| Anime and Cartoon are very much the same. Anime is a japanese word to distinguish animated shows from live-action series and such, just as the world uses words like Cartoons, Tekenfilms etc, to do so. Country origin has nothing to do with it. |
Xenzio said: Anime and Cartoon are very much the same. Anime is a japanese word to distinguish animated shows from live-action series and such, just as the world uses words like Cartoons, Tekenfilms etc, to do so. Country origin has nothing to do with it. I beg to differ, because country origin does have something to do with it. In Japan, all sorts of animation is considered "anime". The word was coined because they had trouble pronouncing "animation". However, if you were from outside Japan, would you call all sorts of animation anime? I don't think so. So for people in Japan, all animation regardless of source is anime, but for us, it's only anime from Japan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#Word_usage: In Japan, the term does not specify an animation's nation of origin or style; instead, it is used as a blanket term to refer to all forms of animation from around the world.In English, dictionary sources define anime as "a Japanese style of motion-picture animation" or "a style of animation developed in Japan".Non-Japanese works that borrow stylization from anime is commonly referred to as "anime-influenced animation" but it is not unusual for a viewer who does not know the country of origin of such material to refer to it as simply "anime". Some works are co-productions with non-Japanese companies, such as the Cartoon Network and Production I.G series IGPX or Ōban Star-Racers, which may or may not be considered anime by different viewers. |
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| The things like the "big eyes" or "sweat drops" are just part of the animation style that you tend to notice more in the Japanese shows. There are a lot of factors that determine what is considered "anime". Though the country of origin is a factor, I think the one thing that matters is what is the original intended audience. These animated shows made for the Japanese audience, thus I consider them anime. Things like creator, writer, director, production studio are also things you have to consider when you differentiate between an American and Japanese product. I feel the same way with the manga/comic argument. |
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| The only problem is "Avatar: The Last Airbender". |
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| To me "anime" is Japanese animation that tells a story (put country name here) animation is a non-Japanese animation that tells a story cartoon is American animation for kids computer animation are animations that don't tell stories ( like a gif or flash ) Avatar is the best " Animation " I've ever seen. |
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| Anime = Japanese-made cartoons. That's why Avatar isn't anime, since it was made in America, and was only anime-inspired, and Japan had nothing to do with its actual creation. That's why shows like Usavich and all those weird ONA shows are considered anime, even if they look nothing like what is generally considered the anime 'style'. |
| Yeah anime is basically a word for Japanese cartoons I really don't get why Resident Evil: Degenerations, Advent Children and Spirits Within are on this site when it's not even remotely anime. |
| Because it's animation made in Japan. I think it's all complete bullshit. For me Anime = Anime, which means, everything animated. Anime, Cartoons, Tekenfilms etc, all mean the same damn thing, so I don't go around and categorize it as "American Cartoons, or Japanese Anime".. |
| As previously said, if you're in Japan, 'anime' is pretty much all non-real-life television series and movies. For Western fans however, 'anime' refers strictly to Japanese animated series, and 'cartoon' is any non-Japanese animated series. |
| id say any form of animation that has smooth character design (not completely thick line character/objects) with a plot or storyline should be considered anime. of course theres a contradiction of non-plot animes like...lucky star or something, but has a general flow of time. compared to the cartoony drawings with thick lines and no general flow of time -ex, spongebob, etc- also cartoons are usually directed to mainly kids, while anime is varied to many age. dont know the exact way of explaining it; hard to convey it in words the difference |
Llama_Guy said: As previously said, if you're in Japan, 'anime' is pretty much all non-real-life television series and movies. For Western fans however, 'anime' refers strictly to Japanese animated series, and 'cartoon' is any non-Japanese animated series. Exactly. I think this is pretty much what you should follow. |
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Xenzio said: Because it's animation made in Japan. I think it's all complete bullshit. For me Anime = Anime, which means, everything animated. Anime, Cartoons, Tekenfilms etc, all mean the same damn thing, so I don't go around and categorize it as "American Cartoons, or Japanese Anime".. Technically that's true but it's pretty much accepted that the meaning of Anime is "Japanese cartoons". I mean this website doesn't have Avatar or South Park or Aqua Teen Hunger Force etc. Plus do you seriously think of something like Family Guy if someone asks you "Do you watch Anime?" |
Xenzio said: Because it's animation made in Japan. I think it's all complete bullshit. For me Anime = Anime, which means, everything animated. Anime, Cartoons, Tekenfilms etc, all mean the same damn thing, so I don't go around and categorize it as "American Cartoons, or Japanese Anime".. So you'd call something like The Simpsons anime? Even wiki agrees that anime = Japanese-made cartoons --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime |
| The term "anime" does indeed originate from Japan and most people around the world do know that "anime" comes originally from Japan. The term "anime" is used to describe the Japanese style of animation, nothing more. In general, it is still animation, no different that Looney Toons, Tom and Jerry, etc... Korea is definitely putting out more and more of their style of animation, but in today's society, people call any animation that looks like Japanese style, anime. Whether it's American, Korean, Chinese, Japanese, or any other nation's, if it looks the style, people call it anime. |
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saintcross said: Xenzio said: Because it's animation made in Japan. I think it's all complete bullshit. For me Anime = Anime, which means, everything animated. Anime, Cartoons, Tekenfilms etc, all mean the same damn thing, so I don't go around and categorize it as "American Cartoons, or Japanese Anime".. Technically that's true but it's pretty much accepted that the meaning of Anime is "Japanese cartoons". I mean this website doesn't have Avatar or South Park or Aqua Teen Hunger Force etc. Plus do you seriously think of something like Family Guy if someone asks you "Do you watch Anime?" I presume Family Guy's an animated show as well then? If it is, yeah, I do. It's all the same, but 'Western Fans' use the word 'Anime' for 'Japanese Animation Series' It's all a fan's thing, although originally, it's very much the same as cartoons. @BigSimo, yes, since it is. |
| Anime means "animation" in Japanese. So technically, any animated (not live action) show counts as anime. Considering the world itself is of Japanese origin, I believe that is the actual meaning that one should take into account. To me, any animated movie/TV series/OVA/ONA/etc that was made by Japanese counts as anime. It's just the way I got used to so... *shrugs* That means that yeah I'm using the term wrongly :P |
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| We are arguing over semantics. Keep it simple. In the literal sense, I agree with Xenzio. Yes, cartoon = anime. |
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Xenzio said: saintcross said: Xenzio said: Because it's animation made in Japan. I think it's all complete bullshit. For me Anime = Anime, which means, everything animated. Anime, Cartoons, Tekenfilms etc, all mean the same damn thing, so I don't go around and categorize it as "American Cartoons, or Japanese Anime".. Technically that's true but it's pretty much accepted that the meaning of Anime is "Japanese cartoons". I mean this website doesn't have Avatar or South Park or Aqua Teen Hunger Force etc. Plus do you seriously think of something like Family Guy if someone asks you "Do you watch Anime?" I presume Family Guy's an animated show as well then? If it is, yeah, I do. It's all the same, but 'Western Fans' use the word 'Anime' for 'Japanese Animation Series' It's all a fan's thing, although originally, it's very much the same as cartoons. @BigSimo, yes, since it is. I see. Well it's up to you then, so I have no real problem with it. |
Xenzio said: Because it's animation made in Japan. I think it's all complete bullshit. For me Anime = Anime, which means, everything animated. Anime, Cartoons, Tekenfilms etc, all mean the same damn thing, so I don't go around and categorize it as "American Cartoons, or Japanese Anime".. i dare to agree, despite of the different interpretation of meaning by each individual. anime is indeed originated from the word "animation", so anything animated despite the country it was made is an anime......i dont know if this will be consider relevant however isnt the word the word hi, hello,hola, hallo, nei hou, bonjour.. and all others only means the same thing? so anime, or cartoons, it all just bunch of drawing put together and made it into a show... whats gonna happen when a japanese animator gets a contract to produce an anime or cartoon--however you wanna call it--here in america? will that no longer consider an anime? |
lblsslxJan 10, 2009 9:42 PM
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lblsslx said: Xenzio said: Because it's animation made in Japan. I think it's all complete bullshit. For me Anime = Anime, which means, everything animated. Anime, Cartoons, Tekenfilms etc, all mean the same damn thing, so I don't go around and categorize it as "American Cartoons, or Japanese Anime".. i dare to agree, despite of the different interpretation of meaning by each individual. anime is indeed originated from the word "animation", so anything animated despite the country it was made is an anime......i dont know if this will be consider relevant however isnt the word the word hi, hello,hola, hallo, nei hou, bonjour.. and all others only means the same thing? so anime, or cartoons, it all just bunch of drawing put together and made it into a show... whats gonna happen when a japanese animator gets a contract to produce an anime or cartoon--however you wanna call it--here in america? will that no longer consider an anime? Regarding that last; that's the whole problem, as soon as there's a bunch of japanese involved, it's counted as anime here on MAL. For example, the anime Alfred Jodocus Kwak, which is it's original name is an Dutch "cartoon" but it got produced in Japan, and then suddenly, on MAL, it's original name is Ahiru no Quack and it's "Anime". So long as there's a japanese author/production team, it's counted as anime on this site... Lame? Why yes.. |
| ^ but that applies to how anime is really defined.That it was produced in Japan - therefore, it's anime. I know what you're trying to say. I know that you know that to the Japanese people, all sorts of animation is considered as anime, but you're not Japanese, are you? The Japanese people just coined "anime" cause they had difficulty in pronouncing the whole word. Most people outside Japan can pronounce it well, so they don't need to refer to all kinds of animation as "anime". |
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jet2r0cks said: ^ but that applies to how anime is really defined.That it was produced in Japan - therefore, it's anime. I know what you're trying to say. I know that you know that to the Japanese people, all sorts of animation is considered as anime, but you're not Japanese, are you? The Japanese people just coined "anime" cause they had difficulty in pronouncing the whole word. Most people outside Japan can pronounce it well, so they don't need to refer to all kinds of animation as "anime". That doesn't matter, Anime and Cartoons still mean the same damn thing. That Anime got the meaning "Japanese Animation" is purely thought up by non-Asian fans |
Xenzio said: That doesn't matter, Anime and Cartoons still mean the same damn thing. That Anime got the meaning "Japanese Animation" is purely thought up by non-Asian fans I'm not gonna convince you into agreeing with me, nor do I think you're completely wrong but, can I see some proof of that? It's only cause I haven't read/heard of that before that I want to see where you got the idea. |
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saintcross said: Xenzio said: Because it's animation made in Japan. I think it's all complete bullshit. For me Anime = Anime, which means, everything animated. Anime, Cartoons, Tekenfilms etc, all mean the same damn thing, so I don't go around and categorize it as "American Cartoons, or Japanese Anime".. Technically that's true but it's pretty much accepted that the meaning of Anime is "Japanese cartoons". I mean this website doesn't have Avatar or South Park or Aqua Teen Hunger Force etc. Plus do you seriously think of something like Family Guy if someone asks you "Do you watch Anime?" let me get away from anime/cartoon show..... lets just say a japanese guy acting undefinably crazy... another japanese person can consider him an AHO or BAKA, however, western can't call him an IDIOT? which basically the same.. QUESTION: what is a cartoon? ANSWER: it's a bunch of drawings put together and made into a show QUESTION: what is an anime? ANSWER: it's a bunch of drawings put together and made into a show i fail to see the differences, therefore, i conclude TO MYSELF that, cartoon and anime own the same meaning using two different terms. therefore it's the same |
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Xenzio said: Regarding that last; that's the whole problem, as soon as there's a bunch of japanese involved, it's counted as anime here on MAL. For example, the anime Alfred Jodocus Kwak, which is it's original name is an Dutch "cartoon" but it got produced in Japan, and then suddenly, on MAL, it's original name is Ahiru no Quack and it's "Anime". So long as there's a japanese author/production team, it's counted as anime on this site... Lame? Why yes.. i agree and can sympathize with you.. although i refuse of judging it as being lame, i accept other's opinion without disrespecting... but i cant help to wonder about so many matter on this issue. i wonder if death note or other "ANIME" was produced, just the way it is originally, nothing change at all.. just the way it is... only its creator--let's just say, a european maybe-- and its produced under the production by DISNEY , will it lose it's genre as anime?.... and i am stressing this part of example... NOTHING CHANGE ON THIS SHOW EXCEPT THE CREATOR AND THE PRODUCTION TEAM.......... DRAWING, SOUNDTRACK, ANIMATION REMAIN THE SAME.. will the all so favorite anime of the many will suddenly turn into a cartoon? |
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lblsslx said: Xenzio said: Regarding that last; that's the whole problem, as soon as there's a bunch of japanese involved, it's counted as anime here on MAL. For example, the anime Alfred Jodocus Kwak, which is it's original name is an Dutch "cartoon" but it got produced in Japan, and then suddenly, on MAL, it's original name is Ahiru no Quack and it's "Anime". So long as there's a japanese author/production team, it's counted as anime on this site... Lame? Why yes.. i agree and can sympathize with you.. although i refuse of judging it as being lame, i accept other's opinion without disrespecting... but i cant help to wonder about so many matter on this issue. i wonder if death note or other "ANIME" was produced, just the way it is originally, nothing change at all.. just the way it is... only its creator--let's just say, a european maybe-- and its produced under the production by DISNEY , will it lose it's genre as anime?.... and i am stressing this part of example... NOTHING CHANGE ON THIS SHOW EXCEPT THE CREATOR AND THE PRODUCTION TEAM.......... DRAWING, SOUNDTRACK, ANIMATION REMAIN THE SAME.. will the all so favorite anime of the many will suddenly turn into a cartoon? If it would happen now.. now, cause it's "originally from Japan". But if that was the case when the show started, I probably think people would label it as "cartoon", that's just the way they are. |
| Since my previous question was ignored, I'm gonna ask this one: If someone asks you for an anime recommendation, would you recommend a cartoon? It would seem logical for people who consider anime = cartoons to do that, wouldn't it? |
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| Anime and Cartoons are different sections in a giant class of entertainment known as animation. Cartoons are a stem from animation that developed and grew in the western part of the world, and Anime stemed from animation as a Japanese interpretation of animation in around the 1920s. It should actually be a subclass of cartoon as the style was based off that of Walt Disney, but it continued to mutate, and eventually differed so radically that earned its own section in the animation family. There are of course many other kinds of animation out there, but these two are the most well known. Now, the question, "What count as anime?" Accordingly, it'll be "an animation that is or is a decendent of the animation style that was formed in Japan." This successfully crosses out cartoons, such as the Simpsons, from the anime group. Now for an animation that has caused troubles in this field, what about Avatar: The Last Airbender? Well, it certainly is inspired by the anime style, so it should be considered anme. However, there is an unsaid but implied definition that all anime comes from Japan, only said to be popular in Japan, but this is never confirmed. So, depending on how open minded the person you ask is, the answer to this question will vary. However, according to the strict definition, Avatar IS anime. |
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| ^ It is confirmed. It's in the quote (from wiki) that I posted (that was also ignored -_-). Shows like Avatar are only considered "anime-inspired animation". |
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jet2r0cks said: Since my previous question was ignored, I'm gonna ask this one: If someone asks you for an anime recommendation, would you recommend a cartoon? It would seem logical for people who consider anime = cartoons to do that, wouldn't it? jet2r0cks said: ^ It is confirmed. It's in the quote (from wiki) that I posted (that was also ignored -_-). Shows like Avatar are only considered "anime-inspired animation". I would do that yes. Yeah, but it's a quote from WIKI. Most things on Wikipedia are true, but these things get written by various people everyday, maybe a "fan" wrote that piece and the WikiPeople left it like that, thinking it was right? Not that it matters, but Wiki isn't all that reliable. :P |
| ^ That's true, but anything that's false or does not have enough basis is deleted :P And what I posted here has references: Here are the specific footnotes from that Wiki entry - http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art4260.asp http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au/__data/page/9842/Tezuka_Kit_1.pdf http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anime That's why I was asking where you got your idea. Not saying you're wrong or anything like that, but I'd really like to see where you got all your information. I know there are people who share the same opinion as you but they haven't really given me enough basis on why they think so.. And what's so bad about being a fan? Aren't you a fan yourself? ^_^ I just thought that you're putting a negative connotation on the word :( could be wrong though. |
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| I think Xenzio is right, it's all the same. Animated stuff. I mean, in Japan anime/animation is used for any animated series, be it Western or Japanese. However, I find using anime for Japanese stuff and cartoons for Western stuff to be the best alternative, as they are in many ways very different from each other. But each person to their own opinion =P |
Llama_Guy said: I think Xenzio is right, it's all the same. Animated stuff. I mean, in Japan anime/animation is used for any animated series, be it Western or Japanese. However, I find using anime for Japanese stuff and cartoons for Western stuff to be the best alternative, as they are in many ways very different from each other. But each person to their own opinion =P Don't get me wrong though - I know they're both kinds of animation, but there's still the origin to consider, the style, etc. But yeah, to each his own. :P |
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| Look, a show is a show regardless of what label you put it. The western fandom just took the term and made it its own, that is to be expected. The term "shoujo-ai" is made up as well, it's just something that the fandom uses to differentiate between shows. Who cares how you classify a show, just watch it. Don't worry about it until you are organizing your shelf by genre. |
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| Anime needs a name. Something that we can call the goggly-eyed, long-limbed, pointy-chin style of doing things. So why not just use "anime" since it's already been established? And also, I'm cool with calling Avatar anime, since it fits the style. It's not Japanese anime, but it's anime. |
| I consider anime any series created originally in japan. An animation of an American story in anime style is not a true anime. |
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| anime in japan means all animations, but in the west it has come to mean only japanese animations. so what we call anime is determined by country of origin ^__^ |
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georgi said: Anime is Japanese Made, and is animation. Cartoon is animation, but is not necessarily anime. Consider it like this - an apple is a fruit, but not all fruits are apples. I like this one XD The short and concise way of restating what Dr_Jan_Itor said on page 2 and those are also my view on this. |
| For me, it's an animation that's made by japanese or I can also accept an animation that adapted the japanese style of animation. That's my opinion. |
| well thats true. But i think that the main difference is that Cartoons are generally targeted at children in the west while Anime can be watched by people across a wide spectrum of ages and cultures. It has something to to with the mindset in both the west and east, i suppose. most popular example: Avatar~ While animation atyle etc. remain much the same as japanese anime, it is actually adapted for the western audience, with various facial expressions etc. one would normally find in "Anime" not there, "western style" jokes, puns, "attacks" etc..(on another note, the eyes aren't as big as most anime either^^) Well it just feels too westernised for me, so yes, i'd consider avatar a cartoon. Bascially, yes, to me, the reason why i don't consider many animation collaborations with western companies by japanese companies Anime is because they do not have the basic "Anime" feel, instead adapted for western tastes, thus giving it a western "hollywood" feel, if you can call it that.^^ |
| So you think that titles like Big O II and Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust are not anime? Besides, some of the newer shows are being animated in places like Korea. Does that make them not anime then? To me I use anime as something based off of animation from Japan. However, I don't discredit shows here being called anime or shows there being called cartoons. I remember in Fruits Basket where Uo was comparing Kyo and Yuki to the american "anime" something and Jerry, refering to Tom and Jerry. It's better than what my mom would call them "funny eyed people." So I guess it's the context of how anime is being used. If it's the Japanese definition then everything is anime. If it's the worlwide definition then it's animation primarily in Japan. I wonder though does Manga have the same problem? I see manga as comic interchangibly without any problem. |
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| from my point of view, if it's a cartoon made in Japan it's an Anime. No I dont consider the Korean stuff Anime. you are free to disagree with me :) |
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| Japan animation= anime American animation= cartoon |
| How would you consider characters that were in computer games first, like Final Fantasy VII? I suppose with Advent Children, they could be anime characters now. |
| People shouldn't be surprised by this. Definition by origin isn't just limited to anime. Did you know that it's not considered champagne unless it's from France? Otherwise it's referred to as sparkling wine. Like champagne, anime has its own history that differs from cartoons. It is an insult to lump them into the same category. |
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