| Numbers keep going up, be it indicators, NASDAQ, wealth, GDP... yet people can't buy groceries or a house, so something must be wrong, right? Recently I got close to 5k likes, 450+ RTs and 90 comments on a Tweet of mine commenting how just ten years ago the average powerlevel of the average anime fan was such an order of magnitude higher than nowadays levels that it felt like a whole different universe. Technically speaking, "dilution" isn't an issue: Between having 5 good anime out of 10 and having 10 good anime out of 50, the latter option is preferable since I'll not watch the slop and I'll have more good anime in absolute numbers. The issue, I feel, is that the dilution within the community happened with the absolute numbers getting lower, and that this is causing a spiral that may break the industry. If the "new people" who're getting into anime are at most watching 20 and then dipping out, and if even most of those who stay essentially create nothing (e.g. No video-essays, no charts, etc), we have a massive problem. Yes, in a hobby like gaming most people will stick to games that have balls or guns in them, but outside of that you still have enough people in absolute number to generate autopoiesis (The term autopoiesis, one of several current theories of life, refers to a system capable of producing and maintaining itself by creating its own parts.), meaning that things like JoshStrifeHayes playing older games, Stika making videos about what Europeans were playing in the 90's and NeverKnowsBest introducing people to certain genres creates more people into those things, which re-creates the conditions that made those three possible to exist, which creates more people like them. When it comes to anime, the thread has been severed, and this created a spiral: People who would otherwise get into the hobby, stay for longer, deepen themselves in it or even make content about it might no longer been doing so because, instead of being exposed to the history and diversity of anime, they're been over-exposed to maybe 20 shows at best in an incessant rumination of the same (Often wrong) talking-points and discourse. The easiest way to prove this is for you to simply look at your favorite anime, or simply some anime you've been watching recently and liked, and ask yourself "Would I be here watching this if I had started on the hobby last year?". Like I expressed in Is MAL a retirement home?, places like MAL, /a/ and many aspects of anime culture still live on via older members, but I don't feel that there's a system to keep that going. Is the anime, like the economy, seemingly healthy and growing on the outside, but actually rotting and decaying on the inside? |
| No, I think the rest of the internet is decaying but MAL (and anywhere else strongly aligned with Japanese stuff) is immortalized. (I was including YouTube accounts focused on Japanese content, also Japanese VTuber YouTube accounts among "anywhere else.") (I just subscribed to some brand new VTubers that are slowly and steadily gaining subscribers.) If MAL is losing any activity, the people who leave it were never part of the mission in the first place. They are deserters. |
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| BTW, I used the "Autopoiesis" example, but you could also go with Althusser's "every social formation must constantly reproduce the conditions of its production in order to exist and continue producing". |
| It's more like a sleeping giant than a zombie because the Waifu War threads and others keep going. Even my own themed competition threads, which are smaller scale but have quality > quantity with the replies. |
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| In a time where people have less free-time and more life demands, is it really surprising people aren't making videos and essays? |
| "Well, she's flatter than a pancake" -Mimi Alpacas |
| if the anime community is a zombie, then it’s the most well‑dressed, over‑analyzing, lore‑obsessed zombie horde in human history. |
thewiru said: Numbers keep going up, be it indicators, NASDAQ, wealth, GDP... yet people can't buy groceries or a house, so something must be wrong, right? Recently I got close to 5k likes, 450+ RTs and 90 comments on a Tweet of mine commenting how just ten years ago the average powerlevel of the average anime fan was such an order of magnitude higher than nowadays levels that it felt like a whole different universe. Technically speaking, "dilution" isn't an issue: Between having 5 good anime out of 10 and having 10 good anime out of 50, the latter option is preferable since I'll not watch the slop and I'll have more good anime in absolute numbers. The issue, I feel, is that the dilution within the community happened with the absolute numbers getting lower, and that this is causing a spiral that may break the industry. If the "new people" who're getting into anime are at most watching 20 and then dipping out, and if even most of those who stay essentially create nothing (e.g. No video-essays, no charts, etc), we have a massive problem. Yes, in a hobby like gaming most people will stick to games that have balls or guns in them, but outside of that you still have enough people in absolute number to generate autopoiesis (The term autopoiesis, one of several current theories of life, refers to a system capable of producing and maintaining itself by creating its own parts.), meaning that things like JoshStrifeHayes playing older games, Stika making videos about what Europeans were playing in the 90's and NeverKnowsBest introducing people to certain genres creates more people into those things, which re-creates the conditions that made those three possible to exist, which creates more people like them. When it comes to anime, the thread has been severed, and this created a spiral: People who would otherwise get into the hobby, stay for longer, deepen themselves in it or even make content about it might no longer been doing so because, instead of being exposed to the history and diversity of anime, they're been over-exposed to maybe 20 shows at best in an incessant rumination of the same (Often wrong) talking-points and discourse. The easiest way to prove this is for you to simply look at your favorite anime, or simply some anime you've been watching recently and liked, and ask yourself "Would I be here watching this if I had started on the hobby last year?". Like I expressed in Is MAL a retirement home?, places like MAL, /a/ and many aspects of anime culture still live on via older members, but I don't feel that there's a system to keep that going. Is the anime, like the economy, seemingly healthy and growing on the outside, but actually rotting and decaying on the inside? Oh boy, thewiru’s out here fucking diagnosing the anime community like it’s some terminally ill patient in an ICU, but all they’ve got is shit like a stethoscope made of nostalgia and a clipboard of cherry-picked twats. Let me try to unpack this rotting corpse they’re trying to reanimate... First off, claiming the “average powerlevel” of fans has dropped is like fucking standing in a McDonald’s parking lot and declaring that hamburgers are dying because they don’t smell like your grandma’s 1950s roast. The fandom has exploded globally. Sure, half the newcomers binge one show and vanish, but the other half are creating content, starting YouTube channels, posting on TikTok, translating obscure OVAs, running Discord servers, and funding Blu-rays. Your “decaying zombie community” is actually just a sprawling, chaotic organism growing, in the ass crack from hell of the internet, in ways your stethoscope of nostalgia can’t actually fucking measure. lol Now, about this apocalyptic “spiral of dilution” shit you keep seeing... expecting every new fan to become a video essayist or chart-making savant is like expecting every person who eats ramen to become a 3 star chef that works in a fast food dump between a laundromat and a sketchy massage parlor named "Happy Endings". Fandom isn’t some closed-loop laboratory experiment. The shit is messy, vibrant, and thrives on diversity. Casual fans still fucking matter, sometimes they even matter more than long time fans... Because they will often be inclined to still buy merch, stream legally, and introduce friends to the shit. That’s literally what keeps the industry alive. The anime “autopoiesis” hasn’t failed... it just looks different from your golden-age memory filter. lol The fucking health of even an online community isn’t measured by how many people dissect every frame like forensic analysts. It’s measured by engagement in all forms. Yes, highly engaged creators sustain the culture, but it's actually the casual participation fueling the shit. The fandom is not a fucking zombie... it’s a chaotic city with skyscrapers, alleyways, and occasional freak show street performers showing off how far they can stick one hand up their ass while playing a flute on a bike with one wheel. Some parts of the city are empty at night, but the lights never go out, the trains keep running, and new neighborhoods keep springing up. Anime today is bigger, more diverse, and more accessible than ever... your golden-era lament is a romanticized myth, not a terminal diagnosis of a reanimated corpse that smells like ass. lol |
ColourWheelDec 12, 11:24 PM
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| Why? There are fans only, nothing more. Pluses and minuses are everywhere. |
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thewiru said: Going on a tangent about the state of socio/economic conditions is not relevant to anime, unless your topic is about the affordability of the hobby. ...why? thewiru said: You don't have to care...up to you. Why should I care about the opinion of someone who hasn't even read my thread? |
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thewiru said:
...why?
Going on a tangent about the state of socio/economic conditions is not relevant to anime, unless your topic is about the affordability of the hobby. ...why?
thewiru said:
Why should I care about the opinion of someone who hasn't even read my thread?
You don't have to care...up to you. Why should I care about the opinion of someone who hasn't even read my thread?
BilboBaggins365 said: Going on a tangent about the state of socio/economic conditions is not relevant to anime, unless your topic is about the affordability of the hobby. Why should every phrase be directly relevant to anime, rather than the thread at large? |
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thewiru said:
Numbers keep going up, be it indicators, NASDAQ, wealth, GDP... yet people can't buy groceries or a house, so something must be wrong, right?
Recently I got close to 5k likes, 450+ RTs and 90 comments on a Tweet of mine commenting how just ten years ago the average powerlevel of the average anime fan was such an order of magnitude higher than nowadays levels that it felt like a whole different universe.
Technically speaking, "dilution" isn't an issue: Between having 5 good anime out of 10 and having 10 good anime out of 50, the latter option is preferable since I'll not watch the slop and I'll have more good anime in absolute numbers.
The issue, I feel, is that the dilution within the community happened with the absolute numbers getting lower, and that this is causing a spiral that may break the industry.
If the "new people" who're getting into anime are at most watching 20 and then dipping out, and if even most of those who stay essentially create nothing (e.g. No video-essays, no charts, etc), we have a massive problem.
Yes, in a hobby like gaming most people will stick to games that have balls or guns in them, but outside of that you still have enough people in absolute number to generate autopoiesis (The term autopoiesis, one of several current theories of life, refers to a system capable of producing and maintaining itself by creating its own parts.), meaning that things like JoshStrifeHayes playing older games, Stika making videos about what Europeans were playing in the 90's and NeverKnowsBest introducing people to certain genres creates more people into those things, which re-creates the conditions that made those three possible to exist, which creates more people like them.
When it comes to anime, the thread has been severed, and this created a spiral: People who would otherwise get into the hobby, stay for longer, deepen themselves in it or even make content about it might no longer been doing so because, instead of being exposed to the history and diversity of anime, they're been over-exposed to maybe 20 shows at best in an incessant rumination of the same (Often wrong) talking-points and discourse. The easiest way to prove this is for you to simply look at your favorite anime, or simply some anime you've been watching recently and liked, and ask yourself "Would I be here watching this if I had started on the hobby last year?".
Like I expressed in Is MAL a retirement home?, places like MAL, /a/ and many aspects of anime culture still live on via older members, but I don't feel that there's a system to keep that going.
Is the anime, like the economy, seemingly healthy and growing on the outside, but actually rotting and decaying on the inside?
Numbers keep going up, be it indicators, NASDAQ, wealth, GDP... yet people can't buy groceries or a house, so something must be wrong, right?
Recently I got close to 5k likes, 450+ RTs and 90 comments on a Tweet of mine commenting how just ten years ago the average powerlevel of the average anime fan was such an order of magnitude higher than nowadays levels that it felt like a whole different universe.
Technically speaking, "dilution" isn't an issue: Between having 5 good anime out of 10 and having 10 good anime out of 50, the latter option is preferable since I'll not watch the slop and I'll have more good anime in absolute numbers.
The issue, I feel, is that the dilution within the community happened with the absolute numbers getting lower, and that this is causing a spiral that may break the industry.
If the "new people" who're getting into anime are at most watching 20 and then dipping out, and if even most of those who stay essentially create nothing (e.g. No video-essays, no charts, etc), we have a massive problem.
Yes, in a hobby like gaming most people will stick to games that have balls or guns in them, but outside of that you still have enough people in absolute number to generate autopoiesis (The term autopoiesis, one of several current theories of life, refers to a system capable of producing and maintaining itself by creating its own parts.), meaning that things like JoshStrifeHayes playing older games, Stika making videos about what Europeans were playing in the 90's and NeverKnowsBest introducing people to certain genres creates more people into those things, which re-creates the conditions that made those three possible to exist, which creates more people like them.
When it comes to anime, the thread has been severed, and this created a spiral: People who would otherwise get into the hobby, stay for longer, deepen themselves in it or even make content about it might no longer been doing so because, instead of being exposed to the history and diversity of anime, they're been over-exposed to maybe 20 shows at best in an incessant rumination of the same (Often wrong) talking-points and discourse. The easiest way to prove this is for you to simply look at your favorite anime, or simply some anime you've been watching recently and liked, and ask yourself "Would I be here watching this if I had started on the hobby last year?".
Like I expressed in Is MAL a retirement home?, places like MAL, /a/ and many aspects of anime culture still live on via older members, but I don't feel that there's a system to keep that going.
Is the anime, like the economy, seemingly healthy and growing on the outside, but actually rotting and decaying on the inside?
Oh boy, thewiru’s out here fucking diagnosing the anime community like it’s some terminally ill patient in an ICU, but all they’ve got is shit like a stethoscope made of nostalgia and a clipboard of cherry-picked twats. Let me try to unpack this rotting corpse they’re trying to reanimate...
First off, claiming the “average powerlevel” of fans has dropped is like fucking standing in a McDonald’s parking lot and declaring that hamburgers are dying because they don’t smell like your grandma’s 1950s roast. The fandom has exploded globally. Sure, half the newcomers binge one show and vanish, but the other half are creating content, starting YouTube channels, posting on TikTok, translating obscure OVAs, running Discord servers, and funding Blu-rays. Your “decaying zombie community” is actually just a sprawling, chaotic organism growing, in the ass crack from hell of the internet, in ways your stethoscope of nostalgia can’t actually fucking measure. lol
Now, about this apocalyptic “spiral of dilution” shit you keep seeing... expecting every new fan to become a video essayist or chart-making savant is like expecting every person who eats ramen to become a 3 star chef that works in a fast food dump between a laundromat and a sketchy massage parlor named "Happy Endings". Fandom isn’t some closed-loop laboratory experiment. The shit is messy, vibrant, and thrives on diversity. Casual fans still fucking matter, sometimes they even matter more than long time fans... Because they will often be inclined to still buy merch, stream legally, and introduce friends to the shit. That’s literally what keeps the industry alive. The anime “autopoiesis” hasn’t failed... it just looks different from your golden-age memory filter. lol
The fucking health of even an online community isn’t measured by how many people dissect every frame like forensic analysts. It’s measured by engagement in all forms. Yes, highly engaged creators sustain the culture, but it's actually the casual participation fueling the shit. The fandom is not a fucking zombie... it’s a chaotic city with skyscrapers, alleyways, and occasional freak show street performers showing off how far they can stick one hand up their ass while playing a flute on a bike with one wheel. Some parts of the city are empty at night, but the lights never go out, the trains keep running, and new neighborhoods keep springing up. Anime today is bigger, more diverse, and more accessible than ever... your golden-era lament is a romanticized myth, not a terminal diagnosis of a reanimated corpse that smells like ass. lol
| @ColourWheel Why are you presupposing that I'm wrong and it's just "nostalgia" when I'm talking about a fact? ColourWheel said: Sure, half the newcomers binge one show and vanish, but the other half are creating content, starting YouTube channels, posting on TikTok, translating obscure OVAs, running Discord servers, and funding Blu-rays. OK, recommend me some. |
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It might have more to do with newer fans outnumbering the deep fans that create the content. Since most newer fans seem to want to discuss instead of actually digging deeper into anime. And I also think there isn't anything you can do to change that.
| @Azulmagia88 Dilution wouldn't be such an issue, the issue that I think there's also less deep fans creating content in general :/ |
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@thewiru beacuse your twitter-hit was just algojerk nostalgiaslop about how xxxtentacion watched the super niche show, chaos;head and people used to recommend baccano and shit and now only watch shonenshit, so yes your dissertation about fandom-behaviour is pretty faulty
equipped with your limpyzoomer trendy keyword trivia quips (thats why i said tiktok is your friend)
equipped with your limpyzoomer trendy keyword trivia quips (thats why i said tiktok is your friend)
Flick_on said: and now only watch shonenshit Part of my point is that there were also people who only watched shonenshit back then, but that even them watched more stuff. |
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Flick_on said:
and now only watch shonenshit
and now only watch shonenshit
Part of my point is that there were also people who only watched shonenshit back then, but that even them watched more stuff.
| @thewiru how does that work out. If they only watched shonen shit. Then they only watched shonen shit |
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thewiru said: ColourWheel said: Oh boy, thewiru’s out here fucking diagnosing the anime community like it’s some terminally ill patient in an ICU, but all they’ve got is shit like a stethoscope made of nostalgia and a clipboard of cherry-picked twats. Let me try to unpack this rotting corpse they’re trying to reanimate... First off, claiming the “average powerlevel” of fans has dropped is like fucking standing in a McDonald’s parking lot and declaring that hamburgers are dying because they don’t smell like your grandma’s 1950s roast. The fandom has exploded globally. Sure, half the newcomers binge one show and vanish, but the other half are creating content, starting YouTube channels, posting on TikTok, translating obscure OVAs, running Discord servers, and funding Blu-rays. Your “decaying zombie community” is actually just a sprawling, chaotic organism growing, in the ass crack from hell of the internet, in ways your stethoscope of nostalgia can’t actually fucking measure. lol Now, about this apocalyptic “spiral of dilution” shit you keep seeing... expecting every new fan to become a video essayist or chart-making savant is like expecting every person who eats ramen to become a 3 star chef that works in a fast food dump between a laundromat and a sketchy massage parlor named "Happy Endings". Fandom isn’t some closed-loop laboratory experiment. The shit is messy, vibrant, and thrives on diversity. Casual fans still fucking matter, sometimes they even matter more than long time fans... Because they will often be inclined to still buy merch, stream legally, and introduce friends to the shit. That’s literally what keeps the industry alive. The anime “autopoiesis” hasn’t failed... it just looks different from your golden-age memory filter. lol The fucking health of even an online community isn’t measured by how many people dissect every frame like forensic analysts. It’s measured by engagement in all forms. Yes, highly engaged creators sustain the culture, but it's actually the casual participation fueling the shit. The fandom is not a fucking zombie... it’s a chaotic city with skyscrapers, alleyways, and occasional freak show street performers showing off how far they can stick one hand up their ass while playing a flute on a bike with one wheel. Some parts of the city are empty at night, but the lights never go out, the trains keep running, and new neighborhoods keep springing up. Anime today is bigger, more diverse, and more accessible than ever... your golden-era lament is a romanticized myth, not a terminal diagnosis of a reanimated corpse that smells like ass. lol @ColourWheel Why are you presupposing that I'm wrong and it's just "nostalgia" when I'm talking about a fact? ColourWheel said: Sure, half the newcomers binge one show and vanish, but the other half are creating content, starting YouTube channels, posting on TikTok, translating obscure OVAs, running Discord servers, and funding Blu-rays. OK, recommend me some. Yeah @Flick_on just summed up the shit I was about to post here... Flick_on said: @thewiru beacuse your twitter-hit was just algojerk nostalgiaslop about how xxxtentacion watched the super niche show, chaos;head and people used to recommend baccano and shit, so yes your dissertation about fandom-behaviour is pretty faulty equipped with your limpyzoomer keyword trivia quips But if you really want a shitlist of Youtube creators (shit I don't personally waste my time with, because I don't need to hear other peoples shitty takes on shit to enjoy what I consume), here you go... "Gigguk", "The Anime Man", "Mother’s Basement", "TeamFourStar", "Super Eyepatch Wolf", etc... and any numerous Zoomer brats with a video camera and enough followers to boot will basically do for you. They’ll probably be more relatable anyway, given your demographic‑filtered, shallow perspective on this medium. lol |
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thewiru said:
@ColourWheel
Why are you presupposing that I'm wrong and it's just "nostalgia" when I'm talking about a fact?
OK, recommend me some.
ColourWheel said:
Oh boy, thewiru’s out here fucking diagnosing the anime community like it’s some terminally ill patient in an ICU, but all they’ve got is shit like a stethoscope made of nostalgia and a clipboard of cherry-picked twats. Let me try to unpack this rotting corpse they’re trying to reanimate...
First off, claiming the “average powerlevel” of fans has dropped is like fucking standing in a McDonald’s parking lot and declaring that hamburgers are dying because they don’t smell like your grandma’s 1950s roast. The fandom has exploded globally. Sure, half the newcomers binge one show and vanish, but the other half are creating content, starting YouTube channels, posting on TikTok, translating obscure OVAs, running Discord servers, and funding Blu-rays. Your “decaying zombie community” is actually just a sprawling, chaotic organism growing, in the ass crack from hell of the internet, in ways your stethoscope of nostalgia can’t actually fucking measure. lol
Now, about this apocalyptic “spiral of dilution” shit you keep seeing... expecting every new fan to become a video essayist or chart-making savant is like expecting every person who eats ramen to become a 3 star chef that works in a fast food dump between a laundromat and a sketchy massage parlor named "Happy Endings". Fandom isn’t some closed-loop laboratory experiment. The shit is messy, vibrant, and thrives on diversity. Casual fans still fucking matter, sometimes they even matter more than long time fans... Because they will often be inclined to still buy merch, stream legally, and introduce friends to the shit. That’s literally what keeps the industry alive. The anime “autopoiesis” hasn’t failed... it just looks different from your golden-age memory filter. lol
The fucking health of even an online community isn’t measured by how many people dissect every frame like forensic analysts. It’s measured by engagement in all forms. Yes, highly engaged creators sustain the culture, but it's actually the casual participation fueling the shit. The fandom is not a fucking zombie... it’s a chaotic city with skyscrapers, alleyways, and occasional freak show street performers showing off how far they can stick one hand up their ass while playing a flute on a bike with one wheel. Some parts of the city are empty at night, but the lights never go out, the trains keep running, and new neighborhoods keep springing up. Anime today is bigger, more diverse, and more accessible than ever... your golden-era lament is a romanticized myth, not a terminal diagnosis of a reanimated corpse that smells like ass. lol
Oh boy, thewiru’s out here fucking diagnosing the anime community like it’s some terminally ill patient in an ICU, but all they’ve got is shit like a stethoscope made of nostalgia and a clipboard of cherry-picked twats. Let me try to unpack this rotting corpse they’re trying to reanimate...
First off, claiming the “average powerlevel” of fans has dropped is like fucking standing in a McDonald’s parking lot and declaring that hamburgers are dying because they don’t smell like your grandma’s 1950s roast. The fandom has exploded globally. Sure, half the newcomers binge one show and vanish, but the other half are creating content, starting YouTube channels, posting on TikTok, translating obscure OVAs, running Discord servers, and funding Blu-rays. Your “decaying zombie community” is actually just a sprawling, chaotic organism growing, in the ass crack from hell of the internet, in ways your stethoscope of nostalgia can’t actually fucking measure. lol
Now, about this apocalyptic “spiral of dilution” shit you keep seeing... expecting every new fan to become a video essayist or chart-making savant is like expecting every person who eats ramen to become a 3 star chef that works in a fast food dump between a laundromat and a sketchy massage parlor named "Happy Endings". Fandom isn’t some closed-loop laboratory experiment. The shit is messy, vibrant, and thrives on diversity. Casual fans still fucking matter, sometimes they even matter more than long time fans... Because they will often be inclined to still buy merch, stream legally, and introduce friends to the shit. That’s literally what keeps the industry alive. The anime “autopoiesis” hasn’t failed... it just looks different from your golden-age memory filter. lol
The fucking health of even an online community isn’t measured by how many people dissect every frame like forensic analysts. It’s measured by engagement in all forms. Yes, highly engaged creators sustain the culture, but it's actually the casual participation fueling the shit. The fandom is not a fucking zombie... it’s a chaotic city with skyscrapers, alleyways, and occasional freak show street performers showing off how far they can stick one hand up their ass while playing a flute on a bike with one wheel. Some parts of the city are empty at night, but the lights never go out, the trains keep running, and new neighborhoods keep springing up. Anime today is bigger, more diverse, and more accessible than ever... your golden-era lament is a romanticized myth, not a terminal diagnosis of a reanimated corpse that smells like ass. lol
@ColourWheel
Why are you presupposing that I'm wrong and it's just "nostalgia" when I'm talking about a fact?
ColourWheel said:
Sure, half the newcomers binge one show and vanish, but the other half are creating content, starting YouTube channels, posting on TikTok, translating obscure OVAs, running Discord servers, and funding Blu-rays.
Sure, half the newcomers binge one show and vanish, but the other half are creating content, starting YouTube channels, posting on TikTok, translating obscure OVAs, running Discord servers, and funding Blu-rays.
OK, recommend me some.
Yeah @Flick_on just summed up the shit I was about to post here...
Flick_on said:
@thewiru beacuse your twitter-hit was just algojerk nostalgiaslop about how xxxtentacion watched the super niche show, chaos;head and people used to recommend baccano and shit, so yes your dissertation about fandom-behaviour is pretty faulty
equipped with your limpyzoomer keyword trivia quips
@thewiru beacuse your twitter-hit was just algojerk nostalgiaslop about how xxxtentacion watched the super niche show, chaos;head and people used to recommend baccano and shit, so yes your dissertation about fandom-behaviour is pretty faulty
equipped with your limpyzoomer keyword trivia quips
But if you really want a shitlist of Youtube creators (shit I don't personally waste my time with, because I don't need to hear other peoples shitty takes on shit to enjoy what I consume), here you go... "Gigguk", "The Anime Man", "Mother’s Basement", "TeamFourStar", "Super Eyepatch Wolf", etc... and any numerous Zoomer brats with a video camera and enough followers to boot will basically do for you. They’ll probably be more relatable anyway, given your demographic‑filtered, shallow perspective on this medium. lol
| @ColourWheel ...stuff I was watching nearly ten years ago? That proves my point, not yours, lol. |
| Yes OP, your nebulous figment is a zombie. |
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thewiru said: @ColourWheel ...stuff I was watching nearly ten years ago? That proves my point, not yours, lol. Just because they existed 10 years ago doesn’t mean they’re fucking rotting zombies now. Last I checked, all of them still have active YouTube channels with more followers than they did ten years ago. You have proved jack shit with that flimsy logic. lol And honestly, I don’t need to hunt down videos of people talking about anime just to hear their shitty takes. Nor am I on the hunt for re-animated rotting corpses. lol If there are newer numerous fucking YouTuber influencers, they are so far buried within the algorithms, they are practically invisible. Not because the medium is dying, it’s just that public platforms heavily favor incumbents and established branding in a shared space like YouTube. lol That’s why creators who started this shit over ten years ago dominate visibility. Not because the fandom is decaying, but because discovery systems reward longevity and momentum. lol Overall, if one wants to fall back on “older consumption patterns” as the definition of a “healthy fandom”, that’s just moving the goalposts. Engagement didn’t disappear... it changed shape. Judging today’s anime culture by your perceived standards doesn’t prove rot, it just shows the metric is obsolete. lol |
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thewiru said: I got close to 5k likes, 450+ RTs and 90 comments on a Tweet of mine You convinced me with this strong evidence. Not sure what the rest of OP is about, I'm from the countryside. |
| Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
| I've been eagerly awaiting thewiru's latest installment of "Is the Anime Community _____?" Previous episodes feature comparisons to Dark Souls and the Roman Empire. What will thewiru compare the anime community to next time? Stay tuned! |
LucifrostDec 13, 12:50 PM
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Lucifrost said: I've been eagerly awaiting thewiru's latest installment of "Is the Anime Community _____?" Previous episode feature comparisons to Dark Souls and the Roman Empire. What will thewiru compare the anime community to next time? Stay tuned! When you put shit that way, you make it look more like someone trying to dip their cock in a small pond, constantly fishing for some shit that will actually really fucking stick, hoping it sparks some kind of cosmic revelation... like a black hole of self-importance swallowing all logic and reasoning and leaving only the faint echoes of “Ultimate Anime Influencer” etched into that void. lol At this rate, this shit is less on the road to becoming some low-key influencer, when it comes to this medium, and more like eventually becoming the new poster-child for a supernova of shitty MAL hot takes, illuminating the anime internet for approximately 0.0003 seconds before collapsing under it's own weight of the perpetual self-absorbed absurdity. lol Most of the topics created can be so easily debunked, because they are just that fucking flimsy, the shit is actually that comical. lol Meanwhile, others are either asteroid-dodging through this orbit, like trying to avoid the flying shit flinging everywhere, or just diving into the Interdimensional waffles just for the fuck of it. lol One can only wonder, how many more times one would need to post metaphysical brain farts to actually one day realize that trying to school the rest of the MAL community, with whatever half-baked, trans-dimensional, pseudo-intellectual, non-sense they’ve pulled out of their ass, is actually always less profound in any meaningful way and more like an on-going cosmic joke. lol |
ColourWheelDec 13, 10:55 AM
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| Who doesn't like to watch anime? Anime is the best thing to ever exist. Everyone likes their degenerate waifu anime shows like Konosuba and Senran Kagura. |
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thewiru said:
@ColourWheel
...stuff I was watching nearly ten years ago?
That proves my point, not yours, lol.
@ColourWheel
...stuff I was watching nearly ten years ago?
That proves my point, not yours, lol.
Just because they existed 10 years ago doesn’t mean they’re fucking rotting zombies now. Last I checked, all of them still have active YouTube channels with more followers than they did ten years ago. You have proved jack shit with that flimsy logic. lol
And honestly, I don’t need to hunt down videos of people talking about anime just to hear their shitty takes. Nor am I on the hunt for re-animated rotting corpses. lol
If there are newer numerous fucking YouTuber influencers, they are so far buried within the algorithms, they are practically invisible. Not because the medium is dying, it’s just that public platforms heavily favor incumbents and established branding in a shared space like YouTube. lol
That’s why creators who started this shit over ten years ago dominate visibility. Not because the fandom is decaying, but because discovery systems reward longevity and momentum. lol
Overall, if one wants to fall back on “older consumption patterns” as the definition of a “healthy fandom”, that’s just moving the goalposts. Engagement didn’t disappear... it changed shape. Judging today’s anime culture by your perceived standards doesn’t prove rot, it just shows the metric is obsolete. lol
ColourWheel said: If there are newer numerous fucking YouTuber influencers, they are so far buried within the algorithms, they are practically invisible. Not because the medium is dying, it’s just that public platforms heavily favor incumbents and established branding in a shared space like YouTube. lol That’s why creators who started this shit over ten years ago dominate visibility. Not because the fandom is decaying, but because discovery systems reward longevity and momentum. lol Then why isn't that the case with gaming or cinema? |
thewiru said: ColourWheel said: Just because they existed 10 years ago doesn’t mean they’re fucking rotting zombies now. Last I checked, all of them still have active YouTube channels with more followers than they did ten years ago. You have proved jack shit with that flimsy logic. lol And honestly, I don’t need to hunt down videos of people talking about anime just to hear their shitty takes. Nor am I on the hunt for re-animated rotting corpses. lol If there are newer numerous fucking YouTuber influencers, they are so far buried within the algorithms, they are practically invisible. Not because the medium is dying, it’s just that public platforms heavily favor incumbents and established branding in a shared space like YouTube. lol That’s why creators who started this shit over ten years ago dominate visibility. Not because the fandom is decaying, but because discovery systems reward longevity and momentum. lol Overall, if one wants to fall back on “older consumption patterns” as the definition of a “healthy fandom”, that’s just moving the goalposts. Engagement didn’t disappear... it changed shape. Judging today’s anime culture by your perceived standards doesn’t prove rot, it just shows the metric is obsolete. lol Then why isn't that the case with gaming or cinema? I am not going to start lecturing you as if I know fucking everything… but anime is not gaming, and it’s not fucking cinema either. Comparing this shit is like saying a goldfish, a velociraptor, and a limp cock are all equally qualified to compete in a pussy-eating contest. Basically, this shit likely operates in completely different ecosystems. lol From the limited info I know about this petty shit, gaming thrives on shit like Twitch streams, Let’s Plays, and esports tournaments… basically I think of it as a firehose of new blood where even a brat who is far younger than even you are with a webcam and a squeaky voice can become some shit like the next "PewDiePie" or some shit like that, making ten's of thousands of dollars, because gaming takes skill. Cinema has studios, marketing blitzes, critics, and Rotten Tomatoes doing the fucking heavy lifting. Anime? It’s a chaotic blender of OVAs, streaming platforms, and niche fandom forums, all vying for a piece of attention (this shit was like this even 10 years ago). While YouTube’s algorithms act like a cranky old librarian with bad gas who only lets the OG creators sit at the cool kids’ table constantly farting their shit at your fucking direction. lol Speaking of algorithms… modern fucking recommendation engines are basically sentient vending machines with a vendetta these days. They look at your viewing habits over time and think, “Ah yes, this is exactly the hill we should keep fucking nudging you toward”. Watch one video of midgets fucking in bikinis… congratulations, the algorithm will start recommending more similar content it thinks you’ll click on based on that one video, prioritizing what aligns with your history of viewing interests over discovery of totally unrelated shit. The shit doesn’t literally trap you for fucking forever, but it sure likes to reinforce your own fucking patterns… and if you keep interacting with it, it’ll keep feeding you variations of the same shit, no matter how hard you are trying to look for something completely different. lol So when you look at anime creators from 10+ years ago dominating visibility, that's not fucking decay. It’s just incumbents riding the algorithmic gravy train, while new creators are out there, buried like treasure in shit, waiting for the algorithm to maybe notice them one day before their parents kick their ass out of their house for being nothing but a parasite living in their basement and forcing them to get a real fucking job. lol Fandom hasn’t rotted, it’s just been shoved into an absurd, chaotic, algorithmically curated funhouse asshole. And if you think that’s bad… welcome to the new fucking modern internet, where deleting your browsing history does basically jack shit, and AI-assisted algorithms are constantly telling you what you want to see next anyway. lol |
ColourWheelDec 13, 12:17 PM
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| Anime is a more niche community. Most people just watch popular shows and move on, and only the true fans stick around. |
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thewiru said:
Then why isn't that the case with gaming or cinema?
Then why isn't that the case with gaming or cinema?
Gaming has much more to analyze at a less in-depth level. Beyond character designs and narrative, there are art style decisions which can differ dramatically between games. Retro-style 2D pixel art, less-retro-style low poly 3D, modern high fidelity plnear-photorealism. And even there, we have in-betweens with "HD2D" graphics seen in Octopath and Dragon Quest remakes. High fidelity stylization like Fortnite uses... the list goes on. That's a single facet of games which a commentator can focus on and produce a significant amount of content on without having to point out (or even know about) the intricacies of game development.
Anime visuals don't vary nearly as much in that regard. This doesn't take into account the variety of structural differences of game genres (RPGs vs FPSs vs RTSs vs ...) - all of which have their own narratives which will also be subject to genre adherence and blending.
Film is a much more apt comparison, but it historically has more precedence for in-depth criticism. Its primary audience as a medium isn't mostly teens. The types of narratives and subject matter covers significantly greater breadth of human experiences, where most anime is power fantasy and romantic fantasy. This is why works like NHK or Berserk, where characters go through personal emotional struggles, and other more grounded character arcs tend to stand out amongst "shounen slop". Unfortunately, even series where there is character struggle are marred by gratuitous fan service. It shouldn't be particularly surprising that serious critics would have a hard time trying to explain the cultural significance of a sci-fi mecha anime when the primary characters have enourmous breasts flopping around or are wearing space bikinis. That kind of presentation has a tendency to undermine the messaging of even the most serious shows, and it's all too common within anime.
| @valico Then why did we use to have it in the past? |
This is true to any hobbies, not just anime. Also |
"Nobody could laugh at someone who's trying their hardest" -Machio- |
| "Is the anime community a zombie?" But...but zombies are fictional and fans aren't (I think). Like what aspect of the zombies we are talking about? Being controlled by a bokor (in our case influencer)? That's histrionically every fandom ever. "the average powerlevel of the average anime fan was such an order of magnitude higher than nowadays levels that it felt like a whole different universe" There are power levels? Am I living in a battle shounen? Are anime seasons my training arcs? ""dilution" isn't an issue: Between having 5 good anime out of 10 and having 10 good anime out of 50, the latter option is preferable since I'll not watch the slop and I'll have more good anime in absolute numbers" I wouldn’t watch the slop unless is entertaining anyway. And having more titles to pick from doesn't necessary mean there will be more shows from the types you like, nor that they will be good. For example we had more detective shows this year, which is one of my favourite genres...but none of those was that good, so I only liked the parodies. In general I am watching less anime nowadays and this is because some formulas are getting really tired and overused, but for some reason I have watched more titles in 2024 than in 2023 and 2025. Which proves that the process is not linear. "and if even most of those who stay essentially create nothing (e.g. No video-essays, no charts, etc), we have a massive problem." Naaah, even if anyone from us here was vloging (and had the time and the resources to make a watchable content), only few would be picked out by the algorithms (probably the ones which would pretend to agree with most of the fandoms). Thus zero problem here, since no one would make a dent anyway. "in a hobby like gaming" Why the OP constantly makes parallels with gaming? Sometimes it doesn't work. For example the anitubers who specialise in rare genres or retro titles don't do that well in comparison to the gametubers who do the same thing. Also there's the problem with accessibility. Tons of old games have ports or remakes for newer systems and most of retro anime is nowhere to find legally. Heck, even recent anime is disappearing from streaming services. "When it comes to anime, the thread has been severed" Naaah, people nowadays just think that: 1. Newer is automatically better, like with smartphones. 2. One should consume only stuff which is tailor made for their generation specifically. (Cause everyone who is at least 3 years older that you is a freaking boomer and is after your blood or something.) "The easiest way to prove this is for you to simply look at your favorite anime, or simply some anime you've been watching recently and liked, and ask yourself "Would I be here watching this if I had started on the hobby last year?"." Wut? Why doing something so complex? As one (dumb, but sincere) anime character once said "Fun things are fun.". Maybe there's no deeper reason why you enjoyed X or Y. Maybe you were simply in the mood...severed thread or not. "Like I expressed in Is MAL a retirement home?" Maybe it's simply not that of a loud place and more voices can be heard? "Is the anime, like the economy, seemingly healthy and growing on the outside, but actually rotting and decaying on the inside?" No idea, but until you can find titles to look forward, it's not that rotten on the outside. Also anime was proven to be quite flexible in times of need. |
| Dude, you need more hobbies outside anime. This isn't healthy. You are OBSESSED with how other people engage with anime. You are OBSESSED with how you yourself watch anime. This is not normal. |
thewiru said: Is the anime, like the economy, seemingly healthy and growing on the outside, but actually rotting and decaying on the inside? Was there any point to the "zombie" comparison in the title if you were just gonna drop it immediately in favor of an "economy" comparison for the OP (aside from obvious engagement bait reasons, of course)? Unless you're implying that zombies typically look "healthy and growing" on the outside to you? In which case: what the hell kinda zombie movies you watching? |
| Well, there are many people participating on this forum, meaning the anime community is not shrinking/disappearing.....the amount of new anime content may be shrinking, but the number of anime viewers is not shrinking. |
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| I can't wait to play as Rex in Ace Combat 8! YEEHAW! About F time! If digital buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing |
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thewiru said:
@ColourWheel
Why are you presupposing that I'm wrong and it's just "nostalgia" when I'm talking about a fact?
OK, recommend me some.
ColourWheel said:
Oh boy, thewiru’s out here fucking diagnosing the anime community like it’s some terminally ill patient in an ICU, but all they’ve got is shit like a stethoscope made of nostalgia and a clipboard of cherry-picked twats. Let me try to unpack this rotting corpse they’re trying to reanimate...
First off, claiming the “average powerlevel” of fans has dropped is like fucking standing in a McDonald’s parking lot and declaring that hamburgers are dying because they don’t smell like your grandma’s 1950s roast. The fandom has exploded globally. Sure, half the newcomers binge one show and vanish, but the other half are creating content, starting YouTube channels, posting on TikTok, translating obscure OVAs, running Discord servers, and funding Blu-rays. Your “decaying zombie community” is actually just a sprawling, chaotic organism growing, in the ass crack from hell of the internet, in ways your stethoscope of nostalgia can’t actually fucking measure. lol
Now, about this apocalyptic “spiral of dilution” shit you keep seeing... expecting every new fan to become a video essayist or chart-making savant is like expecting every person who eats ramen to become a 3 star chef that works in a fast food dump between a laundromat and a sketchy massage parlor named "Happy Endings". Fandom isn’t some closed-loop laboratory experiment. The shit is messy, vibrant, and thrives on diversity. Casual fans still fucking matter, sometimes they even matter more than long time fans... Because they will often be inclined to still buy merch, stream legally, and introduce friends to the shit. That’s literally what keeps the industry alive. The anime “autopoiesis” hasn’t failed... it just looks different from your golden-age memory filter. lol
The fucking health of even an online community isn’t measured by how many people dissect every frame like forensic analysts. It’s measured by engagement in all forms. Yes, highly engaged creators sustain the culture, but it's actually the casual participation fueling the shit. The fandom is not a fucking zombie... it’s a chaotic city with skyscrapers, alleyways, and occasional freak show street performers showing off how far they can stick one hand up their ass while playing a flute on a bike with one wheel. Some parts of the city are empty at night, but the lights never go out, the trains keep running, and new neighborhoods keep springing up. Anime today is bigger, more diverse, and more accessible than ever... your golden-era lament is a romanticized myth, not a terminal diagnosis of a reanimated corpse that smells like ass. lol
Oh boy, thewiru’s out here fucking diagnosing the anime community like it’s some terminally ill patient in an ICU, but all they’ve got is shit like a stethoscope made of nostalgia and a clipboard of cherry-picked twats. Let me try to unpack this rotting corpse they’re trying to reanimate...
First off, claiming the “average powerlevel” of fans has dropped is like fucking standing in a McDonald’s parking lot and declaring that hamburgers are dying because they don’t smell like your grandma’s 1950s roast. The fandom has exploded globally. Sure, half the newcomers binge one show and vanish, but the other half are creating content, starting YouTube channels, posting on TikTok, translating obscure OVAs, running Discord servers, and funding Blu-rays. Your “decaying zombie community” is actually just a sprawling, chaotic organism growing, in the ass crack from hell of the internet, in ways your stethoscope of nostalgia can’t actually fucking measure. lol
Now, about this apocalyptic “spiral of dilution” shit you keep seeing... expecting every new fan to become a video essayist or chart-making savant is like expecting every person who eats ramen to become a 3 star chef that works in a fast food dump between a laundromat and a sketchy massage parlor named "Happy Endings". Fandom isn’t some closed-loop laboratory experiment. The shit is messy, vibrant, and thrives on diversity. Casual fans still fucking matter, sometimes they even matter more than long time fans... Because they will often be inclined to still buy merch, stream legally, and introduce friends to the shit. That’s literally what keeps the industry alive. The anime “autopoiesis” hasn’t failed... it just looks different from your golden-age memory filter. lol
The fucking health of even an online community isn’t measured by how many people dissect every frame like forensic analysts. It’s measured by engagement in all forms. Yes, highly engaged creators sustain the culture, but it's actually the casual participation fueling the shit. The fandom is not a fucking zombie... it’s a chaotic city with skyscrapers, alleyways, and occasional freak show street performers showing off how far they can stick one hand up their ass while playing a flute on a bike with one wheel. Some parts of the city are empty at night, but the lights never go out, the trains keep running, and new neighborhoods keep springing up. Anime today is bigger, more diverse, and more accessible than ever... your golden-era lament is a romanticized myth, not a terminal diagnosis of a reanimated corpse that smells like ass. lol
@ColourWheel
Why are you presupposing that I'm wrong and it's just "nostalgia" when I'm talking about a fact?
ColourWheel said:
Sure, half the newcomers binge one show and vanish, but the other half are creating content, starting YouTube channels, posting on TikTok, translating obscure OVAs, running Discord servers, and funding Blu-rays.
Sure, half the newcomers binge one show and vanish, but the other half are creating content, starting YouTube channels, posting on TikTok, translating obscure OVAs, running Discord servers, and funding Blu-rays.
OK, recommend me some.
Yeah @Flick_on just summed up the shit I was about to post here...
Flick_on said:
@thewiru beacuse your twitter-hit was just algojerk nostalgiaslop about how xxxtentacion watched the super niche show, chaos;head and people used to recommend baccano and shit, so yes your dissertation about fandom-behaviour is pretty faulty
equipped with your limpyzoomer keyword trivia quips
@thewiru beacuse your twitter-hit was just algojerk nostalgiaslop about how xxxtentacion watched the super niche show, chaos;head and people used to recommend baccano and shit, so yes your dissertation about fandom-behaviour is pretty faulty
equipped with your limpyzoomer keyword trivia quips
But if you really want a shitlist of Youtube creators (shit I don't personally waste my time with, because I don't need to hear other peoples shitty takes on shit to enjoy what I consume), here you go... "Gigguk", "The Anime Man", "Mother’s Basement", "TeamFourStar", "Super Eyepatch Wolf", etc... and any numerous Zoomer brats with a video camera and enough followers to boot will basically do for you. They’ll probably be more relatable anyway, given your demographic‑filtered, shallow perspective on this medium. lol
| @ColourWheel ColourWheel said: "Gigguk", "The Anime Man", "Mother’s Basement", "TeamFourStar", "Super Eyepatch Wolf" All of these guys are pushing 40 if not already there what are you on about. Eyepatch Wolf barely makes anime content anymore as well. This list is like 5 years out of relevance homestar. |
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thewiru said:
Then why isn't that the case with gaming or cinema?
ColourWheel said:
Just because they existed 10 years ago doesn’t mean they’re fucking rotting zombies now. Last I checked, all of them still have active YouTube channels with more followers than they did ten years ago. You have proved jack shit with that flimsy logic. lol
And honestly, I don’t need to hunt down videos of people talking about anime just to hear their shitty takes. Nor am I on the hunt for re-animated rotting corpses. lol
If there are newer numerous fucking YouTuber influencers, they are so far buried within the algorithms, they are practically invisible. Not because the medium is dying, it’s just that public platforms heavily favor incumbents and established branding in a shared space like YouTube. lol
That’s why creators who started this shit over ten years ago dominate visibility. Not because the fandom is decaying, but because discovery systems reward longevity and momentum. lol
Overall, if one wants to fall back on “older consumption patterns” as the definition of a “healthy fandom”, that’s just moving the goalposts. Engagement didn’t disappear... it changed shape. Judging today’s anime culture by your perceived standards doesn’t prove rot, it just shows the metric is obsolete. lol
Just because they existed 10 years ago doesn’t mean they’re fucking rotting zombies now. Last I checked, all of them still have active YouTube channels with more followers than they did ten years ago. You have proved jack shit with that flimsy logic. lol
And honestly, I don’t need to hunt down videos of people talking about anime just to hear their shitty takes. Nor am I on the hunt for re-animated rotting corpses. lol
If there are newer numerous fucking YouTuber influencers, they are so far buried within the algorithms, they are practically invisible. Not because the medium is dying, it’s just that public platforms heavily favor incumbents and established branding in a shared space like YouTube. lol
That’s why creators who started this shit over ten years ago dominate visibility. Not because the fandom is decaying, but because discovery systems reward longevity and momentum. lol
Overall, if one wants to fall back on “older consumption patterns” as the definition of a “healthy fandom”, that’s just moving the goalposts. Engagement didn’t disappear... it changed shape. Judging today’s anime culture by your perceived standards doesn’t prove rot, it just shows the metric is obsolete. lol
Then why isn't that the case with gaming or cinema?
I am not going to start lecturing you as if I know fucking everything… but anime is not gaming, and it’s not fucking cinema either. Comparing this shit is like saying a goldfish, a velociraptor, and a limp cock are all equally qualified to compete in a pussy-eating contest. Basically, this shit likely operates in completely different ecosystems. lol
From the limited info I know about this petty shit, gaming thrives on shit like Twitch streams, Let’s Plays, and esports tournaments… basically I think of it as a firehose of new blood where even a brat who is far younger than even you are with a webcam and a squeaky voice can become some shit like the next "PewDiePie" or some shit like that, making ten's of thousands of dollars, because gaming takes skill. Cinema has studios, marketing blitzes, critics, and Rotten Tomatoes doing the fucking heavy lifting. Anime? It’s a chaotic blender of OVAs, streaming platforms, and niche fandom forums, all vying for a piece of attention (this shit was like this even 10 years ago). While YouTube’s algorithms act like a cranky old librarian with bad gas who only lets the OG creators sit at the cool kids’ table constantly farting their shit at your fucking direction. lol
Speaking of algorithms… modern fucking recommendation engines are basically sentient vending machines with a vendetta these days. They look at your viewing habits over time and think, “Ah yes, this is exactly the hill we should keep fucking nudging you toward”. Watch one video of midgets fucking in bikinis… congratulations, the algorithm will start recommending more similar content it thinks you’ll click on based on that one video, prioritizing what aligns with your history of viewing interests over discovery of totally unrelated shit. The shit doesn’t literally trap you for fucking forever, but it sure likes to reinforce your own fucking patterns… and if you keep interacting with it, it’ll keep feeding you variations of the same shit, no matter how hard you are trying to look for something completely different. lol
So when you look at anime creators from 10+ years ago dominating visibility, that's not fucking decay. It’s just incumbents riding the algorithmic gravy train, while new creators are out there, buried like treasure in shit, waiting for the algorithm to maybe notice them one day before their parents kick their ass out of their house for being nothing but a parasite living in their basement and forcing them to get a real fucking job. lol
Fandom hasn’t rotted, it’s just been shoved into an absurd, chaotic, algorithmically curated funhouse asshole. And if you think that’s bad… welcome to the new fucking modern internet, where deleting your browsing history does basically jack shit, and AI-assisted algorithms are constantly telling you what you want to see next anyway. lol
| @ColourWheel homie you make a lot of great points but you write like AVGN unironically |
| I think anime IS stagnating, and i think it's stagnating because anime FANS have stagnated. People don't want to take a chance on a new style or formula. They want the rush of watching DBZ again. They want their guilty pleasures, their gross fanservice, their aura farming action scenes... They want more slop. Companies don't want to put money into something that might not get a return, and they're very aware that the anime community already knows what it wants. It just happens that the things anime fans want are very off-putting to many other viewers coming in from the mainstream, and when it's a lot easier and cheaper and less risky to release another isekai or a DBZ clone, it makes it a lot harder for more interesting work adjacent to those genres to see the light of day. They're all competing for the same slots. |
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thewiru said:
Is the anime, like the economy, seemingly healthy and growing on the outside, but actually rotting and decaying on the inside?
Is the anime, like the economy, seemingly healthy and growing on the outside, but actually rotting and decaying on the inside?
Was there any point to the "zombie" comparison in the title if you were just gonna drop it immediately in favor of an "economy" comparison for the OP (aside from obvious engagement bait reasons, of course)?
Unless you're implying that zombies typically look "healthy and growing" on the outside to you? In which case: what the hell kinda zombie movies you watching?
| @Orororurando The original title was "Is the anime community like the economy?". Midway through writing it became "Is the anime community, like the economy, a zombie?". Then I deciding omitting the economy part altogether. |
| I came to this thread to have a good time and I'm honestly feeling so attacked right now. |
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Killjoy_Kora said: All of these guys are pushing 40 if not already there what are you on about. Eyepatch Wolf barely makes anime content anymore as well. This list is like 5 years out of relevance homestar. No fucking way any of these dudes are pushing 40. Going to sound like thewiru saying this shit but who fucking cares... "I should know..." I’m almost fucking 50. lol All of these fuckers were brats to me, when they started their online shticks back in the 2010s. Even that fucker "Gigguk", is maybe in his early to mid 30s, but most of these kids were literally at least still perpetually shitting in their diapers every day when I was still in high school during the early 90s rocking to shit like "Dirty Pair", "Bubblegum Crisis", "Macross", "Black Magic M-66", "Appleseed", "Dominion", "Wicked City", "Violence Jack: Slumking", "Venus Wars", "Vampire Hunter D", "Robot Carnival", "Project A-Ko", "Neo Tokyo", "Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind", "Megazone 23", "Golgo 13: The Professional", "Akira", "Fist of the North Star: The Movie", etc... . lol "The Anime Man", "Mother’s Basement", "Super Eyepatch Wolf", etc... were all literally in their fucking 20s when they started doing their online shtick. And likely highly doubt anyone would want to watch some brat now, a decade younger than they are, suddenly pop out of nowhere in 2025 making videos lecturing with shitty takes and talking like they "know" Japanese Anime better than people who have been into this medium for decades longer. lol So anyone throwing age out there like it's a fucking crutch, doesn't really say much. Shit like ages in their 30s or 40s only add to their credibility, if anything. Granted this is the internet and making content on a fucking platform like Youtube has limitations. Where once any of these kids one day become completely unattractive to watch, where they suddenly start going bald or their faces start looking like dried up prunes, no doubt their viewership will be making a nose dive. People who do this shit for a living can't get away doing this specific kind of content indefinitely. It’s akin to some popular mid 80s film suddenly trying to make a comeback with a new fucking sequel in the 2020s. Where the young sweet heart in this classic film looks like a fucking gramma now. When the actor "Tom Cruise" still look like he is 25 years younger than his actual real fucking age. So they just replace the actress with a new younger and attractive looking woman to play the new female lead in the story. Pretending "Kelly McGillis" doesn't even fucking exist anymore. lol Killjoy_Kora said: @ColourWheel homie you make a lot of great points but you write like AVGN unironically That just means someone like me comes across to as a fucking cranky old man, online. Which is fucking beautiful, if people are still reading the shit I post and either getting a good laugh or even actually taking it fucking seriously enough to say, "you make a lot of great points", Mission Accomplished! lol valico said: There are maybe ten users on this forum who I've seen that seem to have somewhat balanced opinions, and that includes the likes of both you and ColourWheel, just to give you and idea of how far fetched productive discussion seems lmao. If I were in my 20s in 2025... with no life, no wife, no friends, no job, and nothing but time... I’d probably be perpetually churning online discussions from my parents basement too, until they kicked my ass out for being nothing but a fucking financial parasite. lol Just a lot fucking older now. Have a family and real responsibilities. This shit can change the how, when, and why to anyone's online engagement. Even back in the late 2000s on old-school forums that don’t even fucking exist anymore... like as an example "Secular Café"... there were maybe a hundred active users total. Sometimes spent part of the day for a full hour crafting equivalent to almost three-page threads on everything from politics to shit like perpetual motion, and people would actually read the shit and engage constructively. The shit stayed civil mostly because anyone who wanted to actually fucking troll couldn’t even be bothered to read that much content in the first place. Long-form posting was basically a natural filter that kept random users from derailing shit. lol Eventually that place died. Moved to another old-school forum. That one died too. Rinse and repeat until ending up here in the 2020s... because all the cool, small, old-school forums are basically fucking dead now. lol But getting old has its fucking drawbacks too. Have severe carpal tunnel, not just from posting on forums, but from decades of sitting behind computers... dating back to school and college days, all the way through every workplace of employment. These days, just typing on a keyboards fucking hurts. Have to use an ergonomic split keyboard, and even then, still in pain if typing for way too fucking long. Often hitting keys too many times, misspell shit, or craft something that makes no sense at all when proof reading the shit. lol So yeah… maybe not the topic-churning 20-something one once was. Slower, older, slightly broken version who types like a drunken pirate half the fucking time, and still somehow manages to mostly craft shit with a pseudo-coherent narrative. But hey, if people want to view me as some grampa… "Then shit... some fucker’s gotta remind these young whippersnappers that thoughtful discussion used to exist before the internet became a highlight reel of bait, hot takes, and ADHD-driven brain farts". lol |
ColourWheelDec 14, 2:46 AM
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@Orororurando
The original title was "Is the anime community like the economy?".
Midway through writing it became "Is the anime community, like the economy, a zombie?".
Then I deciding omitting the economy part altogether.
The original title was "Is the anime community like the economy?".
Midway through writing it became "Is the anime community, like the economy, a zombie?".
Then I deciding omitting the economy part altogether.
| @thewiru The "economy=zombie" analogy still doesn't work, bud. If the point of it is that the economy is seemingly healthy and thriving while actually rotting internally (like the anime community, according to you), then I ask you again: do zombies as a concept generally seem healthy to you? Is their decay not immediately apparent on sight? Why omit "economy" from the title if you were gonna go hard on using it as a comparison for the entirety of your opening post anyway? Why not omit the word "zombie" instead, since it's kind of irrelevant to the actual topic? Your reasoning is all over the place, which is not uncommon for you, I know, but still... |
OrororurandoDec 14, 12:44 AM
| Time to double tap the community in the shining red eye. I feel myself it. Talking about anime feels like logging to comment on a porn site: I done the deed, and I am smiling happy. Why should I put any more effort in it given I am satisfied? I'll say the aspect of why anime community sucks now is that people consume anime, but they have little extra information. If you compare it with a (somewhat) researched youtuber video of 8 mins, it is not very informative. I can see some possibly interesting directions in talking about episode Subtext. Even the anime that people don't stop yapping can have something that someone may go through. . . It is weird that both veterans and newbies alike can write walls of text and most of it ends up without quality consumable information. What is actually open to discussion and has not had 10 thousands of threads. And could be interesting to talk about? Logically the thing that you get most value of the community talking about is not anime you watched, but reading about anime you didn't. Or getting into a fight of egos, wishful thinking and speculation (possibly very doomer about zombies, empires falling, and whatever else). Sincerely, anime making offs feels 1000% better than ever stepping AD. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LgHOUTZ8Gc&list=PLk6WqyhiIhR3YWAFIHa8kcFgicHteNVXb |
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