Attack on Titan
| What reiner did and what eren is about to do is not even comparable. Reiner isn't forgiven either. Fans sympathize with him because he has a lot of guilt from his actions. Reiner was also under the impression that all the people on Paradis are devils so he didn't know. Eren on the other hand knows what the outside world is like. |
| If there might be a war you can either fight that war or commit mass genocide almost all the world. If the US and China were at war do you think it would be even vaguely reasonable for the US to genocide all Chinese people in the world?? |
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ABISHEKuabishek said: nf58k said: now imagine if US had no other choice and if they didn't kill Chinese people then everyone from US will die then what will you expect them to do? You can't compare morden world with aot world. I know genocide isn't something you agree with but can you blame Eren here? He don't have any other choice. if he just destroyed allied forces of the world then the hatred won't be gone. Years later the rest of the world will devlop and again declare war. At one point the rest of the world will be soo devloped and powerful that even founding Titan can't destroy them. It's either kill or be killed. Only choice for Eren was to follow Zeke's plan which I too think is best but I guess no one will support his planIf there might be a war you can either fight that war or commit mass genocide almost all the world. If the US and China were at war do you think it would be even vaguely reasonable for the US to genocide all Chinese people in the world?? 100% correct. I'm not saying what eren's doing is good. but don't also think zeke's plan of making eldians sterille was the solution too. Cuz as you said the World had already declared War to them so.. the point is either paradis destroy the World or it gets destroyed. Being sterille won't end the hatred i think |
| Diplomacy could've done a lot for them. I mean that's what Tybur used to rile up the rest of the world against Paradis in the first place. Let me clear up my stance; I feel both Zeke and Eren's plans are impractical and ethically wrong. Genocide is genocide, and Eldians don't deserve to pitifully die out, unable to have children. The 50 year plan was the most appropriate and somewhat ethical course of action they could've taken, without causing much damage to either side. With the threat of the Rumbling looming, they could've delayed the attack on Paradis, and used exports of the precious Iceburst stone to win over allies. In the meantime, Paradis could've advanced their society. Now this plan isn't without demerits. There's a LOT actually. - DEATHS. Titan Powers will remain in the world until the end of Eldia. Historia, Eren, Armin, etc all get pitifully short lifespans and their Titans shall pass down to similar ill-fated people. A lot of loved characters dying isn't gonna please anyone. -THE QUEEN. Historia will be reduced to little more than Ymir V2. She's gonna be used as a baby factory and that's a big no-no from Eren and the rest of her waifu cult. -"GOOD ELDIANS". Marleyan Eldians are doomed. No other way to put it. If Paradis strengthens their technological standing, Marley isn't just gonna sit back. There will be endless experiments on Eldians and most of them will be used as Pure Titan resources. Worse than Holocaust victims in Hitler's camps if you ask me. Any Reiner fans can rest assured their boy's gonna get chomped up in 2 years tops. -WORLD WAR. Now unless there's a miracle, Marleyan Empire will not let all this unfold. This course is doomed to end with a world war. Marley is one of the biggest powers in the SnK world, and you honestly cannot convince me they'll sit back and let Paradis do their thing if pressured by the rest of the world. I have no idea how this'll end, but worse case scenario would be a full blown Titan War with some Wall Titans thrown in. Now war isn't without death. Casualities. Lots of them. For certain incels on this website, THIS is how the real world operates. Even Hitler didn't set out to kill everyone on the planet. Even he had diplomatic allies. Full Rumbling is NOT the solution. Environmental effects alone are gonna doom earth to a century at best. Anyone who supports Zeke's plan has missed the point of 3 seasons worth of storytelling. Eldians of the Walls are Innocent people who have nothing to do with the sins of their ancestors. If three seasons worth of build up wasn't enough to convince y'all they don't deserve dying out, idk what will. The final generations will pitifully die out with NO rations and service providers. In their final years, they will have absolutely no way to defend themselves against Marley AND the rest of the world. |
certifiedbingerFeb 10, 2022 8:51 AM
| Of course morally is not right to wipe out humanity outside Paradis. But he had to choose. Destroy the world, or let your people die. I don't think there were other options. The 50 year plan wouldn't work in my opinion, they would eventually attack them until all of the Eldians die. Choose your race, your family who did nothing wrong (ancestors sins are not valid ) or let the rest of the world wipe out your people. There is no right choice here, innocent people will die, no matter what. ”You can't hope for a horror story with a happy ending! Yeah, it's a cruel world out there.” |
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ABISHEKuabishek said: I don't understand why people think what Eren is doing completely wrong. The world has declared war on Paradis. Now they have come to the point where only Paradis will live or rest of the world. Reiner also did the same. Reiner don't want his family to be killed by marleyans so he chose to destroy the walls and kill 1000s of people inside walls to save his family. If people can forgive Reiner then why not Eren?? Because killing innocent civilian is a war crime |
certifiedbinger said: Its amazing how you guys think that they didn't try this already lol. And what Willy did was solely propaganda that had some truth in itDiplomacy could've done a lot for them. I mean that's what Tybur used to rile up the rest of the world against Paradis in the first place. Let me clear up my stance; I feel both Zeke and Eren's plans are impractical and ethically wrong. Genocide is genocide, and Eldians don't deserve to pitifully die out, unable to have children. The 50 year plan was the most appropriate and somewhat ethical course of action they could've taken, without causing much damage to either side. With the threat of the Rumbling looming, they could've delayed the attack on Paradis, and used exports of the precious Iceburst stone to win over allies. In the meantime, Paradis could've advanced their society. Now this plan isn't without demerits. There's a LOT actually. - DEATHS. Titan Powers will remain in the world until the end of Eldia. Historia, Eren, Armin, etc all get pitifully short lifespans and their Titans shall pass down to similar ill-fated people. A lot of loved characters dying isn't gonna please anyone. -THE QUEEN. Historia will be reduced to little more than Ymir V2. She's gonna be used as a baby factory and that's a big no-no from Eren and the rest of her waifu cult. -"GOOD ELDIANS". Marleyan Eldians are doomed. No other way to put it. If Paradis strengthens their technological standing, Marley isn't just gonna sit back. There will be endless experiments on Eldians and most of them will be used as Pure Titan resources. Worse than Holocaust victims in Hitler's camps if you ask me. Any Reiner fans can rest assured their boy's gonna get chomped up in 2 years tops. -WORLD WAR. Now unless there's a miracle, Marleyan Empire will not let all this unfold. This course is doomed to end with a world war. Marley is one of the biggest powers in the SnK world, and you honestly cannot convince me they'll sit back and let Paradis do their thing if pressured by the rest of the world. I have no idea how this'll end, but worse case scenario would be a full blown Titan War with some Wall Titans thrown in. Now war isn't without death. Casualities. Lots of them. For certain incels on this website, THIS is how the real world operates. Even Hitler didn't set out to kill everyone on the planet. Even he had diplomatic allies. Full Rumbling is NOT the solution. Environmental effects alone are gonna doom earth to a century at best. Anyone who supports Zeke's plan has missed the point of 3 seasons worth of storytelling. Eldians of the Walls are Innocent people who have nothing to do with the sins of their ancestors. If three seasons worth of build up wasn't enough to convince y'all they don't deserve dying out, idk what will. The final generations will pitifully die out with NO rations and service providers. In their final years, they will have absolutely no way to defend themselves against Marley AND the rest of the world. |
Poisonx2 said: If all of their enemies are gone, what cycle is he perpetuating lolABISHEKuabishek said: I don't understand why people think what Eren is doing completely wrong. The world has declared war on Paradis. Now they have come to the point where only Paradis will live or rest of the world. Reiner also did the same. Reiner don't want his family to be killed by marleyans so he chose to destroy the walls and kill 1000s of people inside walls to save his family. If people can forgive Reiner then why not Eren?? Your missing the point Isayama was trying to push. The point is that no one is justified in this scenario. Eren is making all the mistakes of his predecessors and his actions continue to reinforce the cycle of hatred. Erens a piece of shit. You can sympathize with his motivation but that doesnt justify his horrific actions |
Tokoya said: Its amazing how you guys think that they didn't try this already lol. And what Willy did was solely propaganda that had some truth in it I was referring to Tybur turning other nations against Paradis. World leaders aren't brainwashed. Potential conspiracy theories aren't enough to side the world with you. Marley's international relations played a huge role in that regard. That's the diplomacy I was talking about. Paradis is sitting on one of the world's most desired resources. Yet, not one of them was smart enough to actually use it as leverage. Hizuru basically had to spit it out for them. You say they tried their hand at diplomacy. What exactly did they do? What exactly were they planning to do? |
ABISHEKuabishek said: I don't understand why people think what Eren is doing completely wrong. The world has declared war on Paradis. Now they have come to the point where only Paradis will live or rest of the world. Reiner also did the same. Reiner don't want his family to be killed by marleyans so he chose to destroy the walls and kill 1000s of people inside walls to save his family. If people can forgive Reiner then why not Eren?? eren is destroying to world to let his people live. it's an understandable action, but it is clearly the most selfish possible choice he could make. what zeke was doing would not only stop the war, it would also do it without killing a single person. what eren is doing, is committing genecide, that ends the war only if he actually kills EVERYONE, which is basically impossible. |
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Sanark said: Simple. What he's doing is wrong cuz he's just not right in his head. Dude has all the power in the world and the only option he came up with is mass genocide. He just wants to kill people cuz that makes him feel good and thats the only thing he can do cuz he was born that way and he's always been that way. I don't always kick the hornet's nest repeatedly, but when i do it's the hornets that are wrong in the head. Very sound argument indeed. No matter what you think about Eren and the ethics of what he is doing, the world leaders are equally to blame, they knew about the rumbling but they jumped on Willy's "final solution to the Eldian problem" as fast as they could. |
DHaines1 said: simple and effective. excatly. Eren's motivations are not hard to understand, neither is it hard to understand that he is not doing neither the most righteous nor the most reasonably logic thing. It's just the result of his life circumstances indeed.The key to this whole discussion is framing. What Eren is doing IS right...from his perspective and taking into account his ideals and life experiences. There is no debate to be had as to whether what he's doing is morally righteous, because genocide is quite obviously the furthest thing from that. Eren is faced with the inevitability of the entire Eldian race, and in turn all of his friends and comrades on Paradis, being exterminated. Faced with the choice of "us versus them", he chooses his people and thus chooses to do whatever necessary to make sure they survive. The Rumbling was the only way in his mind, and that's his sole motivator for going through with it. |
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Sanark said: Eren is not only very right in his head - especially considering everything he has in his mind because of the Attack and Founding Titans inside him - but also he is no Light Yagami. He is not drunk on power, his motivation is not to kill people, but simply to get back the world he was striving for, and the complexity of the world and its grayness led him to simply wish for a reset.Simple. What he's doing is wrong cuz he's just not right in his head. Dude has all the power in the world and the only option he came up with is mass genocide. He just wants to kill people cuz that makes him feel good and thats the only thing he can do cuz he was born that way and he's always been that way. |
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certifiedbinger said: They more or less tried your suggestionTokoya said: Its amazing how you guys think that they didn't try this already lol. And what Willy did was solely propaganda that had some truth in it I was referring to Tybur turning other nations against Paradis. World leaders aren't brainwashed. Potential conspiracy theories aren't enough to side the world with you. Marley's international relations played a huge role in that regard. That's the diplomacy I was talking about. Paradis is sitting on one of the world's most desired resources. Yet, not one of them was smart enough to actually use it as leverage. Hizuru basically had to spit it out for them. You say they tried their hand at diplomacy. What exactly did they do? What exactly were they planning to do? |
certifiedbinger said: They wanted to try but unfortunately Hizuru blocked their path. his does mean that diplomacy is possible in AoT they just need time and for that eren does not have to go past killing the military and hence he does not plan on just killing military he is wrong.Tokoya said: Its amazing how you guys think that they didn't try this already lol. And what Willy did was solely propaganda that had some truth in it I was referring to Tybur turning other nations against Paradis. World leaders aren't brainwashed. Potential conspiracy theories aren't enough to side the world with you. Marley's international relations played a huge role in that regard. That's the diplomacy I was talking about. Paradis is sitting on one of the world's most desired resources. Yet, not one of them was smart enough to actually use it as leverage. Hizuru basically had to spit it out for them. You say they tried their hand at diplomacy. What exactly did they do? What exactly were they planning to do? |
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