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May 20, 2021 10:42 PM
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I don't want to flame anyone for liking Mushoku Tensei and I don't want to be flamed for not liking Mushoku Tensei, I just want people telling me what they like about this, so that maybe I can understand people who like this.

I despise Rudeus, he is a terrible character. But a bad mc can, in most cases, be compensated by good characters or a good story but all the other characters except three from which one is a side character we'll never see again are trash as well. And the story is just boring but fine, I guess. The only really good aspect is the art but that is not enough to make a show good if the rest is lacking.
But if you have reasons to like this show, I'd be more than glad to listen.

If this goes against the discusion rules, then I'm sorry. I did read them to make sure I can post this but I could have misunderstood something.
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May 20, 2021 10:59 PM
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According to me rudeus is one the of greatest mc I have ever seen in my 34 years of life.
What can I say, he is a scum his father is a bigger scum. They did stuff which if you do in real life you will get heavily reprimanded.
But the adventure of these scums and the romantic elements make this something very unique. Not to mention the moments when rudeus starts regretting his actions of his past and genuinely tries to improve himself,this part will come in second cour. Everybody deserve a second chance after all.
Since I am 34 and rudeus is 34 too, I just resonate with him. What more can I say.
Just drop it, don't waste your time.
May 20, 2021 11:05 PM
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Rudeus is not a bad character. People mistake a bad personality for a bad character. He is well written character with interesting development up to now. The characters in general feel real and nuanced. The world building has been a lot better than other popular isekai animes. Animation is good. I dont see any reason not to like it.
May 20, 2021 11:10 PM
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Whether Rudeus is a bad character or not, it is debateable. But one thing I love the most from this anime is that this has the perfect atmosphere an isekai should've been. It's so refreshing in a different way but at the same time it is also an isekai. Not talking about the current Level Max Slime Isekai, it's different. It has adventure, a real adventure, where a generic isekai is just about going in the town and getting some harem.
May 20, 2021 11:21 PM
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MT is what isekai is suppose to be. Its like the most generic isekai you can find but it’s able to pilot it so well. It doesn’t need any gimmick (aka smartphone, moms, revenge drama) it’s literally about starting a new life in an isekai and you are there to watch the full ride. Immersion is off the charts as the production value it great, music OST as well.
Rudy is the most controversial part simply because he’s a POS of what he did. But i was able to sit through Araragi from nisemonogatari so I can just stomach it.
May 20, 2021 11:33 PM
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RebelPandaSFan said:
According to me rudeus is one the of greatest mc I have ever seen in my 34 years of life.
What can I say, he is a scum his father is a bigger scum. They did stuff which if you do in real life you will get heavily reprimanded.
But the adventure of these scums and the romantic elements make this something very unique. Not to mention the moments when rudeus starts regretting his actions of his past and genuinely tries to improve himself,this part will come in second cour. Everybody deserve a second chance after all.
Since I am 34 and rudeus is 34 too, I just resonate with him. What more can I say.
Just drop it, don't waste your time.

If you say that he'll start regretting things he did in his previous life and tries to improve himself in the second cour, then I think, I'll give it a chance in the hopes that I will like it more but if you think that it won't change my opinion of him, then please tell me.

I do think that even if he's a well-written scumbag (I don't know if I want to agree to that but it's partly fitting, I guess), there should be other characters to compensate for him. Not only to make it easier to watch but also to give him an environment that encourages him to change as with his current environment, he's basically being rewarded for being a terrible person.

marcioma said:
Rudeus is not a bad character. People mistake a bad personality for a bad character. He is well written character with interesting development up to now. The characters in general feel real and nuanced. The world building has been a lot better than other popular isekai animes. Animation is good. I dont see any reason not to like it.

I do also think that he isn't really a well-written character (at least not as much as people make him out to be) but I guess everyone just perceives it differently. I do think that if he were written better, I maybe would've liked him more as that was the case in other anime.

I don't really think that the other characters feel real, for me they feel like their only reason to exist is to either help Rudeus get his harem or be in Rudeus' harem. But that could be because the first season was focussed on Rudeus' family, I don't know. But all the characters introduced by now weren't really interesting or well-written for me.

We haven't gotten to see much of the world, so I don't really think that aspect is great either, though it is better than in some other anime

And I acknowledged the art, it really is good.

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May 20, 2021 11:48 PM
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To me at least seeing characters like Naruto and Edward time and time again is quite boring even if you see those type of characters written in a good way you've already seen the same thing over and over that it doesn't make much of a difference so seeing different perspectives always piqued my intrest. A good example of a different perspective is Violet Evergarden and A silent voice where both the protagonists suffered from remorse of their own actions and not from some making them suffer.

And Mushoku Tensei is giving another different take with it's protagonist, and rudeus is absolute scum there is no other way to phrase it but what makes him an interesting character are his reasons he doesn't want to go back to his world, from high school itself he was bullied and treated as an outcast which led to him being a shut in and he doesn't change immediately to a good person just because he got transported to another world unlike most isekais he's still the scum he was in the real world just a new body and seeing him live his ilfe without regrets and seeing him try to become a better person is something a lot of people love to see.

But if you weren't able to handle the character of Rudeus then I can't blame you he did some pretty despicable things in the beginning.

If you're wondering why people love the story this much it's easy it's an extremely well built world with characters that seem human none of them are perfect and by today's standards most of them are scum but seeing a perfect human is just not relatable.
May 20, 2021 11:51 PM
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Playay said:
Whether Rudeus is a bad character or not, it is debateable. But one thing I love the most from this anime is that this has the perfect atmosphere an isekai should've been. It's so refreshing in a different way but at the same time it is also an isekai. Not talking about the current Level Max Slime Isekai, it's different. It has adventure, a real adventure, where a generic isekai is just about going in the town and getting some harem.

I mean, Mushoku Tensei is also focussed on getting a harem. Up until now, he has Eris and Sylphiette and he'll probably get more. The focus on adventure is not really there yet because the part where the adventure begins is only very short and at the end but I do think it's gonna focus more on that part in the next season, so I won't deny it's focus on adventure.
May 20, 2021 11:51 PM
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Emily71 said:
I despise Rudeus, he is a terrible character.


Rudeus is a bad person, not a bad character. Big distinction.

I personally think that character development is a bread and butter of every decent story.
You can't just take a flawless Mary Sue protagonist like Kirito, keep him constantly in the spotlight and expect people to enjoy it. It will get stale pretty quickly.

Rudeus in his previous life was less than zero.
He gets another chance in new world to start over, while keeping the heavy luggage of his many, severe flaws. Even him deciding not to assualt loli in her sleep can be sadly considered a progress. That's how long way ahead of him is.
Him overcoming his weaknesses over the course of the story is it's main selling point.
It happens slowly, but steadily and rumours say, that there are plans for adapting this whole.

Also, you have stellar visuals, phenomenal world building and rich and diverse cast of characters.
May 20, 2021 11:54 PM
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LustKamisama said:
MT is what isekai is suppose to be. Its like the most generic isekai you can find but it’s able to pilot it so well. It doesn’t need any gimmick (aka smartphone, moms, revenge drama) it’s literally about starting a new life in an isekai and you are there to watch the full ride. Immersion is off the charts as the production value it great, music OST as well.
Rudy is the most controversial part simply because he’s a POS of what he did. But i was able to sit through Araragi from nisemonogatari so I can just stomach it.

I guess, the starting a new life in an isekai aspect is done pretty alright, you're right. For me, it doesn't compensate the other aspects but if it does for you, then I'm happy for you.
May 20, 2021 11:55 PM
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Emily71 said:
RebelPandaSFan said:
According to me rudeus is one the of greatest mc I have ever seen in my 34 years of life.
What can I say, he is a scum his father is a bigger scum. They did stuff which if you do in real life you will get heavily reprimanded.
But the adventure of these scums and the romantic elements make this something very unique. Not to mention the moments when rudeus starts regretting his actions of his past and genuinely tries to improve himself,this part will come in second cour. Everybody deserve a second chance after all.
Since I am 34 and rudeus is 34 too, I just resonate with him. What more can I say.
Just drop it, don't waste your time.

If you say that he'll start regretting things he did in his previous life and tries to improve himself in the second cour, then I think, I'll give it a chance in the hopes that I will like it more but if you think that it won't change my opinion of him, then please tell me.

I do think that even if he's a well-written scumbag (I don't know if I want to agree to that but it's partly fitting, I guess), there should be other characters to compensate for him. Not only to make it easier to watch but also to give him an environment that encourages him to change as with his current environment, he's basically being rewarded for being a terrible person.

For the first part you have to see for yourself,
Small spoiler-the second cour is the part where he takes the first steps to becoming a better person. Always trying to do his best. You will be shocked in the novel every action he takes he speaks to himself " Let's do our best". This line has so much value.

For the second part, lol no he doesn't get rewarded yet. In fact he will be punished in such a brutal way towards the end, he will turn full on depressed.Anyone will feel pity for him. It's quite unique.
The second season is the part where he turns from his immature self to a slight reputed one. By the third season legit the n
Most people who hated this guy before will root for him,Lol he becomes so paranoid caring for his family and friends its something really realistic. it's such a slow and gradual change it's almost like drama tv series.

About his father well, he is the guy who suffers as much as rudy if not more.
If anything the scums don't get rewarded in the story, they earn the reward later
May 21, 2021 12:12 AM
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Rudeus is easily one of the greatest mc’s ever. His character development will be incredible. Also the story is top tier, the side characters are great and everything that happens in the show serves a purpose for later on. The foreshadowing and plot twists are incredible.
May 21, 2021 12:18 AM
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Because its the best generic harem isekai and its not even close
May 21, 2021 12:20 AM
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I liked it because I am an animation simp, although it was cringe sometimes seeing the things rudeus did.
Some things can only be achieved through animation.
May 21, 2021 12:26 AM
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Ok, currently Mushoku Tensei is one of my favourite anime and is 1/3 that sits on a 10 for my MAL list. I think the whole idea of the MC being in his mid 30s in a 10 yr Olds body Is something amazing and Mushoku Tensei has done this character justice. Compared to some of the MC we have seen in the past year or 2. Rudy is a really solid character. Even though he might get abit lustful every noun and then, you still have to remember that he is literally 40 and not 10.
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Animation is good so people who like that will probably enjoy MT, there are also cute waifus, but the ugly bastard and NTR can be offputting(Unless you like those stuff, if so then I'm not gonna judge you for it)
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May 21, 2021 12:50 AM
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this show is great and the cast also but i jus dont like rudues the mc maybe its jus becuz of his past life self is jus way too bad of a person
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Emily71 said:
I don't want to flame anyone for liking Mushoku Tensei and I don't want to be flamed for not liking Mushoku Tensei, I just want people telling me what they like about this, so that maybe I can understand people who like this.

I despise Rudeus, he is a terrible character. But a bad mc can, in most cases, be compensated by good characters or a good story but all the other characters except three from which one is a side character we'll never see again are trash as well. And the story is just boring but fine, I guess. The only really good aspect is the art but that is not enough to make a show good if the rest is lacking.
But if you have reasons to like this show, I'd be more than glad to listen.

If this goes against the discusion rules, then I'm sorry. I did read them to make sure I can post this but I could have misunderstood something.
looked wont judge you since you only watch the anime but whether you can judge rudeus is a good character or not still too early for you since there are only 11 ep, wait until october and see for yourself and i wouldnt said that this is a harem anime yet since the harem part is built very slowly and only play the part of their relationship not the focus of the story. also dont worry about some side character that you may or may not like since you wont seeing them for the rest of the story.
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For me the part 1 of MT season 1 started really good but I felt disappointed by last 2-3 episodes.

It felt really boring in those episodes. (Maybe because I hate those kind of forming a Guild and those competitions for hunting monsters)

But I have heard the story gets really good in future so I will give it a chance.

But right now if you ask me what is the best isekai for me, I will undoubtedly say it is Re:zero.
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Mugen_Kreiss said:
To me at least seeing characters like Naruto and Edward time and time again is quite boring even if you see those type of characters written in a good way you've already seen the same thing over and over that it doesn't make much of a difference so seeing different perspectives always piqued my intrest. A good example of a different perspective is Violet Evergarden and A silent voice where both the protagonists suffered from remorse of their own actions and not from some making them suffer.

And Mushoku Tensei is giving another different take with it's protagonist, and rudeus is absolute scum there is no other way to phrase it but what makes him an interesting character are his reasons he doesn't want to go back to his world, from high school itself he was bullied and treated as an outcast which led to him being a shut in and he doesn't change immediately to a good person just because he got transported to another world unlike most isekais he's still the scum he was in the real world just a new body and seeing him live his ilfe without regrets and seeing him try to become a better person is something a lot of people love to see.

But if you weren't able to handle the character of Rudeus then I can't blame you he did some pretty despicable things in the beginning.

If you're wondering why people love the story this much it's easy it's an extremely well built world with characters that seem human none of them are perfect and by today's standards most of them are scum but seeing a perfect human is just not relatable.

I don't like perfect characters either, by all means, I love imperfect characters. The thing about imperfect characters is just that they need a compensation. A cast full of terrible humans is just not enjoyable, they need a few good characters or at least a few good character traits to compensate which isn't really the case with Mushoku Tensei for me.
But I guess, it's a bit interesting why he doesn't want to go back to his old world, so I'll agree to that aspect.

Piromysl said:
Emily71 said:
I despise Rudeus, he is a terrible character.


Rudeus is a bad person, not a bad character. Big distinction.

I personally think that character development is a bread and butter of every decent story.
You can't just take a flawless Mary Sue protagonist like Kirito, keep him constantly in the spotlight and expect people to enjoy it. It will get stale pretty quickly.

Rudeus in his previous life was less than zero.
He gets another chance in new world to start over, while keeping the heavy luggage of his many, severe flaws. Even him deciding not to assualt loli in her sleep can be sadly considered a progress. That's how long way ahead of him is.
Him overcoming his weaknesses over the course of the story is it's main selling point.
It happens slowly, but steadily and rumours say, that there are plans for adapting this whole.

Also, you have stellar visuals, phenomenal world building and rich and diverse cast of characters.

I have to admit that I've worded that quite bad as I actually did mean that he is bad as a person. I do also think that he isn't written paprticularly well but he's better than some other characters in that aspect.
I don't want a perfect character but a balance between good and bad. If an anime has a mc who is a terrible person then that should be compensated by the other characters which isn't the case for Mushoku Tensei, in my opinion.
And I guess him not assaulting a sleeping child is development for him but I want more than that which as I have been informed will actually happen soon.

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the point of his character is that he is a horrible person trying to be better. a mc being a good person doesnt make him a good character.
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RebelPandaSFan said:
Emily71 said:

If you say that he'll start regretting things he did in his previous life and tries to improve himself in the second cour, then I think, I'll give it a chance in the hopes that I will like it more but if you think that it won't change my opinion of him, then please tell me.

I do think that even if he's a well-written scumbag (I don't know if I want to agree to that but it's partly fitting, I guess), there should be other characters to compensate for him. Not only to make it easier to watch but also to give him an environment that encourages him to change as with his current environment, he's basically being rewarded for being a terrible person.

For the first part you have to see for yourself,
Small spoiler-the second cour is the part where he takes the first steps to becoming a better person. Always trying to do his best. You will be shocked in the novel every action he takes he speaks to himself " Let's do our best". This line has so much value.

For the second part, lol no he doesn't get rewarded yet. In fact he will be punished in such a brutal way towards the end, he will turn full on depressed.Anyone will feel pity for him. It's quite unique.
The second season is the part where he turns from his immature self to a slight reputed one. By the third season legit the n
Most people who hated this guy before will root for him,Lol he becomes so paranoid caring for his family and friends its something really realistic. it's such a slow and gradual change it's almost like drama tv series.

About his father well, he is the guy who suffers as much as rudy if not more.
If anything the scums don't get rewarded in the story, they earn the reward later

It did feel like he was constantly rewarded. Pretty much everyone around him likes him and wants the best for him. He literally has two girls who like him. His whole family as well, they live a pretty good like even though they're all scumbags. But if he does change soon, then I'll keep watching it.
And thanks, what you said actually made me look forward to the next season, lol.
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I'll actually use a different Isekai to explain my newfound love of Mushoku Tensai; Re:Zero.

Natsuki Subaru is a flawed character, a lazy do-nothing in his former life who at first only imitates what a heroic, morally perfect person would do because that's his ideal fantasy for himself. He can be cringe at times, but when you see him realize the very real effect his actions have on the people around him, he actually becomes a hero. His trial and error attempts become real noble acts instead of desperate bids for self validation, simply because he learns to put the people he loves first and their love and acceptance teaches him the value of self worth. And his triumphs are made all the more satisfying by his struggles.

Rudy is still a kid, and the story of MT spans his entire life. While he may have retained the experiences of a grown man, his social interactions were limited and overwhelmingly negative in his previous life and his emotional maturity is stunted, like Subaru's. It's only been briefly touched on in a few episodes so far, but moments like his immediate regret for being sleazy with Eric on his B-Day or the incident with the other adventurers in Ep11, are baby steps towards his emotional growth. Rudy realizing the inner disgust and self hatred he felt upon knowing he was unintentionally using the people around him felt better with just quiet reflection instead of a epiphany/monologue.

And finally, my inner escapist fanboy can't help but imagine such a fantastical world where mistakes are forgiven instead of being used as weapons against you your entire life and the drive to do things better tomorrow than you left them in your previous life.

Looking forward to cour 2 in the Fall and hopefully season 2 & 3 not far behind!
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the point of his character is that he is a horrible person trying to be better. a mc being a good person doesnt make him a good character.

But the MC being a horrible person also doesn't make a good character
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Emily71 said:
Piromysl said:


Rudeus is a bad person, not a bad character. Big distinction.

I personally think that character development is a bread and butter of every decent story.
You can't just take a flawless Mary Sue protagonist like Kirito, keep him constantly in the spotlight and expect people to enjoy it. It will get stale pretty quickly.

Rudeus in his previous life was less than zero.
He gets another chance in new world to start over, while keeping the heavy luggage of his many, severe flaws. Even him deciding not to assualt loli in her sleep can be sadly considered a progress. That's how long way ahead of him is.
Him overcoming his weaknesses over the course of the story is it's main selling point.
It happens slowly, but steadily and rumours say, that there are plans for adapting this whole.

Also, you have stellar visuals, phenomenal world building and rich and diverse cast of characters.

I have to admit that I've worded that quite bad as I actually did mean that he is bad as a person. I do also think that he isn't written paprticularly well but he's better than some other characters in that aspect.
I don't want a perfect character but a balance between good and bad. If an anime has a mc who is a terrible person then that should be compensated by the other characters which isn't the case for Mushoku Tensei, in my opinion.
And I guess him not assaulting a sleeping child is development for him but I want more than that which as I have been informed will actually happen soon.

What do you mean by a balance between good and bad?
People are not 100% good or bad, you'll never find what you want thinking like that, every character so far did both good and bad things, the Paul who cheated on his wife is the same Paul who formed a rescue team for the victims of the Displacement Incident, the Rudeus who's a disgusting degenerate is the same Rudeus who freed Sylphie from a life of ostracization, the Same Ruijerd who cares so much about protecting these two lost kids out of kindness of his heart is the same Ruijerd who killed his wife and son.
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Emily71 said:
Piromysl said:


Rudeus is a bad person, not a bad character. Big distinction.

I personally think that character development is a bread and butter of every decent story.
You can't just take a flawless Mary Sue protagonist like Kirito, keep him constantly in the spotlight and expect people to enjoy it. It will get stale pretty quickly.

Rudeus in his previous life was less than zero.
He gets another chance in new world to start over, while keeping the heavy luggage of his many, severe flaws. Even him deciding not to assualt loli in her sleep can be sadly considered a progress. That's how long way ahead of him is.
Him overcoming his weaknesses over the course of the story is it's main selling point.
It happens slowly, but steadily and rumours say, that there are plans for adapting this whole.

Also, you have stellar visuals, phenomenal world building and rich and diverse cast of characters.

I have to admit that I've worded that quite bad as I actually did mean that he is bad as a person. I do also think that he isn't written paprticularly well but he's better than some other characters in that aspect.
I don't want a perfect character but a balance between good and bad. If an anime has a mc who is a terrible person then that should be compensated by the other characters which isn't the case for Mushoku Tensei, in my opinion.
And I guess him not assaulting a sleeping child is development for him but I want more than that which as I have been informed will actually happen soon.


Keep in mind, that what we have seen in those 11 episodes we had so far, is just a tiny miniscule portion of the story. Barely even a prologue.
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I Don't Like it But I Love It😍
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Read the novel and you will understand why
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I completely see where you're coming from. I absolutely hate redues as a person aswell but as a character I find him fascinating because he's framed as complete asshole which you don't really at all in isekai as the mcs are mostly Gary stews right? And I kinda love that the same way I love a character like BoJack Horseman. It also shows the amount of development Redeus has to make in the series, which you can verrrrry slowly see take place. Other than Redues tho the world, tone and other characters where what really stood out to me. This world although an isekai is kind of fucked when it comes to things like how it treats women and the blatant sexism seen later but at the same time has things like magic and all that other isekai stuff which is really cool because now you've thrown this flawed character into and even more flawed world. Eris and roxy are really cool and they introduce more cool characters later on tho I ain't gonna spoil just in case. Finally I love how linear it is. Most isekai that I absolutely have some sort of gimmick, right? Rezero had return by death, konosuba was essentially an isekai sitcom but mushoku just feels like a good old fashioned adventure story which is kind of what the genre needed right now since I can't really think of any that follow this linear path since they're mostly power fantasise. So ye I'd say stick with it. Sorry if this got a bit lol eheh
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Gilgameshuu said:
ChireaI9 said:
the point of his character is that he is a horrible person trying to be better. a mc being a good person doesnt make him a good character.

But the MC being a horrible person also doesn't make a good character
I think you avoided the “trying to be better” part.
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I dont want to be rude but @emily71 why exactly do you need a reason to like something? It wont change your perspective on the dislike of this show?
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Rudeus is easily one of the greatest mc’s ever. His character development will be incredible. Also the story is top tier, the side characters are great and everything that happens in the show serves a purpose for later on. The foreshadowing and plot twists are incredible.

As of now, I didn't like the other characters but I will look forward to the coming seasons in hopes that Rudeus will develop. Thank you for your answer.

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I liked it because I am an animation simp, although it was cringe sometimes seeing the things rudeus did.

I do have to agree on the animation, it really is good. For me, it isn't enough to make a show good but I am glad for you that you like it because of that.

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Animation is good so people who like that will probably enjoy MT, there are also cute waifus, but the ugly bastard and NTR can be offputting(Unless you like those stuff, if so then I'm not gonna judge you for it)

The animation and character designs are probably the best aspects of the anime, the rest is lacking for me but it's fine if you like it, I'm glad for you.

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Emily71 said:
I don't want to flame anyone for liking Mushoku Tensei and I don't want to be flamed for not liking Mushoku Tensei, I just want people telling me what they like about this, so that maybe I can understand people who like this.

I despise Rudeus, he is a terrible character. But a bad mc can, in most cases, be compensated by good characters or a good story but all the other characters except three from which one is a side character we'll never see again are trash as well. And the story is just boring but fine, I guess. The only really good aspect is the art but that is not enough to make a show good if the rest is lacking.
But if you have reasons to like this show, I'd be more than glad to listen.

If this goes against the discusion rules, then I'm sorry. I did read them to make sure I can post this but I could have misunderstood something.
looked wont judge you since you only watch the anime but whether you can judge rudeus is a good character or not still too early for you since there are only 11 ep, wait until october and see for yourself and i wouldnt said that this is a harem anime yet since the harem part is built very slowly and only play the part of their relationship not the focus of the story. also dont worry about some side character that you may or may not like since you wont seeing them for the rest of the story.

Well, as the first season has ended, I do think that I have the right to judge the characters. They can get better in the following seasons but as of now, that's my opinion.
And I agree that it's not a harem anime yet but it does focus on the harem aspect.
But I'm glad that some side characters won't be there for quite a while as a lot of them really got on my nerves, lol.

LukeLippo said:
Ok, currently Mushoku Tensei is one of my favourite anime and is 1/3 that sits on a 10 for my MAL list. I think the whole idea of the MC being in his mid 30s in a 10 yr Olds body Is something amazing and Mushoku Tensei has done this character justice. Compared to some of the MC we have seen in the past year or 2. Rudy is a really solid character. Even though he might get abit lustful every noun and then, you still have to remember that he is literally 40 and not 10.

I mean, that does sound interesting though the bigger aspect is starting a new life and trying to get better which hasn't happened yet. But I guess the aspect of being in a different body was adapted pretty well as he is still the scumbag that he was before.
And honestly, remembering that he is about 40 only makes it worse when he thinks about raping a child though that is not my main problem.

Anucolo said:
For me the part 1 of MT season 1 started really good but I felt disappointed by last 2-3 episodes.

It felt really boring in those episodes. (Maybe because I hate those kind of forming a Guild and those competitions for hunting monsters)

But I have heard the story gets really good in future so I will give it a chance.

But right now if you ask me what is the best isekai for me, I will undoubtedly say it is Re:zero.

I didn't really like the first part either but the last 2-3 episodes were pretty boring, I do agree with that. And as I heard that the story really gets good, I'll give it a chance as well.

I also agree on Re: Zero being the best isekai atm.

ChireaI9 said:
the point of his character is that he is a horrible person trying to be better. a mc being a good person doesnt make him a good character.

A mc being a bad person doesn't make him a good character either. It's important how that character is written and if they develop. For me, Rudeus isn't written particularly well but at least better than some other mcs and he hasn't developed yet. Maybe he will in the future but he hasn't even thought of it yet, so as of now, he isn't a good character for me.

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I love Eris - She's so Dere' its untrue.

Yes Rudy is a pervert and some of his behaviour and thoughts are indefensible - but that's the character design, start with a scumbag lock-in, hopeless looser borderline Pedo character, give him a chance to do better and watch him change due to the environment, the people around him and his determination to do his best (even if he still wants panties and to grope oppai).

And Yes the part of the world we've seen so far is a hotbed of bestiality and incest (the whole Greyrat family have high sex-drives). The sexually charged environment doesn't change throughout the entire LN, in fact some royal houses are portrayed as being worse - so it's a perfect world for a reincarnated pervert to be brought into.

There are some great characters in the LN, some have already been introduced and will develop and grow, others will be killed ruthlessly.

Why I like the show - it's not your typical Isekai power-trip, harem etc, etc. it's gritty and flawed, it's characters are flawed but not in the typical dense MC/ protag way, they have believable flaws, Rudy was a pervert, he was reborn a pervert, he'll die a pervert - but he'll achieve more than he could think was possible and affect more people than he thought possible and it all started because Roxy was able to break his lock-in syndrome and he protected Silphy from bullies that had made his previous life so miserable..
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I honestly just think it's funny to watch. I don't take it seriously either because its a stupid isekai, but it does shit all over Re:zero in the first 2-3 episodes you learn more about the world than you do in the first season of Re:zero.
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I actually like how they made Rudeus into a degenerate and flawed mc. The reason why I like it, it's because he is a degenerate and a flawed character before he got isekai'd.

Most modern isekai right doesn't really give importance to the character's life and personality before they got transported. Most isekai right just give a hasty introduction to the mc and how he got transported and that's that,they just focus on the other world. Jobless Reincarnation gives importance to the personality, character, and life of the mc before he got transported to the other world.

It would be bad if Rudeus suddenly became a Saint when he got reincarnated in the other world. The focus here is that Rudeus is trying his best to improve his new life.

Yes he is a degenerate and yes he is flawed, but that's just how it is. It's hard to change areas in your life instantly, improvement is a long-process filled with challenges and upbringings. That's the reason why I like Jobless Reincarnation. It stand out from all the generic isekais that we consume in this age. It's realistic. It's an adventure.
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Im not speaking for anyone else, I am speaking for myself.

What you said about Rudeus being a shit character is true. But I don't like to judge characters based off one season in a multiple season anime. Keep in mind, the worst a MC is morally, the higher chance of better development, then lets say someone who his already morally good.

As for the story itself. I don't know. Its just really entertaining to watch the adventure, character interactions, and just knowing in the back of my head that Rudeus is literally in a life simulator.

I also just really love isekai, so like I said before, getting to watch an isekai that has someone be born, and turn into an adult, from the beginning is really exciting for me. Some may say, "Oh BuT sPidER iSeKAi DidD THat." The difference is, the spiders aren't human, and the humans aren't shown being born, and becoming teens.

Anyways thats why I enjoy the anime. Just know, reading reviews that say "AnYoNE wHo EnJOYs ThIs IS eITher a DuMb Ass Or A PedOpHiLe" Even though there is much more to the story other than Rudeus groping children, which the "saints" seem to watch out for. Reading those reviews are probably a bad idea for anyone who enjoys the anime, or anyone who dislikes the anime. Because 1. People who like it might cause a war, and 2. People who dislike it will use it as an excuse to shit on people for having an opinion.

Anyways, enough ranting.
I gave up on character of the week since it takes too much thinking. I'll just change my forum pfp to whoever I want every week lol.
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I spoiled myself a bit to verify my suspicions, and here's what I got (no major spoilers):
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Because it's good👍 and it have really good story,world building and horney humans🙃
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I'll actually use a different Isekai to explain my newfound love of Mushoku Tensai; Re:Zero.

Natsuki Subaru is a flawed character, a lazy do-nothing in his former life who at first only imitates what a heroic, morally perfect person would do because that's his ideal fantasy for himself. He can be cringe at times, but when you see him realize the very real effect his actions have on the people around him, he actually becomes a hero. His trial and error attempts become real noble acts instead of desperate bids for self validation, simply because he learns to put the people he loves first and their love and acceptance teaches him the value of self worth. And his triumphs are made all the more satisfying by his struggles.

Rudy is still a kid, and the story of MT spans his entire life. While he may have retained the experiences of a grown man, his social interactions were limited and overwhelmingly negative in his previous life and his emotional maturity is stunted, like Subaru's. It's only been briefly touched on in a few episodes so far, but moments like his immediate regret for being sleazy with Eric on his B-Day or the incident with the other adventurers in Ep11, are baby steps towards his emotional growth. Rudy realizing the inner disgust and self hatred he felt upon knowing he was unintentionally using the people around him felt better with just quiet reflection instead of a epiphany/monologue.

And finally, my inner escapist fanboy can't help but imagine such a fantastical world where mistakes are forgiven instead of being used as weapons against you your entire life and the drive to do things better tomorrow than you left them in your previous life.

Looking forward to cour 2 in the Fall and hopefully season 2 & 3 not far behind!

There are major differenced between Re: Zero and Mushoku Tensei which made it possible for me to enjoy Re: Zero but not Mushoku Tensei.

In Re: Zero, Subaru isn't as unlikeable (not being a literal piece of garbage) but that's not all. I do think what made the first season of Re: Zero more likeable was that Subaru wasn't rewarded for being as flawed as he is. He did kinda help Emilia for which he was rewarded but every time, he does something selfish and stupid, people aren't rewarding him for that. Rudeus is a complete degenerate and there are already two girls who are probably in love with him. Also, in Re: Zero, most of the characters around Subaru were at least likeable even with all their flaws while in Mushoku Tensei there are only three really likeable characters which we probably won't see soon. Also, I do think it would've been better if the season had been longer. And even if this is only one cour and another will come soon, it still would've been better as I as a person who wants to have a clean dropped list and watches anime until the end of the season could have at least noticed some improvements as there'd been more time to implement those which maybe would've made me want to give the second season a try. But until now, there hasn't been any major improvement (even if he felt guilt for using these guys, he got over it pretty quickly).

I will watch the next cour though, to give this show a second chance. But up until now, it is way less enjoyable than the first season of Re: Zero which you compared it to.
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The anime is kinda wrong and I dropped it since I was uncomfy but I know it's not all that so it's okay if you like it
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RebelPandaSFan said:
According to me rudeus is one the of greatest mc I have ever seen in my 34 years of life.
What can I say, he is a scum his father is a bigger scum. They did stuff which if you do in real life you will get heavily reprimanded.
But the adventure of these scums and the romantic elements make this something very unique. Not to mention the moments when rudeus starts regretting his actions of his past and genuinely tries to improve himself,this part will come in second cour. Everybody deserve a second chance after all.
Since I am 34 and rudeus is 34 too, I just resonate with him. What more can I say.
Just drop it, don't waste your time.
holy shit, i like mushoku tensei but Rudeus is just another isekai perverted MC, he’s a good character and he’s funny but he’s no where near special
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Rudeus is not a bad character. People mistake a bad personality for a bad character. He is well written character with interesting development up to now. The characters in general feel real and nuanced. The world building has been a lot better than other popular isekai animes. Animation is good. I dont see any reason not to like it.

I couldn't agree more with this. Rudeus may seem like a disgusting character with fetishes for a 7 year old. But compared to other isekai protagonists, He ain't a super human or a Catastrophe after being reincarnated into this new world. He lives a kind of normal life with his lowly noble family and has to progress by training like any other person in that world to strengthen himself. He has feelings for people he encounter in this life and has a strong motive to right his life in this 2nd chance. Overall, i admire the character building for Rudeus as a protagonist and also Eris and Sylphy as deuteragonists.
Also, the story only has begun. when compared with light novel, it has covered around 2½ to 3 volumes out of 24 volumes. So, there is a long way to go until the real story begins.
My opinion is, if you feel this anime is not worth watching, you better drop it at this instance and start some other worth watching anime. I mean there are tons of anime, worth watching.
Happy binging
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The author said in an interview that Rudeus will always be a pervert so I'm curious how he "grows and becomes a better person". Or is it just that he stops sexually assaulting young girls? I guess he wouldn't need to do that anymore if he's married to them.
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Emily71 said:

I have to admit that I've worded that quite bad as I actually did mean that he is bad as a person. I do also think that he isn't written paprticularly well but he's better than some other characters in that aspect.
I don't want a perfect character but a balance between good and bad. If an anime has a mc who is a terrible person then that should be compensated by the other characters which isn't the case for Mushoku Tensei, in my opinion.
And I guess him not assaulting a sleeping child is development for him but I want more than that which as I have been informed will actually happen soon.

What do you mean by a balance between good and bad?
People are not 100% good or bad, you'll never find what you want thinking like that, every character so far did both good and bad things, the Paul who cheated on his wife is the same Paul who formed a rescue team for the victims of the Displacement Incident, the Rudeus who's a disgusting degenerate is the same Rudeus who freed Sylphie from a life of ostracization, the Same Ruijerd who cares so much about protecting these two lost kids out of kindness of his heart is the same Ruijerd who killed his wife and son.

I'm not searching for people who are 100% good or bad, I'm searching for people with noticable good and bad character traits. Rudeus did save Sylphie from bullying but his bad character traits far outweigh that. That's fine as well, people aren't perfectly balanced but if the whole cast has bad character traits that outweigh their good traits, then that's not balanced. That's the case for most of the characters, there are a few exceptions but these characters won't be seen in the future, so there's only Rujierd left and one character isn't enough to compensate for the trainwreck that Eris and Rudeus are, making the show rather unenjoyable.

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Emily71 said:

I have to admit that I've worded that quite bad as I actually did mean that he is bad as a person. I do also think that he isn't written paprticularly well but he's better than some other characters in that aspect.
I don't want a perfect character but a balance between good and bad. If an anime has a mc who is a terrible person then that should be compensated by the other characters which isn't the case for Mushoku Tensei, in my opinion.
And I guess him not assaulting a sleeping child is development for him but I want more than that which as I have been informed will actually happen soon.


Keep in mind, that what we have seen in those 11 we had so far, us just a tiny miniscule portion of the story. Barely even a prologue.

I know that but still, I do think that I have the right to judge the first cour as it has been released like this. If it were longer, maybe they would've fit a bit of development for Rudeus but they chose not to make it longer. I'm only judging this cour though. If the next one gets better then that won't affect my opinion on this one.

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Emily71 said:
Piromysl said:


Keep in mind, that what we have seen in those 11 we had so far, us just a tiny miniscule portion of the story. Barely even a prologue.

I know that but still, I do think that I have the right to judge the first cour as it has been released like this. If it were longer, maybe they would've fit a bit of development for Rudeus but they chose not to make it longer. I'm only judging this cour though. If the next one gets better then that won't affect my opinion on this one.


Just wait for more content.

I had the exact same feeling with Rinmaru from Tensura
Honestly, in 1st season he was so flawless and perfect, it made him boring.
2nd season changes that 180*.

If you gonna give it a chance, you will not regret it.
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I completely see where you're coming from. I absolutely hate redues as a person aswell but as a character I find him fascinating because he's framed as complete asshole which you don't really at all in isekai as the mcs are mostly Gary stews right? And I kinda love that the same way I love a character like BoJack Horseman. It also shows the amount of development Redeus has to make in the series, which you can verrrrry slowly see take place. Other than Redues tho the world, tone and other characters where what really stood out to me. This world although an isekai is kind of fucked when it comes to things like how it treats women and the blatant sexism seen later but at the same time has things like magic and all that other isekai stuff which is really cool because now you've thrown this flawed character into and even more flawed world. Eris and roxy are really cool and they introduce more cool characters later on tho I ain't gonna spoil just in case. Finally I love how linear it is. Most isekai that I absolutely have some sort of gimmick, right? Rezero had return by death, konosuba was essentially an isekai sitcom but mushoku just feels like a good old fashioned adventure story which is kind of what the genre needed right now since I can't really think of any that follow this linear path since they're mostly power fantasise. So ye I'd say stick with it. Sorry if this got a bit lol eheh

He isn't framed as a complete asshole, he is a complete asshole lol.
Yea, most anime have a perfect/bland mc but having a flawed one doesn't make it better. I admit that it was interesting at first, though. I don't think the fact that everyone else in the new world is also a scumbag makes the anime better. As Mushoku Tensei is a redemtion anime, I don't really like that his environment is almost as toxic as him (for changing it's needed to have an environment encouraging you to change. If everyone just falls in love with you for being a scumbag, you wouldn't change because you'd have no reason to. Though if he's gonna change, I hope it's by his environment not accepting him being a scumbag but and him regretting his actions because of that and not just because he randomly wants to even though he gets everything he wants while being a scumbag).

Now, Roxy actually is one of the three characters I actually kinda like but Eris is just annoying being the aggressive, annoying child that she it. But if there'll be actually good characters, then it'll be far more enjoyable.

Now, I guess the linearity is alright, I honestly don't care if an anime has a little gimmick or not.

But I will watch the second cour as you and a few other people told me that it'l get better, so thank you for that.

Joseph_Joestaar said:
I dont want to be rude but @emily71 why exactly do you need a reason to like something? It wont change your perspective on the dislike of this show?

I haven't created this thread to change my perspective on the show. I want to understand people who like Mushoku Tensei and I wanted to know if watching the next cour would be worth it (which it does seem like, according to some responses).

penrhos said:
I love Eris - She's so Dere' its untrue.

Yes Rudy is a pervert and some of his behaviour and thoughts are indefensible - but that's the character design, start with a scumbag lock-in, hopeless looser borderline Pedo character, give him a chance to do better and watch him change due to the environment, the people around him and his determination to do his best (even if he still wants panties and to grope oppai).

And Yes the part of the world we've seen so far is a hotbed of bestiality and incest (the whole Greyrat family have high sex-drives). The sexually charged environment doesn't change throughout the entire LN, in fact some royal houses are portrayed as being worse - so it's a perfect world for a reincarnated pervert to be brought into.

There are some great characters in the LN, some have already been introduced and will develop and grow, others will be killed ruthlessly.

Why I like the show - it's not your typical Isekai power-trip, harem etc, etc. it's gritty and flawed, it's characters are flawed but not in the typical dense MC/ protag way, they have believable flaws, Rudy was a pervert, he was reborn a pervert, he'll die a pervert - but he'll achieve more than he could think was possible and affect more people than he thought possible and it all started because Roxy was able to break his lock-in syndrome and he protected Silphy from bullies that had made his previous life so miserable..

I don't understand your opinion on Eris but it's alright, I'm glad for you that you like Eris even if I can't.

Now, I do have to correct you, not some of his behaviour and thoughts are indefendable, pretty much all of them are. And I know, this show is about him getting better but I don't see how he'll get better as he is getting rewarded for being a scumbag. Though people told me that he will get what he deserves, so I'm looking forward to that.

And if his environment keeps being almost as bad or even worse than Rudeus, I don't see why he should change as people only reward him for being a scumbag (at least up until now) but I did hear that he'll develop, so I just hope that his development is written well.

To the last part, I guess that's fair but I haven't read the novel, so I don't know what. He did get over part of his previous trauma but he didn't really change yet.

NagitoxHope said:
I honestly just think it's funny to watch. I don't take it seriously either because its a stupid isekai, but it does shit all over Re:zero in the first 2-3 episodes you learn more about the world than you do in the first season of Re:zero.

I don't think that it has better world building than Re: Zero and I do think that Re: Zero is better in every aspect but I'm not here to compare anime.

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I don't want to flame anyone for liking Mushoku Tensei and I don't want to be flamed for not liking Mushoku Tensei, I just want people telling me what they like about this, so that maybe I can understand people who like this.

I despise Rudeus, he is a terrible character. But a bad mc can, in most cases, be compensated by good characters or a good story but all the other characters except three from which one is a side character we'll never see again are trash as well. And the story is just boring but fine, I guess. The only really good aspect is the art but that is not enough to make a show good if the rest is lacking.
But if you have reasons to like this show, I'd be more than glad to listen.

If this goes against the discusion rules, then I'm sorry. I did read them to make sure I can post this but I could have misunderstood something.


Rudeus is the opposite of a bad character. He's a bad person. He's done bad things. That doesn't make him a bad character. In fact, it's the opposite, because obviously he's not going to change with a single episode, or even two.
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Emily71 said:
I don't want to flame anyone for liking Mushoku Tensei and I don't want to be flamed for not liking Mushoku Tensei, I just want people telling me what they like about this, so that maybe I can understand people who like this.

I despise Rudeus, he is a terrible character. But a bad mc can, in most cases, be compensated by good characters or a good story but all the other characters except three from which one is a side character we'll never see again are trash as well. And the story is just boring but fine, I guess. The only really good aspect is the art but that is not enough to make a show good if the rest is lacking.
But if you have reasons to like this show, I'd be more than glad to listen.

If this goes against the discusion rules, then I'm sorry. I did read them to make sure I can post this but I could have misunderstood something.

you kinda are misunderstanding something, its true rudeus is sum, but throughout the story hes gonna learn and understand and develop into a amazing mc. this is basically his redemption arc, its okay if you dont like it though
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I actually like how they made Rudeus into a degenerate and flawed mc. The reason why I like it, it's because he is a degenerate and a flawed character before he got isekai'd.

Most modern isekai right doesn't really give importance to the character's life and personality before they got transported. Most isekai right just give a hasty introduction to the mc and how he got transported and that's that,they just focus on the other world. Jobless Reincarnation gives importance to the personality, character, and life of the mc before he got transported to the other world.

It would be bad if Rudeus suddenly became a Saint when he got reincarnated in the other world. The focus here is that Rudeus is trying his best to improve his new life.

Yes he is a degenerate and yes he is flawed, but that's just how it is. It's hard to change areas in your life instantly, improvement is a long-process filled with challenges and upbringings. That's the reason why I like Jobless Reincarnation. It stand out from all the generic isekais that we consume in this age. It's realistic. It's an adventure.

I don't have anything against Rudeus being a scumbag as long as the other characters can compensate which they don't.

I guess there aren't a lot of isekais which really dive into the past of the mc but I don't think that that's necessarily bad. It is interesting that that's the case for this one but honestly, there are better ones which do that.
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