World Trigger Chapter 117 Discussion

soiberi1 said:
Osamu is weak, he knows that, we all know that. Let's stop the wimp discussion matter. We should go through all the thing he has done. Though you might dislike him went on easy* route. Well man, man has to do what man has to do. Captain has to do something to changes the flow.

Dues-aj said:
Anyway it looks like Osamu will have to to find some incredible reason to get Hyuse to join his team as Border and Hyuse himself are against it. Or Osamu will ask someone else to join. I'm hoping it's Yuiga..

Ero-sommelier said:


Plz not Yuiga. Also, yes, if Hyuse wants to get even with the neighbors, he'll need to be acknowledged by Border at some point. Joining Osamu's team would certainly be a possibility, and I think Osamu would find the words to convince him. Border, on the other hand...Kuga was one thing, Hyuse quite another, but I guess it will happen.

Now, if he joins, does that mean there's no more operator?

Dues-aj said:

Why would they lose their operator? Teams can consist of 1-4 combatants and an operator.

Ero-sommelier said:


Isn't the operator part of the 4? I haven't seen many 5-member units around. I'll need to reread to be sure, though.

p-kun said:
I updated the first post with translation. Great chapter XD. Can't wait until the raid.

Dues-aj said:

"World Tri-Gear"? Fuck you that is amazing. I am probably going to use that at some point.

p-kun said:
I updated the first post with translation. Great chapter XD. Can't wait until the raid.

p-kun said:
- The fat engineer and Enedorad are watching movie on big screen while snacking (the engineer on food, Enedorad on trion, LOL).

p-kun said:
- Well, Osamu will continue training, devise new strategy for two to three people, revise the protocol from match start to rendezvous, and next, trying out different combinations of triggers with Usami-sempai's help.

deadmanwalking13 said:


Is no one as uncomfortable about this as me???
Maybe I'm just attached to osamus awkward fighting style but I don't know how I feel about him using new triggers. This may be a chance for us to see new unique and/or optional triggers but anything other than that would feel desperate. I really don't think osamu should be changing things so late into the rank wars.

Osamus current combination with raygust and asteroid fits his personality in my opinion and I dont think I've seen anyone else use a similar one(maybe miwa?) so its pretty unique. I was hoping to see him get really creative with them...

If its just passive or mobile triggers like grasshopper then Im all for it though.

Imo the only way he can get stronger (right now) is if he gets a custom Trigger that suits his abilities/style and complements it. But there's no way something like that will suddenly show up.

Cower said:


On a side note: Jin and Border Engineers did come up with "scorpion" and now it is a standard issue weapon which is allowed in the Rank Wars. It is possible for Osamu to (eventually) invent (with help of Border Engineers) some kind of trigger suitable for those with low trion levels (like himself), and get it approved by Higher-ups and included as an "allowed weapon". Surely not in nearest fututre, but just a possibility for further growth.

Botato said:



What I want to happen is for Chika to start using more Triggers instead of just being an artillery canon. Maybe Kogetsu Arafune style? Scorpion is a good option too. Or a shooting trigger or some traps. Her current style is a massive waste of her Trion ability.

Triggerman said:


I too think Chika needs an additional trigger! Actually Osamu too, it's a really good idea for him to look for new triggers combinations.
I'd love if both of them had an optional trigger as their "go to trigger".
The same way Yuma has the Grasshopper, and i think Osamu and Chika need something like that too!

Chika with her enormous Trion should be able to use different ones, i think of one since the BT retrieval arc it's the teleportation Trigger (the one Arashiyama used).
With it after she shot Chika could move really fast and so escape the retaliation once her spot has been find out!
If i'm not mistaken this trigger allows you to teleport as far as you can see, so it's pretty useful, and i think Chika would be wise to train with this trigger.

For Osamu i don't really know, his trion ability prevent him to have a lot of combination.
Chameleon is out of question as it uses a lot of trion (but it would have been great for him), Grasshopper is Yuma's and i don't see Osamu teleport.
So i really hope there are 1 or 2 optional trigger that we haven't see yet that Osamu could grow to master!

Triggerman said:


I too think Chika needs an additional trigger! Actually Osamu too, it's a really good idea for him to look for new triggers combinations.
I'd love if both of them had an optional trigger as their "go to trigger".
The same way Yuma has the Grasshopper, and i think Osamu and Chika need something like that too!

Chika with her enormous Trion should be able to use different ones, i think of one since the BT retrieval arc it's the teleportation Trigger (the one Arashiyama used).
With it after she shot Chika could move really fast and so escape the retaliation once her spot has been find out!
If i'm not mistaken this trigger allows you to teleport as far as you can see, so it's pretty useful, and i think Chika would be wise to train with this trigger.

For Osamu i don't really know, his trion ability prevent him to have a lot of combination.
Chameleon is out of question as it uses a lot of trion (but it would have been great for him), Grasshopper is Yuma's and i don't see Osamu teleport.
So i really hope there are 1 or 2 optional trigger that we haven't see yet that Osamu could grow to master!

Triggerman said:
One other thing that could be awesome for Chika is if she could combine Ibis with Hound or Viper!
I don't know if this is possible but that would be devastating!

Botato said:
Osamu already has Thruster which is pretty decent if used wisely.
But again unless Osamu solves his trion problem I'm not interested in seeing him use more variations because nothing will change overall <.<

But yeah Chika can use a lot of different things. Imagine teleporting in complex terrain to go out of the enemy's line of sight then using chameleon. She will have more options as a sniper.

Homing artillery strikes sound way too OP xD
Give her Lead Bullet too then because not OP enough :p

Botato said:
Homing artillery strikes sound way too OP xD
Give her Lead Bullet too then because not OP enough :p

Triggerman said:
What does OP mean?

Triggerman said:


What does OP mean?
And no lead bullet aren't useful for sniper so what's the point!

pablomc said:
I think Osamu should add more variety for his attacks... maybe a new bullet... meteor or hound... I know that Osamu hasn't mastered asteirod yet... but one of this new bullet (maybe even both) would be good for Osamu's general ability... besides the composed bullets...
Hound would be better maybe... since he can create some traps with them...

Dues-aj said:
I don't think Ibis can have hound shots. Just normal shots.

Cower said:


OP stands for Over Powered
Well, at least in given context, that is.

It also could stand for Original Poster (which referes to person who created the post i.e. post author) and buch other stuff depending on the context and a subculture

Botato said:
OP = over powered.
I know; it was just a joke.

Meteor might not be that strong with his trion, so yeah hound is probably the better option.

The point is, we want to see Chika have a bit more variety. We can all agree on that, I think.

Triggerman said:
Back to the topic, the last thing i see for Osamu would be to become Trapper once Hyuse join (and Hyuse will be at shooter position).
But we still don't know what Trapper actually does (apart setting traps) and if they have special trigger for that position

Dues-aj said:
I want to see Chika capable of shooting people first

Botato said:
The point is, we want to see Chika have a bit more variety. We can all agree on that, I think.

WiseFlower said:
Interesting....so a neighbor country can have vassal states kinda like a moon rotating around the earth hmmm....
I'm expecting someone from these Aftokrator's vassal states to come and search/accidentally meets Hyuse....and tell him about the real reason why he was abandoned making Hyuse wants to go back... Hmm....I wanna see his reaction...

I think it will be really nice to see Chika uses other triggers. Like what Jin said, to have variety is important. She can learn to use other snipers aside of Ibis or even learn to use shooter/gunner triggers.

WiseFlower said:
Interesting....so a neighbor country can have vassal states kinda like a moon rotating around the earth hmmm....
I'm expecting someone from these Aftokrator's vassal states to come and search/accidentally meets Hyuse....and tell him about the real reason why he was abandoned making Hyuse wants to go back... Hmm....I wanna see his reaction...

JCNSilva said:
Yeah, I think we should see others optional triggers soon.
IIRC, a Trigger has 8 slots for optional triggers and browsing the wikia I found that until now 13 optional triggers appeared (2 of them are Tamakoma-2 exclusives).

Starmaker seems fit Osamu's personality and low trion capacity, but we still don't know that much about this trigger.

Botato said:

Imo the only way he can get stronger (right now) is if he gets a custom Trigger that suits his abilities/style and complements it. But there's no way something like that will suddenly show up. Anyway point is I'm not expecting Osamu to improve anytime soon, because he's lacking in a lot of areas.

Triggerman said:

A-rank battles are probably really awesome, i really want to see that! (the last 4 way battle was already great)

JCNSilva said:

Edit: The names of the approaching countries were updated on wikia (I don't know if this is correct, its kind of weird)
γαλοπούλα - Galopoula (Turkey)
Ροδόχρουν - Rodochroun (Pinkishness)

Triggerman said:

And no lead bullet aren't useful for sniper so what's the point!

Cower said:

Not just a movie, they are watching "The Terminator 2" (am i the only one who recognised it right away) which is, for some reason, absolutely hilarious for me.

I may have overreacted in my previos post about this but i still think it is awesome.
Simply because Enedora was somewhat akin to T-1000 (liquid metal and stuff... )

dat_le_tat said:
About Chika, because of her trion, every trigger become black trigger in terms of power. Heck, what if she use Meteora, or full attack hound like last rank battle, forget about shield, RUN! Someone with high trion level (i.e. Chika) would be able to use scorpion like a fullbody armor. ( i wasn't make up about it, FACT that she can) or Kogetsu, it will cut though anything, lol. She need times to learn, and her SE, we only know Chika have two SE.

p-kun said:

I don't think custom trigger or even BT is a viable solution right now. The problem with Osamu right now is not firepower NOR trion. Osamu is never drained IN battles - battles usually end before he's drained. His problem is that his BASIC skill is bad. It'll be like giving a baby, who has just recently learned how to walk and still cannot run, a weapon. Once this is fixed, say, he reaches 7000+ custom trigger will be a good upgrade.

p-kun said:
BUT I still believe that BT is NOT good even at 7000+ point. Don't forget, BT doesn't allow you to equip optional trigger like SHIELD, bagworm, and other stuff. While powerful, BT is actually hard to use, especially if you're unlucky like Jin, whose BT doesn't help much with shielding. Miwa returned the BT because of this lack of optionality - it must have been tough for Miwa, who is really good at shielding and reliant on it, to suddenly lose that option. Perhaps at 9000+ Osamu will be ready for BT.

p-kun said:
That said, I support Osamu tinkering with new combination of triggers. I agree that in general, testing new combat triggers when the next match is in 2 days is a bad choice, BUT, there are combinations that can help Osamu without screwing with his current training, like meteora and wire (to make traps like Reiji did to Hyuse). If Osamu is going to be more passive in the upcoming matches (more bagworm, less solo), then he'll have time to make traps. Then he can undo his bagworm and lure the opponents to them.

Botato said:

Anyway, I agree with everything you said about BTs; they're extremely powerful and have very unique skills, but they aren't as versatile as Normal Triggers and once their trick is revealed it's possible to come up with a few plans to defeat them. The only exception (thus far) might be Yuma's BT, as he can copy certain Triggers like he did with Lead Bullet.

p-kun said:




Lead bullet doesn't kill and cannot be shielded. It's perfect for Chika, who cannot kill, when she is about to be captured. But she's still screwed if her pursuer is not CQC type because it's slow and has to be shot at short range. It's trion intensive but Chika can spam it.

JCNSilva said:


The one who copied Lead Bullet wasn't Replica?

Botato said:
I just went back and checked, chapter 16 implies that Kuga's Trigger does indeed have the ability to copy other abilities. Of course that is just Miwa's monologue and he could be wrong. In chapter 15 Replica only gave Kuga the name of the seal he has to use (Anchor).

Dunno if it has been revealed elsewhere what Kuga's BT is actually capable of, but this is what we have to work with I guess.

Botato said:
Nah what Replica mostly does is help Yuma by creating seals so they can use complex attacks faster. Remember in the invasion arc when he helped Osamu with Boost Double? It's something similar; instead of Kuga activating both Boost Double and Bolt (for example), he'd only need to activate Bolt and Replica takes care of Boost.

Kuga's BT is probably, as chapter 16 suggests, to copy/learn other Trigger abilities and use them with many times their original power. He probably can't learn Black Trigger abilities though, but we'll see.
We still don't know what his BT is even called so I'm sure we'll get more specific details on it at some point.