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Nov 29, 2015 8:09 PM
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Nice dragon tattoo Natsu, so Igneel's power was his secret weapon. Flame Dragon King Mode? Looks impressive...but it's still way too early to think Zeref's done. So Zeref knew Layla? And someone named Anna? I'm guessing we're gonna need more flashbacks for this...
Nov 29, 2015 11:40 PM
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You read the spoilers? Or seen raws? Or is the chapter out?
Nov 30, 2015 1:45 AM
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Raws because no translations are out. Zeref seems to be having a lot of fun. I hope to see curse removed from him and not simply killing him
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Nov 30, 2015 2:54 AM
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There's a LQ translation avaible. Natsu's new 'mode' looks interesting and seems powerful too. Nice. BUT DAMN CLIFFHANGER. Next chapter we find out more about the past.
Nov 30, 2015 4:37 AM
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Maybe Natsu ain't so dumb after all, he has coming closer to defeating Zeref than I thought he ever would.

So he was hiding Igneel's power all along, I wish Hiro would have saved that for later, I guess Natsu can only cover himself for so long.

How is Zeref going to get out of this one, looks like Zeref is not resisting, so Zeref is not going to stop him, will the power just run out, will someone like August interfere, will Natsu find out he is Zeref brother and just stop his attack, I don't know.

Looks like we won't find out yet, as next chapter is going to be a flashback chapter it seems.
Nov 30, 2015 5:19 AM
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Zeref isn't dying here not yet, sorry natsu

So that agazin special did spoil the tattoo on his arm, oh and also this is a onetime use power
Mabry he runs out before he can do enough damadge,

If/when natsu cannot kill him what will zeref do leave him their? He won't kill him, Mabry Happy will snatch him up at the last second-
Nov 30, 2015 5:54 AM
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Well , who are these two girls that Zeref mentions at last ?
Nice Chapter ! Now waiting for the next bruuh ... I think it's gonna be another flashback about Zeref's past ?
Nov 30, 2015 5:57 AM
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Nice chapter.

I liked the new mode but why is it only a onetime power up?
Can't see Zeref going down just like that. As said above removing the curse would be nice.

I hope using igneels power will be a big step for Natsu's dragonification.
Nov 30, 2015 6:15 AM
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can someone give the latest chapter link? The manga hop's page is not available. And Manga Panda still did not update. Ill delete this later. Thank you
Nov 30, 2015 6:23 AM

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Don't bother with the low quality joke scanaltion. Just wait for Mangapanda or mangastream.

Natsu putting in work and I love how some people think Zeref has no chance of dying here. Except he can if he's not the true final boss of this story.

On the other hand Invel's reaction to his emperor being revealed as Zeref was rather intriguing.

PS: Mangastream version is up. Go read that one
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Zeref said thank you igneel, layla, anna and my beloved brother. Who is Anna? And I'm sooo curious what relationship zeref and layla have!!!
Nov 30, 2015 6:31 AM
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Just here to read the rage @ how Zeref was one-shotted lol
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Who the F*** is Lucy's mom? Even Zeref mentions her in his "dying" he wishes moments. And has this Anna ever been mentioned before?

Anyway, it was nice seeing Zeref smile :) I really want Natsu to find out about their connection.
Dragon King mode is pretty cool. I wonder if it's really gonna be a one time thing? There's still Acnologia and Grey to fight :P Ofc Zeref isn't dead either but I don't see Zeref dying by defeat in a fight so it doesn't matter.
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I can't believe Natsu wrecked Zeref ;-;

If Igneel was truly this powerful before then Natsu with Blaze Dragon King Mode could've oneshotted all Spriggan 12.

I wonder if Zeref was holding back or going all out? Also, however powerful is Acno then and what is Zeref's relationship to Layla, Igneel and this Anna?

I wish Zeref was holding back, though. To see a villain mentioned right from the beginning of FT get defeated so easily is a downer :(.
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Natsu's new mode is pretty op. Althugh we all know Zeref isn't about to be defeated so early.
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I'm only bothered with the "this is a one time only" thing, is it really that, or he will still wreck everyone else with it.
Now I'm even more curious about Layla and who's this Anna, she was never mentioned before.
Nov 30, 2015 6:46 AM

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Maybe Anna is Natsu's mother.
Nov 30, 2015 6:48 AM
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I'm only bothered with the "this is a one time only" thing, is it really that, or he will still wreck everyone else with it.
Now I'm even more curious about Layla and who's this Anna, she was never mentioned before.


It probably is a one-time thing as Natsu stated it himself and literally wrecked Zeref using the Blaze Dragon King Mode.

Though, I really hope Zeref wasn't this weak >.<!
Nov 30, 2015 6:49 AM
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If Zeref will die for the next chapter. That will be a nice story. It's not a particular shounen story that "the-guy-that-everyone's-chasing-antagonist" (zeref) is not the true enemy. IRDK what to say. This will be a new plot twist if he will die.

Even Zeref, he don't know if he will die. But he just hope that he will die.


We all know Mashima is planning something here. It's just start of the war and if the emperor will die, IDK what to say about that.

Orrrrrrrrrr what if the 12 spriggans are all cursed people by immortality same as Zeref and Mavis. Nah.
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Nice chapter , as expected from Hiro Mashima. I do think that there will be some flashbacks and I don't think that Zeref will die easily because himself being immortal and the book of END is still with him. I can't wait to see END's reincarnation and how Natsu learn the shocking truth about being Zeref's brother and also how will Gray face END.
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Lucy-is-onemagic said:
If Zeref will die for the next chapter. That will be a nice story. It's not a particular shounen story that "the-guy-that-everyone's-chasing-antagonist" (zeref) is not the true enemy. IRDK what to say. This will be a new plot twist if he will die.

Even Zeref, he don't know if he will die. But he just hope that he will die.


We all know Mashima is planning something here. It's just start of the war and if the emperor will die, IDK what to say about that.

Orrrrrrrrrr what if the 12 spriggans are all cursed people by immortality same as Zeref and Mavis. Nah.


I never believed for a moment that Zeref was the final boss of this story and I don't think Acnologia is either. Plus the fact that Zeref thanks LAYLA of all people in his last mometns also raises a truckload of questions.

People complaining about this only do so because they fell for the trap that Mashima laid out since the arc started. Final arc of the series my ass.
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Layla and Zeref connection:

1)Mard Geer and Celestial Spirit king
2)Eclipse gate (zeref's creation) and power of celestial spirit wizard
3)Time travel (Natsu was born 400 years ago and in the year X792 , Natsu looks a teen ager.

For 400 years, it's kinda impossible that he grew that look's like a kid (from 400 years ago to x777)

Maybe Layla did this. But for what? And why?

4) Brandish hate Layla
5)Or Zeref Just want Layla to ship Natsu and Lucy-chan for a good future ( ͡o ͜ʖ ͡o)
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Chaos_Harbinger said:

It probably is a one-time thing as Natsu stated it himself and literally wrecked Zeref using the Blaze Dragon King Mode.

Though, I really hope Zeref wasn't this weak >.<!

Right, I just hope Natsu will take a long time before he joins another fight or something like that, no way he uses something like that out of the bat and continues to fight another Spriggan or something like that you know.

As for Zeref, I don't really think he's dead, maybe he himself doesn't know that attack couldn't kill him, sure we have no way to know if that actually happened until more chapters are out but I just think that was way too sudden, all of a sudden the guy is dead.

And it's not like I feel that way because Zeref is the final boss or anything, heck I don't even know how a guy like Zeref can be the final enemy/boss, since Tenroujima you could see that Zeref isn't THAT evil and we still need to know why he wanted to annihilate humanity and things like that, there's just too many things involving Zeref and now even LAYLA of all people had a "important" relationship with him, you can't believe someone like him is dead just like that.
Nov 30, 2015 7:05 AM

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I am bummed out that the fight wasn't more spectacular than this but Zeref ACTUALLY dying all of a sudden is the most interesting turn of events.
Yes please, more of this moar.

Who the fk Anna? Why does he know Layla? What the hell???
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Nov 30, 2015 7:11 AM
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Bait and switch at it's finest. I thought Zeref and Acnologia weren't going to be the manga's final enemies,but still,to Zeref being taken out just like this. Mashima outdid himself here.

Not that I am complaining. Zeref was taken out by Ultear before,so despite all his power,he probably can`t tank much damage. I knew there was a link between Zeref and Layla. What`s most intriguing is that Zeref thanked Layla before thanking Mavis. It confirms they are acquaintances,what Brandish implied when she confirmed she knew her.

I first thought she was one of the twelve after what Brandish said,considering she had enough magic power to easily summon three spirits. Now,I am not so sure. I don`t think she was his lover,either. She was probably a partner or something.

An undying power vs an Immortal. If Zeref is so sure its contradictory enough to kill him,I fail to see him surviving.

Still,Igneel is dead,Zeref dead,Layla is dead,supposedly. Who the hell will inform fairy tail and us,the viewers and readers,about the events in 400 hundred years ago? Plus,who will replace Zeref as Albareth`s emperor,I wonder...
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maybe anna is the cause of the curse. layla helped him to meet the celestial king. mavis foe the love life. igneel for acnologia.
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So Zeref somehow knew Layla which i'm sure is Lucy's mother, but who is Anna?
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Didn't expect to see Zeref getting his ass own just like that. Flashback next week?
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Nov 30, 2015 7:21 AM
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The cause of the curse is Akheseram,or whatever his name is spelled. I think we should wait before making baseless theories. Anna could be Zeref and Natsu's mother. It's rather ironic,for someone who regretted his life,to thank his mother,if my intuition is right. Rather touching as well. Still,Zeref sure had a way with girls. Besides Natsu,his brother,he only thanked women.

Mashima really outdid himself here. I honestly don`t know what will happen anymore in this manga. i can imagine people getting pissed here,and others preparing to ditch the manga if Mashima can`t keep up this game. Not that I care.

Now that I think about it,we still don`t know the story of the celestial spirits,if they are artificial or not,and if so,who created them and for what. We don`t know what will happen when Lucy gathers all twelve keys,considering Mashima had Lucy refuse Libra and Pisces,I doubt it`s nothing. Maybe next chapter will give us some answers.

Well,considering Lucy looks just like Layla and they have the same VAs in the anime,both in the jap and eng dubs,I wouldn't be surprised if Layla "got around" her death somehow by using her own daughter as a vessel or something of the sort. It's the kind of stuff Mashima could easily pull of. We don't even know how Layla died.
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Plot twist: Layla is the main villian.
Nov 30, 2015 7:28 AM
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Pretty sure Zeref isn't going to die just yet but I have a feeling when Acnologia arrives and is about to kill Natsu Zeref saves Natsu by taking the hit and dies leading Natsu to become END and go into rage mode.
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Plot twist:
Zeref: Lucy, I am your real father! XD
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Nov 30, 2015 7:32 AM
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i am 100% sure someone will protect zeref now
maybe that guy , he will Extinguish natsu's magic and it will not effect zeref

but man, Layla ? and who's anna ?
Nov 30, 2015 7:35 AM
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Plot twist: Layla is the main villian.


Major plot twist : Layla is Ankhseram. And Brandish is secretly Zeref's lover so she hates Layla for cursing Zeref.
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Finally...Zeref has been defeated...the world is finally peace once more.......not.



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RayAdha said:
Finally...Zeref has been defeated...the world is finally peace once more.......not.

SyThunder said:
Plot twist: Layla is the main villian.
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Pretty sure Anna is Zeref's mother. Mashima did some art of a woman who hugely looks like Zeref in the face so it could be her.

Also, the prediction I made about Natsu having Igneel's powers in the form of a tattoo over a year ago was spot on. Woo~

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The way Zeref's acting I really hope that he's not dead and ends up giving an overly dramatic dying speech only to realize after a beat that he's not dead yet. Then he and Natsu can share an awkward silence.
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The plot thickens.....

The chances of Zeref being dead is 0.000000000000000000001%.

We haven't even seen the rest of the Spriggans yet.

Fuck, the guy doesn't even know whether he'll die.

Even if Natsu beats Zeref, could FT take out the rest of the Spriggans? Considering Natsu used his trump card and all.

4/5, too much talking. I wanted more action.
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i think Anna is Layla's mother
and maybe Brandish is layla's sister
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Chaos_Harbinger said:
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I'm only bothered with the &quot;this is a one time only&quot; thing, is it really that, or he will still wreck everyone else with it.
Now I'm even more curious about Layla and who's this Anna, she was never mentioned before.


It probably is a one-time thing as Natsu stated it himself and literally wrecked Zeref using the Blaze Dragon King Mode.

Though, I really hope Zeref wasn't this weak &gt;.&lt;!
zeref is strong. Either he is holding back or natsu new mode overpowered him. As you can see, 1 time only power is definitely strong like ichigo final getsuga tensho
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zeref getting all up in the feels
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Bait and switch at it's finest. I thought Zeref and Acnologia weren't going to be the manga's final enemies,but still,to Zeref being taken out just like this. Mashima outdid himself here.

Not that I am complaining. Zeref was taken out by Ultear before,so despite all his power,he probably can`t tank much damage.

Wait, I don't understand, are you serious buying that Zeref is dead and that he's actually weak to the point someone like Ultear can beat him?

Acnologia of all things "respects" Zeref enough to directly talk with him(remember when Zeref explained that Acnologia would never talk to humans because for him we're like bugs, the same way Humans would never talk to a bug) and he even mentions that with the power Zeref has, he can rule the world aswell, I seriously doubt Acnologia would say that just because Zeref is immortal, Acnologia has probably seen Zeref powers before and thus why he "respects" him.
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I think what's gonna end up happening is, this won't kill Zeref. Not by a long shot. Stuff will continue to go down against the rest of the Spriggan 12 blah di blah, and in order kill Zeref Natsu will have to embrace E.N.D. And ultimately Natsu will become the final antagonist and Gray is gonna have to fight him.
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I think what's gonna end up happening is, this won't kill Zeref. Not by a long shot. Stuff will continue to go down against the rest of the Spriggan 12 blah di blah, and in order kill Zeref Natsu will have to embrace E.N.D. And ultimately Natsu will become the final antagonist and Gray is gonna have to fight him.


LOL no. Gray will get his ass kicked buying time until Lucy snaps Natsu out of it. Natsu won't be the final antagonist.
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It was weird as fuck seeing Zeref get his ass kicked, like that. And, on top of that, I was hoping that this fight would last a few chapters, not seemingly ending after one. Like, 264 chapters of buildup (for the Natsu VS. Zeref fight), and nearly 400-something for Zeref's defeat (from the first time the name "Zeref" is mentioned, early on in the series), only to (seemingly) end like this? :/ We better get some E.N.D. shit out of this, or a confession to Natsu from Zeref, or something, or I'm going to be extremely pissed. Zeref can't die like this. No way.

On to the names he mentioned, I would definitely like to see how acquainted he was with Igneel, and their story. Anna, I'm sure of, is Natsu and Zeref's mother. Mashima drew a picture of a young woman resembling Zeref on his twitter, without giving a name, which supports that theory. Maybe we'll get some stuff on her, next chapter. Layla... That name again. Here's a twist: Layla is actually Natsu and Zeref's mother, and Lucy is their sister! DUN-DUN-DUNNNN!! But no. I wonder how they are connected? Perhaps he killed her, or something? And too bad his "last" line, wasn't out loud, however, I'm guessing it'll be one of those "I knew all along" moments, or one of those Naruto-esque moments, where they were able to trade thoughts through those blows, and Natsu is going to stop short and go off on Zeref, lmao. There is also the possibilities, that the attack will stop just short of reaching him, or the attack merely kills the Ankhseram's Curse, within Zeref.

Either way, I can't wait for next week's chapter. :3 Don't screw with me, Mashima!
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SUGOI! HYPE, HYPE, HYPE!! I really want to see how this whole battle ends. And theres no way that Zeref would fall that fast. This Natsu's attack might do a lot of damage to him, but Zeref won't die that easily.
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