| THE BIG THREE is something that can't be forced. It has to be organic as when NARUTO BLEACH and ONE PIECE were all the best selling manga and all released at the same time in the same magazine. It can't ever be replicated again because series that do well are an anomaly and the magazine is dead. |
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THE BIG THREE is something that can't be forced. It has to be organic as when NARUTO BLEACH and ONE PIECE were all the best selling manga and all released at the same time in the same magazine. It can't ever be replicated again because series that do well are an anomaly and the magazine is dead.
| @zoomerReviewer thank you, was literally about to type this. There is NEVER going to be another big 3. |
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| There will never be big 3 again like one piece/naruto/bleach, because three of them were releasead in similar time and were top 3 on table of contests rankings side by side very frequently when bleach and naruto run in the magazine. |
| Greatest shitposter under the heavens. |
| @Confused_100 It took you a hundred rounds of mental gymnastics to almost grasp what “niche” means, only to trip over your own confusion again. Niche doesn’t mean unpopular. Psyren was fairly popular before getting axed — it just never reached the audience it could’ve, and now it’s a cult classic. Hell’s Paradise and Demon Slayer pre-anime are recent examples: popular, but with smaller reach. That’s what niche means — smaller and less widespread. You literally quoted a Google definition that supports this. What do you think “specialized segment of the market” means? By your logic, if “not for all audiences” = niche, then every existing piece of media is niche. You’re labeling Chainsaw Man and Tokyo Ghoul — both mainstream titles selling over 30 million copies — as niche, while ignoring series that actually need attention. Your whole misunderstanding stems from having seen maybe ten popular shows and calling the least mainstream among them “niche,” when they’re all mainstream by definition. The only thing shrinking here is your coherence, but sure. Also saying that Chainsaw Man, a manga published in a weekly magazine marketed towards 13-17 as exactly that is pedophilic? Quite possibly the most outrageously copious, ignorant anime tourist garbage I've ever heard. Every Shonen Jump title is aimed at teens. That’s the most basic anime knowledge imaginable. The Big 3 are made for teens. Hell, five of the six shows on your profile (excluding Steins;Gate) are all under-18 material. It has nothing to do with “dark” or “perverse” themes — they all follow the same digestible battle Shonen formula that appeals to hormonal teenagers. You're seriously insinuating that a desperate virgin wanting to touch tits appeals more to mature adults than dumb horny teenagers, and that makes this even more laughable. In case you started anime yesterday, nobody watches it for moral purity. Why do you think ecchi and hentai are massive industries? You’re effectively labeling millions of fans “pedophiles” for knowing exactly what mainstream Shonen is — that’s peak tourism. The “Dark Trio” was an anitube term long before MAPPA’s involvement. See the irony? You didn’t even know it existed until the adaptations made it mainstream — that alone proves my point. It was never meant to be “the new Big 3.” Hell’s Paradise isn’t even close to that level of popularity, and everyone knows the Big 3 just means “the three most popular shonen of their era.” Your obsession with redefining it is a nothingburger. The three-part plan for CSM was mentioned but never confirmed. Fans have openly discussed the possibility of a Part 3 for years. "Part 2 is selling worse than part 1" and the anime hasn’t even adapted half of Part 1 yet. It’ll easily boost interest for the next decade. But as usual, you gloss over points you can’t refute. A desperate virgin mc is categorically a loser mc. Naruto, an orphan with no friends shunned by his whole village as a kid, is a loser mc. Tanjiro, who failed to save his family, is a loser mc. Deku, born without powers, is a loser mc. The entire shonen formula is “loser becomes strong, saves the world.” You'd have to be media illiterate of some sort to not grasp the idea. Now clue me in — how are ghouls and devils remotely similar beyond being horror creatures? Clue me in on how the explicit physical torture of Tokyo Ghoul is comparable to denji's psychological torment? What an ocean of copious horseshit. You’re comparing two thematically opposite series and pretending one wouldn’t exist without the other. Tokyo Ghoul explores “what makes monsters human,” bogged down by edgy, mid-tier writing, while Chainsaw Man examines heteronormative manipulation and emotional exploitation. Both copied more from Devilman than each other. And if you’d actually known of FLCL or Monogatari — CSM’s clearer influences — you wouldn’t make such asinine claims. And that gem — “if one is mid, the other is easily mid.” Brilliant. Dragonball and Saint Seiya are pretty mid and dated today, so that must make every battle Shonen that came after mid. You are truly a genius of our times. People can respect Dragon Ball’s legacy, but nobody with modern attention span can sit through 100+ episodes of padding that could fit in 50. Its biggest influence was normalizing the absurd powerscaling and transformation clichés that made Naruto and Bleach subjects of criticism later on. Battle Shonen literally thrives on copying past titles and trying to formulate it better, and what's Big 3 or popular then can easily be replaced by the next ones. I like how you tried to deflect your "my favorites vs yours" assertions but then ends the paragraph with "makes all animes you cared for storytelling wise look like garbage." Listen, I can easily namedrop my least favorite anime and tell you how much it shits on Omniscient Normie's Garbage and the ten other mainstream titles you’ve binged — but that’d be too easy. Yes, JJK is mid. Demon Slayer is worse. And since you brought it up, Solo Leveling is a paint-by-numbers power fantasy, easily the weakest show in this entire discussion. It’s not even Shonen, it’s a webtoon — with far less reach than Chainsaw Man. Claiming it “has more chance” just outs your bias. Also, funny how you think criticizing these titles is some hot take when a glance at my profile shows Bleach is my favorite battle shonen. Oh, and the plural is “anime,” not “animes,” you tourist. And I love how you dropped this gem and ran: "Them and Dragon ball are literally the pillars along with hxh and jojo. There are a few exceptions like berserk, fmab, vinland saga, tokyo ghouls, and code geass but that’s it." First of all, Berserk and Vinland Saga are Seinen. HxH over YYH? You don’t even realize YYH was Bleach’s biggest influence, popularized tournament arcs, and laid the groundwork for modern battle shonen storytelling - and it shows. Tokyo Ghoul and Code Geass as "exceptions"? Give me a break LMAO. You’ve just listed the ten anime you’ve watched and deluded yourself into thinking the whole industry revolves around them. Here’s the core of it: “Big 3” refers purely to popularity — not influence, not writing, not being timeless masterpieces. Even the “only one Big 3” crowd agrees. They weren’t the best-written shows of their time. One Piece might be an exception because it’s long-running and arguably improves over time — but its early arcs haven’t aged gracefully. It’s literally where the “it gets good after 200 episodes” meme came from. Even Naruto is technically ongoing in the form of Boruto but that'd be too embarrassing to even discuss. If a single season and a movie can dethrone all three in popularity charts, then their status was always fickle. Demon Slayer and JJK are outselling One Piece in recent data, yet everyone admits their stories are mid and propped up by animation. Fans ten years from now will view JJK and Demon Slayer the same way you view your nostalgia trio — and that’s just poetic. Come find me again when the next Ufotable Shonen project kicks your “Big 3” off the charts. You treat them as “building blocks” while glazing JoJo and Dragon Ball as “godfathers,” when both copied Saint Seiya, Fist of the North Star, Devilman, and other predecessors. Keep ignoring history, but the fact remains: Mazinger Z, Gundam, Evangelion, Akira, Ghost in the Shell, and Ghibli films among others shaped anime far beyond what your Big 3 ever did. |
TheRailTracerMALOct 8, 3:29 AM
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@Confused_100 It was never 1 anime that made the anime industry flourish, 1 of anything cannot do that otherwise there wouldn't be an industry if it was just the 1 thing. I think Studio Ghibli was mostly responsible for that even more than dragonball, but if we go by genres only then you have like battle shounen and stuff like that then sure dragonball, saint seiya and fist of the north star those definitely made a significant impact just people seem to always praise dragonball but dragonball did also copy from the others I mentioned
My take on everything is that during the early 2000's is when western TV started really putting it on television dubbed for kids to watch before schools and that's when you saw the most popularity and growth around the early 2000's... 80's was like peak anime for japan, then in the 90's it started kinda dying out a bit and made a come back again when western world picked it up.
My take on everything is that during the early 2000's is when western TV started really putting it on television dubbed for kids to watch before schools and that's when you saw the most popularity and growth around the early 2000's... 80's was like peak anime for japan, then in the 90's it started kinda dying out a bit and made a come back again when western world picked it up.
| @AnimeDownUnder He unironically believes Big 3 singlehandedly "saved" anime, also naming random popular titles like Tokyo Ghoul and Code Geass as "exceptions." The guy doesn't know what he's talking about. |
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ToumaTachibana said:
@Confused_100 CSM was never niché, it was already popular even before the Anime was released in 2022 and its still popular.
@Confused_100 CSM was never niché, it was already popular even before the Anime was released in 2022 and its still popular.
Not as popular as DS, JJK or my hero and most likely won’t reach them ever. Its sales after anime didn’t change as much. It actually dropped in a lot of cases. That’s called niche compared to what happened to these 3.
CSM is in the veins of let’s say tokyo ghouls type of thing.
Confused_100 said: So pretty much the entire anime/manga industry is niche lol? You sell in to the top ten ever in your run, as a manga you are not niche. Not as popular as DS, JJK or my hero and most likely won’t reach them ever. That's incredibly melodramatic/misinformed. They were important works, in inspiring the 2000s anime fandom, however, in the late 2000s, the industry started to contract in profits, even when these works were popular, due to the financial crisis of the late 2000s and before that, the industry was in a very stagnant situation, where there was very little growth in the 2000s. As a young anime fan, in the mid/late 2000s, when the Big 3 was massive, all I heard was how the anime industry was literally dying. The anime industry didn't start growing again until around 2012/2013 if you look at the AJA data, which is basically at the end of Naruto's life span. I mean Bleach was only a top 3 seller once, in its run lol. Saying it saved the anime/manga industry is a stretch, at least compared to the other two. Works like Nana, sold better in many of the years, they competed against each other. What the big 3 does deserve credit for, is building the international community (really this the only relevant use of the term/besides talking about WSJ's publishing history), which is helping the anime industry as whole, right now. Though you could easily give other works like AOT a lot of credit for that too (Death Note was another if you want to pick out 2000s shows), and frankly I would give it more nowadays, since newer fans are more likely to watch a series of that length compared to the Big 3. The real boom in the popularity of anime occurred in the 2010s/2020s, after the Big 3 era. Regardless, the domestic otaku fanbase, would have kept anime alive, with the big 3 or without it. The industry would be way less healthy TBF, though you could argue that is true if you take away any big modern action series, from this industry. Still like just saying the big anime of the 2000s, were only works like the Big 3, and ignoring massive major hits in the otaku scene, like Haruhi or K-On!, is kinda out there lol. Even if those works never hit outside of Japan, to the degree the Big 3 did, they were huge domestically, and back in the 2000s, Japan mattered the most by far. I mean even then, you had that Haruhi YouTube AMV that had an insane view count, it was big back then. Confused_100 said: Within media, we use the term niche, to indicate it's for a smaller specialized audience (yes it means specialized dude, most people are aware of this, though commonly it's used to indicate non mainstream within media spaces). Again you aren't selling in the top 10, if you don't have wide audience support, so even if you use the literal term meaning, your argument doesn't make a lick of sense lol. Bro thinks niche means unpopular lol. Confused_100 said: The explosion of anime, around the world can be attributed to many works breaking out like Akira, Ghilbi, Sailor Moon. Dragon Ball was just the most prominent, however, attributing world wide anime popularity to just it would be a pretty bad argument. Plus it's pretty region dependent, Europe for instance was into anime, earlier due to works like Masterpiece Theatre getting popular over there. Saint Seiya was huge in South America, though virtually unheard of in the English speaking fandom. I think for female fans, in the 90s most came in through again works like Sailor Moon, or Utena rather than DBZ. You could say that but dragon ball is the thing that made anime industry flourish around the world, hence the name. Confused_100 said: Do you? It’s like dealing with a psychopath tourist who never understood anime history |
BilboBaggins365Oct 8, 10:08 AM
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@BilboBaggins365 No? Because the comment you took out of context there has nothing to do with niche but impact. Yes it’s a fact that DS, JJK and MHA won’t be as impactful as the big three because literally two of them ended and still sold less than bleach. Only I can admit to DS out of the three because it impacted everything. But even then, it’s not as impactful as bleach which influenced many animes and mangas today.
Anime as industry actually was dying but those three saved the industry at their time. Tell me one anime that impacted and remembered at the time 2005? In 2011 is after the big three already impacted and saved anime industry, so thanks for proving my point there.
By your logic in final paragraph is that spyxfamily, sakamoto days, apothecary diaries, blue lock, frieren are all big three material. See the problem here? They all achieved so much more than Dandadan, and CSM as overall sales.
Anime as industry actually was dying but those three saved the industry at their time. Tell me one anime that impacted and remembered at the time 2005? In 2011 is after the big three already impacted and saved anime industry, so thanks for proving my point there.
By your logic in final paragraph is that spyxfamily, sakamoto days, apothecary diaries, blue lock, frieren are all big three material. See the problem here? They all achieved so much more than Dandadan, and CSM as overall sales.
Confused_100 said: Bleach's lifetime sales were 130 million, Demon Slayer sold 82 million copies in one year. Also DS has sold more than Bleach, IDK where your data is coming from however, the life time sales of Bleach was 130 million over 15 years, DS sold 220 million in 4, JJK sold 100 million in six, those are more impressive numbers than Bleach, especially when you consider how much digital is cutting into traditional publishing (digital sales are not tracked). Even MHA sold 100 million in 10, which isn't that far off what Bleach did, they are absolutely on that level. No? Because the comment you took out of context there has nothing to do with niche but impact. Yes it’s a fact that DS, JJK and MHA won’t be as impactful as the big three because literally two of them ended and still sold less than bleach. Naruto and sure One Piece, are the two works I would say yes transcend JJK and MHA off sales/popularity but DS? Again selling 82 million in on year, in an age of increasing digital popularity is insanely impressive. Confused_100 said: Influence really doesn't matter that much, there are plenty of super influential anime, that most people don't know of/don't watch. I am just talking sales here. But even then, it’s not as impactful as bleach which influenced many animes and mangas today. Confused_100 said: WHy specifically 2005, literally 06 you got Haruhi, Code Geass, Fate, Ouran HS Club (was huge when it came out), Gintama, Nana (which again sold more than Bleach in the years it ran together). Anime as industry actually was dying but those three saved the industry at their time. Tell me one anime that impacted and remembered at the time 2005? Even looking back on 2005, sure there aren't a lot of works that have had sustained popularity/memory but in the late 2000s? Works like Eureka Seven or Shakugan no Shana were very popular, I mean I was there, as pretty new fan anyway. Regardless, this isn't who is more popular than what. Yeah the Big 3 was big lol. The point is though, the anime industry had a lot of major success, outside of it, or incredibly influential works (Haruhi, Azumanga Daioh, Lucky Star and K-on! I would argue all had more important influences on the current industry that Bleach). If you are arguing it was the sole reason we have anime today, yeah that is an insane proposition, which is why you are being laughed at, especially if you are putting Bleach, a manga that sold in the top 3 once in it's life span as a work that saved everything. Confused_100 said: You realize that Frieren and The Apothecary Diaries, were #3 and #4 in manga sales last year right? Like do you only watch/care about battle shonen or something lol? For someone that makes fun of the knowledge of other fans, you seem to lack it in other areas. Also Frieren has been popular outside of the anime community, getting into DnD spaces, and just general Western fantasy book spaces I hang out in. I don't know why you are knocking that series lol. By your logic in final paragraph is that spyxfamily, sakamoto days, apothecary diaries, blue lock, frieren are all big three material. Confused_100 said: I mean.....yeah Frieren is more popular than CSM....what is the argument here lol?They all achieved so much more than Dandadan, and CSM as overall sales. |
BilboBaggins365Oct 8, 10:32 AM
Confused_100 said: I gave you the sales figures dude lol. MHA sold more volumes on average, per year than Bleach did, in a period where traditional publishing is down. It hasn't outsold Bleach, however, it is in fact comparable. JJK on the other hand, is 30 million off, and did it in like 1/3 of the time. If you are comparing sales numbers you have to consider how long they were in publishing, and how many volumes came out. Unless you think Golgo 13 is bigger than Dragon Ball? MHA? Doubt it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_manga Confused_100 said: We aren't talking about good, we are talking about sales numbers, that said the 2000s? That's probably literally one of the best decades of anime lol, in terms of just having a lot of varied good shows for almost everyone. Early digital animation was rough, however, sci fi/mecha weren't dead yet, you had the SOL boom, Romance was doing well. battle shonen was as said, doing well, you had a decent amount of older targeted/experimental works, the shojo demographic had yet to go through it's big decline (until it's somewhat resurgence in the form of otome works). It was a very good decade, with 2006 being of the better years for anime, when you look back on in hindsight. There were some exceptions for sure but most animes weren’t even good Subjectively, I would say along with the 80s those two decades, were some of the best periods of anime ever, with the 2010s just trailing behind. Confused_100 said: Nana sold less, I said in many years Nana outsold it. 2007, the top volume for Nana was higher than Bleach https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-12-31/japanese-comic-ranking-top-10-manga-of-2007 2005/2006 Bleach wasn't in the top ten, and Nana was. In 05, it had the best selling volumes, that year. 08 was the year Bleach surpassed it just barely and then it went on hiatus in 09. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1372822 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1373034 Also I never said Gintama outsold Bleach, what I said it was a huge series that came out in that decade, extremely big in Japan and that is reflected in it's manga sales and overall popularity. That said K-on!? That franchise racked up like 200 million dollars worth of merch lol. I absolutely will say it was individually at least on par with Bleach lol. That might be underselling how big that IP was if anything. Confused_100 said: There is no "debunking" the "Big 3" is a Western term, that only people in the West use. It only applies to WSJ publishing (and only really because of HxH's issues) and the how these works were received abroad, and even then you can debate that to some extent (could differ by gender). If we are just going off official sales metrics, Bleach only sold top 3 in the industry once. So yeah that term never made sense applied to the broader anime/manga industry in Japan.My point was saying that CSM is niche and the logic of it being next big three for some people here is debunked by same logic they are applying to put it in first place. Edit: Also it's just an antiquated idea. Even casual anime fans today, watch more than three shows. Cause in terms of impact again works like AOT are on the level of some of those Big 3 works in terms of popularity abroad, however, you just have an increased amount of people who watch action shonen who will check out a SOL series, rom com or older demographic work, compared to in the past. The Big 3 were the Big 3, because that often is all that was talked/watched by average casual anime fans. They didn't really known what was coming out, which isn't really the case today, if you are causally into this hobby. If MAL/social media isn't promoting new shows to you, the legal platforms people watch anime on are, and they are often checking them out. And really IDC about that lol. The big reason I am even responding to this is your assertion that those three "saved the industry" is dumb, especially Bleach. At least with Naruto and One Piece, they were consistent top 3 sellers, and sure stand out like Dragon Ball, like Demon Slayer, as flagships for the industry. Still even if Demon Slayer didn't exist, or these other works didn't exist, the industry still would. "Saved" implies there would be nothing, which is just dumb lol, especially when the 2000s have tons of huge hits, that did well with the otaku market. Like even looking at Dragon Ball, a series that really helped anime be popularized internationally, anime was doing fine in the mecha/sci fi boom before that. Fist the North Star was doing fine in Jump. We would have yes a very different industry without those works; however, the medium had existed fine without them too. Not as big, probably, though again "survival" isn't about popularity lol. Just backtrack dude, that position is pretty indefensible. |
BilboBaggins365Oct 8, 1:42 PM
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@BilboBaggins365 I don’t know why I find it funny that you saying bleach didn’t do much then proceed to share a link that shows otherwise. Plus your logic can be applied by “well it’s a different time line, manga wasn’t selling that high worldwide compared to now”, or will we say no?
In 2000s best decade of anime? Better than 2010s? Better than 2020s? Better than ever 1990s? Best varied? Cap… The funny thing no, things were either: Shounen, mecha, high school drama or ecchi compared to 2010s, which had made in abyss, AOT, Mob psycho, vivy, ranking of kings. Many series in 2000s actually look worse thab 1990s classics like cowboy bebop or ghost in the shell. Also 2000s is where most fillers were created around that era. But guess who popularised anime? The big three, pokemon from 90s, death note and FMAB.
Bleach visual flair (cloth design and known now as drip). It had influence in character design and stylistic risks. Ironically it and Naruto introduced the animation style that is used by MAPPA today. Yes without big three MAPPA animation style wouldn’t be as big. Where do you think the famous animators come from today? The big three are the foundation of anime now. MAPPA didn’t take from Madhouse more than it took from a naruto episode.
Who was the face of anime in 2000s? It was ichigo, naruto and luffy. They were the most popular, longest running and culturally dominant shounen series in 2000s. Or will we act that’s not true?
And you don’t get why dragon ball is known as godfather of anime either. But atleast I gave you some information to look up before disrespecting the big three like that. Understand that without big three, the animes you take about today wouldn’t have been as popular or wouldn’t have the animations they are so famous for.
Now you backtrack and research why they are called big three other than thinking it’s just “manga sales”
In 2000s best decade of anime? Better than 2010s? Better than 2020s? Better than ever 1990s? Best varied? Cap… The funny thing no, things were either: Shounen, mecha, high school drama or ecchi compared to 2010s, which had made in abyss, AOT, Mob psycho, vivy, ranking of kings. Many series in 2000s actually look worse thab 1990s classics like cowboy bebop or ghost in the shell. Also 2000s is where most fillers were created around that era. But guess who popularised anime? The big three, pokemon from 90s, death note and FMAB.
Bleach visual flair (cloth design and known now as drip). It had influence in character design and stylistic risks. Ironically it and Naruto introduced the animation style that is used by MAPPA today. Yes without big three MAPPA animation style wouldn’t be as big. Where do you think the famous animators come from today? The big three are the foundation of anime now. MAPPA didn’t take from Madhouse more than it took from a naruto episode.
Who was the face of anime in 2000s? It was ichigo, naruto and luffy. They were the most popular, longest running and culturally dominant shounen series in 2000s. Or will we act that’s not true?
And you don’t get why dragon ball is known as godfather of anime either. But atleast I gave you some information to look up before disrespecting the big three like that. Understand that without big three, the animes you take about today wouldn’t have been as popular or wouldn’t have the animations they are so famous for.
Now you backtrack and research why they are called big three other than thinking it’s just “manga sales”
Confused_100 said: Well I find it funny too, since that isn't what I said. We can all create straw mans or misrepresent people. I don’t know why I find it funny that you saying bleach didn’t do much Confused_100 said: No it can't because what is actually tracked is physical sales, and industry wide those are down from when Bleach aired, as Japan has really switched over to digital consumption. Digital sales are not tracked, we don't know what those are. I told you why, I can make that argument, so I am starting to wonder if you are reading anything I wrote lol. Plus your logic can be applied by “well it’s a different time line, manga wasn’t selling that high worldwide compared to now”, or will we say no? Confused_100 said: Hmmm.....I don't think I did say it wasn't a very popular manga did I? Please provide the quote? It was a consistent top ten seller, and ran for a long time, it deserves credit for that. The only thing I have asserted is that there were in fact other works (a handful out of thousands) that were just as impactful, and that Bleach outside of one year was never in the top 3, which is not subjective just fact. Yes Bleach was one of the most popular manga/anime of its age, it just didn't freaking 'save the industry" lol. Other works were doing fine, and making plenty of money. then proceed to share a link that shows otherwise. Confused_100 said: Yeah the 2010s sci fi/mecha died/became not very relevant, and basically stayed that way, which alienated older fans, or people like me who love those genres. So yes objectively the 2000s had more variety on that alone, and also shojo media really took a hit in that decade too, though due to otome isekai coming back, female targeted works are doing okay in the 2020s. Like I gave you my reasons why, you can not agree, or not care, fine however, there is an objective reason why someone could argue in favour of the 2000s, depending on what you prioritize. If you don't care about mecha/sci fi you may not understand why I love the 80s so much which is fine. In 2000s best decade of anime? Better than 2010s? Better than 2020s? Better than ever 1990s? Confused_100 said: Yeah a TV series doesn't look as good as feature film wow, and also SAC is better than the 95 film, plus it visually does hold up quite well, so yeah.... Plus it's easy to cherry pick. Redline looks better than both examples you gave me. Mushishi has some of the best background art in any anime I have seen...Many series in 2000s actually look worse thab 1990s classics like cowboy bebop or ghost in the shell. Confused_100 said: 90s are kinda overrated honestly, the first half of the decade really struggled, due to the financial crisis, taking away a lot of funding, the industry had in the 80s. I mean most scholars on the industry consider the 80s to be the Golden Age due to all the funding it had, and how that allowed the creation of so many short OVAs, notable films and long shows. That was the decade when anime truly "boomed" and created the industry we have today.Better than ever 1990s? When most people say they are 90s anime fans, they are talking about the latter half of the decade, which is still solid, though again judging the entire decade, I think the 80s were consistent in the amount of good content, from start to finish, even if they also did better at the end. Still, in my subjective opinion, which I am not arguing with you about, I think all decades, are actually pretty close in quality, and it just really depends on what you value. Confused_100 said: Yeah shonen series, and yeah shonen series matter the most in casual Western spaces, and they were very impactful in Japan of course. I am not downplaying that, I am saying it was not everything, nor even close to that.....I am not saying they weren't some of the most popular anime/manga of their day. I am saying they weren't the only big titles, and tons of other works were supporting the industry. Who was the face of anime in 2000s? It was ichigo, naruto and luffy. They were the most popular, longest running and culturally dominant shounen series in 2000s. Confused_100 said: Tezuka literally has the title "God of Manga" attached to his name. Toriyama would be embarrassed for you, if you argued that in front of him. The industry has hugely important titles that came out before DB/DBZ ever did. Maybe you should go watch some of those lol before calling others tourists.And you don’t get why dragon ball is known as godfather of anime either. Confused_100 said: Welp never argued that. DBZ/DB was very important for wider anime popularity. That said...you didn't argue that lol. You argued the industry would be dead and that is hilariously ignorant.the animes you take about today wouldn’t have been as popular or wouldn’t have the animations they are so famous for. |
BilboBaggins365Oct 8, 3:40 PM
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BilboBaggins365 said:
When most people say they are 90s anime fans, they are talking about the latter half of the decade, which is still solid, though again judging the entire decade, I think the 80s were consistent in the amount of good content, from start to finish, even if they also did better at the end. Still, in my subjective opinion, which I am not arguing with you about, I think all decades, are actually pretty close in quality, and it just really depends on what you value.
Confused_100 said:
I don’t know why I find it funny that you saying bleach didn’t do much
Well I find it funny too, since that isn't what I said. We can all create straw mans or misrepresent people. I don’t know why I find it funny that you saying bleach didn’t do much
Confused_100 said:
Plus your logic can be applied by “well it’s a different time line, manga wasn’t selling that high worldwide compared to now”, or will we say no?
No it can't because what is actually tracked is physical sales, and industry wide those are down from when Bleach aired, as Japan has really switched over to digital consumption. Digital sales are not tracked, we don't know what those are. I told you why, I can make that argument, so I am starting to wonder if you are reading anything I wrote lol. Plus your logic can be applied by “well it’s a different time line, manga wasn’t selling that high worldwide compared to now”, or will we say no?
Confused_100 said:
then proceed to share a link that shows otherwise.
Hmmm.....I don't think I did say it wasn't a very popular manga did I? Please provide the quote? It was a consistent top ten seller, and ran for a long time, it deserves credit for that. The only thing I have asserted is that there were in fact other works (a handful out of thousands) that were just as impactful, and that Bleach outside of one year was never in the top 3, which is not subjective just fact. Yes Bleach was one of the most popular manga/anime of its age, it just didn't freaking 'save the industry" lol. Other works were doing fine, and making plenty of money. then proceed to share a link that shows otherwise.
Confused_100 said:
In 2000s best decade of anime? Better than 2010s? Better than 2020s? Better than ever 1990s?
Yeah the 2010s sci fi/mecha died/became not very relevant, and basically stayed that way, which alienated older fans, or people like me who love those genres. So yes objectively the 2000s had more variety on that alone, and also shojo media really took a hit in that decade too, though due to otome isekai coming back, female targeted works are doing okay in the 2020s. Like I gave you my reasons why, you can not agree, or not care, fine however, there is an objective reason why someone could argue in favour of the 2000s, depending on what you prioritize. If you don't care about mecha/sci fi you may not understand why I love the 80s so much which is fine. In 2000s best decade of anime? Better than 2010s? Better than 2020s? Better than ever 1990s?
Confused_100 said:
Many series in 2000s actually look worse thab 1990s classics like cowboy bebop or ghost in the shell.
Yeah a TV series doesn't look as good as feature film wow, and also SAC is better than the 95 film, plus it visually does hold up quite well, so yeah.... Plus it's easy to cherry pick. Redline looks better than both examples you gave me. Mushishi has some of the best background art in any anime I have seen...Many series in 2000s actually look worse thab 1990s classics like cowboy bebop or ghost in the shell.
Confused_100 said:
Better than ever 1990s?
90s are kinda overrated honestly, the first half of the decade really struggled, due to the financial crisis, taking away a lot of funding, the industry had in the 80s. I mean most scholars on the industry consider the 80s to be the Golden Age due to all the funding it had, and how that allowed the creation of so many short OVAs, notable films and long shows. That was the decade when anime truly "boomed" and created the industry we have today.Better than ever 1990s?
When most people say they are 90s anime fans, they are talking about the latter half of the decade, which is still solid, though again judging the entire decade, I think the 80s were consistent in the amount of good content, from start to finish, even if they also did better at the end. Still, in my subjective opinion, which I am not arguing with you about, I think all decades, are actually pretty close in quality, and it just really depends on what you value.
Confused_100 said:
Who was the face of anime in 2000s? It was ichigo, naruto and luffy. They were the most popular, longest running and culturally dominant shounen series in 2000s.
Yeah shonen series, and yeah shonen series matter the most in casual Western spaces, and they were very impactful in Japan of course. I am not downplaying that, I am saying it was not everything, nor even close to that.....I am not saying they weren't some of the most popular anime/manga of their day. I am saying they weren't the only big titles, and tons of other works were supporting the industry. Who was the face of anime in 2000s? It was ichigo, naruto and luffy. They were the most popular, longest running and culturally dominant shounen series in 2000s.
Confused_100 said:
And you don’t get why dragon ball is known as godfather of anime either.
Tezuka literally has the title "God of Manga" attached to his name. Toriyama would be embarrassed for you, if you argued that in front of him. The industry has hugely important titles that came out before DB/DBZ ever did. Maybe you should go watch some of those lol before calling others tourists.And you don’t get why dragon ball is known as godfather of anime either.
Confused_100 said:
the animes you take about today wouldn’t have been as popular or wouldn’t have the animations they are so famous for.
Welp never argued that. DBZ/DB was very important for wider anime popularity. That said...you didn't argue that lol. You argued the industry would be dead and that is hilariously ignorant.the animes you take about today wouldn’t have been as popular or wouldn’t have the animations they are so famous for.
@BilboBaggins365 I didn’t misrepresent or draw strawman statements. But drawing a conclusion by you saying “so what
, other mangas got more sales than it when it was running”. That was literally your argument about Bleach not achieving that much to be in big three. You ironically proceeded to ignore the point of who was the face of anime in 2000s worldwide… It’s like you couldn’t refute it so you went with actual strawman arguments.
You even acted like sales didn’t increase compared to the timeline of bleach and stated a false statement about digital sales. As we know from rankings from oricon digital… So oricon itself shows that it is tracking sales, just doesn’t divulge the numbers. So revise your statements because clearly you didn’t research in both cases.
And I am gonna start quoting you because I just found out that you created a fake quote for some reason.
In 2010s scifi died? Again cap. Parasyte, Darking in the FranXX. Even mecha didn’t die, gundum was still a thing but less. It’s actually more varied in 2010s than 2000s by miles. Just admit that you don’t know how significant big three were at their times, compared to nowadays where everything is more varied. Now I gave the actual OBJECTIVE reason as to why big three were more significant with how less varied animes were in 2000s.
You proceeded to accuse me of cherry picking yet cherry picking on ghost in the shell and ignoring cowboy bebop… Hmm I am very curious. I will start to ignore some concepts you say now because you have shown that you are projecting and misrepresenting what I say on purpose while showing no research.
90s are overrated… Cool your opinion but it’s ironically was a better shape than first half of 2000s, big three were there to help anime up.
Saying it is everything or not wasn’t the point. They were the face of anime even in Japan. Go open google and see how Japan were putting their faces everywhere more than one off wonders. Who controlled tv worldwide? The big three. Who controlled it even in Japan? The big three. They were the face of anime. Shounen or not wasn’t the main point. It’s like acting Pokemon wasn’t one of the faces of anime in 90s. Or Dragon ball even…
Well bad news for you, if you search for grandfather of modern shounen in google. There’s a reason Oda respected Toriyama more than anyone and keeps referencing his takes in one piece while explicitly saying it…
Saying it would be dead without big three is true, as you ignored the animation and animators talking points… Plus like I said you are projecting and I proved it here. If you do it again, I will start ignoring you, but I will quote you since you proved you are insincere
Confused_100 said: You do actually because you made an assertion I never made, and then failed to provide proof of me making those statements, because I never made them. I never said Bleach was an irrelevant, or unpopular or even semi popular work. Yet you attacked me arguing that I was saying that it wasn't highly popular, which again I never said ergo you did. I didn’t misrepresent or draw strawman statements. Confused_100 said: My argument is attacking your point that somehow works like Bleach saved the anime industry to clarify here. I am bringing up the point that Bleach only sold top 3 once, not to attack it as a work but rather to highlight there were plenty of other big works in that decade.That was literally your argument about Bleach not achieving that much to be in big three. Confused_100 said: You literally can't quantify that, and again I am attacking you on the premise that Bleach helped "save the anime industry". While world wide popularity matters now, in the 2000s? It was not that significant, Japan was the market that mattered. You ironically proceeded to ignore the point of who was the face of anime in 2000s worldwide Confused_100 said: Well that is the point right? It makes it hard to track, if we don't know the numbers, still whatever, even if they are actually factored into total sales, which I don't know, I will admit fault if that is true, it's still doesn't undermine that per volume, per year, JJK and DS yes sold better and MHA is on par there...I don't need to say more, the numbers say it. and stated a false statement about digital sales. As we know from rankings from oricon digital… So oricon itself shows that it is tracking sales, just doesn’t divulge the numbers. Confused_100 said: Oh STFU about your cap lol. Have you actually got into old sci fi/mecha anime? They used to dominate the industry, the biggest shows were sci fi. Parasyte is barely sci fi, it's more horror, Darling in the Frankxx, a few solid Gundam entries, Gridman, Aldnoah.Zero were some of the few titles we got for mecha in that decade, compare that to the 80s which had Macross, numerous Gundam entries, Votoms, Gunbuster, Bubblegum Crisis, and then outside of mecha Space Cobra, Dirty Pair, Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Midnight Eye Gokuu, Appleseed, Dominion Tank Police, like this is a lot of the entire library of anime of that decade. What major work in that decade outside of Psycho Pass, and those you named were that relevant? Yes dude, it didn't totally die, it's just in a significant decline compare to where it even was in the 2000s. If you like those genres, as a result the 2000s and in the past look better....how is that hard to understand lol? n 2010s scifi died? Again cap. Parasyte, Darking in the FranXX. Like honestly update your MAL, I would like to know how big of a sci fi/mecha fan you are to make this claim. All fans of this genre, that I have talked to, including myself, feel it has significantly declined over the decades. We basically are looking for scraps, and sometimes they are really good. I am looking forward to Gnosia this season but it's nowhere near where it used to be, and it's rarity where you get something actually new, and not just old franchises like Gundam or the remake of GITS (which I am still looking forward to). Confused_100 said: Yeah IDK, I literally grew up with these shows as they were airing lol. I literally watched Naruto Shippuden pretty much seasonally through its entire run lol. Yet IDK how important they were on the community yeah okay lol. Just admit that you don’t know how significant big three were at their times, compared to nowadays where everything is more varied. Confused_100 said: Uh not curious, I am just pointing out how stupid your argument is because you can take one work, and compare it to anything to make it look better. Redline is better looking than Bebop too. I am not taking single shows, and comparing them to other shows and then saying that is making a whole point about an entire decade of media, you are doing that. I would rather not do that, so let's drop this cherry picking nonsense, I don't even have strong opinions on what decade is better, only that yeah the 2000s were a good decade. You proceeded to accuse me of cherry picking yet cherry picking on ghost in the shell and ignoring cowboy bebop… Hmm I am very curious. Confused_100 said: Yeah and international markets didn't matter much, if you looked at the data, and Japanese fans had more diverse interests that just the Big 3, I have named some pretty big titles. Again the only assertion which I keep reminding you, I am debating you on, is the idea they saved anime. No they didn't, regardless of the domination they had over the irrelevant international fandom scene. That isn't the debate, I am not denying that...okay? Naruto and One Piece, at least, were flagship titles of that decade, with Bleach being one of the more popular works...kay..there is no debate on this so you can take your false offence elsewhere. I am challenging you on the idea they saved the entire anime industry, not they weren't highly popular works. I agree they were okay? Saying it is everything or not wasn’t the point. They were the face of anime even in Japan. Go open google and see how Japan were putting their faces everywhere more than one off wonders. Who controlled tv worldwide? The big three. Confused_100 said: Nah I guarantee you the average Japanese otaku cared more about K-On! then Bleach in 2009 lol. Who controlled it even in Japan? The big three. Confused_100 said: Well great, cause again Mr. Misrepresentation I didn't say that works like Naruto and One Piece aren't the faces of anime, I am debating you on the fact the anime industry wouldn't fucking exist, and it would because it had numerous profitable IPs, that had huge fanbases, even if they didn't compare to Naruto and One Piece....okay that is the argument lol. Not that Naruto and One Piece weren't the most popular manga/anime in that decade, cause yeah they were I never challenged that...READ for once lol. . They were the face of anime. Shounen or not wasn’t the main point. It’s like acting Pokemon wasn’t one of the faces of anime in 90s. Or Dragon ball even… Confused_100 said: And if you search "who is the God of Manga" guess whose name comes out. Like again, you keep redirecting your arguments. No one said, that Toriyama wasn't extremely important however, Tezuka basically made the industry Toriyama came to dominate, down to even the aesthetic. And again, he is important for action anime, not every work ever (Tezuka's entire body of work on other hand can be cited for multiple genres, Toriyama had other impacts yes I know, you are just citing DBZ here though). Rumiko Takahashi is more important if you care about rom coms and even SOL works. Tomino is more important for sci fi/mecha and later for influencing Anno and Tomino's influences you could trace to AOT. Riyoko Ikeda and Naoko Takeuchi are both extremely important in the shojo scene, and DBZ didn't really influence these realms much, and yet they also make up what makes anime anime.Well bad news for you, if you search for grandfather of modern shounen in google. There’s a reason Oda respected Toriyama more than anyone and keeps referencing his takes in one piece while explicitly saying it… Confused_100 said: You haven't proved jackshit lol. You are just a battle shonen head, who has an inferiority complex, simply because someone says hey you know other stuff did well in x decade, and hey this other sub genre is important too. That is fucking it lol. Tourist really, you are throwing that at people? You sound way more uneducated and uninterested in large portions of the medium, than most of the people you lord over lol. Just another battle shonen head, that gets upset when people remind him other things exist, and are very important to the art form. Plus like I said you are projecting and I proved it here. If you do it again, I will start ignoring you, but I will quote you since you proved you are insincere |
BilboBaggins365Oct 8, 4:29 PM
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BilboBaggins365 said:
Like honestly update your MAL, I would like to know how big of a sci fi/mecha fan you are to make this claim. All fans of this genre, that I have talked to, including myself, feel it has significantly declined over the decades. We basically are looking for scraps, and sometimes they are really good. I am looking forward to Gnosia this season but it's nowhere near where it used to be, and it's rarity where you get something actually new, and not just old franchises like Gundam or the remake of GITS (which I am still looking forward to).
Confused_100 said:
I didn’t misrepresent or draw strawman statements.
You do actually because you made an assertion I never made, and then failed to provide proof of me making those statements, because I never made them. I never said Bleach was an irrelevant, or unpopular or even semi popular work. Yet you attacked me arguing that I was saying that it wasn't highly popular, which again I never said ergo you did. I didn’t misrepresent or draw strawman statements.
Confused_100 said:
That was literally your argument about Bleach not achieving that much to be in big three.
My argument is attacking your point that somehow works like Bleach saved the anime industry to clarify here. I am bringing up the point that Bleach only sold top 3 once, not to attack it as a work but rather to highlight there were plenty of other big works in that decade.That was literally your argument about Bleach not achieving that much to be in big three.
Confused_100 said:
You ironically proceeded to ignore the point of who was the face of anime in 2000s worldwide
You literally can't quantify that, and again I am attacking you on the premise that Bleach helped "save the anime industry". While world wide popularity matters now, in the 2000s? It was not that significant, Japan was the market that mattered. You ironically proceeded to ignore the point of who was the face of anime in 2000s worldwide
Confused_100 said:
and stated a false statement about digital sales. As we know from rankings from oricon digital… So oricon itself shows that it is tracking sales, just doesn’t divulge the numbers.
Well that is the point right? It makes it hard to track, if we don't know the numbers, still whatever, even if they are actually factored into total sales, which I don't know, I will admit fault if that is true, it's still doesn't undermine that per volume, per year, JJK and DS yes sold better and MHA is on par there...I don't need to say more, the numbers say it. and stated a false statement about digital sales. As we know from rankings from oricon digital… So oricon itself shows that it is tracking sales, just doesn’t divulge the numbers.
Confused_100 said:
n 2010s scifi died? Again cap. Parasyte, Darking in the FranXX.
Oh STFU about your cap lol. Have you actually got into old sci fi/mecha anime? They used to dominate the industry, the biggest shows were sci fi. Parasyte is barely sci fi, it's more horror, Darling in the Frankxx, a few solid Gundam entries, Gridman, Aldnoah.Zero were some of the few titles we got for mecha in that decade, compare that to the 80s which had Macross, numerous Gundam entries, Votoms, Gunbuster, Bubblegum Crisis, and then outside of mecha Space Cobra, Dirty Pair, Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Midnight Eye Gokuu, Appleseed, Dominion Tank Police, like this is a lot of the entire library of anime of that decade. What major work in that decade outside of Psycho Pass, and those you named were that relevant? Yes dude, it didn't totally die, it's just in a significant decline compare to where it even was in the 2000s. If you like those genres, as a result the 2000s and in the past look better....how is that hard to understand lol? n 2010s scifi died? Again cap. Parasyte, Darking in the FranXX.
Like honestly update your MAL, I would like to know how big of a sci fi/mecha fan you are to make this claim. All fans of this genre, that I have talked to, including myself, feel it has significantly declined over the decades. We basically are looking for scraps, and sometimes they are really good. I am looking forward to Gnosia this season but it's nowhere near where it used to be, and it's rarity where you get something actually new, and not just old franchises like Gundam or the remake of GITS (which I am still looking forward to).
Confused_100 said:
Just admit that you don’t know how significant big three were at their times, compared to nowadays where everything is more varied.
Yeah IDK, I literally grew up with these shows as they were airing lol. I literally watched Naruto Shippuden pretty much seasonally through its entire run lol. Yet IDK how important they were on the community yeah okay lol. Just admit that you don’t know how significant big three were at their times, compared to nowadays where everything is more varied.
Confused_100 said:
You proceeded to accuse me of cherry picking yet cherry picking on ghost in the shell and ignoring cowboy bebop… Hmm I am very curious.
Uh not curious, I am just pointing out how stupid your argument is because you can take one work, and compare it to anything to make it look better. Redline is better looking than Bebop too. I am not taking single shows, and comparing them to other shows and then saying that is making a whole point about an entire decade of media, you are doing that. I would rather not do that, so let's drop this cherry picking nonsense, I don't even have strong opinions on what decade is better, only that yeah the 2000s were a good decade. You proceeded to accuse me of cherry picking yet cherry picking on ghost in the shell and ignoring cowboy bebop… Hmm I am very curious.
Confused_100 said:
Saying it is everything or not wasn’t the point. They were the face of anime even in Japan. Go open google and see how Japan were putting their faces everywhere more than one off wonders. Who controlled tv worldwide? The big three.
Yeah and international markets didn't matter much, if you looked at the data, and Japanese fans had more diverse interests that just the Big 3, I have named some pretty big titles. Again the only assertion which I keep reminding you, I am debating you on, is the idea they saved anime. No they didn't, regardless of the domination they had over the irrelevant international fandom scene. That isn't the debate, I am not denying that...okay? Naruto and One Piece, at least, were flagship titles of that decade, with Bleach being one of the more popular works...kay..there is no debate on this so you can take your false offence elsewhere. I am challenging you on the idea they saved the entire anime industry, not they weren't highly popular works. I agree they were okay? Saying it is everything or not wasn’t the point. They were the face of anime even in Japan. Go open google and see how Japan were putting their faces everywhere more than one off wonders. Who controlled tv worldwide? The big three.
Confused_100 said:
Who controlled it even in Japan? The big three.
Nah I guarantee you the average Japanese otaku cared more about K-On! then Bleach in 2009 lol. Who controlled it even in Japan? The big three.
Confused_100 said:
. They were the face of anime. Shounen or not wasn’t the main point. It’s like acting Pokemon wasn’t one of the faces of anime in 90s. Or Dragon ball even…
Well great, cause again Mr. Misrepresentation I didn't say that works like Naruto and One Piece aren't the faces of anime, I am debating you on the fact the anime industry wouldn't fucking exist, and it would because it had numerous profitable IPs, that had huge fanbases, even if they didn't compare to Naruto and One Piece....okay that is the argument lol. Not that Naruto and One Piece weren't the most popular manga/anime in that decade, cause yeah they were I never challenged that...READ for once lol. . They were the face of anime. Shounen or not wasn’t the main point. It’s like acting Pokemon wasn’t one of the faces of anime in 90s. Or Dragon ball even…
Confused_100 said:
Well bad news for you, if you search for grandfather of modern shounen in google. There’s a reason Oda respected Toriyama more than anyone and keeps referencing his takes in one piece while explicitly saying it…
And if you search "who is the God of Manga" guess whose name comes out. Like again, you keep redirecting your arguments. No one said, that Toriyama wasn't extremely important however, Tezuka basically made the industry Toriyama came to dominate, down to even the aesthetic. And again, he is important for action anime, not every work ever (Tezuka's entire body of work on other hand can be cited for multiple genres, Toriyama had other impacts yes I know, you are just citing DBZ here though). Rumiko Takahashi is more important if you care about rom coms and even SOL works. Tomino is more important for sci fi/mecha and later for influencing Anno and Tomino's influences you could trace to AOT. Riyoko Ikeda and Naoko Takeuchi are both extremely important in the shojo scene, and DBZ didn't really influence these realms much, and yet they also make up what makes anime anime.Well bad news for you, if you search for grandfather of modern shounen in google. There’s a reason Oda respected Toriyama more than anyone and keeps referencing his takes in one piece while explicitly saying it…
Confused_100 said:
Plus like I said you are projecting and I proved it here. If you do it again, I will start ignoring you, but I will quote you since you proved you are insincere
You haven't proved jackshit lol. You are just a battle shonen head, who has an inferiority complex, simply because someone says hey you know other stuff did well in x decade, and hey this other sub genre is important too. That is fucking it lol. Tourist really, you are throwing that at people? You sound way more uneducated and uninterested in large portions of the medium, than most of the people you lord over lol. Just another battle shonen head, that gets upset when people remind him other things exist, and are very important to the art form. Plus like I said you are projecting and I proved it here. If you do it again, I will start ignoring you, but I will quote you since you proved you are insincere
Your responses here indicate one thing, guess what it is? You being angry of me labelling other people and not you… Plus you are starting to sound like someone here who kept responding way too long with insults and deflection. It’s very on the nose don’t you think?
Have a nice day, bro.
Btw there always will be ONE big three.
Confused_100 said: Not angry, I just find this whole conversation humorous if anything, I only get angry about serious matters, and I don't talk to people online about them. I don't want to use my free time on that, though granted, it would be probably better if I used it to just watch some anime than post on MAL. You being angry of me labelling other people and not you… Confused_100 said: Great this wasn't the discussion...funny how that is how you end off. This was way more overblown, because you keep going off on things I never said. It literally was just the industry would still exist without these works, and there were a lot of big hits in addition to those big battle shonen in the 2000s, that was it, that was the only claim lol. Btw there always will be ONE big three. Anyway, yeah I have nothing more to say, so good day. |
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@TheRailTracerMAL Bro, I really wanted to take you seriously but you are repeating the same nothing burger points we talked about a moment ago while changing what I said on purpose. I don’t like going in circles, and debating the same points with you.
It’s like dealing with a psychopath tourist who never understood anime history or what a desperate virgin is or what psychological horrors tokyo ghouls had or has a dictionary to find what niche means or even what jojo is (a tourist believes it copied from others lol). And repeating those points are like repeating circles that should have ended.
Add to that you started replying to people I am talking to and going to threads I am in to only harass me, so I don’t know what to tell you. Try and fix that or just don’t debate if you aren’t up to it.
Bro keeps insulting other than talking about main points…
It’s like dealing with a psychopath tourist who never understood anime history or what a desperate virgin is or what psychological horrors tokyo ghouls had or has a dictionary to find what niche means or even what jojo is (a tourist believes it copied from others lol). And repeating those points are like repeating circles that should have ended.
Add to that you started replying to people I am talking to and going to threads I am in to only harass me, so I don’t know what to tell you. Try and fix that or just don’t debate if you aren’t up to it.
Bro keeps insulting other than talking about main points…
| @Confused_100 weird way to say you lost, but sure, concession taken. You're all high on copium, but it's fine since it didn't save you from getting demolished in this exchange. All points refuted easily. Try harder next time, and maybe once you've seen more than 10 shows. also, not my fault you happen to be in every csm movie forum ever trying to troll people, it wasn't even hard to stumble upon you losing multiple arguments in multiple threads. Seems to be some unhealthy obsession. |
| "MY HERO ACADEMIA, JUJUTSU KAISEN, and DEMON SLAYER" what a sad big 3 lol, more like small 3 which had 0 impact on people, the big 3 literally impacted an entire generation of people, here in my country we have building walls with Dragon Ball and One Piece drawings on them like for example https://www.reddit.com/r/Graffiti/comments/5a66cj/dragon_ball_graffiti_in_portugal/ So yeah don't even compare those tiny anime series to the long decade running ones which entire countries were raised watching lol. |
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Idk why posts like this annoy me. Because there is only one big three. Bleach, Naruto and One piece. Not one anime did what these did, which is save the whole industry.
We can say these are like the sons of big three. But then I have a hard time putting them. Demon Slayer achieved similar feats, so I can’t deny that. JJK, welll let’s say the final arc won’t make it memorable and well you will see what I mean. My hero drew people into anime, specifically hero fans, and did some feats.
You can decide sons of big three but calling them big three just never sits right with anyone tbh.
We can say these are like the sons of big three. But then I have a hard time putting them. Demon Slayer achieved similar feats, so I can’t deny that. JJK, welll let’s say the final arc won’t make it memorable and well you will see what I mean. My hero drew people into anime, specifically hero fans, and did some feats.
You can decide sons of big three but calling them big three just never sits right with anyone tbh.
| @Confused_100 Confused_100 said: I feel that. It's just not the same anymore. It will never be the same.You can decide sons of big three but calling them big three just never sits right with anyone tbh. Before streaming services got popular, anime would be aired on TV at specific time each day. Very few channels did it though, so there weren't many options if you didn't/couldn't buy it on discs. If someone was watching anime, it was likely that they were watching same stuff as you. If something cool happened, you couldn't escape hearing about it. Having hundreds of episodes worked in big 3's favor too--they were very easy to get invested in. You like a specific side character? Don't worry, the series is long enough that they'll show up at least 6 more times. Out of all the newer anime, I think only MHA has really reached a wide subset of normies. |
 I'm watching anime since 2012. I also play games, sometimes. Don't bother me if you want to 'become friends' or things like that. It's tiresome. I know you just want to collect some meaningless numbers. Thought: How many people sparked H. Charlotta just for blue pot? |
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"MY HERO ACADEMIA, JUJUTSU KAISEN, and DEMON SLAYER" what a sad big 3 lol, more like small 3 which had 0 impact on people, the big 3 literally impacted an entire generation of people, here in my country we have building walls with Dragon Ball and One Piece drawings on them
like for example https://www.reddit.com/r/Graffiti/comments/5a66cj/dragon_ball_graffiti_in_portugal/
So yeah don't even compare those tiny anime series to the long decade running ones which entire countries were raised watching lol.
like for example https://www.reddit.com/r/Graffiti/comments/5a66cj/dragon_ball_graffiti_in_portugal/
So yeah don't even compare those tiny anime series to the long decade running ones which entire countries were raised watching lol.
| @MadLane well Dragon ball isn't in big 3 XD |
| The big 3 will always be Naruto, Bleach and One Piece by definition, its not possible for other series to take that title because of the period and conditions that those big series were created in which made them so famous, it allowed them to become large and have big impact on culture, and attack on titan too in some form, no other series after them achieved anything like that, only dragon ball did which came before them and was bigger, afterwards hero academia, jujutsu kaisen and demon slayer were also big but not as big as them because the market did not allow for as long and impactful manga anymore, and they all ended as well, nowadays its virtually impossible for a series to get as big because manga are a lot more short-term compared to the past which where longer and had more room to grow their layout and such one piece is pretty much holding the industry in its shoulders as its the last big one left, which is why shueisha is overdragging it as much as possible, because once it goes away the whole market becomes much more obscure with smaller series |
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