings be known to Banri either, whether it's about her insecurities or her love for him.
2. Linda suppresses her feelings for Banri and lies to herself for Banri's sake because she doesn't want to ruin his relationship apparently. Conversely, Koko didn't care if it meant ruining Mitsuo's chances with other girls, she let them know Mitsuo was hers. Selfish? Yes, but it's still another way Koko is more open than Linda. She fights for her love, and I can at least find that admirable, unlike Linda.

Madara31 said:
I just think that even when you take personal circumstances into consideration, Koko is just a far more open person. Linda, in the eyes of the majority may be doing the "nice" thing, but regardless, she has had opportunities tell Banri at least an ounce of how she really feels, but kept on being dishonest.

Madara31 said:
She didn't even have to rip up their picture, she could have left it alone, but she took it from him and ripped it herself. That just unnecessarily gave Banri even more false indications that she feels nothing for him.

7thVoid said:
All that's left is to see how, why, and who caused the accident. This is me attempting to be objective.

bastek66 said:

Point of view is clear - Ghost Banri is whiny piece of shit, he should die already.

7thVoid said:
That being said it doesn't matter since there's a 100% chance of it being BanriXKoko.

Jal51 said:

I have no idea of the real answer, and what follows is only my random guess, but I'll put it in spoiler tag anyway, just to be on the safe side.
If I had to say who I think it is, I'd say it's


That's from new Banri's point of view.
From old Banri's point of view, just when he was about to start dating Linda he had his body stolen, and is now forced to witness him with another girl and being mean towards Linda, telling her to forget about their past.


Fixed that for you. I mean the op, ed, picture and novel covers only show her, it's not like there is even a 5% chance it doesn't end this way. Except if they do a tragic ending and the main char dies, but I see that at less than 1% chance !

Jal51 said:

So why do I still prefer Linda ? Actually I'm not even sure if I want them together, it's just that I love the way Banri snaps on her when talking about the past, it sends chills all over my body :P
On the other hand I hate Koko. Both her personality and her relationship with Banri. Her voice too ! I realized by browsing through the characters she dubbed that I hate most of Horie Yui's roles :P

Madara31 said:
Your points are understandable, but I think my long hatred for characters like Linda will prevent me from changing my mind :P I've never been able to stand tsunderes and characters who hide what they really feel. Linda is the latter in a nutshell so my dislike is amplified, lol.

Basically, I don't want someone who spent the entire series lying and hiding her feelings, to end up with the object of her affection at the end. It's almost as if she's being rewarded for her dishonesty. That's basically why I prefer Koko. By no means does that mean I particularly like her, I dislike all three of them, and Koko's clingy personality among other things often do go too far. But you can tell she's sincere when she says she's trying her best for Banri.

Byakuran-j said:
in my opinion banri should stay with linda,., the romance between he and kouko its ok., but he is linda´s osananajimi.,., they have more history together., and i really dont read the manga so i dont know whats gonna happen but i think or at least i wish he confess his feelings for linda .,., what u think?????